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1. 08:13 AM - Re: CG window on a Model 2 (Marco Menezes)
2. 10:46 AM - Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (kitfoxmike)
3. 12:52 PM - Re: CG window on a Model 2 (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
4. 01:24 PM - Re: Fuel Plumbing ? (nick4853)
5. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (Lowell Fitt)
6. 03:10 PM - Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (kitfoxmike)
7. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (Lynn Matteson)
8. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (Sbennett3@aol.com)
9. 04:18 PM - Re: online builders log (kirk hull)
10. 04:35 PM - 912 UL runing on 3 cylinders (eric)
11. 06:21 PM - Re: 912 UL runing on 3 cylinders (fox5flyer)
12. 06:27 PM - Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (kitfoxmike)
13. 06:31 PM - Re: 912 UL runing on 3 cylinders (kitfoxmike)
14. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (Lynn Matteson)
15. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (Sbennett3@AOL.COM)
16. 08:48 PM - Re: online builders log (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | Re: CG window on a Model 2 |
10.20" - 14.28" aft of datum (wing leading edge).
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Sat, 7/5/08, ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com> wrote:
From: ElleryWeld@aol.com <ElleryWeld@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CG window on a Model 2
Does anyone on this list know for sure where the CG window is on a Kitfox M
odel 2 ?
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Thanks in advance
Ellery in MAINE
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
Tail dragger's are tough. But I have to say the worse part of the dragger is the
vis. over the right side while taxi. This is a Bxxxx, and sure you can swerve
left to right, but when you are on a skinny taxi way, that's not doable at
all. Must be why I chose to do an RV7A. I want to see on the ground. Wouldn't
give up the Fox for anything else though. Guess I'll be keeping my little
sweetheart. But when it comes to getting somewhere fast, that RV's going to
be sweet.
Getting to the subject. I find the grass easier to land on, to a point. The point
being that sure you don't get the grabby landings like the asphalt but those
bumps, oh Cxxx, they can sure knock you around, I find I need to dance on
the rudder pedals more landing on the sod with bumps than I ever need to on the
asphalt. I mix my landings up about 50/50. So far this year I've done about
2000 landings on the sod, likewise on the asphalt. Both are nonevents for me.
Even on landings of gust to 20 variable. That's 2000 landings no mistake.
I love t&g's. That's where the fun of flying is. I generally put 6000 landings
on my tires, so I put a set on each year. I find the worse situation is brand
new tires, Oh man! talk about grabby tires, you better be on the rudder for
those. I find that doing wheel landings on the Sod will cure those babies
the best. Get some of that dirt in the rubber.
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| Subject: | Re: CG window on a Model 2 |
Thanks Jim & Marco these lists are a wonderfull thing when You need an
answer
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 7/6/2008 12:18:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jcorner@shaw.ca writes:
On 5-Jul-08, at 9:02 PM, _ElleryWeld@aol.com_ (mailto:ElleryWeld@aol.com)
wrote:
Does anyone on this list know for sure where the CG window is on a Kitfox
Model 2 ?
Thanks in advance
Ellery in MAINE
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CG range on the Model 2 is 10.2" to 14.3" aft of the wing LE datum
Jim Corner
Model 2, 582,. Ivo med !FA, 1100 hrs
Model 5 under construction
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Plumbing ? |
I tend to agree with what Lowell stated. On mine it's 5/16 all the way to the
engine driven fuel pump. 1/4" on the pressure/carb side.
Nick W.
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Rotax 912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
Let's see if I got this right. 2000 landings on sod, and the same number on
asphalt. That sounds like over 20 landings per day each and every day. I
don't think I ever made more than five or six landings in a day and those
days were during the annual Idaho back country gig. I always liked to think
that about one landing per hour of flight time was about right. Guess to
each his own.
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Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass
>
> Tail dragger's are tough. But I have to say the worse part of the dragger
> is the vis. over the right side while taxi. This is a Bxxxx, and sure you
> can swerve left to right, but when you are on a skinny taxi way, that's
> not doable at all. Must be why I chose to do an RV7A. I want to see on
> the ground. Wouldn't give up the Fox for anything else though. Guess
> I'll be keeping my little sweetheart. But when it comes to getting
> somewhere fast, that RV's going to be sweet.
>
> Getting to the subject. I find the grass easier to land on, to a point.
> The point being that sure you don't get the grabby landings like the
> asphalt but those bumps, oh Cxxx, they can sure knock you around, I find I
> need to dance on the rudder pedals more landing on the sod with bumps than
> I ever need to on the asphalt. I mix my landings up about 50/50. So far
> this year I've done about 2000 landings on the sod, likewise on the
> asphalt. Both are nonevents for me. Even on landings of gust to 20
> variable. That's 2000 landings no mistake. I love t&g's. That's where
> the fun of flying is. I generally put 6000 landings on my tires, so I put
> a set on each year. I find the worse situation is brand new tires, Oh
> man! talk about grabby tires, you better be on the rudder for those. I
> find that doing wheel landings on the Sod will cure those babies the best.
> Get some of that dirt in the rubber.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191463#191463
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
Yup,
I fly every day. Last year I had 420 flights. Many times I just stay in the pattern,
I can do a t&g every minute, sometimes less than that. I'll run over
to the international (class c airspace) which is my favorite hang out and do most
of my work. It's amazing how the controllers get when I call for inbound.
AFter all they get some good counts for me, so they accommodate me as much as
they can. Most the time I'm over there when the traffic is high, usually an
airplane every 4 miles stacked up, I'll be running in between the traffic, very
fun. I know the controllers over there very well and am told that I'm the only
one they will let fly the way I do, very short , close and inside. The reason
is, they can trust me to hold the line right to the fars.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
Yeah, that's roughly the same number I came up with, Lowell...sounds
like another candidate for "I never leave the pattern"... : )
Took me a year and a half to get my 1000th landing, 'cause I like to
fly once I'm up there....like you said, Lowell...to each his own, I
guess.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/545 hrs
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On Jul 6, 2008, at 5:36 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Let's see if I got this right. 2000 landings on sod, and the same
> number on asphalt. That sounds like over 20 landings per day each
> and every day. I don't think I ever made more than five or six
> landings in a day and those days were during the annual Idaho back
> country gig. I always liked to think that about one landing per
> hour of flight time was about right. Guess to each his own.
>
> do not archive
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "kitfoxmike"
> <customtrans@qwest.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:43 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass
>
>
>> <customtrans@qwest.net>
>>
>> Tail dragger's are tough. But I have to say the worse part of the
>> dragger is the vis. over the right side while taxi. This is a
>> Bxxxx, and sure you can swerve left to right, but when you are on
>> a skinny taxi way, that's not doable at all. Must be why I chose
>> to do an RV7A. I want to see on the ground. Wouldn't give up the
>> Fox for anything else though. Guess I'll be keeping my little
>> sweetheart. But when it comes to getting somewhere fast, that
>> RV's going to be sweet.
>>
>> Getting to the subject. I find the grass easier to land on, to a
>> point. The point being that sure you don't get the grabby landings
>> like the asphalt but those bumps, oh Cxxx, they can sure knock you
>> around, I find I need to dance on the rudder pedals more landing
>> on the sod with bumps than I ever need to on the asphalt. I mix my
>> landings up about 50/50. So far this year I've done about 2000
>> landings on the sod, likewise on the asphalt. Both are nonevents
>> for me. Even on landings of gust to 20 variable. That's 2000
>> landings no mistake. I love t&g's. That's where the fun of
>> flying is. I generally put 6000 landings on my tires, so I put a
>> set on each year. I find the worse situation is brand new tires,
>> Oh man! talk about grabby tires, you better be on the rudder for
>> those. I find that doing wheel landings on the Sod will cure
>> those babies the best. Get some of that dirt in the rubber.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191463#191463
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
Last weekend I had 3 take offs and 3 landings. It only took 8.5 hours on my
first flight. Then 3 take offs and 3 landings in 7 hours on the way home. I
went to see mom and pop at Venice Fla from Raliegh NC. Good trip, lots of
swampy marshland in Georgia. My little plane with 2 on board and 900 hrs on my
912 never missed a lick... Oh ya, only my first take off and last landing were
on turf. My home airport is turf. GPS said 666 miles there, and 673 miles
home. Have a great week guys. Steve Bennett Durham NC classic 4 912
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| Subject: | online builders log |
There are a few of my classic4 at
http://roosterville612.org/sitepages/memberprojects%20menu/webfiles/kitfox/K
itFox%20page.htm
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy
Chuk
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: online builders log
Hi all, I've been searching on the web for pictures someone has uploaded of
their Kitfox build. It seems like some bits of my manual are missing,
things like instrument panel, installing fiberglass cover over instrument
panel, to mention just a few things I can't find. Even with the proper
pages in the manual, sometimes a picture or two of how someone else did it
is a big help. Does anyone have pictures of their build online? I'm
building a Kitfox 4 Classic, but a lot of things are simalar one model to
another. Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
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| Subject: | 912 UL runing on 3 cylinders |
Hi folks,
had a new problem show up about a week ago. Before I start the engine I
crank it with the mags off and choke on for 2-3 seconds then turn the
mags on and it fires right up.
This time when I cranked it I noticed it didn't sound right, when I
turned the mags on and started it, it ran very rough. Before shutting it
down did a mag check and both sides were working. Checked the exhaust
pipes and one was cold. pulled the cover off the cold cylinder to check
the valve train- everything looked good. Removed lower plugs on all
cylinders and did a compression test- all cylinders were same. So I put
everything together and tried running it again-ran just fine.
This same scenario has repeated several consecutive days. Its getting to
a point where I can predict when its going to run on 3 cylinders by
turning the prop by hand. There is a point where there should be a
compression stroke but its not there, prop spins free past it. Everyday
I have been able to get it to run ok by either alternately cranking it
with a starter and by hand or doing a compression test. After a good
start I go flying and it performs flawlessly. Right after shut down it
restarts fine, but next day I can almost guaranty that it will do it all
over again.
Any ideas?
Eric Speedster N58EW
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| Subject: | Re: 912 UL runing on 3 cylinders |
Sticking valve, rocker?
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: eric
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 UL runing on 3 cylinders
Hi folks,
had a new problem show up about a week ago. Before I start the engine
I crank it with the mags off and choke on for 2-3 seconds then turn the
mags on and it fires right up.
This time when I cranked it I noticed it didn't sound right, when I
turned the mags on and started it, it ran very rough. Before shutting it
down did a mag check and both sides were working. Checked the exhaust
pipes and one was cold. pulled the cover off the cold cylinder to check
the valve train- everything looked good. Removed lower plugs on all
cylinders and did a compression test- all cylinders were same. So I put
everything together and tried running it again-ran just fine.
This same scenario has repeated several consecutive days. Its getting
to a point where I can predict when its going to run on 3 cylinders by
turning the prop by hand. There is a point where there should be a
compression stroke but its not there, prop spins free past it. Everyday
I have been able to get it to run ok by either alternately cranking it
with a starter and by hand or doing a compression test. After a good
start I go flying and it performs flawlessly. Right after shut down it
restarts fine, but next day I can almost guaranty that it will do it all
over again.
Any ideas?
Eric Speedster N58EW
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
Say what you want,
I fly away from the pattern all the time. I went to Arlington last year, the kitfox
flyin, down to richland, to aurora oregon. Just to name a few. When I
fly long distances I hit every runway along the way, I think it's cool to try
out new patterns. When I went to arlington I went into wenatchee for breakfast
then on to arlington. On the way home i went into cle elum, now that airport
was like a ghost town with winds in the 30's mph. I had to dodge holes in the
asphalt on role out. Don't you dare call me a pattern boy, no way. But when
the weather is bad and most of you stay on the couch and watch tv, well I'm
up there in the pattern, why because there is a big hole and the only open spot
is right over the airport. I spend 30 minutes in pattern and do 30 touch and
go's big deal, the rest of the flight I'm running through the mountain and
a few trees at about 20ft off. I'm putting an RV together because I'm a working
boy and can't spend a week going down to california. I only have a weekend.
since you like to make fun, here's mine. I think you boys that fly a high number
of hours and low amount of landings are afraid to land. I think you pray before
each landing. How's that.
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| Subject: | Re: 912 UL runing on 3 cylinders |
carbon buildup. try marvel mystery oil in the fuel. What you really need to do
is decarbon the engine. And yes, mine has done this. Not in the last 2 years
tho.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
In the spirit of not allowing this list to become a pissing contest,
I'll simply state that if I was afraid to land I'd be smart enough to
not take off in the first place. To defend my personal position of
"going places" ...that is, outside of the pattern, I fly long hours
to get to another....NEW....place to land. I fly distances because
I've run out of local grass, AND paved runways at which to land,
always seeking a new environment, a new challenge.
I wouldn't dare call you a pattern boy, or a spelling champion for
that matter...(just havin' some fun) : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/545 hrs
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On Jul 6, 2008, at 9:24 PM, kitfoxmike wrote:
> <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
> Say what you want,
> I fly away from the pattern all the time. I went to Arlington last
> year, the kitfox flyin, down to richland, to aurora oregon. Just
> to name a few. When I fly long distances I hit every runway along
> the way, I think it's cool to try out new patterns. When I went to
> arlington I went into wenatchee for breakfast then on to
> arlington. On the way home i went into cle elum, now that airport
> was like a ghost town with winds in the 30's mph. I had to dodge
> holes in the asphalt on role out. Don't you dare call me a pattern
> boy, no way. But when the weather is bad and most of you stay on
> the couch and watch tv, well I'm up there in the pattern, why
> because there is a big hole and the only open spot is right over
> the airport. I spend 30 minutes in pattern and do 30 touch and
> go's big deal, the rest of the flight I'm running through the
> mountain and a few trees at about 20ft off. I'm putting an RV
> together because I'm a working boy and can't spend a week going
> down to californ!
> ia. I only have a weekend.
>
> since you like to make fun, here's mine. I think you boys that fly
> a high number of hours and low amount of landings are afraid to
> land. I think you pray before each landing. How's that.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191511#191511
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
Custom trans, I dont know your name as you dont sign your posts. I never
made fun, just pointed out that I travel. I'm not a high hours pilot either. I
have 190 hrs on my fox. I'm glad you're enjoying yours. I'm envious about your
rv build. Good luck in your future and fly like you like not how others
want. Steve Bennett
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| Subject: | online builders log |
Thank you Kirk for the pictures! Jim Chuk
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From: kirkhull@kc.rr.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-Li
st: online builders logDate: Sun=2C 6 Jul 2008 18:15:57 -0500
There are a few of my classic4 at http://roosterville612.org/sitepages/me
mberprojects%20menu/webfiles/kitfox/KitFox%20page.htm
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy ChukSent: Saturday=2C July 05
=2C 2008 10:03 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: online
builders log
Hi all=2C I've been searching on the web for pictures someone has uploaded
of their Kitfox build. It seems like some bits of my manual are missing
=2C things like instrument panel=2C installing fiberglass cover over instru
ment panel=2C to mention just a few things I can't find. Even with the pro
per pages in the manual=2C sometimes a picture or two of how someone else d
id it is a big help. Does anyone have pictures of their build online? I'm
building a Kitfox 4 Classic=2C but a lot of things are simalar one model to
another. Thanks=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn
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