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1. 02:32 AM - Re: Tail wheel spring set up (dave)
2. 02:49 AM - Re: Kitfox-II - Radiator Bracket Separation (dave)
3. 04:46 AM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle (Ryan Wheeler)
4. 05:54 AM - tailwheel leaf spring (bob noffs)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (nick4853)
6. 06:23 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Michel Verheughe)
7. 06:23 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (RAY Gignac)
8. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Hydraulic Lock (Bob Brennan)
9. 07:01 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (bob noffs)
10. 07:08 AM - Re: BRS and 2 strokes (JetPilot)
11. 07:13 AM - Re: Tail wheel spring set up (Marco Menezes)
12. 07:20 AM - How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (JetPilot)
13. 07:24 AM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle (Marco Menezes)
14. 07:38 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Marco Menezes)
15. 08:01 AM - Re: Luggage/Cargo Bag FOR SALE (FlyboyTR)
16. 08:07 AM - Baggage area pictures and info (Chris Budd)
17. 08:21 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (paul wilson)
18. 08:45 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (Don McIntosh)
19. 09:19 AM - Re: Baggage area pictures and info (Dan Billingsley)
20. 09:28 AM - Re: online builders log ()
21. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan)
22. 10:08 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Lowell Fitt)
23. 10:09 AM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Michel Verheughe)
24. 10:18 AM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Guy Buchanan)
25. 10:18 AM - Re: Baggage area pictures and info (Guy Buchanan)
26. 10:18 AM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle (Guy Buchanan)
27. 10:33 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (fox5flyer)
28. 10:47 AM - Re: Baggage area pictures and info (Patrick Best)
29. 10:56 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys)
30. 12:36 PM - Re: BRS and 2 strokes (Michel Verheughe)
31. 12:40 PM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Lynn Matteson)
32. 12:42 PM - FW: sale of my kitfox (Ray McKInley)
33. 12:48 PM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Lynn Matteson)
34. 12:48 PM - tail wheel leaf spring. (bob noffs)
35. 12:55 PM - Re: Baggage area pictures and info (Dan Billingsley)
36. 01:04 PM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Lynn Matteson)
37. 01:07 PM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Lowell Fitt)
38. 01:11 PM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Jodi Munday)
39. 01:36 PM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Lynn Matteson)
40. 01:53 PM - Re: tail wheel leaf spring. (fox5flyer)
41. 02:09 PM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Michel Verheughe)
42. 02:13 PM - Re: tail wheel leaf spring. (bob noffs)
43. 02:25 PM - Tail Wheel set Up (steve shinabery)
44. 02:47 PM - Re: Tail Wheel set Up (steve shinabery)
45. 03:06 PM - Re: Temporary strut fairing (Tom Jones)
46. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Lynn Matteson)
47. 03:51 PM - IVO Prop (PMorel)
48. 04:04 PM - Re: IVO Prop (Clint Bazzill)
49. 04:08 PM - Re: IVO Prop (kirk hull)
50. 04:10 PM - Tail wheel spring (Clint Bazzill)
51. 04:21 PM - Re: IVO Prop (Clint Bazzill)
52. 04:23 PM - Re: Tail Wheel set Up (Lynn Matteson)
53. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Temporary strut fairing (Lynn Matteson)
54. 04:40 PM - Re: Temporary strut fairing (Tom Jones)
55. 04:52 PM - Re: IVO Prop (SOURDOSTAN@aol.com)
56. 05:06 PM - Subaru Engine (Frank Miles)
57. 07:10 PM - Re: IVO Prop (Paul Morel)
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel spring set up |
Steve, Sounds like you have a negative castor angle like the other guys have mentioned.
Can you post a picture? Remind me later today and I will get a photo
of tailwheel on my IV. Better hurry -- floats going on this week I hope.
:)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-II - Radiator Bracket Separation |
Joe,
If you are not able to do your self just remove and take to rad shop and get it
soldered.
Could get it cleaned and pressure tested as well.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line |
install - Rotax 2 cycle
If this was originally for a HACman system, would it be wise to look into g
etting one of those systems?- The regular vent lines seem pretty basic, a
re they just something that you field fabricate?- If so, does anybody kno
w the dimensions; length, hole pattern/diameters, etc?=0A-=0ARyan
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| Subject: | tailwheel leaf spring |
hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a
question as i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota
hawk]............. i read of a ''one tail spring'' installation failure
and and a and p suggested replacing the one spring installation ''just
before it breaks!'' so one spring sounds risky. i found a ''spring
place;; in colorado that will supply untreated material to be formed,
then heat treat it for me to leaf spring specs. sooooooooo my question
is ''what is the opinion of safety and single spring installations?''
bob noffs
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Lock |
Hi Bob here is a pic of my trailer. This is a Skystar trailer the original builder
put together. I'm currently working on a air ride suspension for the tail.
It seems that the tail feels every jolt as I'm towing with 3/4 ton truck.
If I was towing with a softer suspension like a car I don't think it will be
that bad. I noticed your in Wrightsville I'm about a half hour south of Red Lion
Just over the MD line. Your welcome to come down and get a closer look.
What Field will you be flying from?
Nick W.
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| Subject: | tailwheel leaf spring |
> From: bob noffs [icubob@newnorth.net]
> sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and single spring
> installations?''
Well Bob, I am not metalurgist and know virtually nothing about the matter. But
I noticed that my single leaf broke exactly in the middle, where the bend is
greatest. If you can get someone to make a single leaf spring where that part
is stronger/thicker/wider or whatever it takes to take the load, it may be good
enough. It's like a mast or a tree; the higher it is, the less load it takes
and the thinner it can be.
Just a thought.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | tailwheel leaf spring |
The problem you could have with a single leaf spring break is the rudder hi
ting the ground and being damaged! your best bet would be a 3 leaf spring!
this is what I put on my Kitfox because of this problem! Go 3 leaf for pea
ce of mind.
Ray
From: icubob@newnorth.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List:
tailwheel leaf springDate: Tue=2C 8 Jul 2008 07:51:07 -0500
hi all=2C with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a question
as i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota hawk]............. i
read of a ''one tail spring'' installation failure and and a and p suggeste
d replacing the one spring installation ''just before it breaks!'' so one s
pring sounds risky. i found a ''spring place=3B=3B in colorado that will su
pply untreated material to be formed=2C then heat treat it for me to leaf s
pring specs. sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and
single spring installations?''
bob noffs
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Lock |
That is a very neat trailer Nick, perfect for towing a Kitfox any distance.
I'll be sticking with my car-trailer; which is overkill but I have it, it's
registered and paid for, and I have many other uses for it. I was just
curious what other Kitfoxers were using, since a big attraction of the
Kitfox is the folding wings and *no* hanger fees.
I have a small farm in Wrightsville with a shed (enough room for several
boats and an airplane, not most people's concept of a "shed"!) where I store
my Kitfox. I plan to fly out of McGinness Airport(8N7) which is just across
the river in Columbia. George McGinness is 94 now and a great guy, he keeps
the airport open and ready but he says it's been 4 months since anybody has
been there. So if any of you local Kitfoxers get the chance - he'd love the
business! And it might just save yet another great old grass strip from
going to developers...
I was curious if anyone out there tows their Kitfox on its own wheels using
the towbar? I know the manual says "never more than 10 miles" and the tires
say "not for highway use" and the local DOT has *no* idea how to legally tow
an airplane as a "trailer"... it still seems to be a neat alternative
especially since McGinness is only 5 miles from me.
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
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Sent: 08 July 2008 9:17 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hydraulic Lock
Hi Bob here is a pic of my trailer. This is a Skystar trailer the original
builder put together. I'm currently working on a air ride suspension for
the tail. It seems that the tail feels every jolt as I'm towing with 3/4
ton truck. If I was towing with a softer suspension like a car I don't
think it will be that bad. I noticed your in Wrightsville I'm about a half
hour south of Red Lion Just over the MD line. Your welcome to come down and
get a closer look. What Field will you be flying from?
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel leaf spring |
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From: RAY Gignac
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring
The problem you could have with a single leaf spring break is the
rudder hiting the ground and being damaged! your best bet would be a 3
leaf spring! this is what I put on my Kitfox because of this problem! Go
3 leaf for peace of mind.
Ray
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To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:51:07 -0500
my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and single spring
installations?''
bob noffs
ray, what is the thickness of each leaf spring in your 3 spring set
up?what i have been seeing is 2 3/16'' -1/4'' for each spring in a 2
spring set up. bob noffs
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| Subject: | Re: BRS and 2 strokes |
[quote="Michel"]
Likewise, I feel that a BRS is somewhat of a danger since once deployed, you're
not anymore the pilot but a passenger. When would you use it, anyway? If a surface
departed the aircraft? Some years ago, a pilot from my airfield flew a Jora
microlight aircraft and the left wing departed. The aircraft had a BRS but
the pilot never managed to deploy it as it went into a mad spin.
quote]
NOTHING works all the time... There are plenty of cases where seatbelts in cars
do not save the driver, but I still use my seatbelt, because it gives me a much
better chance of surviving. I have seatbelts and a BRS in my plane because
it gives me a better chance....
I would not consider my BRS for an engine out situation unless I am over steep
mountains, or very unusual circumstances, I have to agree with Michael on this
one.
In the cae of a wing failure, control failure, or any other of a million things
that can go wrong, I would already just be a passenger at that point. I would
rather be a passenger in a plane beneath a chute than a passenger in a plane
plummeting towards the ground at an incredible rate of speed !
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel spring set up |
Some will say I'm nuts but if your original 1 leaf spring is intact (no cra
cks), why not put it back on and keep flying until you get the problem with
3-leafer sorted out? So long as you inspect it carefully at every prefligh
t and unload the tailwheel when trailering-or storing with wings folded,
you'll get hundreds of hours of safe service out of that-1-leafer.-
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Just one aviator's thought to keep you in the air Steve.
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Marco Menezes N99KX-
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, steve shinabery <shinco@bright.net> wrote:
From: steve shinabery <shinco@bright.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel spring set up
Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> At 02:14 AM 7/7/2008, you wrote:
>> Could this be the wrong set of leaf springs??does the KF2
>> different ,or does all KF springs fit all KFs??may be I have the
>> wrong KF springs??I can not fly this way... :-( What can I do??
>
> If the angle is the only thing different, (meaning you swapped the
> entire tailwheel assembly from one to the other,) that has to be the
> reason. The pivot should be nearly vertical, with the top slightly
> behind the bottom so the wheel doesn't shimmy. I'm guessing yours
has
> the top WAY behind the bottom, so the wheel wants to flop sideways.
> That would be bad. If your pivot angle looks wrong, have a spring shop
> bend it for you to the right angle.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
> 100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar
>
>
> 270.4.6/1538 - Release Date: 7/7/2008 7:40 AM
>
>
Thanks Guy,,every one has helped me..and these are all good ideas..today
I am sending pictures of springs to Kitfox ..what I have..and what needs
to be done.. :-( but grounded 4 now in Ohio.I can not keep doing loops
all down the way.of the run way.trying to get off the ground..all so
looks kind of stupid.. :-P But with all of the kitfox family and
John+Deb at kitfox.hope to have her back in the air again..soon....STEVE
SHINABERY N554KF KF2 582..
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| Subject: | How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you comfortable flying your
Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind, just wind in general before it gets
to turbulent and uncontrollable to enjoy flying ?
I currently fly a plane that does not handle high winds as well as I would like,
and am considering a Super Sport with tricycle gear. I would like to get some
idea of how much weather conditions the Kitfox will handle. I owned a Cessna
150 before, and was very happy with the way it would handle winds and turbulence...
Does the Kitfox handle winds and weather as well as small Cessnas ?
Thanks,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line |
install - Rotax 2 cycle
Ryan,
-
You could just replace the original vents with expensive Rotax parts or mak
e your own from some of that skinny tubing that's currently hanging there.
The HACman system is a great mod, in my opinion. It's cheap,-easy to inst
all and-allows you to control mixture in-flight, adjust-EGT's-to more
optimal levels at any power setting. Might require some machining on one o
f your carbs.
-
Check it out at www.greenskyadventures.com
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
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From: Ryan Wheeler <rawheels@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent l
ine install - Rotax 2 cycle
If this was originally for a HACman system, would it be wise to look into g
etting one of those systems?- The regular vent lines seem pretty basic, a
re they just something that you field fabricate?- If so, does anybody kno
w the dimensions; length, hole pattern/diameters, etc?
-
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel leaf spring |
Bob, As I suggested to-Ryan there are alot of safe operational hours-in
the one leaf if you watch it and treat it right. Eventually tho, I'd want
to replace it with at least a 2-leafer. Trick is knowing when. If it breaks
while in service,-there will be damage. Ask Michel and others.
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Tue, 7/8/08, bob noffs <icubob@newnorth.net> wrote:
From: bob noffs <icubob@newnorth.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring
hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a question a
s i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota hawk]............. i re
ad of a ''one tail spring'' installation failure and and a and p suggested
replacing the one spring installation ''just before it breaks!'' so one spr
ing sounds risky. i found a ''spring place;; in colorado that will supply u
ntreated material to be formed, then heat treat it for me to leaf spring sp
ecs. sooooooooo- my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and singl
e spring installations?''
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| Subject: | Re: Luggage/Cargo Bag FOR SALE |
Bob,
I got the email you sent me, but all the return emails with pictures, etc have
been rejected. That address is tied back to the Matronic's list. Please PM or
email me again and "type" your email address. Thanks.
Travis
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Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
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| Subject: | Baggage area pictures and info |
Hi everyone,
I wanted to know if anyone out there has a modified/larger baggage area in their
Kitfox IV. If so, can you please send detailed pictures of the baggage area
to the list or directly to me. In addition to detailed pictures can you shed any
light on your experiences with any differences in W&B and the effects of the
larger baggage area has had on the aircraft when it has been loaded up. For
example, can you take two people some fuel and load the baggage area up and still
be within CG.
My plan is to enlarge the baggage area on my Kitfox IV Speedster. However, my
aircraft in already built and covered so I will not have the luxury of doing the
work with the covering not installed. I plan on removing the seats to gain
access and go from there. I plan to use aluminum angle material for the structure
and aluminum sheet for the flooring and side walls. I might also use custom
made nylon cargo netting for the sides if it is lighter and maybe light thin
plywood for the floor. What ever is lighter and strong enough I will use.
If anyone can help with input, pictures and experiences it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Christopher Budd
2000 Kitfox IV Speedster
Great Plains VW 2180 230hrs
buddcr@yahoo.com
(314) 807-9011
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| Subject: | tailwheel leaf spring |
I have lots of experience with leaf springs in trucks that are
modified for long travel. Conclusion is that leafs work great if the
deflections are small due to less flex, like the stock cars and
trucks. But, the more the spring flexes the sooner fatigue results in
breakage and/or sag. The solution is to reduce the flex which results
in a very stiff ride. Thus the need for a softer tire to help the situation.
For the Kitfox multiple springs for much less deflection (=stiff) and
the Homebuilder soft tire or an inflatable tire are good ways to go.
Regards, Paul
==========
At 07:20 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
> > From: bob noffs [icubob@newnorth.net]
> > sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and
> single spring
> > installations?''
>
>Well Bob, I am not metalurgist and know virtually nothing about the
>matter. But I noticed that my single leaf broke exactly in the
>middle, where the bend is greatest. If you can get someone to make a
>single leaf spring where that part is stronger/thicker/wider or
>whatever it takes to take the load, it may be good enough. It's like
>a mast or a tree; the higher it is, the less load it takes and the
>thinner it can be.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel Verheughe
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft markings |
Bob,
I would talk to Dan at Spencer Aircraft for PolyFiber products 800-424-1160. He is really good with the stuff and a real person to talk to. The PolyFiber factory at www.polyfiber.com will custom match colors for you but it is my understanding it costs $200 which includes the formula and the first gallon of paint. Then if you need more go to Spencer.
--------
Don McIntosh
Kitfox Series 7 under construction
Jabiru 3300
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage area pictures and info |
Chris, Here is a link to my website http://www.azshowersolutions.com/Baggage1.html. Hope these help.
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV 912s, Tri N314DW
Chris Budd <buddcr@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I wanted to know if anyone out there has a modified/larger baggage area in their
Kitfox IV. If so, can you please send detailed pictures of the baggage area
to the list or directly to me. In addition to detailed pictures can you shed any
light on your experiences with any differences in W&B and the effects of the
larger baggage area has had on the aircraft when it has been loaded up. For
example, can you take two people some fuel and load the baggage area up and still
be within CG.
My plan is to enlarge the baggage area on my Kitfox IV Speedster. However, my
aircraft in already built and covered so I will not have the luxury of doing the
work with the covering not installed. I plan on removing the seats to gain
access and go from there. I plan to use aluminum angle material for the structure
and aluminum sheet for the flooring and side walls. I might also use custom
made nylon cargo netting for the sides if it is lighter and maybe light thin
plywood for the floor. What ever is lighter and strong enough I will use.
If anyone can help with input, pictures and experiences it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Christopher Budd
2000 Kitfox IV Speedster
Great Plains VW 2180 230hrs
buddcr@yahoo.com
(314) 807-9011
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| Subject: | Re: online builders log |
jim , I too was missing those pages and diagrams and got them from someone
here on line but don't remember who. They also sent pictures. You should be able
to find them in the archives Leon Morris/Classic 4/65%/ Flower Mound, TX---
Jim_and_Lucy Chuk <thesupe@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all, I've been searching on the web for pictures someone has uploaded of
their Kitfox build. It seems like some bits of my manual are missing, things
like instrument panel, installing fiberglass cover over instrument panel, to mention
just a few things I can't find. Even with the proper pages in the manual,
sometimes a picture or two of how someone else did it is a big help. Does
anyone have pictures of their build online? I'm building a Kitfox 4 Classic,
but a lot of things are simalar one model to another. Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids,
Kitfox 4 Mn
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft markings |
Thanks Don, I have ordered ($free) the PolyFiber color chart from
AircraftSpruce and hope to be able to get a good match from that and then
order the minimum paint required from them.
I'll keep this info in case that doesn't work out though.
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McIntosh
Sent: 08 July 2008 11:43 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings
<don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
Bob,
I would talk to Dan at Spencer Aircraft for PolyFiber products 800-424-1160.
He is really good with the stuff and a real person to talk to. The PolyFiber
factory at www.polyfiber.com will custom match colors for you but it is my
understanding it costs $200 which includes the formula and the first gallon
of paint. Then if you need more go to Spencer.
--------
Don McIntosh
Kitfox Series 7 under construction
Jabiru 3300
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191774#191774
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel leaf spring |
Bob,
Just a thought or two and maybe an opinion here. the original springs were
single leaf. My guess is that there are lots of guys still flying with the
single leaf. Yes they can brake, but I doubt they would suddenly break
without some visible evidence of eminent failure. I doubt that most give
that close a preflight and wonder if checking at annual would be sufficient
to prevent breakage.
The springs should be springs. I wonder for the lighter Kitfoxes if three
springs would be like putting a bar between the tail of the airplane and the
tail wheel giving no spring action at all. The question relating to spring
thickness in the different configurations is a good one. If the three
spring assembly is three 1/4" leafs and the two spring has two 1/4" leafs
and I just measured the spring on my 1992 project and it is 1/4", you can
imagine the ride you would get (or rather the ride the aft structure of the
airplane would get) with a 3/4 inch of spring steel out there (especially if
routinely landing on grass or gravel). Also keep in mind that the average
big Kitfox will "bottom" out empty, weight wise, in the 760 lb range and
grow to over 1000 lbs as a few have done. My first Model IV was 45 lbs at
the tailwheel. I don't think I need a spring that would handle a 100 lb
tailwheel weight. It also came with a single leaf, but I added another due
to conversations on the list just like this one. The second leaf (from the
factory) was a partial leaf similar to what you see on muliple leaf systems
on motor vehicles. Interestingly, I had a bit over 900 hours on the
airplane when I made the emergency landing that destroyed the airplane and
the only airframe components that survived without any damage at all were
the main gear "Hammerhead" and tailwheel assemblies - there was one flat
tire. Not being an engineer, I sometimes wonder about the multiple leafs
with bolt attachments at both ends. I can't imagine they are as flexible as
a system of partial leaf springs.
I recently talked to a friend that wants to buy an ultralight to get in and
out of a pretty remote 300 acres he owns near here north of Placerville. I
Can't remember the type, but he mentioned the lift strut attach point on his
model of choice has a history of failure after so many years or hours of
use. As a solution, they routinely replace the part every two years, as I
recall. He seemed quite comfortable with that plan as, it seems, is the
rest of the fleets pilots. It sort of scares the daylights out of me as a
lift strut failure is a big deal and might just be a life altering
experience where the failure of a tailwheel spring might ruin a day or two.
But that being said, I don't think I would want my airplane beat up on the
ground with too much spring back there. Right now with no empennage on the
airplane the single leaf is too much spring as the caster angle gives the
same result that Steve reports with his three spring set-up.
Here is the opinion part. If the only spring available for replacement is
the three spring unit. I am tempted to use them one at a time and then plan
on replacing them periodically. Or more likely cutting the springs to give
a system like I had, essentially giving a tapering effect to the structure.
How often do we see motor vehicles on the side of the road with broken leaf
springs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:51 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring
hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a question as
i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota hawk]............. i read
of a ''one tail spring'' installation failure and and a and p suggested
replacing the one spring installation ''just before it breaks!'' so one
spring sounds risky. i found a ''spring place;; in colorado that will supply
untreated material to be formed, then heat treat it for me to leaf spring
specs. sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and single
spring installations?''
bob noffs
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| Subject: | RE: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
> From: JetPilot [orcabonita@hotmail.com]
> How much wind are you comfortable flying your Kitfox In ???
With my model 3: Crosswind: Max 12 knots. With that wind, I can't keep the aircraft
from weathercocking when slowed down.
Otherwise ... I can't say that the wind influences much my flying, if it isn't
the annoying fact that a headwind slows down the journey.
Wind strenght is mostly a problem related to the terrain. Even a light breeze can
become dangerous in a Norwegian fjord if accross thef fjord. Sometimes it just
hit you from nowhere.
So, wind + terrain, is to be taken with caution. But wind alone ... I can't remember
it has bothered me over relatively flat country like when I follow the Swedish
coast. I once landed at Varberg, near the Swedish coast, and I needed two
guys to hold my wings before I could switch off the engine with the nose in
the wind. They came with heavy earth anchors that we attached in front of the
gears otherwise the plane would be airborne by itself ... nearly. The flying
that day wasn't bad.
>From the very little experience I have from other aircraft, I would say that in
turbulence; either thermic or mechanic, the Kitfox is more work because it easily
yaws from one side to the other. You can work the pedals or simply leave
it; the plane eventually returns with the ball in the center.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
At 07:18 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
>Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you comfortable
>flying your Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind, just wind in
>general before it gets to turbulent and uncontrollable to enjoy flying ?
Mike,
I'm assuming you're talking about take-off and landing. You
can handle any amount of stable wind at altitude, and turbulence is
just a preference, assuming you're following the "rules" and watching
your airspeed. As far as take-off and landing, I've been out in 25
gusting to 35, but you had to be really careful taxiing. The hardest
part was getting out of the aircraft to tie it down - it wanted to
run away! I've even heard of people launching in more than 35, but
they had handlers to hold the aircraft down prior to takeoff. The
Kitfox handles turbulence, even that near the ground, really well
because of its incredible control sensitivity. I fly it when I
wouldn't even consider flying a less controllable aircraft like a
172. Of course, like any slow plane, you have to be careful to add
lots of gust factor; you don't want to stall when the wind quits.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage area pictures and info |
At 08:02 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
>If anyone can help with input, pictures and experiences it would be
>greatly appreciated.
Chris,
Check the archives. I posted pictures and info on my hard
baggage system in my IV sometime this past year. If you can't find it
I'll look it up when I get home.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar
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| Subject: | Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line |
install - Rotax 2 cycle
At 04:42 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
>If this was originally for a HACman system, would it be wise to look
>into getting one of those systems? The regular vent lines seem
>pretty basic, are they just something that you field fabricate? If
>so, does anybody know the dimensions; length, hole pattern/diameters, etc?
Ryan,
I would look into the HACman
system.(http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/HACmandetails.htm) I
use it and love it. You could easily fabricate your own Rotax vent
lines. Just size a line that goes comfortably around the bottom of
the carb, from one side vent to the other, and melt/drill a 3/32"
hole in the bottom situated so any fluid in the line will drain out.
I'm quite sure the exact length is irrelevant, just that the vent is
near the carb.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel leaf spring |
Good points Lowell. Here's my opinion.
A simple solution for the lighter tail Foxes would be to buy the three leaf
unit and remove the center leaf and go with the main and helper leaves.
There is no way the two mains should be bolted front and back because they
need to move independently on hard landings. By using a main and helper it
would be simple to just cut and taper the helper to terminate a short
distance from the tailwheel bolt thereby giving it room to move
independently of the main. The heavier Foxes would probably be better with
all three leaves, but each should be able to move independently.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 377+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring
...snip
>
> Here is the opinion part. If the only spring available for replacement is
> the three spring unit. I am tempted to use them one at a time and then
> plan on replacing them periodically. Or more likely cutting the springs
> to give a system like I had, essentially giving a tapering effect to the
> structure. How often do we see motor vehicles on the side of the road with
> broken leaf springs.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:51 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring
>
>
> hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a question
> as i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota hawk]............. i
> read of a ''one tail spring'' installation failure and and a and p
> suggested replacing the one spring installation ''just before it breaks!''
> so one spring sounds risky. i found a ''spring place;; in colorado that
> will supply untreated material to be formed, then heat treat it for me to
> leaf spring specs. sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of
> safety and single spring installations?''
>
> bob noffs
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Baggage area pictures and info |
Aren't you worried about CoG with the guns so far aft?
________________________________
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Dan
Billingsley
Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Baggage area pictures and info
Chris, Here is a link to my website
http://www.azshowersolutions.com/Baggage1.html. Hope these help.
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV 912s, Tri N314DW
Chris Budd <buddcr@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I wanted to know if anyone out there has a modified/larger baggage area
in their Kitfox IV. If so, can you please send detailed pictures of the
baggage area to the list or directly to me. In addition to detailed
pictures can you shed any light on your experiences with any differences
in W&B
and the effects of the larger baggage area has had on the aircraft when
it has been loaded up. For example, can you take two people some fuel
and load the baggage area up and still be within CG.
My plan is to enlarge the baggage area on my Kitfox IV Speedster.
However, my aircraft in already built and covered so I will not have the
luxury of doing the work with the covering not installed. I plan on
removing the seats to gain access and go from there. I plan to use
aluminum angle
material for the structure and aluminum sheet for the flooring and side
walls. I might also use custom made nylon cargo netting for the sides if
it is lighter and maybe light thin plywood for the floor. What ever is
lighter and strong enough I will use.
If anyone can help with input, pictures and experiences it would be
greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Christopher Budd
2000 Kitfox IV Speedster
Great Plains VW 2180 230hrs
buddcr@yahoo.com
(314) 807-9011
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| Subject: | Aircraft markings |
Best of luck and when you get your bird back in the air let's have a look at
her.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
That's great info Noel, and I'm giving that logo below some serious
consideration.
The guy I bought the airplane from doesn't know details about the paint and
the original builder is uncontactable. However my Owner's Manual specifies
"Stits Poly-Tone or Aero-Thane" and AircraftSpruce offers both finishes in a
variety (unfortunately!) of yellows. I have ordered their free Poly-Fiber
Color Chart and hope to make a safe match with that.
Thanks again for your help, I probably wouldn't have found this info without
it. And wish me luck with first-time spraying!
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: 03 July 2008 11:06 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
You only need to know the brand of the finish on there now... If it is
PolyFibre then you can get the Polyfibre or Aerothane finish. If it is
Randolph then all you need is the butrate dope the same colour. Same thing
for Hi-Pec and most of the other finishes... The first thing to do is to
find out what is there now. The original owner or the guy you bought it
from may be able to help.
The Decals are opaque so they can be applied directly over the existing
finish without using any dope or paint. Heck you won't even need to sand
the finish to apply a decal. Check out the places that make graphics for
cars and or trucks.
I have used the decals to put registration markings on a couple of planes I
worked on. It is just too easy and the marks always go on straight and
square.
Noel
How about just tell the printers you need the white BTW that's close to
the original training colours.
050405-F-1234P-132.jpg
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:10 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings
That's the best suggestion yet Noel, and I see Aircraft Spruce has quite a
few at
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/flagplacards.php
I also found some actual Kitfox logo decals at
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Decals/Logos.html that look
interesting.
Where would I get yellow dope to match what's on the plane? And black (black
should be easy to match!)?
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | RE: BRS and 2 strokes |
> From: JetPilot [orcabonita@hotmail.com]
> I would rather be a passenger in a plane beneath a chute than a passenger in
> a plane plummeting towards the ground at an incredible rate of speed !
Very good point, Mike! I would rather too.
But my point was - like for the maritime liferaft - that I am not sure to trust
my reaction and being afraid to do what, at the moment, seems the easy way out
when flying the plane to the ground would perhaps be better.
I was not advocating the non use of the ballistic chute, merely saying why I have
second thought using them. Perhaps if you trust your judgement better than
I do mine ... It's a personal thing.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel leaf spring |
Why not just buy the 3-leaf spring from Kitfox and be done with it?
IF it will work with your model Kitfox, that is.
My original 2-leaf spring (I count all the leaves) broke and the
tailwheel flopped around, slightly damaging the rudder fabric (not
very bad as I haven't fixed it yet from 2 years ago). So I'd have to
say I have a VERY LOW opinion of a single leaf, or even a 2-leaf
installation. I count all the leaves, so the single to me is a single
leaf....a 2 leaf spring is a main leaf (1 leaf bolted on both ends),
and a helper/booster leaf bolted on just the fuselage end....and a 3-
leaf (2 main leaves bolted at both ends, and a helper/booster leaf
bolted on just the fuselage end.
If I'm using the wrong terminology, how about John McBean...who sells
the 3-leaf spring that I now use....jumping in here and setting us
all straight?
The main thing to think about when looking at your tailwheel spring
setup is, what happens if the one main leaf breaks? Do you have
another? Where does the tailwheel assembly go when the main spring
breaks? The chances of a 2-MAIN-leaf spring breaking both mains in
the same incident seems to be "not bloody likely."
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/545 hrs
On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:51 AM, bob noffs wrote:
> hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a
> question as i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota
> hawk]............. i read of a ''one tail spring'' installation
> failure and and a and p suggested replacing the one spring
> installation ''just before it breaks!'' so one spring sounds risky.
> i found a ''spring place;; in colorado that will supply untreated
> material to be formed, then heat treat it for me to leaf spring
> specs. sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety
> and single spring installations?''
>
> bob noffs
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| Subject: | FW: sale of my kitfox |
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From: Ray McKInley [mailto:raymck@q.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:33 PM
Subject: sale of my kitfox
Hi I have been a listener of this list for a long time about 4 years. It
has come time for me to sale my kitfox Lite Squared 2 (classic IV) it is a
582 with a GSC prop very low time on engine about 4 hours. I have a custom
built trailer that works very well. For pictures and price you can contact
me at raymck@q.com ..
Regards
Ray McKinley
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel leaf spring |
Good analogy, Michel....now add another mast right next to the
original, throw a rope around the two masts at the top, and you've
just built in a safety factor of 100%. : )
Yeah, I know.....you weight junkies will just have to eat another
less burger.
Oops, one important problem with your mast/tree analogy...there's
nothing hanging off the very top of the mast/tree. In the airplane
scenario, we've got our asses hanging (sort of) off the end of that
mast/tree.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/545 hrs
On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: bob noffs [icubob@newnorth.net]
>> sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and
>> single spring
>> installations?''
>
> Well Bob, I am not metalurgist and know virtually nothing about the
> matter. But I noticed that my single leaf broke exactly in the
> middle, where the bend is greatest. If you can get someone to make
> a single leaf spring where that part is stronger/thicker/wider or
> whatever it takes to take the load, it may be good enough. It's
> like a mast or a tree; the higher it is, the less load it takes and
> the thinner it can be.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | tail wheel leaf spring. |
hi lowell, thanks for the reply and good info.
right now my tailwheel is matco and 2 leaf springs. the springs are
attached with thru bolts at the fuselage end and at the wheel. my
thought would be to replace 2 leaf springs with 3 , each of 1/10''
thickness. this should be more flexible than 2 of each 1/4''. also, one
leaf must be firmly attached to the matco wheel but the other 2 could
have an elongated hole which would allow them so slide a bit against
each other, allowing more flex. maybe a paper thin matreial like delrin
between them.
i guess i am sold on 2 leaf redundancy but i would like to put more
flex in the spring setup. i dont know if the spring shop supplies any
other thickness than 1/4 and 1/10.
bob noffs
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| Subject: | Baggage area pictures and info |
having a shotgun down the center of the fuselage in a model IV with a 912s stuck
on the front has been tested. I get that question alot though.
Dan
Patrick Best <Patrick.Best@telus.com> wrote:
Aren't you worried about CoG with the guns so far aft?
________________________________
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Dan Billingsley
Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Baggage area pictures and info
Chris, Here is a link to my website http://www.azshowersolutions.com/Baggage1.html. Hope these help.
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV 912s, Tri N314DW
Chris Budd wrote:
Hi everyone,
I wanted to know if anyone out there has a modified/larger baggage area in their
Kitfox IV. If so, can you please send detailed pictures of the baggage area
to the list or directly to me. In addition to detailed pictures can you shed any
light on your experiences with any differences in W&B
and the effects of the larger baggage area has had on the aircraft when it has
been loaded up. For example, can you take two people some fuel and load the baggage
area up and still be within CG.
My plan is to enlarge the baggage area on my Kitfox IV Speedster. However, my aircraft
in already built and covered so I will not have the luxury of doing the
work with the covering not installed. I plan on removing the seats to gain access
and go from there. I plan to use aluminum angle
material for the structure and aluminum sheet for the flooring and side walls.
I might also use custom made nylon cargo netting for the sides if it is lighter
and maybe light thin plywood for the floor. What ever is lighter and strong
enough I will use.
If anyone can help with input, pictures and experiences it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Christopher Budd
2000 Kitfox IV Speedster
Great Plains VW 2180 230hrs
buddcr@yahoo.com
(314) 807-9011
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
Funny you should mention a C150...a friend and I were flying...him in
his C150, and me in my Model IV Kitfox. We were heading south with a
60+ mph tailwind (GPS groundspeed 177mph) when we both got into
turbulence at about 9500' and both landed in 19-35 knot 90
crosswind. He had stuff flying around inside his cockpit, and I was
just plain wanting to get it down on the ground. So maybe that
contest was a tie. : ) And being as how I haven't flown his, nor he
mine, it's a rather poor comparison, but we both made it down safely,
with only minor landing damage...a scuffed wheel on mine. He took
three attempts to land.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/545 hrs
On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:18 AM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you
> comfortable flying your Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind,
> just wind in general before it gets to turbulent and uncontrollable
> to enjoy flying ?
>
> I currently fly a plane that does not handle high winds as well as
> I would like, and am considering a Super Sport with tricycle
> gear. I would like to get some idea of how much weather
> conditions the Kitfox will handle. I owned a Cessna 150 before,
> and was very happy with the way it would handle winds and
> turbulence... Does the Kitfox handle winds and weather as well as
> small Cessnas ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191760#191760
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
Mike,
I have flown with a group in the past that flew all over the northwestern
part of the US, mostly the mountains of Idaho. These trips have been from
June to September and in all sorts of conditions. We once landed in Nevada
in conditions that once on the ground proved that we should have landed on
the intersecting taxiway. Anyway only once did we abort because of wind
conditions and this was as we were approaching from the west toward Smiley
Creek which is at 7100 ft. in a tidy little valley surrounded by mountains
on the west and east. When a couple of guys wings went nearly vertical we
turned back. As Michel mentioned, though, it was the mountains and the
turbulance caused by them that put us back on the ground. We were fine in
the winds until approaching the final ridge line. Bumpy, yes, but we were
doing fine.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:18 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ???
>
> Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you comfortable
> flying your Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind, just wind in general
> before it gets to turbulent and uncontrollable to enjoy flying ?
>
> I currently fly a plane that does not handle high winds as well as I would
> like, and am considering a Super Sport with tricycle gear. I would like
> to get some idea of how much weather conditions the Kitfox will handle. I
> owned a Cessna 150 before, and was very happy with the way it would handle
> winds and turbulence... Does the Kitfox handle winds and weather as well
> as small Cessnas ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191760#191760
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? |
Hi, this is the first time that I have responded, but I thought I would thr
ow my 2 cents worth in. I have just bought a Kitfox 1- with a 532 which I
now have about 10 hours in. I am switching to light sport and I also have
a 150F which I haver flown for 2 years. I have so far flown with wind 14 gu
sting to 19 which the fox handled suprisingly well. I am still trying to ge
t use to the stick and rudder thing, getting into a comfort zone banking se
ems to be my hang up. I hope this helped.
Dwight Early
Kitfox 1-/ 532
--- On Tue, 7/8/08, JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ???
<orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you comfortable flying
your Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind, just wind in general before
it gets to turbulent and uncontrollable to enjoy flying ?
I currently fly a plane that does not handle high winds as well as I would
like, and am considering a Super Sport with tricycle gear. I would like t
o
get some idea of how much weather conditions the Kitfox will handle. I own
ed a
Cessna 150 before, and was very happy with the way it would handle winds an
d
turbulence... Does the Kitfox handle winds and weather as well as small
Cessnas ?
Thanks,
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as
you could have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191760#191760
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel leaf spring |
Gotta put in my 2 cents worth on the suggestion of a main and
helper....what happens if the main breaks?
If anybody has seen the 3-leaf (2 mains...1 helper) from John McBean
(www.kitfoxaircraft.com), you'll notice that the upper main leaf
(that's the middle spring) has an enlarged hole in the tailwheel end
of the spring. That is, the hole in this leaf is larger than the bolt
that protrudes through it. With the tailwheel-attaching bolt inserted
through the main leaves and the tailwheel assembly and tightened,
but not to the point of absolutely squeezing the whole assembly
together as one piece...unable to move...the spring assembly will be
able to flex, and the ride will be moderately soft/hard, according to
your definition. But it WILL flex, due to the inner member of this
assembly...the main leaf with the larger hole in it...being able to
"absorb" the differing length of travel of the "small-hole" main
leaf, because the bolt will be able to move within this larger hole.
When I assembled my 3-leaf spring, I greased the leaves, and used a
self-locking nut on the tailwheel end. This assembly loosens after
awhile, and I re-tighten it every few weeks. I plan on using a castle
nut and drilled bolt in exchange for the nylon self-locker and
undrilled bolt. This way I can adjust to some degree the tightness of
the clamping pressure, and maybe not have to retighten every so
often. Maybe an extra drilled hole in the bolt will allow some fine-
tuning of the clamping pressure, or perhaps a thin washer will do the
trick.
Hey, Deke, I landed in your back yard with no problems, didn't I? : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/545 hrs
On Jul 8, 2008, at 1:26 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Good points Lowell. Here's my opinion.
> A simple solution for the lighter tail Foxes would be to buy the
> three leaf unit and remove the center leaf and go with the main and
> helper leaves. There is no way the two mains should be bolted front
> and back because they need to move independently on hard landings.
> By using a main and helper it would be simple to just cut and taper
> the helper to terminate a short distance from the tailwheel bolt
> thereby giving it room to move independently of the main. The
> heavier Foxes would probably be better with all three leaves, but
> each should be able to move independently.
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 377+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring
> ...snip
>
>>
>> Here is the opinion part. If the only spring available for
>> replacement is the three spring unit. I am tempted to use them
>> one at a time and then plan on replacing them periodically. Or
>> more likely cutting the springs to give a system like I had,
>> essentially giving a tapering effect to the structure. How often
>> do we see motor vehicles on the side of the road with broken leaf
>> springs.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:51 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring
>>
>>
>> hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a
>> question as i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota
>> hawk]............. i read of a ''one tail spring'' installation
>> failure and and a and p suggested replacing the one spring
>> installation ''just before it breaks!'' so one spring sounds
>> risky. i found a ''spring place;; in colorado that will supply
>> untreated material to be formed, then heat treat it for me to leaf
>> spring specs. sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of
>> safety and single spring installations?''
>> bob noffs
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel leaf spring. |
The elongated hole has some merit, but how would you allow for the
necessary movement between the two leaves when tightening up the
tailwheel bolt to the springs? Those things need to be pretty tight.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 377+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: bob noffs
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheel leaf spring.
hi lowell, thanks for the reply and good info.
right now my tailwheel is matco and 2 leaf springs. the springs are
attached with thru bolts at the fuselage end and at the wheel. my
thought would be to replace 2 leaf springs with 3 , each of 1/10''
thickness. this should be more flexible than 2 of each 1/4''. also, one
leaf must be firmly attached to the matco wheel but the other 2 could
have an elongated hole which would allow them so slide a bit against
each other, allowing more flex. maybe a paper thin matreial like delrin
between them.
i guess i am sold on 2 leaf redundancy but i would like to put more
flex in the spring setup. i dont know if the spring shop supplies any
other thickness than 1/4 and 1/10.
bob noffs
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| Subject: | RE: tailwheel leaf spring |
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> Oops, one important problem with your mast/tree analogy...there's
> nothing hanging off the very top of the mast/tree. In the airplane
> scenario, we've got our asses hanging (sort of) off the end of that
> mast/tree.
Hey! You don't know where my ass is hanging from in the Norwegian woods, Lynn!
:-)
Seriously, I am always amazed to see engineer constructions where weight and strenght
are optimized in beams and structures. I only observe that the original
Kitfox spring leaf is an evenly thick and wide bent piece of metal. Anyone can
then guess where it is most likely to break. Maybe a better design than the
even leaf would be better for the strenght/weight ratio.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel leaf spring. |
deke, i figured the elongated hole had to be large enough to fit over
the nut holding one leaf tight to the wheel. i dont nearly have the
answers yet but i am thinking anyway.
bob boffs
----- Original Message -----
From: fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail wheel leaf spring.
The elongated hole has some merit, but how would you allow for the
necessary movement between the two leaves when tightening up the
tailwheel bolt to the springs? Those things need to be pretty tight.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 377+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: bob noffs
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheel leaf spring.
hi lowell, thanks for the reply and good info.
right now my tailwheel is matco and 2 leaf springs. the springs are
attached with thru bolts at the fuselage end and at the wheel. my
thought would be to replace 2 leaf springs with 3 , each of 1/10''
thickness. this should be more flexible than 2 of each 1/4''. also, one
leaf must be firmly attached to the matco wheel but the other 2 could
have an elongated hole which would allow them so slide a bit against
each other, allowing more flex. maybe a paper thin matreial like delrin
between them.
i guess i am sold on 2 leaf redundancy but i would like to put more
flex in the spring setup. i dont know if the spring shop supplies any
other thickness than 1/4 and 1/10.
bob noffs
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel set Up |
OK Guys here is a picture of my problem...the top leaf that I am
holding,is the single leaf that I took off my KF2...OK every one
following me?now the bottom 2 leafs are the ones that I bought from
Kitfox.and I left the 3 leaf off..OK?now see the different angle?? see
how much different??this is why I can not control My KF2 on the
ground.ALL SO i TOOK THE Maul Tail wheel apart.and lubed and greased it
all up.and now it is locking back in to place.the tail wheel was not
locking in to place befor but now it is..BUT now the angle has me
stumped ,on what to do.. :-\ all so would it be better for me to use 1
main spring and the helper spring together.instead of the 2 leaf
springs??I am new to all of this.KITFOX tail wheel problems.And I need
all of your advice....Thanks Again STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 with
the little but mighty 582
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel set Up |
steve shinabery wrote:
> OK Guys here is a picture of my problem...the top leaf that I am
> holding,is the single leaf that I took off my KF2...OK every one
> following me?now the bottom 2 leafs are the ones that I bought from
> Kitfox.and I left the 3 leaf off..OK?now see the different angle?? see
> how much different??this is why I can not control My KF2 on the
> ground.ALL SO i TOOK THE Maul Tail wheel apart.and lubed and greased
> it all up.and now it is locking back in to place.the tail wheel was
> not locking in to place befor but now it is..BUT now the angle has me
> stumped ,on what to do.. :-\ all so would it be better for me to use 1
> main spring and the helper spring together.instead of the 2 leaf
> springs??I am new to all of this.KITFOX tail wheel problems.And I need
> all of your advice....Thanks Again STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2
> with the little but mighty 582
>
>
> 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 6:33 AM
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
All so Guys,,this kitfox2 ,all so all ready once had the tail wheel
broke off,and the rudder replaced at that time.befor I owned it..this is
why I want to go to the 2 or 3 leaf spring set up..I want to do alot
more off airport landings..I have all so put the new Tundra Tires+new
Matco rims and brakes on to my KF2..so I want to change the tail
wheel.befor it gets broke off again.and a bigger repair bill..Thanks
STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary strut fairing |
Well the wind finally quit blowing in windy Ellensburg this morning so I was able
to test the wood strut fairing attached with duct tape.
Near as I can tell true air speed at 4000 feet DA and 5800 RPM increased from 78
mph to 82 mph. Climb rate did not change.
The biggest supprise to me was the sink rate at a 50 to 55 mph approach speed decreased
a lot. I made my normal close in base to final and over shot the first
two runway exits. I tried a second landing and was way high over the threshold
again. Is there a logical reason for this or do I just need to learn to
fly again?
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: RE: tailwheel leaf spring |
On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> Oops, one important problem with your mast/tree analogy...there's
>> nothing hanging off the very top of the mast/tree. In the airplane
>> scenario, we've got our asses hanging (sort of) off the end of that
>> mast/tree.
>
> Hey! You don't know where my ass is hanging from in the Norwegian
> woods, Lynn! :-)
You're right, and thank goodness I'm lacking in knowledge in THAT
department, Michel. : )
> Seriously, I am always amazed to see engineer constructions where
> weight and strenght are optimized in beams and structures. I only
> observe that the original Kitfox spring leaf is an evenly thick and
> wide bent piece of metal. Anyone can then guess where it is most
> likely to break. Maybe a better design than the even leaf would be
> better for the strenght/weight ratio.
I forgot all about the single leaf spring...made by Grove, wasn't
it?...and as I recall, they quit making it, right? Now there was a
problem waiting to happen, it seems to me. One break and your butt is
on the ground. Enter the 2-leaf spring....the main breaks, and your
butt is on the ground. Enter the 3-leaf spring...one break and
Viola!, you're still rolling on the tailwheel...in most cases. I'm
not saying that the 3-leaf spring (2 main leaves) is the end-all in
engineering practices, but it beats the other two ideas because it
has redundancy, unless I'm missing something.
Lynn
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Help please....
I'm about to make a purchase of an inflight adjustable IVO prop. I have a Model
IV Speedster with a Rotax 912 80hp. The question I have is what length prop
is used with this setup? They seem to range between 52" to 74" . This is confusing
to me. Any help in sorting this out would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Paul Morel
Locust Grove, GA
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68 Inch Zero Plus
Clint> Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop> From: pmorel@bellsouth.net> Date: Tu
e=2C 8 Jul 2008 15:49:13 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox
-List message posted by: "PMorel" <pmorel@bellsouth.net>> > Help please....
> > I'm about to make a purchase of an inflight adjustable IVO prop. I have
a Model IV Speedster with a Rotax 912 80hp. The question I have is what le
ngth prop is used with this setup? They seem to range between 52" to 74" .
This is confusing to me. Any help in sorting this out would be greatly appr
eciated.> > Thanks> Paul Morel> Locust Grove=2C GA> > > > > Read this topic
online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191839#19183
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Just remember that once you install an inflight adjustable prop your fox
will never qualify for light sport again. While you might not be worried
about that it might effect the resale value of your plane.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PMorel
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop
Help please....
I'm about to make a purchase of an inflight adjustable IVO prop. I have a
Model IV Speedster with a Rotax 912 80hp. The question I have is what
length prop is used with this setup? They seem to range between 52" to 74"
. This is confusing to me. Any help in sorting this out would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks
Paul Morel
Locust Grove, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191839#191839
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| Subject: | Tail wheel spring |
I think that this question has been asked but=2C
Has there ever been a broken tail wheel spring using a pneumatic tail wheel
? If this is true=2C the answer is simple.
Clint
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In your aircraft log on prop. Use IvoProp electric adjustable. Don't say
inflight adjustable. Later=2C you can put the switch some where else whic
h makes it ground adjustable=2C electric.
Clint
> From: kirkhull@kc.rr.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kit
fox-List: IVO Prop> Date: Tue=2C 8 Jul 2008 18:06:01 -0500> > --> Kitfox-Li
st message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>> > Just remember tha
t once you install an inflight adjustable prop your fox> will never qualify
for light sport again. While you might not be worried> about that it might
effect the resale value of your plane.> > > > -----Original Message----->
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PMorel> Sent: Tuesday=2C July 08=2C 2008 5:
49 PM> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop> > -->
Kitfox-List message posted by: "PMorel" <pmorel@bellsouth.net>> > Help ple
ase....> > I'm about to make a purchase of an inflight adjustable IVO prop.
I have a> Model IV Speedster with a Rotax 912 80hp. The question I have is
what> length prop is used with this setup? They seem to range between 52"
to 74"> . This is confusing to me. Any help in sorting this out would be gr
eatly> appreciated.> > Thanks> Paul Morel> Locust Grove=2C GA> > > > > Read
this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=1
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel set Up |
Steve-
Here's a picture of my tailwheel setup, using all three leaves as
sold by Kitfox. I drew a line through the spindle. See how the lines
hits the ground ahead of the tailwheel contact point with the ground?
This is the principle of castering. If the projected line through the
spindle makes "contact" with the ground ahead of...forward of...where
the tailwheel contacts the ground, the tailwheel will follow the
aircraft...or the car, or the shopping cart, etc....the principle is
the same for all.
Looking at your picture, I don't see a problem with the angle of the
spring. Unless you have a different Maule tailwheel setup than mine,
it should work the same as mine, which is perfect...even with me at
the controls.
Have you tried to taxi it after lubing everything? If it was me, I'd
try the two main leaves like you have shown in the picture, grease
between the leaves, bolt on the tailwheel assembly just tight enough
to clamp everything together, but still allow the bolt and nut to be
turned with some force (how much?...I dunno, you'll have to try it).
Bounce the rear end up and down, and see if the spring flexes. If it
does, try to taxi with it. It should work fine. But be sure that the
"projected line through the center of the spindle makes contact in
FRONT of the tailwheel contact point."
Like I preach whenever the subject comes up, I suggest using the two
main leaves AT LEAST, and the helper/booster leaf if you prefer.
(Think where you'll be if you go with only one main leaf, and that
main leaf breaks.) This is what I have, and my 'fox weighed 43 pounds
at initial weigh-in. It's probably 44 by now, with the extra leaf and
longer bolts, spacers, etc.
By the way, have you got the original Maule wheel....the hard one,
that is too heavy (my opinion) for our planes? If so, I'd get the
Homebuilder's Tailwheel from Spruce...you know the address.
Lynn
On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:25 PM, steve shinabery wrote:
> OK Guys here is a picture of my problem...the top leaf that I am
> holding,is the single leaf that I took off my KF2...OK every one
> following me?now the bottom 2 leafs are the ones that I bought from
> Kitfox.and I left the 3 leaf off..OK?now see the different angle??
> see how much different??this is why I can not control My KF2 on the
> ground.ALL SO i TOOK THE Maul Tail wheel apart.and lubed and
> greased it all up.and now it is locking back in to place.the tail
> wheel was not locking in to place befor but now it is..BUT now the
> angle has me stumped ,on what to do.. :-\ all so would it be better
> for me to use 1 main spring and the helper spring together.instead
> of the 2 leaf springs??I am new to all of this.KITFOX tail wheel
> problems.And I need all of your advice....Thanks Again STEVE
> SHINABERY N554KF KF2 with the little but mighty 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary strut fairing |
Is the fairing "streamlined," that is, in line with the line of
flight? If not, could it be providing lift, maybe?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/545 hrs
On Jul 8, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
> Well the wind finally quit blowing in windy Ellensburg this morning
> so I was able to test the wood strut fairing attached with duct tape.
>
> Near as I can tell true air speed at 4000 feet DA and 5800 RPM
> increased from 78 mph to 82 mph. Climb rate did not change.
>
> The biggest supprise to me was the sink rate at a 50 to 55 mph
> approach speed decreased a lot. I made my normal close in base to
> final and over shot the first two runway exits. I tried a second
> landing and was way high over the threshold again. Is there a
> logical reason for this or do I just need to learn to fly again?
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191833#191833
>
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary strut fairing |
> Is the fairing "streamlined," that is, in line with the line of
> flight? If not, could it be providing lift, maybe?
>
> Lynn Matteson
Lynn, the fairing is aligned with front and rear struts which are aligned with
the bottom of the wing. The airplane attitude at approach speed is nose high
so You may be right. Producing a little lift.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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I have the same airplane/engine and use the IVO 70" Ultralight/Patriot
blades. I've flown it for over 900 hours and is proving to be one of the best
investments I've made in the aircraft. Don't worry about what the guys are saying
about not being able to revert back to Light Sport. I thought about it when
the new classification came out and then decided to just go ahead and enjoy
the aircraft and worry about that when it happens, if it ever does. Purchase
the prop through Kitfox (as far as I know, they're still a distributor) and get
their adapter to run the wires through the gearbox to put the brushes inside
the engine compartment--keeps them dry and they last a lot longer (smaller
radius to turn), as in forever. Go for it!!!
Stan Specht
Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
49 states and 1300+ hours on a 912ul
Denver, Colorado
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Our EAA Chapter was recently given a Subaru engine, EJ22, complete with a
re-drive/ reduction unit. I know nothing about these engines and know less
about this one. We have no idea how much time may be on the engine but the
re-drive is brand new. The re-drive has been mounted on the engine but the
engine was never mounted on a plane. I understand that the party that gave
it to us determined that the total unit was too heavy for his aircraft and
thus gave it to the EAA chapter and he went with something else. The EAA
chapter wants to sell it for any reasonable amount. If anyone is interested
in this I will try to get more information and can get you pictures that may
explain more than I can.
The engine is located at Lewiston, Idaho. Contact me directly via email or
by phone, 208 305 7450.
Frank Miles
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Thanks Stan and everyone else for the reply. I now have more
information than what I started with and will help in the decision
making.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop
I have the same airplane/engine and use the IVO 70" Ultralight/Patriot
blades. I've flown it for over 900 hours and is proving to be one of the
best investments I've made in the aircraft. Don't worry about what the
guys are saying about not being able to revert back to Light Sport. I
thought about it when the new classification came out and then decided
to just go ahead and enjoy the aircraft and worry about that when it
happens, if it ever does. Purchase the prop through Kitfox (as far as I
know, they're still a distributor) and get their adapter to run the
wires through the gearbox to put the brushes inside the engine
compartment--keeps them dry and they last a lot longer (smaller radius
to turn), as in forever. Go for it!!!
Stan Specht
Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
49 states and 1300+ hours on a 912ul
Denver, Colorado
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