---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/08/08: 57 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:32 AM - Re: Tail wheel spring set up (dave) 2. 02:49 AM - Re: Kitfox-II - Radiator Bracket Separation (dave) 3. 04:46 AM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle (Ryan Wheeler) 4. 05:54 AM - tailwheel leaf spring (bob noffs) 5. 06:19 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (nick4853) 6. 06:23 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Michel Verheughe) 7. 06:23 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (RAY Gignac) 8. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Hydraulic Lock (Bob Brennan) 9. 07:01 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (bob noffs) 10. 07:08 AM - Re: BRS and 2 strokes (JetPilot) 11. 07:13 AM - Re: Tail wheel spring set up (Marco Menezes) 12. 07:20 AM - How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (JetPilot) 13. 07:24 AM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle (Marco Menezes) 14. 07:38 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Marco Menezes) 15. 08:01 AM - Re: Luggage/Cargo Bag FOR SALE (FlyboyTR) 16. 08:07 AM - Baggage area pictures and info (Chris Budd) 17. 08:21 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (paul wilson) 18. 08:45 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (Don McIntosh) 19. 09:19 AM - Re: Baggage area pictures and info (Dan Billingsley) 20. 09:28 AM - Re: online builders log () 21. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan) 22. 10:08 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Lowell Fitt) 23. 10:09 AM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Michel Verheughe) 24. 10:18 AM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Guy Buchanan) 25. 10:18 AM - Re: Baggage area pictures and info (Guy Buchanan) 26. 10:18 AM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle (Guy Buchanan) 27. 10:33 AM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (fox5flyer) 28. 10:47 AM - Re: Baggage area pictures and info (Patrick Best) 29. 10:56 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys) 30. 12:36 PM - Re: BRS and 2 strokes (Michel Verheughe) 31. 12:40 PM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Lynn Matteson) 32. 12:42 PM - FW: sale of my kitfox (Ray McKInley) 33. 12:48 PM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Lynn Matteson) 34. 12:48 PM - tail wheel leaf spring. (bob noffs) 35. 12:55 PM - Re: Baggage area pictures and info (Dan Billingsley) 36. 01:04 PM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Lynn Matteson) 37. 01:07 PM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Lowell Fitt) 38. 01:11 PM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Jodi Munday) 39. 01:36 PM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Lynn Matteson) 40. 01:53 PM - Re: tail wheel leaf spring. (fox5flyer) 41. 02:09 PM - Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Michel Verheughe) 42. 02:13 PM - Re: tail wheel leaf spring. (bob noffs) 43. 02:25 PM - Tail Wheel set Up (steve shinabery) 44. 02:47 PM - Re: Tail Wheel set Up (steve shinabery) 45. 03:06 PM - Re: Temporary strut fairing (Tom Jones) 46. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: tailwheel leaf spring (Lynn Matteson) 47. 03:51 PM - IVO Prop (PMorel) 48. 04:04 PM - Re: IVO Prop (Clint Bazzill) 49. 04:08 PM - Re: IVO Prop (kirk hull) 50. 04:10 PM - Tail wheel spring (Clint Bazzill) 51. 04:21 PM - Re: IVO Prop (Clint Bazzill) 52. 04:23 PM - Re: Tail Wheel set Up (Lynn Matteson) 53. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Temporary strut fairing (Lynn Matteson) 54. 04:40 PM - Re: Temporary strut fairing (Tom Jones) 55. 04:52 PM - Re: IVO Prop (SOURDOSTAN@aol.com) 56. 05:06 PM - Subaru Engine (Frank Miles) 57. 07:10 PM - Re: IVO Prop (Paul Morel) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:06 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tail wheel spring set up From: "dave" Steve, Sounds like you have a negative castor angle like the other guys have mentioned. Can you post a picture? Remind me later today and I will get a photo of tailwheel on my IV. Better hurry -- floats going on this week I hope. :) -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191738#191738 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:31 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-II - Radiator Bracket Separation From: "dave" Joe, If you are not able to do your self just remove and take to rad shop and get it soldered. Could get it cleaned and pressure tested as well. Dave -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191739#191739 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:17 AM PST US From: Ryan Wheeler Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle If this was originally for a HACman system, would it be wise to look into g etting one of those systems?- The regular vent lines seem pretty basic, a re they just something that you field fabricate?- If so, does anybody kno w the dimensions; length, hole pattern/diameters, etc?=0A-=0ARyan ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:22 AM PST US From: "bob noffs" Subject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a question as i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota hawk]............. i read of a ''one tail spring'' installation failure and and a and p suggested replacing the one spring installation ''just before it breaks!'' so one spring sounds risky. i found a ''spring place;; in colorado that will supply untreated material to be formed, then heat treat it for me to leaf spring specs. sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and single spring installations?'' bob noffs ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:59 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hydraulic Lock From: "nick4853" Hi Bob here is a pic of my trailer. This is a Skystar trailer the original builder put together. I'm currently working on a air ride suspension for the tail. It seems that the tail feels every jolt as I'm towing with 3/4 ton truck. If I was towing with a softer suspension like a car I don't think it will be that bad. I noticed your in Wrightsville I'm about a half hour south of Red Lion Just over the MD line. Your welcome to come down and get a closer look. What Field will you be flying from? Nick W. -------- kitfox !V-1200 Rotax 912ul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191751#191751 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_5_2008_134_177.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_5_2008_133_179.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:13 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring > From: bob noffs [icubob@newnorth.net] > sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and single spring > installations?'' Well Bob, I am not metalurgist and know virtually nothing about the matter. But I noticed that my single leaf broke exactly in the middle, where the bend is greatest. If you can get someone to make a single leaf spring where that part is stronger/thicker/wider or whatever it takes to take the load, it may be good enough. It's like a mast or a tree; the higher it is, the less load it takes and the thinner it can be. Just a thought. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:51 AM PST US From: RAY Gignac Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring The problem you could have with a single leaf spring break is the rudder hi ting the ground and being damaged! your best bet would be a 3 leaf spring! this is what I put on my Kitfox because of this problem! Go 3 leaf for pea ce of mind. Ray From: icubob@newnorth.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf springDate: Tue=2C 8 Jul 2008 07:51:07 -0500 hi all=2C with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a question as i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota hawk]............. i read of a ''one tail spring'' installation failure and and a and p suggeste d replacing the one spring installation ''just before it breaks!'' so one s pring sounds risky. i found a ''spring place=3B=3B in colorado that will su pply untreated material to be formed=2C then heat treat it for me to leaf s pring specs. sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and single spring installations?'' bob noffs _________________________________________________________________ The i=92m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:49 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hydraulic Lock That is a very neat trailer Nick, perfect for towing a Kitfox any distance. I'll be sticking with my car-trailer; which is overkill but I have it, it's registered and paid for, and I have many other uses for it. I was just curious what other Kitfoxers were using, since a big attraction of the Kitfox is the folding wings and *no* hanger fees. I have a small farm in Wrightsville with a shed (enough room for several boats and an airplane, not most people's concept of a "shed"!) where I store my Kitfox. I plan to fly out of McGinness Airport(8N7) which is just across the river in Columbia. George McGinness is 94 now and a great guy, he keeps the airport open and ready but he says it's been 4 months since anybody has been there. So if any of you local Kitfoxers get the chance - he'd love the business! And it might just save yet another great old grass strip from going to developers... I was curious if anyone out there tows their Kitfox on its own wheels using the towbar? I know the manual says "never more than 10 miles" and the tires say "not for highway use" and the local DOT has *no* idea how to legally tow an airplane as a "trailer"... it still seems to be a neat alternative especially since McGinness is only 5 miles from me. Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nick4853 Sent: 08 July 2008 9:17 am Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hydraulic Lock Hi Bob here is a pic of my trailer. This is a Skystar trailer the original builder put together. I'm currently working on a air ride suspension for the tail. It seems that the tail feels every jolt as I'm towing with 3/4 ton truck. If I was towing with a softer suspension like a car I don't think it will be that bad. I noticed your in Wrightsville I'm about a half hour south of Red Lion Just over the MD line. Your welcome to come down and get a closer look. What Field will you be flying from? Nick W. -------- kitfox !V-1200 Rotax 912ul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191751#191751 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_5_2008_134_177.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_5_2008_133_179.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:24 AM PST US From: "bob noffs" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring ----- Original Message ----- From: RAY Gignac To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring The problem you could have with a single leaf spring break is the rudder hiting the ground and being damaged! your best bet would be a 3 leaf spring! this is what I put on my Kitfox because of this problem! Go 3 leaf for peace of mind. Ray ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: icubob@newnorth.net To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:51:07 -0500 my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and single spring installations?'' bob noffs ray, what is the thickness of each leaf spring in your 3 spring set up?what i have been seeing is 2 3/16'' -1/4'' for each spring in a 2 spring set up. bob noffs target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- The i=92m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? Find out now. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:45 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: BRS and 2 strokes From: "JetPilot" [quote="Michel"] Likewise, I feel that a BRS is somewhat of a danger since once deployed, you're not anymore the pilot but a passenger. When would you use it, anyway? If a surface departed the aircraft? Some years ago, a pilot from my airfield flew a Jora microlight aircraft and the left wing departed. The aircraft had a BRS but the pilot never managed to deploy it as it went into a mad spin. quote] NOTHING works all the time... There are plenty of cases where seatbelts in cars do not save the driver, but I still use my seatbelt, because it gives me a much better chance of surviving. I have seatbelts and a BRS in my plane because it gives me a better chance.... I would not consider my BRS for an engine out situation unless I am over steep mountains, or very unusual circumstances, I have to agree with Michael on this one. In the cae of a wing failure, control failure, or any other of a million things that can go wrong, I would already just be a passenger at that point. I would rather be a passenger in a plane beneath a chute than a passenger in a plane plummeting towards the ground at an incredible rate of speed ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191757#191757 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:43 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel spring set up Some will say I'm nuts but if your original 1 leaf spring is intact (no cra cks), why not put it back on and keep flying until you get the problem with 3-leafer sorted out? So long as you inspect it carefully at every prefligh t and unload the tailwheel when trailering-or storing with wings folded, you'll get hundreds of hours of safe service out of that-1-leafer.- - Just one aviator's thought to keep you in the air Steve. - Marco Menezes N99KX- Model 2 582-90 C-Box --- On Mon, 7/7/08, steve shinabery wrote: From: steve shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel spring set up Guy Buchanan wrote: > > At 02:14 AM 7/7/2008, you wrote: >> Could this be the wrong set of leaf springs??does the KF2 >> different ,or does all KF springs fit all KFs??may be I have the >> wrong KF springs??I can not fly this way... :-( What can I do?? > > If the angle is the only thing different, (meaning you swapped the > entire tailwheel assembly from one to the other,) that has to be the > reason. The pivot should be nearly vertical, with the top slightly > behind the bottom so the wheel doesn't shimmy. I'm guessing yours has > the top WAY behind the bottom, so the wheel wants to flop sideways. > That would be bad. If your pivot angle looks wrong, have a spring shop > bend it for you to the right angle. > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade > 100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar > > > 270.4.6/1538 - Release Date: 7/7/2008 7:40 AM > > Thanks Guy,,every one has helped me..and these are all good ideas..today I am sending pictures of springs to Kitfox ..what I have..and what needs to be done.. :-( but grounded 4 now in Ohio.I can not keep doing loops all down the way.of the run way.trying to get off the ground..all so looks kind of stupid.. :-P But with all of the kitfox family and John+Deb at kitfox.hope to have her back in the air again..soon....STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 582.. ============0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:48 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? From: "JetPilot" Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you comfortable flying your Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind, just wind in general before it gets to turbulent and uncontrollable to enjoy flying ? I currently fly a plane that does not handle high winds as well as I would like, and am considering a Super Sport with tricycle gear. I would like to get some idea of how much weather conditions the Kitfox will handle. I owned a Cessna 150 before, and was very happy with the way it would handle winds and turbulence... Does the Kitfox handle winds and weather as well as small Cessnas ? Thanks, Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191760#191760 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:18 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle Ryan, - You could just replace the original vents with expensive Rotax parts or mak e your own from some of that skinny tubing that's currently hanging there. The HACman system is a great mod, in my opinion. It's cheap,-easy to inst all and-allows you to control mixture in-flight, adjust-EGT's-to more optimal levels at any power setting. Might require some machining on one o f your carbs. - Check it out at www.greenskyadventures.com - Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Ryan Wheeler wrote: From: Ryan Wheeler Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent l ine install - Rotax 2 cycle If this was originally for a HACman system, would it be wise to look into g etting one of those systems?- The regular vent lines seem pretty basic, a re they just something that you field fabricate?- If so, does anybody kno w the dimensions; length, hole pattern/diameters, etc? - Ryan 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:32 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring Bob, As I suggested to-Ryan there are alot of safe operational hours-in the one leaf if you watch it and treat it right. Eventually tho, I'd want to replace it with at least a 2-leafer. Trick is knowing when. If it breaks while in service,-there will be damage. Ask Michel and others. - Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box --- On Tue, 7/8/08, bob noffs wrote: From: bob noffs Subject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a question a s i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota hawk]............. i re ad of a ''one tail spring'' installation failure and and a and p suggested replacing the one spring installation ''just before it breaks!'' so one spr ing sounds risky. i found a ''spring place;; in colorado that will supply u ntreated material to be formed, then heat treat it for me to leaf spring sp ecs. sooooooooo- my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and singl e spring installations?'' ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- -------------- bob noffs =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:38 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Luggage/Cargo Bag FOR SALE From: "FlyboyTR" Bob, I got the email you sent me, but all the return emails with pictures, etc have been rejected. That address is tied back to the Matronic's list. Please PM or email me again and "type" your email address. Thanks. Travis -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop ADI-II Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191767#191767 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:13 AM PST US From: Chris Budd Subject: Kitfox-List: Baggage area pictures and info Hi everyone, I wanted to know if anyone out there has a modified/larger baggage area in their Kitfox IV. If so, can you please send detailed pictures of the baggage area to the list or directly to me. In addition to detailed pictures can you shed any light on your experiences with any differences in W&B and the effects of the larger baggage area has had on the aircraft when it has been loaded up. For example, can you take two people some fuel and load the baggage area up and still be within CG. My plan is to enlarge the baggage area on my Kitfox IV Speedster. However, my aircraft in already built and covered so I will not have the luxury of doing the work with the covering not installed. I plan on removing the seats to gain access and go from there. I plan to use aluminum angle material for the structure and aluminum sheet for the flooring and side walls. I might also use custom made nylon cargo netting for the sides if it is lighter and maybe light thin plywood for the floor. What ever is lighter and strong enough I will use. If anyone can help with input, pictures and experiences it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Christopher Budd 2000 Kitfox IV Speedster Great Plains VW 2180 230hrs buddcr@yahoo.com (314) 807-9011 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:15 AM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring I have lots of experience with leaf springs in trucks that are modified for long travel. Conclusion is that leafs work great if the deflections are small due to less flex, like the stock cars and trucks. But, the more the spring flexes the sooner fatigue results in breakage and/or sag. The solution is to reduce the flex which results in a very stiff ride. Thus the need for a softer tire to help the situation. For the Kitfox multiple springs for much less deflection (=stiff) and the Homebuilder soft tire or an inflatable tire are good ways to go. Regards, Paul ========== At 07:20 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote: > > From: bob noffs [icubob@newnorth.net] > > sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and > single spring > > installations?'' > >Well Bob, I am not metalurgist and know virtually nothing about the >matter. But I noticed that my single leaf broke exactly in the >middle, where the bend is greatest. If you can get someone to make a >single leaf spring where that part is stronger/thicker/wider or >whatever it takes to take the load, it may be good enough. It's like >a mast or a tree; the higher it is, the less load it takes and the >thinner it can be. > >Just a thought. > >Cheers, >Michel Verheughe ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:56 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings From: "Don McIntosh" Bob, I would talk to Dan at Spencer Aircraft for PolyFiber products 800-424-1160. He is really good with the stuff and a real person to talk to. The PolyFiber factory at www.polyfiber.com will custom match colors for you but it is my understanding it costs $200 which includes the formula and the first gallon of paint. Then if you need more go to Spencer. -------- Don McIntosh Kitfox Series 7 under construction Jabiru 3300 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191774#191774 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:58 AM PST US From: Dan Billingsley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Baggage area pictures and info Chris, Here is a link to my website http://www.azshowersolutions.com/Baggage1.html. Hope these help. Dan B Mesa, AZ KF-IV 912s, Tri N314DW Chris Budd wrote: Hi everyone, I wanted to know if anyone out there has a modified/larger baggage area in their Kitfox IV. If so, can you please send detailed pictures of the baggage area to the list or directly to me. In addition to detailed pictures can you shed any light on your experiences with any differences in W&B and the effects of the larger baggage area has had on the aircraft when it has been loaded up. For example, can you take two people some fuel and load the baggage area up and still be within CG. My plan is to enlarge the baggage area on my Kitfox IV Speedster. However, my aircraft in already built and covered so I will not have the luxury of doing the work with the covering not installed. I plan on removing the seats to gain access and go from there. I plan to use aluminum angle material for the structure and aluminum sheet for the flooring and side walls. I might also use custom made nylon cargo netting for the sides if it is lighter and maybe light thin plywood for the floor. What ever is lighter and strong enough I will use. If anyone can help with input, pictures and experiences it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Christopher Budd 2000 Kitfox IV Speedster Great Plains VW 2180 230hrs buddcr@yahoo.com (314) 807-9011 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:14 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: online builders log jim , I too was missing those pages and diagrams and got them from someone here on line but don't remember who. They also sent pictures. You should be able to find them in the archives Leon Morris/Classic 4/65%/ Flower Mound, TX--- Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote: > > Hi all, I've been searching on the web for pictures someone has uploaded of their Kitfox build. It seems like some bits of my manual are missing, things like instrument panel, installing fiberglass cover over instrument panel, to mention just a few things I can't find. Even with the proper pages in the manual, sometimes a picture or two of how someone else did it is a big help. Does anyone have pictures of their build online? I'm building a Kitfox 4 Classic, but a lot of things are simalar one model to another. Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:33 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings Thanks Don, I have ordered ($free) the PolyFiber color chart from AircraftSpruce and hope to be able to get a good match from that and then order the minimum paint required from them. I'll keep this info in case that doesn't work out though. Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McIntosh Sent: 08 July 2008 11:43 am Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings Bob, I would talk to Dan at Spencer Aircraft for PolyFiber products 800-424-1160. He is really good with the stuff and a real person to talk to. The PolyFiber factory at www.polyfiber.com will custom match colors for you but it is my understanding it costs $200 which includes the formula and the first gallon of paint. Then if you need more go to Spencer. -------- Don McIntosh Kitfox Series 7 under construction Jabiru 3300 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191774#191774 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:55 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring Bob, Just a thought or two and maybe an opinion here. the original springs were single leaf. My guess is that there are lots of guys still flying with the single leaf. Yes they can brake, but I doubt they would suddenly break without some visible evidence of eminent failure. I doubt that most give that close a preflight and wonder if checking at annual would be sufficient to prevent breakage. The springs should be springs. I wonder for the lighter Kitfoxes if three springs would be like putting a bar between the tail of the airplane and the tail wheel giving no spring action at all. The question relating to spring thickness in the different configurations is a good one. If the three spring assembly is three 1/4" leafs and the two spring has two 1/4" leafs and I just measured the spring on my 1992 project and it is 1/4", you can imagine the ride you would get (or rather the ride the aft structure of the airplane would get) with a 3/4 inch of spring steel out there (especially if routinely landing on grass or gravel). Also keep in mind that the average big Kitfox will "bottom" out empty, weight wise, in the 760 lb range and grow to over 1000 lbs as a few have done. My first Model IV was 45 lbs at the tailwheel. I don't think I need a spring that would handle a 100 lb tailwheel weight. It also came with a single leaf, but I added another due to conversations on the list just like this one. The second leaf (from the factory) was a partial leaf similar to what you see on muliple leaf systems on motor vehicles. Interestingly, I had a bit over 900 hours on the airplane when I made the emergency landing that destroyed the airplane and the only airframe components that survived without any damage at all were the main gear "Hammerhead" and tailwheel assemblies - there was one flat tire. Not being an engineer, I sometimes wonder about the multiple leafs with bolt attachments at both ends. I can't imagine they are as flexible as a system of partial leaf springs. I recently talked to a friend that wants to buy an ultralight to get in and out of a pretty remote 300 acres he owns near here north of Placerville. I Can't remember the type, but he mentioned the lift strut attach point on his model of choice has a history of failure after so many years or hours of use. As a solution, they routinely replace the part every two years, as I recall. He seemed quite comfortable with that plan as, it seems, is the rest of the fleets pilots. It sort of scares the daylights out of me as a lift strut failure is a big deal and might just be a life altering experience where the failure of a tailwheel spring might ruin a day or two. But that being said, I don't think I would want my airplane beat up on the ground with too much spring back there. Right now with no empennage on the airplane the single leaf is too much spring as the caster angle gives the same result that Steve reports with his three spring set-up. Here is the opinion part. If the only spring available for replacement is the three spring unit. I am tempted to use them one at a time and then plan on replacing them periodically. Or more likely cutting the springs to give a system like I had, essentially giving a tapering effect to the structure. How often do we see motor vehicles on the side of the road with broken leaf springs. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob noffs" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:51 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a question as i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota hawk]............. i read of a ''one tail spring'' installation failure and and a and p suggested replacing the one spring installation ''just before it breaks!'' so one spring sounds risky. i found a ''spring place;; in colorado that will supply untreated material to be formed, then heat treat it for me to leaf spring specs. sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and single spring installations?'' bob noffs ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:39 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? > From: JetPilot [orcabonita@hotmail.com] > How much wind are you comfortable flying your Kitfox In ??? With my model 3: Crosswind: Max 12 knots. With that wind, I can't keep the aircraft from weathercocking when slowed down. Otherwise ... I can't say that the wind influences much my flying, if it isn't the annoying fact that a headwind slows down the journey. Wind strenght is mostly a problem related to the terrain. Even a light breeze can become dangerous in a Norwegian fjord if accross thef fjord. Sometimes it just hit you from nowhere. So, wind + terrain, is to be taken with caution. But wind alone ... I can't remember it has bothered me over relatively flat country like when I follow the Swedish coast. I once landed at Varberg, near the Swedish coast, and I needed two guys to hold my wings before I could switch off the engine with the nose in the wind. They came with heavy earth anchors that we attached in front of the gears otherwise the plane would be airborne by itself ... nearly. The flying that day wasn't bad. >From the very little experience I have from other aircraft, I would say that in turbulence; either thermic or mechanic, the Kitfox is more work because it easily yaws from one side to the other. You can work the pedals or simply leave it; the plane eventually returns with the ball in the center. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:49 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? At 07:18 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote: >Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you comfortable >flying your Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind, just wind in >general before it gets to turbulent and uncontrollable to enjoy flying ? Mike, I'm assuming you're talking about take-off and landing. You can handle any amount of stable wind at altitude, and turbulence is just a preference, assuming you're following the "rules" and watching your airspeed. As far as take-off and landing, I've been out in 25 gusting to 35, but you had to be really careful taxiing. The hardest part was getting out of the aircraft to tie it down - it wanted to run away! I've even heard of people launching in more than 35, but they had handlers to hold the aircraft down prior to takeoff. The Kitfox handles turbulence, even that near the ground, really well because of its incredible control sensitivity. I fly it when I wouldn't even consider flying a less controllable aircraft like a 172. Of course, like any slow plane, you have to be careful to add lots of gust factor; you don't want to stall when the wind quits. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade 100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:49 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Baggage area pictures and info At 08:02 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote: >If anyone can help with input, pictures and experiences it would be >greatly appreciated. Chris, Check the archives. I posted pictures and info on my hard baggage system in my IV sometime this past year. If you can't find it I'll look it up when I get home. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade 100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:49 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle At 04:42 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote: >If this was originally for a HACman system, would it be wise to look >into getting one of those systems? The regular vent lines seem >pretty basic, are they just something that you field fabricate? If >so, does anybody know the dimensions; length, hole pattern/diameters, etc? Ryan, I would look into the HACman system.(http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/HACmandetails.htm) I use it and love it. You could easily fabricate your own Rotax vent lines. Just size a line that goes comfortably around the bottom of the carb, from one side vent to the other, and melt/drill a 3/32" hole in the bottom situated so any fluid in the line will drain out. I'm quite sure the exact length is irrelevant, just that the vent is near the carb. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade 100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:26 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring Good points Lowell. Here's my opinion. A simple solution for the lighter tail Foxes would be to buy the three leaf unit and remove the center leaf and go with the main and helper leaves. There is no way the two mains should be bolted front and back because they need to move independently on hard landings. By using a main and helper it would be simple to just cut and taper the helper to terminate a short distance from the tailwheel bolt thereby giving it room to move independently of the main. The heavier Foxes would probably be better with all three leaves, but each should be able to move independently. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 377+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:02 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring ...snip > > Here is the opinion part. If the only spring available for replacement is > the three spring unit. I am tempted to use them one at a time and then > plan on replacing them periodically. Or more likely cutting the springs > to give a system like I had, essentially giving a tapering effect to the > structure. How often do we see motor vehicles on the side of the road with > broken leaf springs. > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bob noffs" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:51 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring > > > hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a question > as i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota hawk]............. i > read of a ''one tail spring'' installation failure and and a and p > suggested replacing the one spring installation ''just before it breaks!'' > so one spring sounds risky. i found a ''spring place;; in colorado that > will supply untreated material to be formed, then heat treat it for me to > leaf spring specs. sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of > safety and single spring installations?'' > > bob noffs > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Baggage area pictures and info From: "Patrick Best" Aren't you worried about CoG with the guns so far aft? ________________________________ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Dan Billingsley Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 12:16 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Baggage area pictures and info Chris, Here is a link to my website http://www.azshowersolutions.com/Baggage1.html. Hope these help. Dan B Mesa, AZ KF-IV 912s, Tri N314DW Chris Budd wrote: Hi everyone, I wanted to know if anyone out there has a modified/larger baggage area in their Kitfox IV. If so, can you please send detailed pictures of the baggage area to the list or directly to me. In addition to detailed pictures can you shed any light on your experiences with any differences in W&B and the effects of the larger baggage area has had on the aircraft when it has been loaded up. For example, can you take two people some fuel and load the baggage area up and still be within CG. My plan is to enlarge the baggage area on my Kitfox IV Speedster. However, my aircraft in already built and covered so I will not have the luxury of doing the work with the covering not installed. I plan on removing the seats to gain access and go from there. I plan to use aluminum angle material for the structure and aluminum sheet for the flooring and side walls. I might also use custom made nylon cargo netting for the sides if it is lighter and maybe light thin plywood for the floor. What ever is lighter and strong enough I will use. If anyone can help with input, pictures and experiences it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Christopher Budd 2000 Kitfox IV Speedster Great Plains VW 2180 230hrs buddcr@yahoo.com (314) 807-9011 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:01 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings Best of luck and when you get your bird back in the air let's have a look at her. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings That's great info Noel, and I'm giving that logo below some serious consideration. The guy I bought the airplane from doesn't know details about the paint and the original builder is uncontactable. However my Owner's Manual specifies "Stits Poly-Tone or Aero-Thane" and AircraftSpruce offers both finishes in a variety (unfortunately!) of yellows. I have ordered their free Poly-Fiber Color Chart and hope to make a safe match with that. Thanks again for your help, I probably wouldn't have found this info without it. And wish me luck with first-time spraying! Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys Sent: 03 July 2008 11:06 pm Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings You only need to know the brand of the finish on there now... If it is PolyFibre then you can get the Polyfibre or Aerothane finish. If it is Randolph then all you need is the butrate dope the same colour. Same thing for Hi-Pec and most of the other finishes... The first thing to do is to find out what is there now. The original owner or the guy you bought it from may be able to help. The Decals are opaque so they can be applied directly over the existing finish without using any dope or paint. Heck you won't even need to sand the finish to apply a decal. Check out the places that make graphics for cars and or trucks. I have used the decals to put registration markings on a couple of planes I worked on. It is just too easy and the marks always go on straight and square. Noel How about just tell the printers you need the white BTW that's close to the original training colours. 050405-F-1234P-132.jpg From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings That's the best suggestion yet Noel, and I see Aircraft Spruce has quite a few at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/flagplacards.php I also found some actual Kitfox logo decals at http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Decals/Logos.html that look interesting. Where would I get yellow dope to match what's on the plane? And black (black should be easy to match!)? Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:17 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: BRS and 2 strokes > From: JetPilot [orcabonita@hotmail.com] > I would rather be a passenger in a plane beneath a chute than a passenger in > a plane plummeting towards the ground at an incredible rate of speed ! Very good point, Mike! I would rather too. But my point was - like for the maritime liferaft - that I am not sure to trust my reaction and being afraid to do what, at the moment, seems the easy way out when flying the plane to the ground would perhaps be better. I was not advocating the non use of the ballistic chute, merely saying why I have second thought using them. Perhaps if you trust your judgement better than I do mine ... It's a personal thing. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:46 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring Why not just buy the 3-leaf spring from Kitfox and be done with it? IF it will work with your model Kitfox, that is. My original 2-leaf spring (I count all the leaves) broke and the tailwheel flopped around, slightly damaging the rudder fabric (not very bad as I haven't fixed it yet from 2 years ago). So I'd have to say I have a VERY LOW opinion of a single leaf, or even a 2-leaf installation. I count all the leaves, so the single to me is a single leaf....a 2 leaf spring is a main leaf (1 leaf bolted on both ends), and a helper/booster leaf bolted on just the fuselage end....and a 3- leaf (2 main leaves bolted at both ends, and a helper/booster leaf bolted on just the fuselage end. If I'm using the wrong terminology, how about John McBean...who sells the 3-leaf spring that I now use....jumping in here and setting us all straight? The main thing to think about when looking at your tailwheel spring setup is, what happens if the one main leaf breaks? Do you have another? Where does the tailwheel assembly go when the main spring breaks? The chances of a 2-MAIN-leaf spring breaking both mains in the same incident seems to be "not bloody likely." Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/545 hrs On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:51 AM, bob noffs wrote: > hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a > question as i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota > hawk]............. i read of a ''one tail spring'' installation > failure and and a and p suggested replacing the one spring > installation ''just before it breaks!'' so one spring sounds risky. > i found a ''spring place;; in colorado that will supply untreated > material to be formed, then heat treat it for me to leaf spring > specs. sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety > and single spring installations?'' > > bob noffs > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:19 PM PST US From: "Ray McKInley" Subject: Kitfox-List: FW: sale of my kitfox _____ From: Ray McKInley [mailto:raymck@q.com] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: sale of my kitfox Hi I have been a listener of this list for a long time about 4 years. It has come time for me to sale my kitfox Lite Squared 2 (classic IV) it is a 582 with a GSC prop very low time on engine about 4 hours. I have a custom built trailer that works very well. For pictures and price you can contact me at raymck@q.com .. Regards Ray McKinley ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:12 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring Good analogy, Michel....now add another mast right next to the original, throw a rope around the two masts at the top, and you've just built in a safety factor of 100%. : ) Yeah, I know.....you weight junkies will just have to eat another less burger. Oops, one important problem with your mast/tree analogy...there's nothing hanging off the very top of the mast/tree. In the airplane scenario, we've got our asses hanging (sort of) off the end of that mast/tree. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/545 hrs On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote: >> From: bob noffs [icubob@newnorth.net] >> sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of safety and >> single spring >> installations?'' > > Well Bob, I am not metalurgist and know virtually nothing about the > matter. But I noticed that my single leaf broke exactly in the > middle, where the bend is greatest. If you can get someone to make > a single leaf spring where that part is stronger/thicker/wider or > whatever it takes to take the load, it may be good enough. It's > like a mast or a tree; the higher it is, the less load it takes and > the thinner it can be. > > Just a thought. > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > > 

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________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:29 PM PST US From: "bob noffs" Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheel leaf spring. hi lowell, thanks for the reply and good info. right now my tailwheel is matco and 2 leaf springs. the springs are attached with thru bolts at the fuselage end and at the wheel. my thought would be to replace 2 leaf springs with 3 , each of 1/10'' thickness. this should be more flexible than 2 of each 1/4''. also, one leaf must be firmly attached to the matco wheel but the other 2 could have an elongated hole which would allow them so slide a bit against each other, allowing more flex. maybe a paper thin matreial like delrin between them. i guess i am sold on 2 leaf redundancy but i would like to put more flex in the spring setup. i dont know if the spring shop supplies any other thickness than 1/4 and 1/10. bob noffs ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:15 PM PST US From: Dan Billingsley Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Baggage area pictures and info having a shotgun down the center of the fuselage in a model IV with a 912s stuck on the front has been tested. I get that question alot though. Dan Patrick Best wrote: Aren't you worried about CoG with the guns so far aft? ________________________________ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Dan Billingsley Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 12:16 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Baggage area pictures and info Chris, Here is a link to my website http://www.azshowersolutions.com/Baggage1.html. Hope these help. Dan B Mesa, AZ KF-IV 912s, Tri N314DW Chris Budd wrote: Hi everyone, I wanted to know if anyone out there has a modified/larger baggage area in their Kitfox IV. If so, can you please send detailed pictures of the baggage area to the list or directly to me. In addition to detailed pictures can you shed any light on your experiences with any differences in W&B and the effects of the larger baggage area has had on the aircraft when it has been loaded up. For example, can you take two people some fuel and load the baggage area up and still be within CG. My plan is to enlarge the baggage area on my Kitfox IV Speedster. However, my aircraft in already built and covered so I will not have the luxury of doing the work with the covering not installed. I plan on removing the seats to gain access and go from there. I plan to use aluminum angle material for the structure and aluminum sheet for the flooring and side walls. I might also use custom made nylon cargo netting for the sides if it is lighter and maybe light thin plywood for the floor. What ever is lighter and strong enough I will use. If anyone can help with input, pictures and experiences it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Christopher Budd 2000 Kitfox IV Speedster Great Plains VW 2180 230hrs buddcr@yahoo.com (314) 807-9011 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:58 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? Funny you should mention a C150...a friend and I were flying...him in his C150, and me in my Model IV Kitfox. We were heading south with a 60+ mph tailwind (GPS groundspeed 177mph) when we both got into turbulence at about 9500' and both landed in 19-35 knot 90 crosswind. He had stuff flying around inside his cockpit, and I was just plain wanting to get it down on the ground. So maybe that contest was a tie. : ) And being as how I haven't flown his, nor he mine, it's a rather poor comparison, but we both made it down safely, with only minor landing damage...a scuffed wheel on mine. He took three attempts to land. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/545 hrs On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:18 AM, JetPilot wrote: > > Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you > comfortable flying your Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind, > just wind in general before it gets to turbulent and uncontrollable > to enjoy flying ? > > I currently fly a plane that does not handle high winds as well as > I would like, and am considering a Super Sport with tricycle > gear. I would like to get some idea of how much weather > conditions the Kitfox will handle. I owned a Cessna 150 before, > and was very happy with the way it would handle winds and > turbulence... Does the Kitfox handle winds and weather as well as > small Cessnas ? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191760#191760 > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:13 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? Mike, I have flown with a group in the past that flew all over the northwestern part of the US, mostly the mountains of Idaho. These trips have been from June to September and in all sorts of conditions. We once landed in Nevada in conditions that once on the ground proved that we should have landed on the intersecting taxiway. Anyway only once did we abort because of wind conditions and this was as we were approaching from the west toward Smiley Creek which is at 7100 ft. in a tidy little valley surrounded by mountains on the west and east. When a couple of guys wings went nearly vertical we turned back. As Michel mentioned, though, it was the mountains and the turbulance caused by them that put us back on the ground. We were fine in the winds until approaching the final ridge line. Bumpy, yes, but we were doing fine. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? > > Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you comfortable > flying your Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind, just wind in general > before it gets to turbulent and uncontrollable to enjoy flying ? > > I currently fly a plane that does not handle high winds as well as I would > like, and am considering a Super Sport with tricycle gear. I would like > to get some idea of how much weather conditions the Kitfox will handle. I > owned a Cessna 150 before, and was very happy with the way it would handle > winds and turbulence... Does the Kitfox handle winds and weather as well > as small Cessnas ? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191760#191760 > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:45 PM PST US From: Jodi Munday Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? Hi, this is the first time that I have responded, but I thought I would thr ow my 2 cents worth in. I have just bought a Kitfox 1- with a 532 which I now have about 10 hours in. I am switching to light sport and I also have a 150F which I haver flown for 2 years. I have so far flown with wind 14 gu sting to 19 which the fox handled suprisingly well. I am still trying to ge t use to the stick and rudder thing, getting into a comfort zone banking se ems to be my hang up. I hope this helped. Dwight Early Kitfox 1-/ 532 --- On Tue, 7/8/08, JetPilot wrote: From: JetPilot Subject: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you comfortable flying your Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind, just wind in general before it gets to turbulent and uncontrollable to enjoy flying ? I currently fly a plane that does not handle high winds as well as I would like, and am considering a Super Sport with tricycle gear. I would like t o get some idea of how much weather conditions the Kitfox will handle. I own ed a Cessna 150 before, and was very happy with the way it would handle winds an d turbulence... Does the Kitfox handle winds and weather as well as small Cessnas ? Thanks, Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191760#191760 ============0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:40 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring Gotta put in my 2 cents worth on the suggestion of a main and helper....what happens if the main breaks? If anybody has seen the 3-leaf (2 mains...1 helper) from John McBean (www.kitfoxaircraft.com), you'll notice that the upper main leaf (that's the middle spring) has an enlarged hole in the tailwheel end of the spring. That is, the hole in this leaf is larger than the bolt that protrudes through it. With the tailwheel-attaching bolt inserted through the main leaves and the tailwheel assembly and tightened, but not to the point of absolutely squeezing the whole assembly together as one piece...unable to move...the spring assembly will be able to flex, and the ride will be moderately soft/hard, according to your definition. But it WILL flex, due to the inner member of this assembly...the main leaf with the larger hole in it...being able to "absorb" the differing length of travel of the "small-hole" main leaf, because the bolt will be able to move within this larger hole. When I assembled my 3-leaf spring, I greased the leaves, and used a self-locking nut on the tailwheel end. This assembly loosens after awhile, and I re-tighten it every few weeks. I plan on using a castle nut and drilled bolt in exchange for the nylon self-locker and undrilled bolt. This way I can adjust to some degree the tightness of the clamping pressure, and maybe not have to retighten every so often. Maybe an extra drilled hole in the bolt will allow some fine- tuning of the clamping pressure, or perhaps a thin washer will do the trick. Hey, Deke, I landed in your back yard with no problems, didn't I? : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/545 hrs On Jul 8, 2008, at 1:26 PM, fox5flyer wrote: > > > Good points Lowell. Here's my opinion. > A simple solution for the lighter tail Foxes would be to buy the > three leaf unit and remove the center leaf and go with the main and > helper leaves. There is no way the two mains should be bolted front > and back because they need to move independently on hard landings. > By using a main and helper it would be simple to just cut and taper > the helper to terminate a short distance from the tailwheel bolt > thereby giving it room to move independently of the main. The > heavier Foxes would probably be better with all three leaves, but > each should be able to move independently. > Deke Morisse > Mikado Michigan > S5/Subaru/CAP 377+ TT > "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but > progress." > - Joseph Joubert > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring > ...snip > >> >> Here is the opinion part. If the only spring available for >> replacement is the three spring unit. I am tempted to use them >> one at a time and then plan on replacing them periodically. Or >> more likely cutting the springs to give a system like I had, >> essentially giving a tapering effect to the structure. How often >> do we see motor vehicles on the side of the road with broken leaf >> springs. >> >> Lowell >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob noffs" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:51 AM >> Subject: Kitfox-List: tailwheel leaf spring >> >> >> hi all, with all the tailwheel talk lately i want to throw out a >> question as i am debating this with my project [fisher dakota >> hawk]............. i read of a ''one tail spring'' installation >> failure and and a and p suggested replacing the one spring >> installation ''just before it breaks!'' so one spring sounds >> risky. i found a ''spring place;; in colorado that will supply >> untreated material to be formed, then heat treat it for me to leaf >> spring specs. sooooooooo my question is ''what is the opinion of >> safety and single spring installations?'' >> bob noffs >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:40 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail wheel leaf spring. The elongated hole has some merit, but how would you allow for the necessary movement between the two leaves when tightening up the tailwheel bolt to the springs? Those things need to be pretty tight. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 377+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ----- Original Message ----- From: bob noffs To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheel leaf spring. hi lowell, thanks for the reply and good info. right now my tailwheel is matco and 2 leaf springs. the springs are attached with thru bolts at the fuselage end and at the wheel. my thought would be to replace 2 leaf springs with 3 , each of 1/10'' thickness. this should be more flexible than 2 of each 1/4''. also, one leaf must be firmly attached to the matco wheel but the other 2 could have an elongated hole which would allow them so slide a bit against each other, allowing more flex. maybe a paper thin matreial like delrin between them. i guess i am sold on 2 leaf redundancy but i would like to put more flex in the spring setup. i dont know if the spring shop supplies any other thickness than 1/4 and 1/10. bob noffs ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:29 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: tailwheel leaf spring > From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] > Oops, one important problem with your mast/tree analogy...there's > nothing hanging off the very top of the mast/tree. In the airplane > scenario, we've got our asses hanging (sort of) off the end of that > mast/tree. Hey! You don't know where my ass is hanging from in the Norwegian woods, Lynn! :-) Seriously, I am always amazed to see engineer constructions where weight and strenght are optimized in beams and structures. I only observe that the original Kitfox spring leaf is an evenly thick and wide bent piece of metal. Anyone can then guess where it is most likely to break. Maybe a better design than the even leaf would be better for the strenght/weight ratio. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:03 PM PST US From: "bob noffs" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail wheel leaf spring. deke, i figured the elongated hole had to be large enough to fit over the nut holding one leaf tight to the wheel. i dont nearly have the answers yet but i am thinking anyway. bob boffs ----- Original Message ----- From: fox5flyer To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail wheel leaf spring. The elongated hole has some merit, but how would you allow for the necessary movement between the two leaves when tightening up the tailwheel bolt to the springs? Those things need to be pretty tight. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 377+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ----- Original Message ----- From: bob noffs To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheel leaf spring. hi lowell, thanks for the reply and good info. right now my tailwheel is matco and 2 leaf springs. the springs are attached with thru bolts at the fuselage end and at the wheel. my thought would be to replace 2 leaf springs with 3 , each of 1/10'' thickness. this should be more flexible than 2 of each 1/4''. also, one leaf must be firmly attached to the matco wheel but the other 2 could have an elongated hole which would allow them so slide a bit against each other, allowing more flex. maybe a paper thin matreial like delrin between them. i guess i am sold on 2 leaf redundancy but i would like to put more flex in the spring setup. i dont know if the spring shop supplies any other thickness than 1/4 and 1/10. bob noffs href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:14 PM PST US From: steve shinabery Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel set Up OK Guys here is a picture of my problem...the top leaf that I am holding,is the single leaf that I took off my KF2...OK every one following me?now the bottom 2 leafs are the ones that I bought from Kitfox.and I left the 3 leaf off..OK?now see the different angle?? see how much different??this is why I can not control My KF2 on the ground.ALL SO i TOOK THE Maul Tail wheel apart.and lubed and greased it all up.and now it is locking back in to place.the tail wheel was not locking in to place befor but now it is..BUT now the angle has me stumped ,on what to do.. :-\ all so would it be better for me to use 1 main spring and the helper spring together.instead of the 2 leaf springs??I am new to all of this.KITFOX tail wheel problems.And I need all of your advice....Thanks Again STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 with the little but mighty 582 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:51 PM PST US From: steve shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel set Up steve shinabery wrote: > OK Guys here is a picture of my problem...the top leaf that I am > holding,is the single leaf that I took off my KF2...OK every one > following me?now the bottom 2 leafs are the ones that I bought from > Kitfox.and I left the 3 leaf off..OK?now see the different angle?? see > how much different??this is why I can not control My KF2 on the > ground.ALL SO i TOOK THE Maul Tail wheel apart.and lubed and greased > it all up.and now it is locking back in to place.the tail wheel was > not locking in to place befor but now it is..BUT now the angle has me > stumped ,on what to do.. :-\ all so would it be better for me to use 1 > main spring and the helper spring together.instead of the 2 leaf > springs??I am new to all of this.KITFOX tail wheel problems.And I need > all of your advice....Thanks Again STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 > with the little but mighty 582 > > > 270.4.6/1540 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 6:33 AM > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > All so Guys,,this kitfox2 ,all so all ready once had the tail wheel broke off,and the rudder replaced at that time.befor I owned it..this is why I want to go to the 2 or 3 leaf spring set up..I want to do alot more off airport landings..I have all so put the new Tundra Tires+new Matco rims and brakes on to my KF2..so I want to change the tail wheel.befor it gets broke off again.and a bigger repair bill..Thanks STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:05 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Temporary strut fairing From: "Tom Jones" Well the wind finally quit blowing in windy Ellensburg this morning so I was able to test the wood strut fairing attached with duct tape. Near as I can tell true air speed at 4000 feet DA and 5800 RPM increased from 78 mph to 82 mph. Climb rate did not change. The biggest supprise to me was the sink rate at a 50 to 55 mph approach speed decreased a lot. I made my normal close in base to final and over shot the first two runway exits. I tried a second landing and was way high over the threshold again. Is there a logical reason for this or do I just need to learn to fly again? -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191833#191833 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:45 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: tailwheel leaf spring On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote: >> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] >> Oops, one important problem with your mast/tree analogy...there's >> nothing hanging off the very top of the mast/tree. In the airplane >> scenario, we've got our asses hanging (sort of) off the end of that >> mast/tree. > > Hey! You don't know where my ass is hanging from in the Norwegian > woods, Lynn! :-) You're right, and thank goodness I'm lacking in knowledge in THAT department, Michel. : ) > Seriously, I am always amazed to see engineer constructions where > weight and strenght are optimized in beams and structures. I only > observe that the original Kitfox spring leaf is an evenly thick and > wide bent piece of metal. Anyone can then guess where it is most > likely to break. Maybe a better design than the even leaf would be > better for the strenght/weight ratio. I forgot all about the single leaf spring...made by Grove, wasn't it?...and as I recall, they quit making it, right? Now there was a problem waiting to happen, it seems to me. One break and your butt is on the ground. Enter the 2-leaf spring....the main breaks, and your butt is on the ground. Enter the 3-leaf spring...one break and Viola!, you're still rolling on the tailwheel...in most cases. I'm not saying that the 3-leaf spring (2 main leaves) is the end-all in engineering practices, but it beats the other two ideas because it has redundancy, unless I'm missing something. Lynn ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:53 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop From: "PMorel" Help please.... I'm about to make a purchase of an inflight adjustable IVO prop. I have a Model IV Speedster with a Rotax 912 80hp. The question I have is what length prop is used with this setup? They seem to range between 52" to 74" . This is confusing to me. Any help in sorting this out would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Paul Morel Locust Grove, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191839#191839 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:38 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop 68 Inch Zero Plus Clint> Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop> From: pmorel@bellsouth.net> Date: Tu e=2C 8 Jul 2008 15:49:13 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox -List message posted by: "PMorel" > > Help please.... > > I'm about to make a purchase of an inflight adjustable IVO prop. I have a Model IV Speedster with a Rotax 912 80hp. The question I have is what le ngth prop is used with this setup? They seem to range between 52" to 74" . This is confusing to me. Any help in sorting this out would be greatly appr eciated.> > Thanks> Paul Morel> Locust Grove=2C GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191839#19183 ===========> > > Doctor Zhivago ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:28 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Just remember that once you install an inflight adjustable prop your fox will never qualify for light sport again. While you might not be worried about that it might effect the resale value of your plane. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PMorel Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Help please.... I'm about to make a purchase of an inflight adjustable IVO prop. I have a Model IV Speedster with a Rotax 912 80hp. The question I have is what length prop is used with this setup? They seem to range between 52" to 74" . This is confusing to me. Any help in sorting this out would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Paul Morel Locust Grove, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191839#191839 ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:47 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel spring I think that this question has been asked but=2C Has there ever been a broken tail wheel spring using a pneumatic tail wheel ? If this is true=2C the answer is simple. Clint ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:21 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop In your aircraft log on prop. Use IvoProp electric adjustable. Don't say inflight adjustable. Later=2C you can put the switch some where else whic h makes it ground adjustable=2C electric. Clint > From: kirkhull@kc.rr.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kit fox-List: IVO Prop> Date: Tue=2C 8 Jul 2008 18:06:01 -0500> > --> Kitfox-Li st message posted by: "kirk hull" > > Just remember tha t once you install an inflight adjustable prop your fox> will never qualify for light sport again. While you might not be worried> about that it might effect the resale value of your plane.> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PMorel> Sent: Tuesday=2C July 08=2C 2008 5: 49 PM> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PMorel" > > Help ple ase....> > I'm about to make a purchase of an inflight adjustable IVO prop. I have a> Model IV Speedster with a Rotax 912 80hp. The question I have is what> length prop is used with this setup? They seem to range between 52" to 74"> . This is confusing to me. Any help in sorting this out would be gr eatly> appreciated.> > Thanks> Paul Morel> Locust Grove=2C GA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=1 ========================> _ ================> > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:35 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel set Up Steve- Here's a picture of my tailwheel setup, using all three leaves as sold by Kitfox. I drew a line through the spindle. See how the lines hits the ground ahead of the tailwheel contact point with the ground? This is the principle of castering. If the projected line through the spindle makes "contact" with the ground ahead of...forward of...where the tailwheel contacts the ground, the tailwheel will follow the aircraft...or the car, or the shopping cart, etc....the principle is the same for all. Looking at your picture, I don't see a problem with the angle of the spring. Unless you have a different Maule tailwheel setup than mine, it should work the same as mine, which is perfect...even with me at the controls. Have you tried to taxi it after lubing everything? If it was me, I'd try the two main leaves like you have shown in the picture, grease between the leaves, bolt on the tailwheel assembly just tight enough to clamp everything together, but still allow the bolt and nut to be turned with some force (how much?...I dunno, you'll have to try it). Bounce the rear end up and down, and see if the spring flexes. If it does, try to taxi with it. It should work fine. But be sure that the "projected line through the center of the spindle makes contact in FRONT of the tailwheel contact point." Like I preach whenever the subject comes up, I suggest using the two main leaves AT LEAST, and the helper/booster leaf if you prefer. (Think where you'll be if you go with only one main leaf, and that main leaf breaks.) This is what I have, and my 'fox weighed 43 pounds at initial weigh-in. It's probably 44 by now, with the extra leaf and longer bolts, spacers, etc. By the way, have you got the original Maule wheel....the hard one, that is too heavy (my opinion) for our planes? If so, I'd get the Homebuilder's Tailwheel from Spruce...you know the address. Lynn On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:25 PM, steve shinabery wrote: > OK Guys here is a picture of my problem...the top leaf that I am > holding,is the single leaf that I took off my KF2...OK every one > following me?now the bottom 2 leafs are the ones that I bought from > Kitfox.and I left the 3 leaf off..OK?now see the different angle?? > see how much different??this is why I can not control My KF2 on the > ground.ALL SO i TOOK THE Maul Tail wheel apart.and lubed and > greased it all up.and now it is locking back in to place.the tail > wheel was not locking in to place befor but now it is..BUT now the > angle has me stumped ,on what to do.. :-\ all so would it be better > for me to use 1 main spring and the helper spring together.instead > of the 2 leaf springs??I am new to all of this.KITFOX tail wheel > problems.And I need all of your advice....Thanks Again STEVE > SHINABERY N554KF KF2 with the little but mighty 582 > > ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:08 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Temporary strut fairing Is the fairing "streamlined," that is, in line with the line of flight? If not, could it be providing lift, maybe? Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/545 hrs On Jul 8, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Tom Jones wrote: > > Well the wind finally quit blowing in windy Ellensburg this morning > so I was able to test the wood strut fairing attached with duct tape. > > Near as I can tell true air speed at 4000 feet DA and 5800 RPM > increased from 78 mph to 82 mph. Climb rate did not change. > > The biggest supprise to me was the sink rate at a 50 to 55 mph > approach speed decreased a lot. I made my normal close in base to > final and over shot the first two runway exits. I tried a second > landing and was way high over the threshold again. Is there a > logical reason for this or do I just need to learn to fly again? > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191833#191833 > > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:31 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Temporary strut fairing From: "Tom Jones" > Is the fairing "streamlined," that is, in line with the line of > flight? If not, could it be providing lift, maybe? > > Lynn Matteson Lynn, the fairing is aligned with front and rear struts which are aligned with the bottom of the wing. The airplane attitude at approach speed is nose high so You may be right. Producing a little lift. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191849#191849 ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:13 PM PST US From: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop I have the same airplane/engine and use the IVO 70" Ultralight/Patriot blades. I've flown it for over 900 hours and is proving to be one of the best investments I've made in the aircraft. Don't worry about what the guys are saying about not being able to revert back to Light Sport. I thought about it when the new classification came out and then decided to just go ahead and enjoy the aircraft and worry about that when it happens, if it ever does. Purchase the prop through Kitfox (as far as I know, they're still a distributor) and get their adapter to run the wires through the gearbox to put the brushes inside the engine compartment--keeps them dry and they last a lot longer (smaller radius to turn), as in forever. Go for it!!! Stan Specht Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine" 49 states and 1300+ hours on a 912ul Denver, Colorado **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:16 PM PST US From: "Frank Miles" Subject: Kitfox-List: Subaru Engine Our EAA Chapter was recently given a Subaru engine, EJ22, complete with a re-drive/ reduction unit. I know nothing about these engines and know less about this one. We have no idea how much time may be on the engine but the re-drive is brand new. The re-drive has been mounted on the engine but the engine was never mounted on a plane. I understand that the party that gave it to us determined that the total unit was too heavy for his aircraft and thus gave it to the EAA chapter and he went with something else. The EAA chapter wants to sell it for any reasonable amount. If anyone is interested in this I will try to get more information and can get you pictures that may explain more than I can. The engine is located at Lewiston, Idaho. Contact me directly via email or by phone, 208 305 7450. Frank Miles ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:11 PM PST US From: "Paul Morel" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Thanks Stan and everyone else for the reply. I now have more information than what I started with and will help in the decision making. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop I have the same airplane/engine and use the IVO 70" Ultralight/Patriot blades. I've flown it for over 900 hours and is proving to be one of the best investments I've made in the aircraft. Don't worry about what the guys are saying about not being able to revert back to Light Sport. I thought about it when the new classification came out and then decided to just go ahead and enjoy the aircraft and worry about that when it happens, if it ever does. Purchase the prop through Kitfox (as far as I know, they're still a distributor) and get their adapter to run the wires through the gearbox to put the brushes inside the engine compartment--keeps them dry and they last a lot longer (smaller radius to turn), as in forever. Go for it!!! Stan Specht Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine" 49 states and 1300+ hours on a 912ul Denver, Colorado ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Gas prices getting you down? 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