---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/09/08: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:22 AM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle (Ryan Wheeler) 2. 05:44 AM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install (rawheels) 3. 07:06 AM - firewall dimentions needed (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 4. 08:05 AM - Re: firewall dimentions needed (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 5. 08:13 AM - Re: Tail Wheel set Up (Guy Buchanan) 6. 08:37 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (Don McIntosh) 7. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan) 8. 09:19 AM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (n85ae) 9. 09:34 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 07/03/08 (jlno7@aim.com) 10. 10:24 AM - Hard Baggage System (Kyle) 11. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (patrick reilly) 12. 10:56 AM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (n85ae) 13. 11:53 AM - GSC prop pitch angle (Kyle) 14. 11:53 AM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (JetPilot) 15. 12:41 PM - Re: GSC prop pitch angle (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 16. 12:55 PM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (Randy Daughenbaugh) 17. 01:15 PM - Re: GSC prop pitch angle (Kyle) 18. 01:43 PM - Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? (n85ae) 19. 01:56 PM - Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle (Marco Menezes) 20. 01:57 PM - Re: GSC prop pitch angle (Roger Standley) 21. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys) 22. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan) 23. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys) 24. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: GSC prop pitch angle (Noel Loveys) 25. 07:52 PM - Re: Tail Wheel set Up (dave) 26. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: GSC prop pitch angle (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:23 AM PST US From: Ryan Wheeler Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle Thanks, I'll have to go back to the airport tonight and check if one of my carbs has the tapped hole for the fitting.=0A-=0AIs it the normal Kitfox set-up to have the regular vent tubes installed?- Any known issues with t he vent tube being right above the exhaust? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:55 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install From: "rawheels" Thanks, I'll have to go back to the airport tonight and check if one of my carbs has the tapped hole for the fitting. Is it the normal Kitfox set-up to have the regular vent tubes installed? Any known issues with the vent tube being right above the exhaust? msm_9949(at)yahoo.com wrote: > Ryan, > > You could just replace the original vents with expensive Rotax parts or make your own from some of that skinny tubing that's currently hanging there. The HACman system is a great mod, in my opinion. It's cheap, easy to install and allows you to control mixture in-flight, adjust EGT's to more optimal levels at any power setting. Might require some machining on one of your carbs. > > Check it out at www.greenskyadventures.com (http://www.greenskyadventures.com) > > Marco Menezes N99KX > Model 2 582-90 C-Box > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191929#191929 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:29 AM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: Kitfox-List: firewall dimentions needed Hi all=2C hope you don't get tired of me with my questions and requests fo r info. On my Kitfox 4 Classic=2C it was not purchased with the firewall f orward kit and so now I'm about to build the firewall myself. My question is this: could someone measure and give me the distance down from the top o r center motor mount bolts to the step in the fire wall that gives more roo m for the rudder pedals=2C and the angle and distance it steps out? I don' t have the mount yet and the step comes close to some of the tubes on the m ount and ofcourse has to clear them. I will probably buy the engine mount from Kitfox but I don't have it yet. Thanks=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:35 AM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: firewall dimentions needed I suppose I should have said I was going to be useing a 912 engine. I real ized that I hadn't mentioned it just after I hit the send button. Sorry=2C Jim Chuk From: thesupe@hotmail.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: firewall dimentions neededDate: Wed=2C 9 Jul 2008 14:00:07 +0000 Hi all=2C hope you don't get tired of me with my questions and requests fo r info. On my Kitfox 4 Classic=2C it was not purchased with the firewall f orward kit and so now I'm about to build the firewall myself. My question is this: could someone measure and give me the distance down from the top o r center motor mount bolts to the step in the fire wall that gives more roo m for the rudder pedals=2C and the angle and distance it steps out? I don' t have the mount yet and the step comes close to some of the tubes on the m ount and ofcourse has to clear them. I will probably buy the engine mount from Kitfox but I don't have it yet. Thanks=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Making the world a better place one message at a time. Check out the i'm Ta lkathon. _________________________________________________________________ The i=92m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:56 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel set Up At 02:25 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote: >OK?now see the different angle?? see how much different?? Steve, The bend looks quite different, but the angle looks very similar. (That is, the angle the tailwheel assemble sits at.) Certainly it doesn't look so different as to cause problems. It does, though, look as though the tailwheel's moved forward a couple of inches, dramatically increasing the angle of the control cables between the rudder and the tailwheel. It may be that you're not getting the leverage you used to and need stiffer tailwheel springs. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade 100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:36 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings From: "Don McIntosh" Bob, Just for info, PolyFiber does not mix the colors at the factory anymore - the individual dealers do. It is just like buying paint from Home Depot, all they get is the base mixture and then the dealer adds the color tint. I am told Spencer does a better job of this than ACS (but this just may be a rumor I am spreading!) -------- Don McIntosh Kitfox Series 7 under construction Jabiru 3300 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191953#191953 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:07 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings Thanks Don. I'm still waiting for the color chart from ACS and I hope there is a good match on there for my airplane. If the paint they send me doesn't match the color chart - it goes back! Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McIntosh Sent: 09 July 2008 11:35 am Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings Bob, Just for info, PolyFiber does not mix the colors at the factory anymore - the individual dealers do. It is just like buying paint from Home Depot, all they get is the base mixture and then the dealer adds the color tint. I am told Spencer does a better job of this than ACS (but this just may be a rumor I am spreading!) -------- Don McIntosh Kitfox Series 7 under construction Jabiru 3300 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191953#191953 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:46 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? From: "n85ae" The Kitfox with the flaperons can handle some very windy conditions, more so than the typical light plane. The downside of course is that pilot confidence from then can get you into deep trouble. I flew mine in a lot of wind, and got too confident. Here's what happened. I flew home from Michigan with a Low pressure coming in from the North West with a lot of gusty northerly wind developing. My airport has an East/West runway. I opted to give landing a shot with a gusty direct crosswind somewhere in the 25kt. range. The approach was a bit hairy but seemed ok. My alternative if this failed was to fly to a nearby airport with a north/south oriented runway. Everything looked fine until touchdown and a gust lifted the upwind wing. I got it down, but almost immediately lost control with the rudder and did a fast tire smoking 270 degree turn off into the grass. Right in front of the airport restaraunt at lunch time. No damage done, other than to my pride. But scared the crap out of me. Moral of the story, if it's gusty and crosswindy fly 5 miles to the other airport. Jeff. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191959#191959 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:20 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 07/03/08 From: jlno7@aim.com I need to get a rudder bushing for my Kitfox One.? Can I get the plastic bushing at a hardware store?? I think it is neoprem and 3/8" ID or do I need to get it from a aircraft catalog and pay shipping. Jerry Novak N299JK -----Original Message----- From: Kitfox-List Digest Server Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:58 pm Subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 07/03/08 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Kitfox-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 08-07-03&Archive=Kitfox Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 08-07-03&Archive=Kitfox =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/03/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:31 AM - Re: Radiator scoop (dave) 2. 04:36 AM - Re: Performance stats for a Model II (dave) 3. 04:48 AM - Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (dave) 4. 05:16 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (Catz631@aol.com) 5. 05:27 AM - Re: Radiator scoop (Catz631@aol.com) 6. 07:16 AM - Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan) 7. 07:49 AM - Kitfox-II - Radiator Bracket Separation (Joe & Jan Connell) 8. 08:26 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (Lynn Matteson) 9. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (Kevin Ridsdale) 10. 10:10 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (Bob Brennan) 11. 10:20 AM - Tire Balance (Mike Chaney) 12. 10:35 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (kerrimikehickman@aol.com) 13. 11:04 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan) 14. 11:10 AM - Re: Tire Balance (Bob Brennan) 15. 11:14 AM - Re: Tire Balance (Lowell Fitt) 16. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 17. 11:17 AM - Re: Tire Balance (kitfoxmike) 18. 11:20 AM - Re: Tire Balance (kitfoxmike) 19. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (Kevin Ridsdale) 20. 04:12 PM - Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys) 21. 05:44 PM - Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan) 22. 07:24 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Coolant (JetPilot) 23. 08:08 PM - Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Radiator scoop From: "dave" Rad scoop pic look great guys. Now the questions -- what did you gain or lose in speed and coolant temps ? Did you seal the rad to the scoop? Makes a differance you know in cooling. read my previous posts on cowl mods......... just look at that design how the hot air from the engine dumps directly into the rad.......... http://www.cfisher.com/cowl.html -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191035#191035 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:52 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Performance stats for a Model II From: "dave" One more thing that most do not consider is that Skystar chopped the Rotax exhaust up and the 582s are likely to see 55 to 58 HP only not the 65 HP that the 582 is advertised as having. IF you followed my older posts from last fall I did alot of experimenting with the 582 exhaust. I gained HP !! with stock exhaust by lengthening the header pipe and the 90 degree elbow. Only problem is that it is tight in there already to keep that pipe enclosed. I have also built some tuned pipes and they work even better. I have only flown on wheels and skis with these pipes and not on floats yet. Hopefully floats go on soon . MY 582 have over 480 hours now and never been apart since new in June 2006. That being said it could blow apart on next flight as could any engine or prop. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191037#191037 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:56 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes From: "dave" Kevin at MIPPI might still have some tubes left over. I bought and sold alot of his inventory and only have a few sets of King fox tires left now but they are not for sale. I do not use tubes and have no leaks. Use a good bead sealer available at most tires shops. If you do not know what you are doing or don't have a bead breaker tool then pay someone r -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191043#191043 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:58 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock Lynn, My Kitfox is located in my hanger at an airpark in Fl. I can fly it every day if I want to but it is too hot now so I have escaped to my cabin in the N.C. mountains for a week or so. No place to tow my Kitfox up here. We have lots of mountains(ok, hills for you guys living in the Rockies) and very few airports. When I do come up here with the airplane,I will fly it up. Besides,I will fly it when I get back.I am not having much luck getting a hanger up here. Like most of the US,hangers are at a premium! Lowell , thanks for your input . I had not thought of letting the oil cool then pumping it back into the tank prior to periods of non use. That should slow the siphoning action a bit. I'll give it a shot By the way I read an article in the defunct SkyStar magazine about the siphoning effect in the Kitfox with the 912. It offered no solution other then to always check the oil and "burp" the tank. It too said the high oil tank position was the problem. Wish we had a magazine like that still available with "tips" & "techniques" but then I guess that's what this email form is for. Thanks for the replies ! Dick Maddux Fox4-1200 Pensacola,Fl **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:44 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator scoop Yodaone, Thanks for the pictures. You have done a "super deluxe" job on that scoop.It looks great ! I will pattern my installation after yours.My only question is(and you guessed it) where did you get the scoop to floor fasteners.That is a nice clean installation. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Pensacola,Fl **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:11 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are painted on, not decals. The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft". So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-. So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)? Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:12 AM PST US From: "Joe & Jan Connell" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox-II - Radiator Bracket Separation Guys, I have an early Kitfox-II with a Rotax 582 with 275 hours. This morning on post flight inspection, I found one of the radiator attachment brackets had had separated from the radiator. Have any of you experienced this kind of failure? I think I'll have to remove the radiator and have the bracket either soldered or brazed back on to the radiator. This heating process could introduce leaks elsewhere. Another idea would be to install a clamp with rubber pads to hold the radiator. I'm open to your advice or suggestions... Joe Connell N62JK #399 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:46 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock I'm lucky enough to have a hangar 4 miles from home. After putting the plane on the trailer last night, I had second thoughts about having to untrailer it, fly for 4 days at the most, then load it up again, and come home, untrailer it, and breathe a sigh of relief. When I hear of guys who have to keep theirs at home and trailer it to fly, I've got a lot of respect for their stick-to-it-ivness. The only time I've had to trailer mine so far is to be weighed, and it rained the whole 36 mile round-trip. Having to tape up the t'deck hole was a bear! This weekend is supposed to clear, so maybe I'l get lucky. I'll still tape the big hole shut, but I won't be quite so anal about keeping the raindrops out, just the road dust or possible mist. And if it wasn't for having to get a ride from the campsite to the flying field each and every time I wanted to fly, I'd just fly the plane up there and pitch a tent. When my daughter bailed out at the last minute (from driving the motorhome up there), I decided to trailer the plane, instead of leaving it home....after all, we are celebrating "Independence" Day, aren't we? And I'm just stubborn enough to be totally independent of others when I have to. : ) And for those that haven't trailered their Kitfoxs yet, it's not that big a chore, and it can be done alone, but it sure is nice to not have to do it....especially when the weather plays a part. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/541 hrs do not archive On Jul 3, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote: > Lynn, > My Kitfox is located in my hanger at an airpark in Fl. I can fly > it every day if I want to but it is too hot now so I have escaped > to my cabin in the N.C. mountains for a week or so. No place to tow > my Kitfox up here. We have lots of mountains(ok, hills for you guys > living in the Rockies) and very few airports. When I do come up > here with the airplane,I will fly it up. Besides,I will fly it when > I get back.I am not having much luck getting a hanger up here. Like > most of the US,hangers are at a premium! > Lowell , thanks for your input . I had not thought of letting the > oil cool then pumping it back into the tank prior to periods of non > use. That should slow the siphoning action a bit. I'll give it a shot > By the way I read an article in the defunct SkyStar magazine about > the siphoning effect in the Kitfox with the 912. It offered no > solution other then to always check the oil and "burp" the tank. It > too said the high oil tank position was the problem. Wish we had a > magazine like that still available with "tips" & "techniques" but > then I guess that's what this email form is for. > Thanks for the replies ! > Dick Maddux > Fox4-1200 > Pensacola,Fl > > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient > used cars. > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > ========================================================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:07 AM PST US From: Kevin Ridsdale Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes Mippi Ultalights can still provide tubes, however the only payment we are accepting at this time is Pay Pal. Please send your request to ksridsdale@mipowerparachutes.com Kevin 734-377-2670 dave wrote: Kevin at MIPPI might still have some tubes left over. I bought and sold alot of his inventory and only have a few sets of King fox tires left now but they are not for sale. I do not use tubes and have no leaks. Use a good bead sealer available at most tires shops. If you do not know what you are doing or don't have a bead breaker tool then pay someone r -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191043#191043 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:24 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock May I ask what kind of trailer you use Lynn? I have towed my Kitfox a few miles using the towbar attachment but am reluctant to put too many miles on the plane's tiny bearings. I plan to trailer it now on a 21ft car trailer, with ramps and an electric winch to get it up to the platform. But I had the trailer for other reasons, so I am wondering how other Kitfoxers "trailer" their planes around.(?) Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: 03 July 2008 11:24 am Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock I'm lucky enough to have a hangar 4 miles from home. After putting the plane on the trailer last night, I had second thoughts about having to untrailer it, fly for 4 days at the most, then load it up again, and come home, untrailer it, and breathe a sigh of relief. When I hear of guys who have to keep theirs at home and trailer it to fly, I've got a lot of respect for their stick-to-it-ivness. The only time I've had to trailer mine so far is to be weighed, and it rained the whole 36 mile round-trip. Having to tape up the t'deck hole was a bear! This weekend is supposed to clear, so maybe I'l get lucky. I'll still tape the big hole shut, but I won't be quite so anal about keeping the raindrops out, just the road dust or possible mist. And if it wasn't for having to get a ride from the campsite to the flying field each and every time I wanted to fly, I'd just fly the plane up there and pitch a tent. When my daughter bailed out at the last minute (from driving the motorhome up there), I decided to trailer the plane, instead of leaving it home....after all, we are celebrating "Independence" Day, aren't we? And I'm just stubborn enough to be totally independent of others when I have to. : ) And for those that haven't trailered their Kitfoxs yet, it's not that big a chore, and it can be done alone, but it sure is nice to not have to do it....especially when the weather plays a part. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/541 hrs do not archive On Jul 3, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote: > Lynn, > My Kitfox is located in my hanger at an airpark in Fl. I can fly > it every day if I want to but it is too hot now so I have escaped > to my cabin in the N.C. mountains for a week or so. No place to tow > my Kitfox up here. We have lots of mountains(ok, hills for you guys > living in the Rockies) and very few airports. When I do come up > here with the airplane,I will fly it up. Besides,I will fly it when > I get back.I am not having much luck getting a hanger up here. Like > most of the US,hangers are at a premium! > Lowell , thanks for your input . I had not thought of letting the > oil cool then pumping it back into the tank prior to periods of non > use. That should slow the siphoning action a bit. I'll give it a shot > By the way I read an article in the defunct SkyStar magazine about > the siphoning effect in the Kitfox with the 912. It offered no > solution other then to always check the oil and "burp" the tank. It > too said the high oil tank position was the problem. Wish we had a > magazine like that still available with "tips" & "techniques" but > then I guess that's what this email form is for. > Thanks for the replies ! > Dick Maddux > Fox4-1200 > Pensacola,Fl > > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient > used cars. > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > ========================================================== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:12 AM PST US From: Mike Chaney Subject: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance - I have just installed my third set of tires on my Kitfox.- I have never h ad the tires balanced in the past and have never found the need.- However , I am noticing that right after lift off it feels like there is some vibra tion either in the gear or the tires.- I suppose this could be due to poo r take off technique and-I'm leavining the ground a bit uncoordinated (no sarcastic comments please) or the tires need balancing.- The vibration e nds after about twenty seconds or so.- I began noticing this right after I installed the new tires. - Any comments would be appreciated.- If in fact the tires need balancing i s there any way I can balance the tires myself or would-I need to take th em off and take them to a tire dealer. - Mike=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings From: kerrimikehickman@aol.com View full size Black is beautiful...the flags are attitude. Mike H. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Brennan Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:13 am Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are painted on, not decals. The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft". So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-. So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)? Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa [Image Removed] ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:18 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings How much do you charge to do that for real Mike? ;-) bob _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrimikehickman@aol.com Sent: 03 July 2008 1:33 pm Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings View full size Black is beautiful...the flags are attitude. Mike H. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Brennan Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:13 am Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are painted on, not decals. The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft". So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-. So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)? Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa [Image Removed] _____ The Famous, the infamous, the lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now ! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:08 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance "The vibration ends after about twenty seconds or so." Can we assume that the tires (both?) are rotating for 20 seconds and then stop? If so does the vibration rate slow as the tires slow? Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Chaney Sent: 03 July 2008 1:17 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance I have just installed my third set of tires on my Kitfox. I have never had the tires balanced in the past and have never found the need. However, I am noticing that right after lift off it feels like there is some vibration either in the gear or the tires. I suppose this could be due to poor take off technique and I'm leavining the ground a bit uncoordinated (no sarcastic comments please) or the tires need balancing. The vibration ends after about twenty seconds or so. I began noticing this right after I installed the new tires. Any comments would be appreciated. If in fact the tires need balancing is there any way I can balance the tires myself or would I need to take them off and take them to a tire dealer. Mike D======================= ======== D======================= ======== D======================= ======== D======================= ======== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:25 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance Mike, I would get that effect also. Try tapping the brakes to stop wheel rotation after lift off to see if if affects it. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Chaney" Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance I have just installed my third set of tires on my Kitfox. I have never had the tires balanced in the past and have never found the need. However, I am noticing that right after lift off it feels like there is some vibration either in the gear or the tires. I suppose this could be due to poor take off technique and I'm leavining the ground a bit uncoordinated (no sarcastic comments please) or the tires need balancing. The vibration ends after about twenty seconds or so. I began noticing this right after I installed the new tires. Any comments would be appreciated. If in fact the tires need balancing is there any way I can balance the tires myself or would I need to take them off and take them to a tire dealer. Mike ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:04 AM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes Hi Kevin=2C I thried the link=2C but it didn't work. What do you want for two tubes pluss shipping to Mn 55719? You can email me back at thesupe@ hotmail.com thanks=2C Jim Chuk do not archive Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & TubesTo: kitfox-list@matro nics.com Mippi Ultalights can still provide tubes=2C however the only payment we are accepting at this time is Pay Pal. Please send your request to ksridsdale@mipowerparachutes.com Kevin 734-377-2670dave wrote: ome tubes left over. I bought and sold alot of his inventory and only have a few sets of King fox tires left now but they are not for sale. I do not u se tubes and have no leaks. Use a good bead sealer available at most tires shops. If you do not know what you are doing or don't have a bead breaker t ool then pay someone r--------Rotax Dealer=2C Ontario CanadaFlying Videos a nd Kitfox _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGL M_Mobile_Zune_V3 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tire Balance From: "kitfoxmike" what makes you think the tires are any different than an automobile. I just installed new tires yesterday and had them balanced, They both took over 2 ounces on each tire. Nice and smooth after take off. Oh and before I started balancing my tires, it had a very bad shake on take off. My advice, get them balanced. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191116#191116 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:36 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tire Balance From: "kitfoxmike" lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote: > Mike, > > I would get that effect also. Try tapping the brakes to stop wheel rotation > after lift off to see if if affects it. > > Lowell > > --- I have my wheels turn forever after take off, with them balanced it is smooth as can be. I can remember my tires before balancing and I always had to hit the brakes, what a pain. Now I just take off and forget about it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191117#191117 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:02 PM PST US From: Kevin Ridsdale Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes Correction to the email address ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com Tubes for tires shipped within the Continental USA is $54.00 --- Kevin Ridsdale wrote: > Mippi Ultalights can still provide tubes, however > the only payment we are accepting at this time is > Pay Pal. Please send your request to > ksridsdale@mipowerparachutes.com > > Kevin 734-377-2670 > > dave wrote: > > Kevin at MIPPI might still have some tubes left > over. I bought and sold alot of his inventory and > only have a few sets of King fox tires left now but > they are not for sale. > > I do not use tubes and have no leaks. Use a good > bead sealer available at most tires shops. If you do > not know what you are doing or don't have a bead > breaker tool then pay someone r > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > Flying Videos and Kitfox Info > http://www.cfisher.com/ > Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet > chatter from the truth > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191043#191043 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:14 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings I don't know if you guys have trim line auto decals in your neck of the woods. Make your own grapohic and e-mail it as an attachment to your nearest auto detailer and by the time you get to their office you should have your decals. A single coat of yellow dope, the same kind as the base colour will help hide the letters. I'm thinking you could have decals made up of the Stars and Stripes to cover the G-B That leaves you with SMO (Small Mighty & Ornery!) I'm going to include a couple of pictures of decals I had made up for my baby. I think the total cost was less thatn $10 CDN and that was when out buck was worth a lot less than it is today. This is what the decal I e-mailed to the graphics company looked like (reduced in size a bit for the dial up guys) beothuckTEXTURE2sm.JPG This is what it looks like on the vertical stab. P003728sm.jpg Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A 582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are painted on, not decals. The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft". So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-. So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)? Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:40 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings That's the best suggestion yet Noel, and I see Aircraft Spruce has quite a few at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/flagplacards.php I also found some actual Kitfox logo decals at http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Decals/Logos.html that look interesting. Where would I get yellow dope to match what's on the plane? And black (black should be easy to match!)? Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys Sent: 03 July 2008 7:09 pm Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings I don't know if you guys have trim line auto decals in your neck of the woods. Make your own grapohic and e-mail it as an attachment to your nearest auto detailer and by the time you get to their office you should have your decals. A single coat of yellow dope, the same kind as the base colour will help hide the letters. I'm thinking you could have decals made up of the Stars and Stripes to cover the G-B That leaves you with SMO (Small Mighty & Ornery!) I'm going to include a couple of pictures of decals I had made up for my baby. I think the total cost was less thatn $10 CDN and that was when out buck was worth a lot less than it is today. This is what the decal I e-mailed to the graphics company looked like (reduced in size a bit for the dial up guys) beothuckTEXTURE2sm.JPG This is what it looks like on the vertical stab. P003728sm.jpg Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A 582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are painted on, not decals. The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft". So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-. So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)? Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:50 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912S Oil and Coolant From: "JetPilot" Dick Maddux wrote: > > > In my case I am now using the new Aeroshell Plus 4 which was designed for the Rotax 912/914 (the primary oil used at Lockwood for thier flight school) > > No way I will use other than Rotax oil filters either after seeing the damage other filters can possibly do to the engine (again during Rotax school) > I use full synthetic Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil, it is more expensive than the Rotax Oil, and is on Rotax recommended list of oils. A good quality full synthetic oil is far Superior and makes the engine last longer than the semisynthetic Rotax oil. The only exception to this rule is if you use 100LL gasoline in your Rotax. The full synthetic will not hold the lead in suspension like dinosaur oil will. 100LL is not great for the 912's, you should not use it unless there is no other alternative. After getting some good advice from another memeber here, and a lot of research on my own to confirm it, I use a Non Rotax oil filter. Using the wrong oil filter will likely damage any engine. If I put the wrong number oil filter on my Honda Civic , it will damage it, but that does not mean I can only use Honda oil filters on my Honda, it just means I better use the right number filter no matter which brand it is. The same is ture for my Rotax, I have to use the correct number and a quality oil filter, but that NOT mean that all non Rotax filters are wrong for the 912's. I dont care about price, but after research of different racing sites, and people that know oil filters, I found the Rotax oil filter is of less than average quality, there are far better oil filters that you can use on your Rotax 912. Like anything in life, if you screw it up, you can cause damage... If done correctly, you can protect your engine far better than the Rotax oil filter does. If you would like to educate yourself on oil filters, read this thread, and the links I posted in the 11th response to the post. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.phpt 821&highlight=oil+filter+purolator Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191187#191187 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:04 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings You only need to know the brand of the finish on there now... If it is PolyFibre then you can get the Polyfibre or Aerothane finish. If it is Randolph then all you need is the butrate dope the same colour. Same thing for Hi-Pec and most of the other finishes... The first thing to do is to find out what is there now. The original owner or the guy you bought it from may be able to help. The Decals are opaque so they can be applied directly over the existing finish without using any dope or paint. Heck you won't even need to sand the finish to apply a decal. Check out the places that make graphics for cars and or trucks. I have used the decals to put registration markings on a couple of planes I worked on. It is just too easy and the marks always go on straight and square. Noel How about just tell the printers you need the white BTW that's close to the original training colours. 050405-F-1234P-132.jpg From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings That's the best suggestion yet Noel, and I see Aircraft Spruce has quite a few at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/flagplacards.php I also found some actual Kitfox logo decals at http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Decals/Logos.html that look interesting. Where would I get yellow dope to match what's on the plane? And black (black should be easy to match!)? Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Hard Baggage System From: "Kyle" Guy, I remember when you posted the info and pictures of your hard baggage system last year. I thought I could go back to it when I got ready. WRONG!!! I've looked and looked and looked and I still can't find that post. If you could post the information and pictures again I sure would appreciate it and I'm sure Chris would appreciate it too. Thanks, -------- Kyle Dunn Eddyville, Kentucky Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax 1978 Cessna 172 N American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax Rotorway Exec. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191973#191973 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:54 AM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? Jeff=2C Thanks for sharing. Sorry I missed the show. Glad to hear you and t he plane weren't hurt. Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing and if you can use the plane again=2C it's a bonus. do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 rebuild Rockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Y our KitFox ???> From: n85ae@yahoo.com> Date: Wed=2C 9 Jul 2008 09:16:43 -07 5ae" > > The Kitfox with the flaperons can handle some ver y windy conditions=2C > more so than the typical light plane. The downside of course is that> pilot confidence from then can get you into deep trouble . I flew mine> in a lot of wind=2C and got too confident. Here's what happe ned.> > I flew home from Michigan with a Low pressure coming in from the> N orth West with a lot of gusty northerly wind developing. My airport> has an East/West runway. I opted to give landing a shot with a gusty> direct cros swind somewhere in the 25kt. range. The approach was a bit> hairy but seeme d ok. My alternative if this failed was to fly to a nearby > airport with a north/south oriented runway. Everything looked fine> until touchdown and a gust lifted the upwind wing. I got it down=2C but> almost immediately lost control with the rudder and did a fast tire smoking 270 degree turn off in to the grass. Right in front of the> airport restaraunt at lunch time.> > N o damage done=2C other than to my pride. But scared the crap out of me.> > Moral of the story=2C if it's gusty and crosswindy fly 5 miles to the other > airport.> > Jeff.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums. > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:01 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? From: "n85ae" I guess the real problem isn't whether the Kitfox can handle wind, it can, and a lot of it. But the margin for error gets pretty slim the more you push it, the more likely you are to bite it one day. As I discovered. So I fly a lot more cautiously now. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191982#191982 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:04 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC prop pitch angle From: "Kyle" I have a 68" GSC three blade prop on my Kitfox IV 1200 w/912UL Rotax engine. WOT my tachometer is reading from 5,000-5,100 RPM against the Carb. stops static w/the tail tied down. I tried to check the pitch of my prop with the supplied protractor and found it to be cumbersome and hard to be really accurate. I have a Warp Drive protractor and used it. The prop pitch angles I came up with is #1, 13 degrees, #2, 13.5 degrees and #3, 11 degrees. I think GSC recommends starting at 16.5 degrees for the 912. I know they should all be the same and I will correct that but isn't around 13 degrees an awfully shallow pitch to be getting 5,100 RPM WOT? Looking for any possible solutions, hints, recommendations, suggestions and that includes personal opinions. Thanks, -------- Kyle Dunn Eddyville, Kentucky Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax 1978 Cessna 172 N American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax Rotorway Exec. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191996#191996 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:04 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? From: "JetPilot" n85ae wrote: > The Kitfox with the flaperons can handle some very windy conditions, more so than the typical light plane. > > I got it down, but almost immediately lost control with the rudder and did a fast tire smoking 270 degree turn off into the grass. Right in front of the > airport restaraunt at lunch time. > > Jeff. Thats a great story Jeff, and exactly why I will be building the Kitfox with the Nosewheel. I am done with Tailwheels, I fly one now, and fly it just fine, but it just limits me to much in crosswinds. With a tailwheel, either I don't fly in moderate corsswinds, or I risk damaging the plane in a nasty ground loop if I do, neither of which is a good poissiblity. I will build a tricycle gear Kitfox :) Its great to hear that the Kitfox can handle more wind than most pilots, that is the way it should be. Right now, I find myself being limited by the weather my plane can handle, there are many days I want to fly and cant, and that really sucks !!!! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191997#191997 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:39 PM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC prop pitch angle where are you measuring the pitch with each of the protractors. The GSC is guaged for a specific point in from the tip. John Kerr Classic IV912UL, it was great flying along/over the ridges of the Cache Valley this morning. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Kyle" > > I have a 68" GSC three blade prop on my Kitfox IV 1200 w/912UL Rotax engine. WOT > my tachometer is reading from 5,000-5,100 RPM against the Carb. stops static > w/the tail tied down. I tried to check the pitch of my prop with the supplied > protractor and found it to be cumbersome and hard to be really accurate. I have > a Warp Drive protractor and used it. The prop pitch angles I came up with is #1, > 13 degrees, #2, 13.5 degrees and #3, 11 degrees. I think GSC recommends starting > at 16.5 degrees for the 912. I know they should all be the same and I will > correct that but isn't around 13 degrees an awfully shallow pitch to be getting > 5,100 RPM WOT? > Looking for any possible solutions, hints, recommendations, suggestions and that > includes personal opinions. > > Thanks, > > -------- > Kyle Dunn > Eddyville, Kentucky > Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax > 1978 Cessna 172 N > American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax > Rotorway Exec. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191996#191996 > > > > > > > > > >
where are you measuring the pitch with each of the protractors.  The GSC is guaged for a specific point in from the tip.
 
John Kerr
Classic IV912UL, it was great flying along/over the ridges of the Cache Valley this morning.
 
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From: "Kyle" <kylehdunn@bellsouth.net>

> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kyle"
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> I have a 68" GSC three blade prop on my Kitfox IV 1200 w/912UL Rotax engine. WOT
> my tachometer is reading from 5,000-5,100 RPM against the Carb. stops static
> w/the tail tied down. I tried to check the pitch of my prop with the supplied
> protractor and found it to be cumbersome and hard to be really accurate. I have
> a Warp Drive protractor and used it. The prop pitch angles I came up with is #1,
> 13 degrees, #2, 13.5 degrees and #3, 11 degrees. I think GSC recommends starting
> at 16.5 degrees for the 912. I know they should all be the same and I will
> correct that but isn't around 13 degrees an awfully shallow pitch to be getting
> 5,100 avigat
________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:33 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? In this situation ( and maybe Jeff's) it is appropriate to redefine a runway. This is what Ed Downs recommends for high wind situations. This morning, my wife and flew to Hulett Wyoming for breakfast. When we left, the wind was directly across the runway about 30 - 35 mph. (We had a lot of fun untying the Fox.) I decided to take off using an intersection between the taxiway and the runway. Even at 4600' it didn't take much to get up in the air. The Hulett airport is pretty deserted much of the time, but I have been told that if you ask controllers for this sort of thing and explain that you don't need a lot of ground roll, that they will be pretty accommodating. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? Funny you should mention a C150...a friend and I were flying...him in his C150, and me in my Model IV Kitfox. We were heading south with a 60+ mph tailwind (GPS groundspeed 177mph) when we both got into turbulence at about 9500' and both landed in 19-35 knot 90 crosswind. He had stuff flying around inside his cockpit, and I was just plain wanting to get it down on the ground. So maybe that contest was a tie. : ) And being as how I haven't flown his, nor he mine, it's a rather poor comparison, but we both made it down safely, with only minor landing damage...a scuffed wheel on mine. He took three attempts to land. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/545 hrs On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:18 AM, JetPilot wrote: > > Here is a question for everyone... How much wind are you > comfortable flying your Kitfox In ??? I don't mean crosswind, > just wind in general before it gets to turbulent and uncontrollable > to enjoy flying ? > > I currently fly a plane that does not handle high winds as well as > I would like, and am considering a Super Sport with tricycle > gear. I would like to get some idea of how much weather > conditions the Kitfox will handle. I owned a Cessna 150 before, > and was very happy with the way it would handle winds and > turbulence... Does the Kitfox handle winds and weather as well as > small Cessnas ? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191760#191760 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:19 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC prop pitch angle From: "Kyle" Sorry about that. I should have included that critical measurement. The pitch angle measurements were all taken on the back of the prop blade at 25.5" from the prop hub center. Thanks, -------- Kyle Dunn Eddyville, Kentucky Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax 1978 Cessna 172 N American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax Rotorway Exec. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192013#192013 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:40 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How Much Wind Can You Handle In Your KitFox ??? From: "n85ae" Our local runway is surrounded by obstacles, so no way to do the diagonal landing thing, or other unusual procedures. The best bet would have been to shoot over to the nearby big airport with a 6000 foot runway directly pointed into the wind. :) Which would have been a quick cab ride from to get my car. Poor decision making on my part. We have a nearby glider field which is basically a gigantic field with no specific runway. I have gone over there and practiced crosswinds which were much beyond sane for pavement. That was part of the problem because it made me too confident in my ability to handle really strong crosswinds. I know better now. It's really not the crosswind that gets you, it's that on days that are crosswindy you can get some big gusts as well. It's the gust that made me lose it. I think had it not lifted my wing and got me all discombobulated (is that a word?) I'd have been ok. In any case groundlooping without damage I consider to be one of the usefull learning experiences I have had. The other was losing my engine and having to glide in to land. Losing a vacuum pump at night was another. It made a loud mechanical shrieking noise under the cowl. That is something that will get your heart started as well. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192019#192019 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:40 PM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycle I think the short carb vent tubes with tiny vent holes over the exhaust is pretty much a stock 582 installation on the Kitfox. Only trouble I've heard from this is that some airworthiness inspectors don't like it. No fires re ported that I know of. - Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box --- On Wed, 7/9/08, Ryan Wheeler wrote: From: Ryan Wheeler Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carb vent line install - Rotax 2 cycleCarb vent l ine install - Rotax 2 cycle Thanks, I'll have to go back to the airport tonight and check if one of my carbs has the tapped hole for the fitting. - Is it the normal Kitfox set-up to have the regular vent tubes installed?- Any known issues with the vent tube being right above the exhaust? 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:01 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC prop pitch angle Hi Kyle, 5,000-5,100 static is a good starting place. Conventional wisdom when I set mine was 5200 static. Try 5100 and see if you like it. Mine is 4900 static so I climb at about 70 mph and probably have a little advantage at cruise. Roger Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax / GSC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kyle To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC prop pitch angle > I have a 68" GSC three blade prop on my Kitfox IV 1200 w/912UL Rotax engine. WOT my tachometer is reading from 5,000-5,100 RPM against the Carb. stops static w/the tail tied down. I tried to check the pitch of my prop with the supplied protractor and found it to be cumbersome and hard to be really accurate. I have a Warp Drive protractor and used it. The prop pitch angles I came up with is #1, 13 degrees, #2, 13.5 degrees and #3, 11 degrees. I think GSC recommends starting at 16.5 degrees for the 912. I know they should all be the same and I will correct that but isn't around 13 degrees an awfully shallow pitch to be getting 5,100 RPM WOT? Looking for any possible solutions, hints, recommendations, suggestions and that includes personal opinions. Thanks, -------- Kyle Dunn Eddyville, Kentucky Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax 1978 Cessna 172 N American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax Rotorway Exec. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191996#191996 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:11 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings I think the plane is question is mostly yellow.... I was just thinking or the old Partridge Family TV show and their repainted school buss... Remember the diamond shape nervous mother driving sign on the back? Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McIntosh Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings Bob, Just for info, PolyFiber does not mix the colors at the factory anymore - the individual dealers do. It is just like buying paint from Home Depot, all they get is the base mixture and then the dealer adds the color tint. I am told Spencer does a better job of this than ACS (but this just may be a rumor I am spreading!) -------- Don McIntosh Kitfox Series 7 under construction Jabiru 3300 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191953#191953 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:01 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings Anybody have a diamond shape nervous pilot sign I can use? ;-) Good one Noel... Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys Sent: 09 July 2008 8:32 pm Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings I think the plane is question is mostly yellow.... I was just thinking or the old Partridge Family TV show and their repainted school buss... Remember the diamond shape nervous mother driving sign on the back? Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McIntosh Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings Bob, Just for info, PolyFiber does not mix the colors at the factory anymore - the individual dealers do. It is just like buying paint from Home Depot, all they get is the base mixture and then the dealer adds the color tint. I am told Spencer does a better job of this than ACS (but this just may be a rumor I am spreading!) -------- Don McIntosh Kitfox Series 7 under construction Jabiru 3300 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191953#191953 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:02 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings Bob: don't forget the paint on yoru plane is a couple of years old and may have oxidized or changed slightly since it was applied. If you are into a bit of a paint job I'd mask the plane off along obvious separation points like the upper and lower chines. That way any slight differences in tone won't be obvious. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:38 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings Thanks Don. I'm still waiting for the color chart from ACS and I hope there is a good match on there for my airplane. If the paint they send me doesn't match the color chart - it goes back! Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McIntosh Sent: 09 July 2008 11:35 am Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aircraft markings Bob, Just for info, PolyFiber does not mix the colors at the factory anymore - the individual dealers do. It is just like buying paint from Home Depot, all they get is the base mixture and then the dealer adds the color tint. I am told Spencer does a better job of this than ACS (but this just may be a rumor I am spreading!) -------- Don McIntosh Kitfox Series 7 under construction Jabiru 3300 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191953#191953 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:42 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC prop pitch angle I levelled my plane and made a jig to level each prop in it's rotation. The problem I had is as the prop bolts were tightened the angle on the blades would shift. I found out the prop was only about fifteen years out of time so I bought an Ivo IFA. Now I'm in the throes of installing a 912 and a two blade warp came with it. Oh my... more fun!! Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC prop pitch angle Sorry about that. I should have included that critical measurement. The pitch angle measurements were all taken on the back of the prop blade at 25.5" from the prop hub center. Thanks, -------- Kyle Dunn Eddyville, Kentucky Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax 1978 Cessna 172 N American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax Rotorway Exec. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192013#192013 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:31 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tail Wheel set Up From: "dave" Have to agree, that angle should be that same with the new spring. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192070#192070 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:39 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC prop pitch angle A few years ago when I had a GSC prop=2C I made a jig that fit on the prop blade and held a small lazer on the jig. It would shine a beam of lazer li ght accross the hangar and make a spot on the wall=2C I would mark the spot and then use the jig on each blade in turn to get them all exactly the sam e. You could get the spot to move 1/4" at about 20 feet just by tightening the bolts different. The jig was made so it fit exactly the same on each blade and I know the prop ran very smooth. I also used it on a Powerfin pr op. Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn> From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca> To: kitf ox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC prop pitch angle> : "Noel Loveys" > > I levelled my plane and made a jig to level each prop in it's rotation. The> problem I had is as the prop bol ts were tightened the angle on the blades> would shift. I found out the pro p was only about fifteen years out of time> so I bought an Ivo IFA. Now I'm in the throes of installing a 912 and a two> blade warp came with it. Oh m y... more fun!!> > Noel> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-l ist-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] O n Behalf Of Kyle> Sent: Wednesday=2C July 09=2C 2008 5:42 PM> To: kitfox-li st@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC prop pitch angle> > --> Kit fox-List message posted by: "Kyle" > > Sorry about that. I should have included that critical measurement. The> pitch angle m easurements were all taken on the back of the prop blade at> 25.5" from the prop hub center.> > Thanks=2C> > --------> Kyle Dunn> Eddyville=2C Kentuck y> Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax > 1978 Cessna 172 N> American Aero Phoenix II w /582 Rotax> Rotorway Exec.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http:// forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192013#192013> > > > > > > > > > > > =====> > > _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM _WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.