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1. 03:49 AM - Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (Dwight Early)
2. 03:50 AM - Tips or Advice for Maiden Flight? (fox5flyer)
3. 04:43 AM - Re: N914KF is officially an airplane! (fox5flyer)
4. 06:06 AM - Re: Vixen Kitfox (Mark Reupert)
5. 06:06 AM - Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (FlyboyTR)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: RES: Vixen Kitfox (FlyboyTR)
7. 06:22 AM - Re: Vixen Kitfox (FlyboyTR)
8. 06:23 AM - Re: N914KF is officially an airplane! (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
9. 06:27 AM - Re: Vixen Kitfox (ronlee)
10. 06:29 AM - Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (Tom Jones)
11. 06:38 AM - Re: fuel tank/sight tube questions (FlyboyTR)
12. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (Pete Christensen)
13. 07:36 AM - Re: Vixen Kitfox (Lowell Fitt)
14. 07:49 AM - Re: N914KF is officially an airplane! (Lowell Fitt)
15. 08:08 AM - Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (Michel Verheughe)
16. 08:45 AM - Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (Tom Jones)
17. 09:18 AM - Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (FlyboyTR)
18. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
19. 10:24 AM - Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (FlyboyTR)
20. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (Lynn Matteson)
21. 10:47 AM - Re: Tips or Advice for Maiden Flight? (darinh)
22. 01:23 PM - To Build or not to build... (JetPilot)
23. 02:22 PM - Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (Jeffrey Dill)
24. 02:41 PM - Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground. (Jeffrey Dill)
25. 03:04 PM - Re: Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground. (Pete Christensen)
26. 03:23 PM - Re: Maiden Flight (mdkitfox@AOL.COM)
27. 03:37 PM - Re: Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground. (mdkitfox@aol.com)
28. 03:50 PM - Re: Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground. (RAY Gignac)
29. 04:10 PM - Re: Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground. (Sbennett3@aol.com)
30. 09:07 PM - Re: fuel tank/sight tube questions (hansedj)
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
Thanks guys for all of the great commits.
I flew about a hour last night and played with the flaperon handle, which I have
found that with the handle up about a 1/2" my stick is equally light in all
directions. This now takes away the concerns of me stressing the ribs that they
are attached to.
As to the weights, they now don't seem to be the issue.
If I someone could come up with a copy of how to set the flaperons properly I would
be interested in reading. Thanks :D
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Dwight Early
Kitfox 1/532
Cessna 150F
Daleville, In
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| Subject: | Tips or Advice for Maiden Flight? |
I disagree. I don't think Jeff was being overly dramatic at all. I knew
what he meant and I'm sure most others knew also. Why does this thread have
to derogate to arguing over semantics? Sort of like defining what the word
"is" means...
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 380+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tips or Advice for Maiden Flight?
>
> I think you guys have the right idea, be prepared for an engine failure at
> any time.
>
> But to say EXPECT an engine failure every flight is just plain wrong.
> According to the dictionary EXPECT " implies a high degree of certainty
> and usually involves the idea of preparing or envisioning " Google the
> word expect if you have any doubts, and see for yourself...
>
> If I had a high degree of certainty that my engine would quit my next
> flight, I would never leave the ground. At my airport, there is a time on
> takeoff where an engine failure would leave me no good landing options,
> thats just the fact of life here...
>
> I think Jeff has good intentions with the point he is trying to get
> across, but he is trying to be over dramatic. In all reality he should
> use realistic and accurate English. Anyone out there have a high degree
> of certainty that you engine will quit every flight ???
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193504#193504
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N914KF is officially an airplane! |
Way to go, Darin! The fun begins!
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: N914KF is officially an airplane!
>
> Well, the conditions were perfect tonight so my bird took to the air. It
> was a very short (single circuit) flight as planned and the airplane flew
> better than I could have hoped for. The controls were solid and the
> engine...well, lets say that I shouldn't have any trouble keeping up in
> the climb with the Huskies and Super Cubs. I didn't push it at all and
> actually didn't even check my VSI so I don't know what climb rate I had
> but the acceleration and the pull from the 914/Airmasters prop combo is a
> thing of beauty! I will obviously get detailed performance data during
> phase 1 and will try to post it if anyone is interested.
>
> The approach and touchdown was conducted a bit faster than needed but the
> rollout was smooth and straight (I really like the Grove gear). Taxied
> back to the hangar and shut it down. I still can't get the smile off my
> face. I did end up with a few sqawks though...my EGTs and CHT were
> reading higher than expected and even topped the limits on the initial
> climb out so I need to look into this. I did speak with other guys flying
> my setup and they mentioned that my temps were normal so I am not overly
> concerned. The radio was a bit noisier than expected also...I made some
> changes to the squelch settings and ANL (automatic noise limit feature)
> and hope that makes a difference. And lastly, David is right on the
> horiz. stabilizer incidence...it needs to be set about at about as
> negative incidence as the rod will allow. I ran out of nose up trim on
> final but have about 1/4" to 3/8" of adjustment that I can go so that
> should make all the difference.
>
> This is my first experience as a test pilot...what a great experience!
> And a great airplane.
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193547#193547
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vixen Kitfox |
Go for it! The Vixen is a great plane. Great performance and large cabin.
Mark
Vixen 912 UL
Hartford, Wisconsin
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Francisco Espuny <espuny@terra.com.br>
wrote:
> >
>
> Thanks you all for answering my question about the Vixen. There are not too
> many around here.
> I've read the link and I'm sure this will be a good choice.
> The plane is mint and I intend to get it on saturday and fly it back home.
> If there's something wrong on the bird's design, please post here before
> it's too late :-)
> Again, thanks.
>
> Espuny
>
>
--
Mark
Kitfox Vixen
912 UL IVO
Hartford, Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
Michel wrote:
>
> > From: FlyboyTR [flyboytr@bellsouth.net]
> > I have an ongoing issue with the teflon bearings you mentioned.
> > .. oops! As Jeff says, it is a nylon bearing, Travis. My mistake.
> >
>
>
>
>
> > If I don't keep them clean and lubed my stick pressures will increase while
in flight
> > Very strange because if, as Jeff says, nylon is subject to heat and humidity,
it doesn't require any lubrification. I know it not from aviation but from
yachting since it is much used as rudder bearing. It is maintenance free.
> >
>
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
>
The fit between my aileron tube and the nylon block/bushing is actually way too
tight! Without the occasional lube it starts chafing the paint and pretty much
locks things down. I have considered removed the arm so I could remove the
block and increase the bore. ...I should probably do that somewhere along the
way!
Travis :D
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: RES: Vixen Kitfox |
We love our Vixen. Very few bad habits. When the thin wing gives up and stops
flying...the change is sudden! Uncoordinated flight at stall will easily result
in a thrill you will remember for a while! ...just pray you're not close to
the ground! Airplane likes to float in ground effect. Remember this if it's
hot and you are "heavy" during a take-off on a limited runway. Give it a few
more seconds before lifting off. Slow speed approaches and landings can result
in a very nose high attitude...where you will completely loose sight of the
runway.
Again...We love our Vixen. All planes have their little idiosyncrasies and so
does the Vixen...but it's a great plane that is a joy to fly.
Travis :)
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: Vixen Kitfox |
The Skystar Vixen and the Kitfox Series 5 are basically the same plane...taildragger
or nosewheel configuration.
Travis :)
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | N914KF is officially an airplane! |
Good for you Darin=2C I bet you are still smiling. I would imagine it was
hard to fall asleep last night because you kept reliving it in your mind.
I'm looking forward to the performance stats. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 Mn
do not archive> Subject: Kitfox-List: N914KF is officially an airplane!> Fr
om: gerns25@netscape.net> Date: Thu=2C 17 Jul 2008 23:10:08 -0700> To: kitf
25@netscape.net>> > Well=2C the conditions were perfect tonight so my bird
took to the air. It was a very short (single circuit) flight as planned and
the airplane flew better than I could have hoped for. The controls were so
lid and the engine...well=2C lets say that I shouldn't have any trouble kee
ping up in the climb with the Huskies and Super Cubs. I didn't push it at a
ll and actually didn't even check my VSI so I don't know what climb rate I
had but the acceleration and the pull from the 914/Airmasters prop combo is
a thing of beauty! I will obviously get detailed performance data during p
hase 1 and will try to post it if anyone is interested.> > The approach and
touchdown was conducted a bit faster than needed but the rollout was smoot
h and straight (I really like the Grove gear). Taxied back to the hangar an
d shut it down. I still can't get the smile off my face. I did end up with
a few sqawks though...my EGTs and CHT were reading higher than expected and
even topped the limits on the initial climb out so I need to look into thi
s. I did speak with other guys flying my setup and they mentioned that my t
emps were normal so I am not overly concerned. The radio was a bit noisier
than expected also...I made some changes to the squelch settings and ANL (a
utomatic noise limit feature) and hope that makes a difference. And lastly
=2C David is right on the horiz. stabilizer incidence...it needs to be set
about at about as negative incidence as the rod will allow. I ran out of no
se up trim on final but have about 1/4" to 3/8" of adjustment that I can go
so that should make all the difference.> > This is my first experience as
a test pilot...what a great experience! And a great airplane.> > Do not arc
hive> > --------> Darin Hawkes> Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)> 914 Tu
rbo> Kaysville=2C Utah> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://foru
==> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Vixen Kitfox |
If the gross weight is 1550 it is not Sport Pilot compliant.
--------
Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
Jeffrey,
Thanks for sharing. This is a good wake-up reminder for me. I am a low time pilot
with 300 hours in a Cherokee. I have about 50 hours in my Kitfox now and
was just thinking after my last flight that I am getting pretty good at landing.
I think there is some truth about worrying about the tailwheel boogy man too much
too. A little mishap along with stories about how dangerous and difficult
the tail wheel is...all from people who had never flown one...had me so worried
that it took me six years after I finished building my Kitfox to bite the bullet,
get the training and start flying it. Actually my wife pushed me to do
it one day when she said "Fly it or sell it".
I still have the landing sight line on my windshield but find I am not concentrating
on it so much now.
For what its worth, my opinion on tail wheel experience is its not the number hours
that counts...its the number of landings that hones your skill.
I had to google the "44709" to find out what it is. I'm sure you will have no
trouble with that. Good luck!
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank/sight tube questions |
When my original sight tubes starting leaking (leaking is putting it mildly!),
I replaced them with brass barbed fittings and clear Tygon fuel tubing. I also
stripped out a length of 12 gauge solid copper wire (house wiring) and inserted
it into the tubing before bending it. The wire also helped to "hold" the
proper shape. After shaping the tube I inserted a short piece of 1/8" tubing
over the wire and inside each end of the main tube. This became my restrictor.
The shinny wire inside the tube makes a very definite make at the fuel level
that reflects within the tube. I did this two years ago and everything is still
performing perfectly. Picture...albeit very small...is attached.
Travis :)
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
Lynn,
For my penance maybe the knowledgeable among the brethren could repeat some
of the reasons for the bearings. I plan to buy the 1/8" UHMW polyethylene
today.
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
Kitfox III, 912ul, Grove gear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's
>
> I'd say you should be forced to re-read all the archived comments on this
> subject, including mine where I asked what the hell were these skimpy
> little "bearings" that I wanted to leave off, and people set me straight.
> : ) And then maybe a few "hail to the Great God Paso" 's and that
> oughtta get you back in.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
>
>
> On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:12 PM, Pete Christensen wrote:
>
>> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> My name is Pete and I have a confession. I have been flying my Kitfox
>> III without the nylon bearings. It looks like these bearings were
>> attached to the hatch cover. Until now I figured they were unnecessary
>> since mine are broken off. How can I be made to see the error of my
>> ways and be accepted back to the flock?
>>
>>
>> Pete
>> Hell Paso, TX
>> Kitfox III, 912ul, Grove gear
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:40 PM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vixen Kitfox |
Francisco,
I dont think there is anything wrong with the design. I read some of my old
Kitfox Times issues and found that the Vixen was announced in the Summer /
Fall issue of 1992. It does precede the Series V tail dragger which was
announced in the first issue of 1995 along with the Classic IV which was a
marriage of the Kitfox XL and the Model IV. The Seriex IV TD was based on
the Vixen fuselage with tailwheel. It is interesting that the first Vixen
was provided with a composite maingear with fiberglass legs and carbon fiber
wrapping. Obviously this gear design wasn't successful as it has
disappeared from the scene.
I would think that if the construction is as you say, then you will have a
very nice flying airplane. The engine is a perfect match as well.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Francisco Espuny" <espuny@terra.com.br>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:38 PM
Subject: RES: Kitfox-List: Vixen Kitfox
> <espuny@terra.com.br>
>
> Thanks you all for answering my question about the Vixen. There are not
> too
> many around here.
> I've read the link and I'm sure this will be a good choice.
> The plane is mint and I intend to get it on saturday and fly it back home.
> If there's something wrong on the bird's design, please post here before
> it's too late :-)
> Again, thanks.
>
> Espuny
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N914KF is officially an airplane! |
Darin,
First, congratulations on the flight. I can only imagine your feelings. I
too am anxious to get some performance numbers. My feelings are that with
the 914 and the Airmaster prop, you will quickly move to the top of the line
in all aspects of performance.
Kay still talks about your neighborhood - Nice!
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: N914KF is officially an airplane!
>
> Well, the conditions were perfect tonight so my bird took to the air. It
> was a very short (single circuit) flight as planned and the airplane flew
> better than I could have hoped for. The controls were solid and the
> engine...well, lets say that I shouldn't have any trouble keeping up in
> the climb with the Huskies and Super Cubs. I didn't push it at all and
> actually didn't even check my VSI so I don't know what climb rate I had
> but the acceleration and the pull from the 914/Airmasters prop combo is a
> thing of beauty! I will obviously get detailed performance data during
> phase 1 and will try to post it if anyone is interested.
>
> The approach and touchdown was conducted a bit faster than needed but the
> rollout was smooth and straight (I really like the Grove gear). Taxied
> back to the hangar and shut it down. I still can't get the smile off my
> face. I did end up with a few sqawks though...my EGTs and CHT were
> reading higher than expected and even topped the limits on the initial
> climb out so I need to look into this. I did speak with other guys flying
> my setup and they mentioned that my temps were normal so I am not overly
> concerned. The radio was a bit noisier than expected also...I made some
> changes to the squelch settings and ANL (automatic noise limit feature)
> and hope that makes a difference. And lastly, David is right on the
> horiz. stabilizer incidence...it needs to be set about at about as
> negative incidence as the rod will allow. I ran out of nose up trim on
> final but have about 1/4" to 3/8" of adjustment that I can go so that
> should make all the difference.
>
> This is my first experience as a test pilot...what a great experience!
> And a great airplane.
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193547#193547
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
> From: FlyboyTR [flyboytr@bellsouth.net]
> I have considered removed the arm so I could remove the block and increase the
> bore.
You might need to do that, Travis. But, when I think of it, my nylon bearings have
a slit from the side to the bore. I didn't build my Kitfox so I am not sure
but ... could it be to allow for eventual expansion of the nylon? Just an idea.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
I have considered removed the arm so I could remove the block and increase the
bore. ...I should probably do that somewhere along the way!
Travis, are your flaperon horn bearings not split? The top half attached to the
turtle deck and comes off when turtle deck is removed. The bottom half attached
to a hinge riveted to the fuselage. It folds down. Should be easy to get
at with some sand paper.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
Tom,
My flaperon horn bearings are one piece and attach to the inside of the fuslage.
If they were split that would make it easy! :) It is very structurally sound
the way it is made. ...just no easy way to fix it! Thanks for asking.
Travis :)
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
How do you fold your wings if the bearings are one piece? Perhaps the late
r models are different than the model 4 and older. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 Mn>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's> From: flyboytr@bellso
uth.net> Date: Fri=2C 18 Jul 2008 09:15:38 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics
et>> > Tom=2C> My flaperon horn bearings are one piece and attach to the in
side of the fuslage. If they were split that would make it easy! :) It is v
ery structurally sound the way it is made. ...just no easy way to fix it! T
hanks for asking.> > Travis :)> > --------> Travis Rayner> Mobile=2C AL> Sk
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
They are triangle in shape. The fuselage has two pins about 2.5" apart with a
threaded fitting in the middle. The nylon piece is drilled and slides over the
two pins (they stabilize the part) and then a "T" bolt goes through the part
(in between the pins) and threads into the fitting. The bolt is drilled and
a safety pin goes through the end of the bolt to keep it from backing out. After
removing the turtle deck, it takes about a minute to unclip, unscrew and slide
the nylon part off the pins. Then the wing can fold.
Travis :D
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
The moderator killed it, and rightly so, because it turned into a
verbal sparring match, (myself included) between a few people who
probably should have known better. Besides, I don't think any of us
"pugilists" remembered to at least add the "do not archive" when it
got beyond the intended purpose, which was to enlighten folks about
landing on a hard surface.
Sorry to hear about your rough landing, Jeff, and I hope you rebuild.
What all was damaged?....maybe there are some parts to be had here....
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
On Jul 18, 2008, at 12:09 AM, JetPilot wrote:
> This was a very good thread, I cant imagine why the moderator would
> want to suppress good safety related information here.
>
> Mike
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> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Tips or Advice for Maiden Flight? |
Thanks for the replys guys...the tips and advice were great but I think the thread
has served its purpose. I think we all know what both Jeff and Mike meant
with their posts. Fact is, a good pilot is always aware of their situation,
meaning they know the calculated risks they are taking and they are prepared for
the "what ifs". It is a good habit to always keep your scan of your surroundings
going and have the mental capacity to be ready for anything at any time.
On the other hand, we as pilots need to be careful how we portray our passion
(flying) to our non-pilot friends and family. I guarantee that if we polled
1000 people anywhere in the US, 90% would say that small aircraft are dangerous
and that if you fly one you will eventually meet your fate in one. I am constantly
arguing the fact that small aircraft are inherently safe and that a
person is just as likely to be in a serious car accident as they are an aircraft
accident. How many of us even consider the risks of driving 75 mph down a
4 lane road with thousands of other cars literally a couple feet from us? I know
the general public doesn't. The point is if we always focus on the "what
ifs" we would as Mike said, "never leave the ground" or never get in a car. I
don't focus on these aspects of flying but I an "aware" of them and will be ready
if they happen. I think this is the idea both Jeff and Mike are trying to
portray...just in different ways.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | To Build or not to build... |
Jeffery Dills accident and upcoming decision weather to rebuild his plane or not
reminded me of this email sent to me by a friend:
" 6 or 7 years ago I was scratch building a Sonex. I loved it. I only had the
tail and control surfaces completed, but had all of the materials necessary to
finish the airframe. My (ex) wife complained that I spent so much time in the
garage, so I made a nice living room out there with a new sofa, coffee table,
and ran the cable for the TV. She never once came to sit with me. Back then I
thought it would be better for the marriage if I sold the project. Biggest mistake
I ever made, and I still regret it today.
The good news is that my alimony stops permanently on March 31st, and I can have
my flying/building budget back. "
I hope you Rebuild your Kitfox Jeffery ! Never lose sight of what is really important
in life... If you cant fly you are just existing [Wink]
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
Thanks for your kind words folks. In respect for Guy's ability to shut down a thread
when he sees fit, I am going to start another. I see both sides of that
issue. Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground.
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| Subject: | Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground. |
The damage to my airplane includes both gear and substantial damage to the lower
fuselage. The wings did not touch. The prop = smithereens. I towed it to a local
A&P welder today and he felt the fuselage repair was beyond his scope due
to not having a jig to assure all is straight when finished. Besides the obvious,
the right door does not clear the post when closing like it used to, so we
know there are issues of straightness. It is looking like the pragmatic thing
to do does not include fixing that fuselage. Maybe there is a straight one around,
or maybe I will just take the insurance check and turn around and buy another
ready to go. I have to think that given enough bananas ...
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| Subject: | Re: Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground. |
Jeff,
Sorry to hear about your accident. There but for the Grace of
God............ What part of the world do you live? A second hand KF might
be the answer or one that tore up a wing but did not hurt the fuselage. In
the last year I've seen various combinations like that.
Pete
Hell Paso, Tx
KF III, 912ul, Grove gear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Dill" <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the
ground.
> <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>
> The damage to my airplane includes both gear and substantial damage to the
> lower fuselage. The wings did not touch. The prop = smithereens. I towed
> it to a local A&P welder today and he felt the fuselage repair was beyond
> his scope due to not having a jig to assure all is straight when finished.
> Besides the obvious, the right door does not clear the post when closing
> like it used to, so we know there are issues of straightness. It is
> looking like the pragmatic thing to do does not include fixing that
> fuselage. Maybe there is a straight one around, or maybe I will just take
> the insurance check and turn around and buy another ready to go. I have to
> think that given enough bananas ...
>
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> Jeff Dill
> Model 2
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| Subject: | Re: Maiden Flight |
Darin,
Congratulations on the maiden voyage of your Kitfox. =C2-Be sure to take a
lot of time to reflect on the great moment you just had. =C2-I'm sure you
will find it's like the time you soloed; something that will remain very pe
rsonal and rewarding, that most others cannot even dream of doing.
Way to go,
Rick Weiss
Model V Speedster - almost there - finally
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| Subject: | Re: Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground. |
Jeff,=C2-
=C2-
Really sorry to hear about the accident. =C2-The plane is expendable (when
you have no choice). =C2-The good news, it sounds like (and we hope), you
are just fine.=C2-
Take some time and see if you can assess what it would really take to rebuil
d. =C2-Checkout the Model IV's, ready to buy, if there any, or build a new
one. =C2-Then you can make an informed decision. =C2-Meanwhile, find a
friend with an airplane and get back in the air.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster
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| Subject: | Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground. |
Rick=2C how have you been? see you said your almost ready to fly!
Ray
ing machines in pieces on the ground.Date: Fri=2C 18 Jul 2008 18:34:29 -040
0From: mdkitfox@aol.com
Jeff=2C Really sorry to hear about the accident. The plane is expendable
(when you have no choice). The good news=2C it sounds like (and we hope)
=2C you are just fine.
Take some time and see if you can assess what it would really take to rebui
ld. Checkout the Model IV's=2C ready to buy=2C if there any=2C or build a
new one. Then you can make an informed decision. Meanwhile=2C find a frie
nd with an airplane and get back in the air.
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Series V S peedster
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| Subject: | Re: Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground. |
Jeff, I was selling a phantom ultralight last winter and spoke with a man in
Fla. that tore the wings off of a 3 in a forced landing between trees... I
wonder if wings from a 2 will interchange with fuse of a 3 ??? That's a
several thousand dollar question :-) I'll have to look for that guy if we get
positive answers here. Steve Bennett. Durham NC
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank/sight tube questions |
I too bought site tube
kit from kitfox very easy to install and looks great.
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