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1. 02:57 AM - Re: To Build ...& Oshkosh (kirk hull)
2. 03:23 AM - Re: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh (fox5flyer)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh (C David Estapa)
4. 05:54 AM - Re: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh (C David Estapa)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: Proper prop (W Duke)
6. 08:13 AM - Re: Proper prop (JetPilot)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: Going to Build a Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Any suggestions ?? (JetPilot)
8. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Going to Build a Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Any suggestions ?? (Rick)
9. 09:18 AM - Kitfox serial number (Francisco Espuny)
10. 10:14 AM - Re: Proper prop (n85ae)
11. 10:18 AM - Re: Kitfox serial number (Marco Menezes)
12. 10:34 AM - Re: Kitfox serial number (Lowell Fitt)
13. 10:35 AM - Re: Proper prop (Michel Verheughe)
14. 11:35 AM - Re: Going to Build a Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Any suggestions ?? (Guy Buchanan)
15. 12:13 PM - Re: Kitfox serial number (Tom Jones)
16. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Going to Build a Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Any suggestions ?? (Guy Buchanan)
17. 01:11 PM - Re: Going to Build a Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Any suggestions ?? (n85ae)
18. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (Guy Buchanan)
19. 01:57 PM - Re: Oshkosh group camping (Lynn Matteson)
20. 02:08 PM - Re: Oshkosh group camping (n85ae)
21. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Proper prop (Lynn Matteson)
22. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Oshkosh group camping (Lynn Matteson)
23. 05:21 PM - come fly with me (fox5flyer)
24. 05:39 PM - Re: come fly with me (Lynn Matteson)
25. 06:07 PM - Re: come fly with me (akflyer)
26. 06:43 PM - Re: Proper prop (dave)
27. 09:12 PM - Kitfox-List : [ Jeff Puls ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (pictures@matronics.com)
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30. 10:17 PM - Kitfox-List : [ Jeff Puls ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List PhotoShares)
31. 11:27 PM - Flying in the rain WAS: Proper prop (Michel Verheughe)
32. 11:36 PM - RE come fly with me (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | To Build ...& Oshkosh |
I will be staying at the Y. unfortunately I will be unable to fly up. Cell
816-686-3719.
Kirk hull
Kitfox classic 4
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Build ...& Oshkosh
I'll be in the Homebuilders Camping Area, same as last year. Cell
#517- 945- 4381. I plan on getting there on Sunday before the thing
opens.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
On Jul 20, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Rexinator wrote:
>
> Everyone,
> I'll be there camping next to the Rexsters model 3. My 1st trip to
> Airventure and I'll be there the whole week. Hope to meet as many
> Kitfoxers as possible. Please make note of my cell number and
> contact me while there.
>
> --
> Rex Hefferan - cell: 719-651-9192
> SE Colorado / M-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
>
> mdkitfox@aol.com wrote:
>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Is any one going to be at Oshkosh this year? Did I miss that
>> thread? The mind is a terrible thing to waste!
>>
>> Rick Weiss
>> Series V Speedster
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh |
David, have you checked to see if your tach is reading correctly? There
have been many cases on this list where people were chasing problems
only to find out that the tach was the problem.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 380+ TT
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progress."
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----- Original Message -----
From: C David Estapa
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh
Rick, the plane came in at 833 lbs. My problem with long test period
was high oil temps and a vibration at high RPM's, and the plane is 50
miles from home. I did a bunch of short flights, maybe 15 at no more
than 30 minutes trying different mods to lower oil temps. I had pitched
my prop for 5200 static. Some one suggested it might be too flat, so I
repitched it for lower rpm. Still need to adjust, but I'm only getting
4800 at takeoff. However oil temps dropped dramatically, speed
increased, and rate of climb increased. I'm seeing consistently 105 to
110 mph (no pants, but strut fairings), and 1100 fpm climb at density
altitudes of 2100 common in summer here. But you know I have more fun
cruising around the North Georgia mountains at 60. I plan on slowly
changing pitch to see what happens. (by the way it is a warp drive
tapered tip, I believe 72 in,) Ironically my DAR assigned me 25 hours. I
questioned this, but he said I had an approved prop and engine
combination. Most people I have discussed this with say I'm legal after
25 hours, but I'm not convinced. So I'm taking it to 40 hours. I have
about thirty and no that I have most issues solved it should go real
quick.
Yes I'm going to OSH. Driving up Sunday and leaving Thursday.
Woodstock is 35 miles NE of Atlanta.
David
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:57:18 -0400 mdkitfox@aol.com writes:
David,
You, my friend, are a speed builder relative to me. Good thing I
bought the quick build:-) I'll do my best to let you have the record
for the longest phase 1 test time, but you never know. Do you have
specs for plane? Cruise speed, Empty weight, etc? Going out to the
hangar now to press on before leaving for Oshkosh. By the way, where is
Woodstock, GA? I'm near Daytona Beach? Are you going to Oshkosh?
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: C David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:37:13 -0400 mdkitfox@aol.com writes:
......I have taken so much prodding by everyone I know about the
fact I am still building my Series V Speedster, and it's into it's 14th
year. It's nice to know there is someone else out there who's got me
beat, thank you, thank you! I have Serial Number 1 of the Model V and
it looks like this is the year to complete it (maybe )..........
Rick, I thought I might have the record for longest build time for a
5 (9 years-my original goal was 2 years-but life seems to get in the way
sometimes. But I may have longest Phase 1 test time-over a year now!!)
David Estapa
Woodstock, Georgia
N97DE S5 TD 912 ULS
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| Subject: | Re: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh |
Rick, I have the smooth cowl with the Earl's cooler.
I'll look you up at OSH.
David
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:39:11 -0400 mdkitfox@aol.com writes:
David,
I have the same engine/prop combination so I'm finding this particularly
interesting. I also have the bump cowl and the Earl's oil cooler which
is upfront under the engine, partially hidden by the cowl. Is yours
similar? High oil temp seems to be a common issue on early flights. I
test flew my friend's Model IV (40 hour test period) but we had EGT
problems. Turns out the probes were too close to the exhaust valves, we
moved them and the readings became normal - there never was a problem
with the temps themselves. We expected oil temp problems, but it didn't
seem to be an issue for us - we were lucky I guess. It sounds like your
airplane is performing real good.
I'll be at Oshkosh the whole time. If you make it to Aeroshell square
look for the Aeroshell coach (an ugly old RV) parked right next to the
road parallel to the flight line, and ask around for me. I'l be there
quite often, especially late in the afternoon each day. I'd like to say
hey!
Later,
RIck Weiss
Series V Speedster
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: C David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com>
Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh
=0 A
Rick, the plane came in at 833 lbs. My problem with long test period was
high oil temps and a vibration at high RPM's, and the plane is 50 miles
from home. I did a bunch of short flights, maybe 15 at no more than 30
minutes trying different mods to lower oil temps. I had pitched my prop
for 5200 static. Some one suggested it might be too flat, so I repitched
it for lower rpm. Still need to adjust, but I'm only getting 4800 at
takeoff. However oil temps dropped dramatically, speed increased, and
rate of climb increased. I'm seeing consistently 105 to 110 mph (no
pants, but strut fairings), and 1100 fpm climb at density altitudes of
2100 common in summer here. But you know I have more fun cruising around
the North Georgia mountains at 60. I plan on slowly changing pitch to see
what happens. (by the way it is a warp drive tapered tip, I believe 72
in,) Ironically my DAR assigned me 25 hours. I questioned this, but he
said I had an approved prop and engine combination. Most people I have
discussed this with say I'm legal after 25 hours, but I'm not convinced.
So I'm taking it to 40 hours. I have about thirty and no that I have most
issues solved it should go real quick.
Yes I'm going to OSH. Driving up Sunday and leaving Thursday. Woodstock
is 35 miles NE of Atlanta.
David
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:57:18 -0400 mdkitfox@aol.com writes:
David,
You, my friend, are a speed builder relative to me. Good thing I bought
the quick build:-) I'll do my best to let you have the record for the
longest phase 1 test time, but you never know. Do you have specs for
plane? Cruise speed, Empty weight, etc? Going out to the hangar now to
press on before leaving for Oshkosh. By the way, where is Woodstock, GA?
I'm near Daytona Beach? Are you going to Oshkosh?
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: C David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com>
Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:37:13 -0400 mdkitfox@aol.com writes:
......I have taken so much prodding by everyone I know about the fact I
am still building my Series V Speedster, and it's into it's 14th year. =0
A It's nice to know there is someone else out there who's got me beat,
thank you, thank you! I have Serial Number 1 of the Model V and it looks
like this is the year to complete it (maybe )..........
Rick, I thought I might have the record for longest build time for a 5 (9
years-my original goal was 2 years-but life seems to get in the way
sometimes. But I may have longest Phase 1 test time-over a year now!!)
David Estapa
Woodstock, Georgia
N97DE S5 TD 912 ULS
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| Subject: | Re: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh |
Yeah, Deke, I have the Rotax tack and calibrated it when first started. I
also installed a Tiny Tack temporarily to be sure. But left it in anyway.
David
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:17:55 -0400 "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
writes:
David, have you checked to see if your tach is reading correctly? There
have been many cases on this list where people were chasing problems only
to find out that the tach was the problem.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 380+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
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----- Original Message -----
From: C David Estapa
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh
Rick, the plane came in at 833 lbs. My problem with long test period was
high oil temps and a vibration at high RPM's, and the plane is 50 miles
from home. I did a bunch of short flights, maybe 15 at no more than 30
minutes trying different mods to lower oil temps. I had pitched my prop
for 5200 static. Some one suggested it might be too flat, so I repitched
it for lower rpm. Still need to adjust, but I'm only getting 4800 at
takeoff. However oil temps dropped dramatically, speed increased, and
rate of climb increased. I'm seeing consistently 105 to 110 mph (no
pants, but strut fairings), and 1100 fpm climb at density altitudes of
2100 common in summer here. But you know I have more fun cruising around
the North Georgia mountains at 60. I plan on slowly changing pitch to see
what happens. (by the way it is a warp drive tapered tip, I believe 72
in,) Ironically my DAR assigned me 25 hours. I questioned this, but he
said I had an approved prop and engine combination. Most people I have
discussed this with say I'm legal after 25 hours, but I'm not convinced.
So I'm taking it to 40 hours. I have about thirty and no that I have most
issues solved it should go real quick.
Yes I'm going to OSH. Driving up Sunday and leaving Thursday. Woodstock
is 35 miles NE of Atlanta.
David
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:57:18 -0400 mdkitfox@aol.com writes:
David,
You, my friend, are a speed builder relative to me. Good thing I bought
the quick build:-) I'll do my best to let you have the record for the
longest phase 1 test time, but you never know. Do you have specs for
plane? Cruise speed, Empty weight, etc? Going out to the hangar now to
press on before leaving for Oshkosh. By the way, where is Woodstock, GA?
I'm near Daytona Beach? Are you going to Oshkosh?
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: C David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com>
Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Build or not to build...& Oshkosh
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:37:13 -0400 mdkitfox@aol.com writes:
......I have taken so much prodding by everyone I know about the fact I
am still building my Series V Speedster, and it's into it's 14th year.
It's nice to know there is someone else out there who's got me beat,
thank you, thank you! I have Serial Number 1 of the Model V and it looks
like this is the year to complete it (maybe )..........
Rick, I thought I might have the record for longest build time for a 5 (9
years-my original goal was 2 years-but life seems to get in the way
sometimes. But I may have longest Phase 1 test time-over a year now!!)
David Estapa
Woodstock, Georgia
N97DE S5 TD 912 ULS
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I am looking at the Sensenich ground adjustable.- Been flying with the Se
nsenich wood for 500 hours and pleased but would like to be able to tweak t
he performance.- You might not find any absolute specific prop recomendat
ions in that the Lycoming and Continental Kitfox installations are not very
common.- I did not choose aluminum trying to save precious weight on the
nose of a heavy engine airplane.
S6/TD/IO240
Dublin, GA
--- On Sun, 7/13/08, John Ross <john_ross25@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: John Ross <john_ross25@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Proper prop
Can anyone give me any insight into the proper propeller selection for an O
-200? I would like any input on not-only a stock aluminum, but ground adj
ustable and in flight adjustable units. -Thanks.
-
John Ross
Green Bay, WI
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You could not give a wood prop for any engine, there are several very good reasons
that manufacturers have stopped using wood props. You get balance problems
due to moisture, they are extremely fragile, and most of all the efficiency
sucks. The prop is the fastest moving part of the airplane, the tips move around
500 MPH, and the wood prop has to be built much thicker and draggier than
is desirable to make up for the weakness of the material.
Performance wise, you would be better off to use a modern prop. If the aluminum
is 4 pounds heavier, you would only have to add just over 1 pound to the tail.
Performance wise, saving 5 pounds by using a wood prop is a very poor tradeoff
when you are giving up a lot of thrust and efficiency.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Going to Build a Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Any suggestions |
??
I would like to do mild aerobatics, and fly long cross country. I also need to
be able to fly in areas ( not inside ! ) of thunderstorms that always build here
during the daytime here in Florida, so the plane needs to be strong and agile
enough to handle the bad turbulence that often comes when one flys near a
storm. I plan on getting the quick build wings, but I was not sure about the
wings matched to fuselage option, weather I should do this or not.
I also need a heater, and would like to soundproof as much as possible. I don't
know if firewall sound proofing works well on a Kitfox ? I plan on an EFIS
panel, clouds happen and sometimes an artificial horizon can save your arse :)
Thats it in a nutshell, if there is anything else I should consider let me
know.
Thanks,
Mike
--------
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Going to Build a Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Any suggestions |
??
Love your quote and envy your new found problems. There are so many
variables and personal preferences. Might consider putting the fire wall
blanket on the inside. Just easier to keep things clean. Best sound
proofing comes in a Bose box and saves extra weight and work. Use a
sealed battery. One piece windshield. Bubble doors. Fold down panel.
Heater deflector to mix from feet to body. Garmin 396-496. Fuel monitor
or module for other instrument. Fuel valve with on off indent. G- meter,
AOA see it gets personal pretty fast. One mans dream, another mans what
the hell was he thinking.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
Sent: 2008-07-21 08:20
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Going to Build a Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Any
suggestions ??
I would like to do mild aerobatics, and fly long cross country. I also
need to be able to fly in areas ( not inside ! ) of thunderstorms that
always build here during the daytime here in Florida, so the plane needs
to be strong and agile enough to handle the bad turbulence that often
comes when one flys near a storm. I plan on getting the quick build
wings, but I was not sure about the wings matched to fuselage option,
weather I should do this or not.
I also need a heater, and would like to soundproof as much as possible.
I don't know if firewall sound proofing works well on a Kitfox ? I plan
on an EFIS panel, clouds happen and sometimes an artificial horizon can
save your arse :) Thats it in a nutshell, if there is anything else I
should consider let me know.
Thanks,
Mike
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could have !!!
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| Subject: | Kitfox serial number |
Hi!
Can anyone in this list tell me if there's a serial number on the Kitfox
fuselage? I have the original invoices from SkyStar, but no serial informed
in it, so I cannot really know if it refers to that particular plane or not.
Last week I almost purchased a Vixen, but with the help of some friends
discovered that it wasn't original, but a plane with many non-expertise
home-made modifications and, worried about problems, did not make the trade.
Now I aimed my interests on a Classic IV, but want to know if it's original.
I flew it and everything seems to be OK; not so fast, but very stable, no
vibrations, quickier responses than a Cessna, and very, very fun.
I've posted an e-mail to Kitfox with the invoices numbers, but I don't know
if they still have the 1992 files in order to send me any information.
So, I'm here again, begging your help.
Thanks.
Espuny
do not archive
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Oh rats, somebody forgot to tell me that!!!! I guess I better run out to the
hangar and pull that wood Sensenich off the front of my IO-240 before it
blows into splinters!!!
Jeff
> You could not give a wood prop for any engine, there are several very good reasons
that manufacturers have stopped using wood props. You get balance problems
due to moisture, they are extremely fragile, and most of all the efficiency
sucks. The prop is the fastest moving part of the airplane, the tips move around
500 MPH, and the wood prop has to be built much thicker and draggier than
is desirable to make up for the weakness of the material.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox serial number |
I recall someone writing that the kit s/n is stamped on the airframe at the
top center attach points for the shoulder harnasses. Whether it gets cover
ed during construction I do not know.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Francisco Espuny <espuny@terra.com.br> wrote:
From: Francisco Espuny <espuny@terra.com.br>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox serial number
<espuny@terra.com.br>
Hi!
Can anyone in this list tell me if there's a serial number on the Kitfox
fuselage? I have the original invoices from SkyStar, but no serial informed
in it, so I cannot really know if it refers to that particular plane or not
.
Last week I almost purchased a Vixen, but with the help of some friends
discovered that it wasn't original, but a plane with many non-expertise
home-made modifications and, worried about problems, did not make the trade
.
Now I aimed my interests on a Classic IV, but want to know if it's
original.
I flew it and everything seems to be OK; not so fast, but very stable, no
vibrations, quickier responses than a Cessna, and very, very fun.
I've posted an e-mail to Kitfox with the invoices numbers, but I don't
know
if they still have the 1992 files in order to send me any information.
So, I'm here again, begging your help.
Thanks.
Espuny
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox serial number |
Francisco, the serial number is on the tab that is the mount for the center
shoulder harness connection.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Francisco Espuny" <espuny@terra.com.br>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox serial number
> <espuny@terra.com.br>
>
> Hi!
> Can anyone in this list tell me if there's a serial number on the Kitfox
> fuselage? I have the original invoices from SkyStar, but no serial
> informed
> in it, so I cannot really know if it refers to that particular plane or
> not.
> Last week I almost purchased a Vixen, but with the help of some friends
> discovered that it wasn't original, but a plane with many non-expertise
> home-made modifications and, worried about problems, did not make the
> trade.
>
> Now I aimed my interests on a Classic IV, but want to know if it's
> original.
> I flew it and everything seems to be OK; not so fast, but very stable, no
> vibrations, quickier responses than a Cessna, and very, very fun.
> I've posted an e-mail to Kitfox with the invoices numbers, but I don't
> know
> if they still have the 1992 files in order to send me any information.
> So, I'm here again, begging your help.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Espuny
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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> From: JetPilot [orcabonita@hotmail.com]
> You get balance problems due to moisture, they are extremely fragile, and most
of
> all the efficiency sucks.
Perhaps, Mike. But with my Jabiru and direct drive, I must have a wood propeller.
It's a simple two blades fixed pitch, I have used it for 250 hours, it looks
good and ... if performance sucks, I wouldn't know; I am not after performance
but safety and simplicity.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe,
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Going to Build a Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Any suggestions |
??
At 08:43 AM 7/20/2008, you wrote:
>I am going to build the Kitfox 7 Super Sport with a Rotax 912-S, and
>tricycle gear. Are there are any mods or options that are a " Must
>Have " on this plane ?
Must have. . . Hmmm. Well, I would consider wings a must
have. Otherwise it's not really an airplane. Control surfaces are
probably a good idea, though you could make a weight shift Kitfox.
You've already got the engine, so I guess you might as well use it,
and the landing gear too, though of course you've got it backward. ;-)
>Any suggestions in building or that could make this the best plane
>possible would be greatly appreciated.
As others have already said, what's your mission? I've seen
everything from completely stripped, minimum weight, off-road
aircraft, to fully equipped IFR machines with glass panels,
autopilots, and leather interiors. Generally speaking you trade
weight for comfort and convenience, which means you trade short
field, climb, and altitude performance for cruise comfort and weather
capability. I've seen empty weights for 5-7 series aircraft anywhere
from 750# to 1050#. That's 300# of "stuff" someone thought they
needed. (If you include 4s you bring the empty weight down to below
600#, but much of the difference is structure.) Tell us what you want
to do and those like minded folks will be able to respond enthusiastically.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox serial number |
If you don't find the serial number on the center shoulder harness attach point
look on the front of the horizontal stabilizer attach plate. At some point they
evidently started putting them there. Thats where it is on my 1994 classic
4 kit.
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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Going to Build a Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Any suggestions |
??
At 08:20 AM 7/21/2008, you wrote:
>I would like to do mild aerobatics,
Short wing.
>and fly long cross country.
Long wing. ;-)
>I also need to be able to fly in areas ( not inside ! ) of
>thunderstorms that always build here during the daytime here in
>Florida, so the plane needs to be strong and agile enough to handle
>the bad turbulence that often comes when one flys near a storm.
Can't do much to change the strength, but a light plane will handle
more g's than a heavy plane. (Given the same strength.)
>I also need a heater,
Easy on a 912. Auto heat exchanger coupled to the radiator circuit
with a push/pull water mixing valve and DC computer fans for air.
I've seen some nice custom ducting with large eye-ball vents, as
well. I've also seen nice exhaust heat systems too.
>and would like to soundproof as much as possible. I don't know if
>firewall sound proofing works well on a Kitfox ?
Not necessary unless you want to fly without headsets. The 912 is
very quiet, and good headsets nearly eliminate what noise is there.
>I plan on an EFIS panel, clouds happen and sometimes an artificial
>horizon can save your arse :) Thats it in a nutshell, if there is
>anything else I should consider let me know.
Put in a nice baggage box before you cover. (Some like the wing
baggage boxes outboard of the fuel tanks too.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Going to Build a Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Any suggestions |
??
For the mentioned criteria - Long cross country, and mild aerobatics
I can think of better planes than the Kitfox.
I'm not bad mouthing them, since I did build and fly one, but it's
not the ideal choice for those things. It can certainly do a lot more
than local flying, and getting in and out of grass airports, but it's
not going to get you half way across the country while doing snappy
aileron rolls along the way on a tank of gas.
Plus it's not going to ride in turbulence like for example an Archer.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass |
At 07:59 PM 7/17/2008, you wrote:
>Mine could be fixed, or totaled; the wife votes for totaled. I will
>be caught up in the consequences of this for some time. Wish me luck.
Jeff,
I'm sorry to hear about your adventure. I've been out of
town for a while but I see the good and able list members already
took care of changing the thread subject. I hope you'll get it back
into the air - tube and rag aircraft are very repairable. I saw your
later post and think your A&P is being too conservative. All he has
to do is make sure the thing's symmetric left/right and it will be
fine. Find another and get it fixed.
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh group camping |
Around the bottom of Chicago, although as I get close to Gary, IN, I
start to think about flying along the shoreline. Not many places to
land there, but a lot more than going over the water.
Seems like we were in rows # 9 and 10 last year, eh, Marco? Close to
the john's, and close to the ICE!
What's "700"?
I gotta remember to leave my tiki torches behind this year...bummer.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
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On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:51 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Someone suggested last year, can't remember who, that as we taxi up
> to HBC, to put up another sign in the windscreen with the row we
> want to camp in. The idea is to get as many Kitfoxes parked
> together as possible. I think "700" was the suggestion.
>
>
> Might work. How about it?
>
>
> Lynn . . . gonna go around again this year or over the top?
>
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
>
> Model 2 582-90 C-Box
>
>
> --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Build ...& Oshkosh
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 2:59 PM
>
> I'll be in the Homebuilders Camping Area, same as last year. Cell
> #517- 945- 4381. I plan on getting there on Sunday before the thing
> opens. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying
> w/547+ hrs On Jul 20, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Rexinator wrote: > -->
> Everyone, > I'll be there camping next to the Rexsters model 3. My
> 1st trip to > Airventure and I'll be there the whole week. Hope to
> meet as many > Kitfoxers as possible. Please make note of my cell
> number and > contact me while there. > > -- > Rex Hefferan - cell:
> 719-651-9192 > SE Colorado / M-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs >
> > > > mdkitfox@aol.com wrote: > >> <snip> >> >> Is any one going to
> be at Oshkosh this year? Did I miss that >> thread? The mind is a
> terrible thing to waste! >> >> Rick Weiss >> Series V Speedster > >
> > > > > _-
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh group camping |
I fly the shoreline from time to time as I'm located at Schaumburg, and
previously waukegan. Truth is there is pretty much nowhere to land, and
even if you aim for the clearest spot you can find it likely has a bunch of
people on the ground. Best bet carry life preservers and stay close to the
sail boats which are always around.
Worse comes to worse it's only about 30 minutes of high pucker factor
anyway after Gary:)
Regards,
Jeff
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550 hours on my wood prop, and I certainly haven't been sitting
around waiting for the moisture to dry out. : ) If they are not
'modern" somebody better tell Sensenich, because they are 10 weeks
behind in making props to fill orders.
The Jabiru engine "requires" a wood prop to dampen out torsional
vibrations, so I've been told, although the newer composition props
are also being used on Jabirus, but definitely not metal.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: JetPilot [orcabonita@hotmail.com]
>> You get balance problems due to moisture, they are extremely
>> fragile, and most of
>> all the efficiency sucks.
>
> Perhaps, Mike. But with my Jabiru and direct drive, I must have a
> wood propeller. It's a simple two blades fixed pitch, I have used
> it for 250 hours, it looks good and ... if performance sucks, I
> wouldn't know; I am not after performance but safety and simplicity.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe,
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh group camping |
I think I'll stick to flying under the 3-4000' level of Chi's B
airspace, on the west side....like my flight instructor tells me:
"You're retired, and it's only 30 minutes further...what's your hurry?"
I've flown to Osh twice now, and the fog or shore mist has been bad
on both of those trips going up, and on the one return trip...went
around the top of Michigan on the other. I can't say whether the
"inland" route is any better, but it beats swimming.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
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On Jul 21, 2008, at 5:05 PM, n85ae wrote:
>
> I fly the shoreline from time to time as I'm located at Schaumburg,
> and
> previously waukegan. Truth is there is pretty much nowhere to land,
> and
> even if you aim for the clearest spot you can find it likely has a
> bunch of
> people on the ground. Best bet carry life preservers and stay close
> to the
> sail boats which are always around.
>
> Worse comes to worse it's only about 30 minutes of high pucker factor
> anyway after Gary:)
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194205#194205
>
>
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| Subject: | come fly with me |
Here's a little something to help you relax when list traffic is slow.
Use your mouse for directional control.
Deke
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| Subject: | Re: come fly with me |
It didn't do squat for me, Deke. I got it all downloaded and it just
sat there....
Hey, by the way are you going to Osh?
Lynn
On Jul 21, 2008, at 8:15 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> Here's a little something to help you relax when list traffic is
> slow. Use your mouse for directional control.
> Deke
> do not archive
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>
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NICE.. looks just like a flight I did last week!
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> You could not give a wood prop for any engine,prop has to be built much thicker
and draggier than is desirable to make up for the weakness of the material.
>
> Performance wise, you would be better off to use a modern prop
Obviously you really don;t know.
Dave
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Flying in the rain WAS: Proper prop |
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> If they are not
> 'modern" somebody better tell Sensenich, because they are 10 weeks
> behind in making props to fill orders.
No wonder, I find the Sensenich props very sexy!
Lynn, how does your prop withstand rain? I was told that wood props are not very
good at that. My Jabiru wood prop is still okay but I fly very little in rain
and if I can't avoid it, I always fly at low RPM.
This leads me to change the subject of the title and ask you all: how do you fly
in rain? I mean, beside the fact that visibility is very reduced, what are your
experience with rain?
I ask because we have a very wet summer here in Norway and I have already cancelled
two fly-ins because of the rain.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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> From: fox5flyer [fox5flyer@idealwifi.net]
> Here's a little something to help you relax when list traffic is slow.
> http://www.electricoyster.com/electric3d/index.html
... there you are! I knew it all the time: The universe is finite but unbounded!
:-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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