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1. 04:05 AM - Re: come fly with me (fox5flyer)
2. 04:34 AM - Re: Oshkosh group camping (n61kf)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: Flying in the rain WAS: Proper prop (Lynn Matteson)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: come fly with me (Lynn Matteson)
5. 05:55 AM - Re: Flying in the rain (Michel Verheughe)
6. 07:39 AM - Re: Flying in the rain WAS: Proper prop (n85ae)
7. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Flying in the rain (Lynn Matteson)
8. 08:50 AM - Re: Oshkosh group camping (Marco Menezes)
9. 09:03 AM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (Marco Menezes)
10. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: Flying in the rain (Lynn Matteson)
11. 09:25 AM - Re: Oshkosh group camping (Lynn Matteson)
12. 09:28 AM - Re: Flying in the rain (Michel Verheughe)
13. 09:36 AM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (Rexinator)
14. 09:37 AM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (Lynn Matteson)
15. 09:43 AM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (n85ae)
16. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Flying in the rain (Lynn Matteson)
17. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Flying in the rain (Lowell Fitt)
18. 10:06 AM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (Rexinator)
19. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (Lynn Matteson)
20. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Flying in the rain (Lynn Matteson)
21. 10:22 AM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (Lowell Fitt)
22. 10:28 AM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (n85ae)
23. 10:35 AM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (Lynn Matteson)
24. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Oshkosh group camping (Guy Buchanan)
25. 11:10 AM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (Guy Buchanan)
26. 11:35 AM - Re: New Items, Oshkosh and the Factory Fly-in (Guy Buchanan)
27. 01:23 PM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (bob noffs)
28. 01:58 PM - Re: Flying in the rain WAS: Proper prop (n85ae)
29. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: Flying in the rain (Steven Didier)
30. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (Lynn Matteson)
31. 03:27 PM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (Lynn Matteson)
32. 04:42 PM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (K&MCozik)
33. 05:27 PM - Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping (Noel Loveys)
34. 08:21 PM - Ribs for elevator (Clint Bazzill)
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| Subject: | Re: come fly with me |
Reset your computer and try again, Lynn.
I have to pass on the O this year. Blew my wad on the northern Canada
fishing trip and I have a couple other issues that are getting in the way.
Have a great time and give us a report.
do not archive
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 380+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: come fly with me
>
> It didn't do squat for me, Deke. I got it all downloaded and it just sat
> there....
>
> Hey, by the way are you going to Osh?
>
> Lynn
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2008, at 8:15 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>> Here's a little something to help you relax when list traffic is slow.
>> Use your mouse for directional control.
>> Deke
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.electricoyster.com/electric3d/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh group camping |
I will be flying up to Oshkosh from southern Ohio. Does anyone have suggestions
on airports in northern IN, IL, or southern Wis. that sell mo-gas.
In anticipation of using 100LL I ordered TCP from ACS, and it is back ordered.
I started looking around and it seems it is unavailable from the manufacture.
I will have to stay with mo-gas.
I should be arriving in Oshkosh on Friday or Saturday, and will be camping in the
homebuilt area. Hope to meet some of you there.
Keith Schneider
Mod IV 912
Waynesville Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Flying in the rain WAS: Proper prop |
I've flown in rain only about 4-6 times, and that was minimal rain.
Just a brief little shower, so visibility wasn't all that bad. My
leading edge is showing signs of very slight pitting, but I attribute
this to mostly the sandy dirt conditions that you get on some grass
strips. This pitting I refer to is like the edge was hit with a
sandblaster...pitted but smooth, but not polished any longer like
when it was new. I'm going to check with the Sensenich folks at
Oshkosh next week and see if their new composite ground-adjustable
prop is out of flight testing yet...it is for the Jabiru and Rotax
engines.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:23 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> If they are not
>> 'modern" somebody better tell Sensenich, because they are 10 weeks
>> behind in making props to fill orders.
>
> No wonder, I find the Sensenich props very sexy!
> Lynn, how does your prop withstand rain? I was told that wood props
> are not very good at that. My Jabiru wood prop is still okay but I
> fly very little in rain and if I can't avoid it, I always fly at
> low RPM.
> This leads me to change the subject of the title and ask you all:
> how do you fly in rain? I mean, beside the fact that visibility is
> very reduced, what are your experience with rain?
>
> I ask because we have a very wet summer here in Norway and I have
> already cancelled two fly-ins because of the rain.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: come fly with me |
I'll try again, Deke. I figured it wasn't Mac compatible.......
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
do not archive
On Jul 22, 2008, at 6:57 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Reset your computer and try again, Lynn.
> I have to pass on the O this year. Blew my wad on the northern
> Canada fishing trip and I have a couple other issues that are
> getting in the way. Have a great time and give us a report.
>
> do not archive
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 380+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: come fly with me
>
>
>>
>> It didn't do squat for me, Deke. I got it all downloaded and it
>> just sat there....
>>
>> Hey, by the way are you going to Osh?
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2008, at 8:15 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a little something to help you relax when list traffic is
>>> slow. Use your mouse for directional control.
>>> Deke
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
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>>
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| Subject: | RE: Flying in the rain |
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> My leading edge is showing signs of very slight pitting, but I attribute
> this to mostly the sandy dirt conditions that you get on some grass
> strips.
Thanks, Lynn. My Jabiru propeller has a rubbery stuff on the leading edge. It can
hardly be pitted. Do you also reduce RPM in the rain?
You also wrote:
> I'll try again, Deke. I figured it wasn't Mac compatible.......
It is Mac compatible, Lynn. I see it very well with Safari.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Flying in the rain WAS: Proper prop |
Michel -
The rain will remove the leading edge of the prop given enough time.
I flew mine in moderate rain for about 20 minutes and found the finish
at the tips was pretty well pitted. It would be just a matter of time to
do real damage. I think flying in the rain because you have to get
through it is probably ok, but I would not intentionally fly in it with
the wood prop.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Flying in the rain |
Is your leading edge the yellow transparent stuff? I can make a mark
with a fingernail, and it is gone within seconds...probably the same
stuff. I do reduce RPM in the rain, but haven't really made a
conscience effort to maintain a certain RPM....I probably run it
about 2400.
Now when you say your "Jabiru propellor" you really mean Sensenich
propellor, right, Michel? I was pretty sure that's what you had, if I
recall correctly. Not pickin' nits, just wanting to clarify, because
some of the Jabiru-made props were made with really soft wood as I
recall. From what I heard, they made some props from some funky wood
from Aussie land, and it wasn't very good "for children and other
living things." It seems like this was the wood that was too soft to
hold the bolt torques, but I might be wrong.
I've downloaded the site, complete with title, background clouds, and
a green "progress bar" but nothing I do with the mouse (single button
mouse) has any effect....this is on Safari 2.0.3.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> My leading edge is showing signs of very slight pitting, but I
>> attribute
>> this to mostly the sandy dirt conditions that you get on some grass
>> strips.
>
> Thanks, Lynn. My Jabiru propeller has a rubbery stuff on the
> leading edge. It can hardly be pitted. Do you also reduce RPM in
> the rain?
>
> You also wrote:
>> I'll try again, Deke. I figured it wasn't Mac compatible.......
>
> It is Mac compatible, Lynn. I see it very well with Safari.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh group camping |
"700" is the first slot in row 7. Last year I was in row 3 (313), also very
close to the toilets. I think it was Bruce Lina that suggested 7, probably
because that's where he was parked? Never mind the torches, bring more bee
r. :-)
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Medel 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh group camping
Around the bottom of Chicago, although as I get close to Gary, IN, I
start to think about flying along the shoreline. Not many places to
land there, but a lot more than going over the water.
Seems like we were in rows # 9 and 10 last year, eh, Marco? Close to
the john's, and close to the ICE!
What's "700"?
I gotta remember to leave my tiki torches behind this year...bummer.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
do not archive
On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:51 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Someone suggested last year, can't remember who, that as we taxi up
> to HBC, to put up another sign in the windscreen with the row we
> want to camp in. The idea is to get as many Kitfoxes parked
> together as possible. I think "700" was the suggestion.
>
>
> Might work. How about it?
>
>
> Lynn . . . gonna go around again this year or over the top?
>
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
>
> Model 2 582-90 C-Box
>
>
> --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Build ...& Oshkosh
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 2:59 PM
>
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
> I'll be in the Homebuilders Camping Area, same as last year. Cell
> #517- 945- 4381. I plan on getting there on Sunday before the thing
> opens. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying
> w/547+ hrs On Jul 20, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Rexinator wrote: > -->
>
> Everyone, > I'll be there camping next to the Rexsters model 3. My
> 1st trip to > Airventure and I'll be there the whole week. Hope to
> meet as many > Kitfoxers as possible. Please make note of my cell
> number and > contact me while there. > > -- > Rex Hefferan -
cell:
> 719-651-9192 > SE Colorado / M-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs >
> > > > mdkitfox@aol.com wrote: > >> <snip> >>
>> Is any one going to
> be at Oshkosh this year? Did I miss that >> thread? The mind is a
> terrible thing to waste! >> >> Rick Weiss >> Series V
Speedster > >
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
Last year I flew across from Big Sable-point in Michigan to Manitowoc, WI
. Less than an hour over the water, at 70 mph. Climbed to 8500 feet before
going feet wet and stayed in contact with lake reporting service (122.450).
For me it was much shorter and, all things considered, probably alot safer
that flying-around Chicago airspace.
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
--- On Mon, 7/21/08, n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oshkosh group camping
I fly the shoreline from time to time as I'm located at Schaumburg, and
previously waukegan. Truth is there is pretty much nowhere to land, and
even if you aim for the clearest spot you can find it likely has a bunch of
people on the ground. Best bet carry life preservers and stay close to the
sail boats which are always around.
Worse comes to worse it's only about 30 minutes of high pucker factor
anyway after Gary:)
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Flying in the rain |
I just tried again. This time I shut the Mac down and restarted, then
went to Safari and reset Safari, after noting the warning:
"......erases your browsing history, empties the cache, clears the
Downloads window, and removes cookies." (probably renders me
sterile, infests my house with vermin, causes warts, informs the CIA,
the IRS, the FAA, and others about my secret habits...etc)...but
still nothing. This time the progress bar took about 5 minutes to
fill with green, but nothing beyond that. I'll mail it to a buddy of
mine and see what his IBM clone will do with it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
do not archive
On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> I'll try again, Deke. I figured it wasn't Mac compatible.......
>
> It is Mac compatible, Lynn. I see it very well with Safari.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh group camping |
You were at least one row in front of me, and I was in row 9, 10, 11,
or 12, don't recall which, so I think you might have been row 13,
slot #3, eh? And Bruce was behind me, so row 7 sounds about right. I
got lucky last year to have a friend drive a "welcome wagon" and he
was up for a beer run, so that worked out just right. This year, I
might be tempted to air freight some in myself...is that legal?
Guns, no, but beer? Gotta check those regs again, dammit!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
do not archive
On Jul 22, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> "700" is the first slot in row 7. Last year I was in row 3 (313),
> also very close to the toilets. I think it was Bruce Lina that
> suggested 7, probably because that's where he was parked? Never
> mind the torches, bring more beer. :-)
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
>
> Medel 2 582-90 C-Box
>
>
> --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh group camping
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 4:55 PM
>
> Around the bottom of Chicago, although as I get close to Gary, IN,
> I start to think about flying along the shoreline. Not many places
> to land there, but a lot more than going over the water. Seems like
> we were in rows # 9 and 10 last year, eh, Marco? Close to the
> john's, and close to the ICE! What's "700"? I gotta remember to
> leave my tiki torches behind this year...bummer. Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/547+ hrs do not
> archive On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:51 AM, Marco Menezes wrote: >
> Someone suggested last year, can't remember who, that as we taxi up
> > to HBC, to put up another sign in the windscreen with the row we
> > want to camp in. The idea is to get as many Kitfoxes parked >
> together as possible. I think "700" was the suggestion. > > > Might
> work. How about it? > > > Lynn . . . gonna go around again this
> year or over the top? > > > Marco Menezes N99KX > > Model 2 582-90
> C-Box > > > > --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> wrote: > > From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> > Subject: Re:
> Kitfox-List: To Build ...& Oshkosh > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 2:59 PM > > --> Kitfox-List message
> posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> > I'll be in the
> Homebuilders Camping Area, same as last year. Cell > #517- 945-
> 4381. I plan on getting there on Sunday before the thing > opens.
> Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying > w/547
> + hrs On Jul 20, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Rexinator wrote: > --> > Kitfox-
> List message posted by: Rexinator <hefferans@gmail.com> > > >
> Everyone, > I'll be there camping next to the Rexsters model 3. My
> > 1st trip to > Airventure and I'll be there the whole week. Hope
> to > meet as many > Kitfoxers as possible. Please make note of my
> cell > number and > contact me while there. > > -- > Rex Hefferan -
> cell: > 719-651-9192 > SE Colorado / M-II / 582-C / still waiting
> repairs > > > > > mdkitfox@aol.com wrote: > >> <snip> >> >> Is any
> one going to > be at Oshkosh this year? Did I miss that >> thread?
> The mind is a > terrible thing to waste! >> >> Rick Weiss >> Series
> V Speedster > > > > > > > _- >
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Thanks Jeff. The thing is; I don't see how I can get pit on that soft rubbery stuff
I have on my leading edge.
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> Is your leading edge the yellow transparent stuff?
Negative, Sir. It's black and it is the original Jabiru prop. When I bought the
engine, my dealer said that it was probably the safest prop because it was extensively
tested by Jabiru.
... but the Sensenich looks much better.
> ....I probably run it about 2400.
Yep, that's also my RPM if it rains or very turbulent.
> From what I heard, they made some props from some funky wood
> from Aussie land, and it wasn't very good "for children and other
> living things."
Gosh, I hope mine is made of ... good wood.
> seems like this was the wood that was too soft to
> hold the bolt torques, but I might be wrong.
My bolts haven't moved a fart since I installed the prop. I guess the belleville
washers are doing a good job.
> ....this is on Safari 2.0.3.
On my Mac, it works well on Safari 1.3.2 ... yeah, I know it shows my age, doesn't
it? :-) Just wondering, can't you see if you don't new a newer version of
Java?
I am pretty sure that stuff runs on Java.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
What is it about flying over large expanses of water that makes many of
us nervous? I always felt better if I can at least stay within gliding
distance of land.
Hope to meet you and Lynn there next week.
Do not archive
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Marco Menezes wrote:
> Last year I flew across from Big Sable point in Michigan to Manitowoc,
> WI. Less than an hour over the water, at 70 mph. Climbed to 8500 feet
> before going feet wet and stayed in contact with lake reporting
> service (122.450). For me it was much shorter and, all things
> considered, probably alot safer that flying around Chicago airspace.
>
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
>
> Model 2 582-90 C-Box
>
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
The guy (Pete) with the Peitenpol (sp?) next to me flew over the
water at 300' he said. Flying any higher just "prolonged the agony"
if he conked out, he said. No thanks, says I. : )
I asked my instructor yesterday if there were any other reasons for
not going over the water, other than (for me) common sense, and he
said because you're not instrument rated. I'm not up to speed on the
water ruling...anybody know if this is true, or was he just giving me
another reason to stay dry? : )
With all the weather that I've encountered so far, if I decided to
fly the water, a storm would come up just to prove a point.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
do not archive
On Jul 22, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Last year I flew across from Big Sable point in Michigan to
> Manitowoc, WI. Less than an hour over the water, at 70 mph. Climbed
> to 8500 feet before going feet wet and stayed in contact with lake
> reporting service (122.450). For me it was much shorter and, all
> things considered, probably alot safer that flying around Chicago
> airspace.
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
>
> Model 2 582-90 C-Box
>
> --- On Mon, 7/21/08, n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oshkosh group camping
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:05 PM
>
> the shoreline from time to time as I'm located at Schaumburg, and
> previously waukegan. Truth is there is pretty much nowhere to land,
> and even if you aim for the clearest spot you can find it likely
> has a bunch of people on the ground. Best bet carry life preservers
> and stay close to the sail boats which are always around. Worse
> comes to worse it's only about 30 minutes of high pucker factor
> anyway after Gary:) Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
Marco -
I'm home based at Schaumburg (06C) just to the west of O'Hare (ORD)
flying around the Class B is not tricky, I think it more has to do with
people being nervous around the perceived difficult airspace. Every
year during Oshkosh they put up additional ATC service's in the area.
If you pick up flight following say around Gary they will hand you off to
their special Oshkosh controllers who will help you get around the
Class B. It's very simple and very safe.
I fly over the lake a bit, and I can tell you it is NOT safe. I have a
Hangar neighbor who does the Lake crossing regularly enroute to
Traverse City, what he does is calculate when the Ferry from
Milwaukee to Mich will be halfway and plans his flight over the ferry
route. Even with life preservers it is NOT a safe flight, and he
readily admits it.
I'm not saying don't do it ... But given how simple it really is to go
around the Class B with ATC assist, if you aren't in a hurry I can't
see any good reason to fly over the Lake versus negotiating the
Class B.
The biggest danger I find under the Class B is the towers just west
ORD and a few to the south of 06C if you know they are there it's
not a problem.
I think calling ATC and asking for flight following around the ORD
Class B during Oshkosh is by far the safest way to go. They may
even have special procedures in place which will allow you inside
parts of the Class B, depending on what approaches the Airliners
are using into O'Hare on the particular day of the flight.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Flying in the rain |
Michel-
Your bolts may not have moved, but how is the torque on them? That's
the important measure. If the humidity goes down, the wood shrinks,
and the bolts aren't clamping the prop and hub together with as much
force. Sensenich has specific instructions about how much torque to
apply, and how often to check the bolts, citing too much can crush
the wood fibers and allow moisture into the prop, while not enough
can allow the face of the prop-to-drive flange to slip, however
slight due to the "drive bushings" that don't really drive the prop.
(that one is hard for me to believe) Have you got the stack of
belleville washers noted in the "alternate prop attaching" method
bulletin? I think it uses about 4 washers per bolt? I believe that
was to provide for the expanding and shrinking of the prop wood that
the Jabiru-made props were made from. Again, just my recollection of
what I read.
The Sensenich has also been tested, and it was the one that
came....well, six weeks later, after Sensenich got done with a
military prop order....with my engine. I recall that you got your
engine a few months before I got mine (mine came in August of 2005),
so maybe the technology changed over those months.
I'll check Java and see how old it is. A newer version of Safari...
3....is waiting in the wings, but that doesn't seem to be my problem
with the "oyster" thing.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> Thanks Jeff. The thing is; I don't see how I can get pit on that
> soft rubbery stuff I have on my leading edge.
>
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> Is your leading edge the yellow transparent stuff?
> Negative, Sir. It's black and it is the original Jabiru prop. When
> I bought the engine, my dealer said that it was probably the safest
> prop because it was extensively tested by Jabiru.
> ... but the Sensenich looks much better.
>
>> ....I probably run it about 2400.
>
> Yep, that's also my RPM if it rains or very turbulent.
>
>> From what I heard, they made some props from some funky wood
>> from Aussie land, and it wasn't very good "for children and other
>> living things."
>
> Gosh, I hope mine is made of ... good wood.
>
>> seems like this was the wood that was too soft to
>> hold the bolt torques, but I might be wrong.
>
> My bolts haven't moved a fart since I installed the prop. I guess
> the belleville washers are doing a good job.
>
>> ....this is on Safari 2.0.3.
>
> On my Mac, it works well on Safari 1.3.2 ... yeah, I know it shows
> my age, doesn't it? :-) Just wondering, can't you see if you don't
> new a newer version of Java?
> I am pretty sure that stuff runs on Java.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Flying in the rain |
Lynn,
Your note brought me to boot up the G5 and see if I could veiw the site ion
it. I have Safari 3.1.2 and it plays fine. One thing I notice, though,
with the Mac, the virtual airplane banks toward the cursor and with the PC
the controls are reversed. Need to check the rigging, I guess.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Flying in the rain
>
> Is your leading edge the yellow transparent stuff? I can make a mark with
> a fingernail, and it is gone within seconds...probably the same stuff. I
> do reduce RPM in the rain, but haven't really made a conscience effort to
> maintain a certain RPM....I probably run it about 2400.
>
> Now when you say your "Jabiru propellor" you really mean Sensenich
> propellor, right, Michel? I was pretty sure that's what you had, if I
> recall correctly. Not pickin' nits, just wanting to clarify, because some
> of the Jabiru-made props were made with really soft wood as I recall.
> From what I heard, they made some props from some funky wood from Aussie
> land, and it wasn't very good "for children and other living things." It
> seems like this was the wood that was too soft to hold the bolt torques,
> but I might be wrong.
>
> I've downloaded the site, complete with title, background clouds, and a
> green "progress bar" but nothing I do with the mouse (single button
> mouse) has any effect....this is on Safari 2.0.3.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
>>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>>> My leading edge is showing signs of very slight pitting, but I
>>> attribute
>>> this to mostly the sandy dirt conditions that you get on some grass
>>> strips.
>>
>> Thanks, Lynn. My Jabiru propeller has a rubbery stuff on the leading
>> edge. It can hardly be pitted. Do you also reduce RPM in the rain?
>>
>> You also wrote:
>>> I'll try again, Deke. I figured it wasn't Mac compatible.......
>>
>> It is Mac compatible, Lynn. I see it very well with Safari.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel Verheughe
>> Norway
>> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>>
>>
>>
>> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
Lynn,
I don't think there is a FAR restriction in uncontrolled airspace for
over water flight if not for hire. I believe there are cautionary
statements about the hazards of encountering IFR conditions which could
develop rapidly. Even in certain VFR conditions overcast and haze could
blend the water/sky horizon to make it indistinguishable. (Until you hit
the water, that is.) ;-)
If you've got a good blue sky with only a few clouds it's probably up
to you and your pucker factor.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> The guy (Pete) with the Peitenpol (sp?) next to me flew over the
> water at 300' he said. Flying any higher just "prolonged the agony"
> if he conked out, he said. No thanks, says I. : )
>
> I asked my instructor yesterday if there were any other reasons for
> not going over the water, other than (for me) common sense, and he
> said because you're not instrument rated. I'm not up to speed on the
> water ruling...anybody know if this is true, or was he just giving me
> another reason to stay dry? : )
>
> With all the weather that I've encountered so far, if I decided to
> fly the water, a storm would come up just to prove a point.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
I can understand Marco wanting to go over the water, as he'd probably
have to fly 300 miles further to leave Mid-Michigan (where he's
located) and go around either to the south around Chicago, or north
around the Upper Michigan shoreline. Believe me, I'd have to think
several times about flying all that distance if I lived where he
does. But if I did fly over the water, I would bust my Sport Pilot-
induced 10,000' altitude limit in a heartbeat. For me, the fear would
be that section in the middle of the trip where the glide would not
work, either coming back or going forward. I love and trust my Jabiru
engine, but I don't trust Mr Murphy. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
do not archive
On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:41 PM, n85ae wrote:
>
> Marco -
>
> I'm home based at Schaumburg (06C) just to the west of O'Hare (ORD)
> flying around the Class B is not tricky, I think it more has to do
> with
> people being nervous around the perceived difficult airspace. Every
> year during Oshkosh they put up additional ATC service's in the area.
> If you pick up flight following say around Gary they will hand you
> off to
> their special Oshkosh controllers who will help you get around the
> Class B. It's very simple and very safe.
>
> I fly over the lake a bit, and I can tell you it is NOT safe. I have a
> Hangar neighbor who does the Lake crossing regularly enroute to
> Traverse City, what he does is calculate when the Ferry from
> Milwaukee to Mich will be halfway and plans his flight over the ferry
> route. Even with life preservers it is NOT a safe flight, and he
> readily admits it.
>
> I'm not saying don't do it ... But given how simple it really is to go
> around the Class B with ATC assist, if you aren't in a hurry I can't
> see any good reason to fly over the Lake versus negotiating the
> Class B.
>
> The biggest danger I find under the Class B is the towers just west
> ORD and a few to the south of 06C if you know they are there it's
> not a problem.
>
> I think calling ATC and asking for flight following around the ORD
> Class B during Oshkosh is by far the safest way to go. They may
> even have special procedures in place which will allow you inside
> parts of the Class B, depending on what approaches the Airliners
> are using into O'Hare on the particular day of the flight.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194386#194386
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Flying in the rain |
Hi Lowell-
I think I'll do the upgrade to the version 3 for Safari tonight, when
the birds have gone to bed and not sitting on the telephone wires,
slowing things down. : ) Maybe there's a Java update in there as well.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
do not archive
On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Lynn,
>
> Your note brought me to boot up the G5 and see if I could veiw the
> site ion it. I have Safari 3.1.2 and it plays fine. One thing I
> notice, though, with the Mac, the virtual airplane banks toward the
> cursor and with the PC the controls are reversed. Need to check
> the rigging, I guess.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Flying in the rain
>
>
>>
>> Is your leading edge the yellow transparent stuff? I can make a
>> mark with a fingernail, and it is gone within seconds...probably
>> the same stuff. I do reduce RPM in the rain, but haven't really
>> made a conscience effort to maintain a certain RPM....I probably
>> run it about 2400.
>>
>> Now when you say your "Jabiru propellor" you really mean Sensenich
>> propellor, right, Michel? I was pretty sure that's what you had,
>> if I recall correctly. Not pickin' nits, just wanting to clarify,
>> because some of the Jabiru-made props were made with really soft
>> wood as I recall. From what I heard, they made some props from
>> some funky wood from Aussie land, and it wasn't very good "for
>> children and other living things." It seems like this was the
>> wood that was too soft to hold the bolt torques, but I might be
>> wrong.
>>
>> I've downloaded the site, complete with title, background clouds,
>> and a green "progress bar" but nothing I do with the mouse
>> (single button mouse) has any effect....this is on Safari 2.0.3.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Jabiru 2200
>> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>>
>>>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>>>> My leading edge is showing signs of very slight pitting, but I
>>>> attribute
>>>> this to mostly the sandy dirt conditions that you get on some grass
>>>> strips.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Lynn. My Jabiru propeller has a rubbery stuff on the
>>> leading edge. It can hardly be pitted. Do you also reduce RPM in
>>> the rain?
>>>
>>> You also wrote:
>>>> I'll try again, Deke. I figured it wasn't Mac compatible.......
>>>
>>> It is Mac compatible, Lynn. I see it very well with Safari.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michel Verheughe
>>> Norway
>>> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>>>
>>> List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a>
>>> forums.matronics.com</a>
>>> www.matronics.com/contribution</a>
>>>
>>> </b></font></pre>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
Rex,
I guess flying over large expanses of water has to do with an earlier thread
that suggested that it would be wise to always be prepared for an engine
problem. After our forced landing, the most frequent comment from my
passenger (read) wife, has something to do with our good fortune at having
the problem arise within ten minutes of departure rather than 30 minutes.
The ten minutes resulted in us landing on a piece of property where the
owner just happened to be sweeping out his barn and we were within a mile or
two of a fully staffed fire station. All the help we needed and more was
plane side within 5 minutes. The thirty minutes would have most certainly
placed us over some very rugged terrain at the higher elevations of the
Sierra Nevada Mountains, just short of Lake Tahoe. It might have been hours
before help would have arrived.
We were in the hospital when word came that Steve Faucett was lost in
eastern Nevada while exploring dry lake beds for a possible land speed
record attempt. He is still missing and the search effort was enormous.
Due to the total lack of any sign of him or his airplane, some speculate
that a water landing was involved.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rexinator" <hefferans@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping
>
> What is it about flying over large expanses of water that makes many of us
> nervous? I always felt better if I can at least stay within gliding
> distance of land.
>
> Hope to meet you and Lynn there next week.
>
> Do not archive
>
> --
> Rex Hefferan
> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
>
> Marco Menezes wrote:
>
>> Last year I flew across from Big Sable point in Michigan to Manitowoc,
>> WI. Less than an hour over the water, at 70 mph. Climbed to 8500 feet
>> before going feet wet and stayed in contact with lake reporting service
>> (122.450). For me it was much shorter and, all things considered,
>> probably alot safer that flying around Chicago airspace.
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Marco Menezes N99KX
>>
>> Model 2 582-90 C-Box
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
Actually I'll be on the Ferry with my wife and kids on Saturday
going to Michigan to go sailing next week. Anybody want to do
a low flyby of the Ferry mid lake I'll be happy to send you your
overwater pics. :)
Lynn you are in Grass Lake? Do you ever fly in and out of Napolean
3NP? I have a good friend that lives there and occasionally fly in to
Napolean
If I didn't screw up the attachments here's two lakeshore views from
the East side of the City. One is Northbound just past Gary, the other
is southbound just off of Waukegan . As you can see you would be
swimming for sure if you lose a motor here.
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
Thanks Rex....I think with my track record of "causing weather to
develop" whenever I make plans to go somewhere, I'll just play it
safe and stick to land. No sense in testing the "other" P-factor. : )
One of these days maybe I'll give the return trip over water a
thought, with the winds more favorable that way, and therefore less
"clench-time" involved.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
do not archive
On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Rexinator wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> I don't think there is a FAR restriction in uncontrolled airspace
> for over water flight if not for hire. I believe there are
> cautionary statements about the hazards of encountering IFR
> conditions which could develop rapidly. Even in certain VFR
> conditions overcast and haze could blend the water/sky horizon to
> make it indistinguishable. (Until you hit the water, that is.) ;-)
> If you've got a good blue sky with only a few clouds it's probably
> up to you and your pucker factor.
>
> --
> Rex Hefferan
> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>>
>> The guy (Pete) with the Peitenpol (sp?) next to me flew over the
>> water at 300' he said. Flying any higher just "prolonged the
>> agony" if he conked out, he said. No thanks, says I. : )
>>
>> I asked my instructor yesterday if there were any other reasons
>> for not going over the water, other than (for me) common sense,
>> and he said because you're not instrument rated. I'm not up to
>> speed on the water ruling...anybody know if this is true, or was
>> he just giving me another reason to stay dry? : )
>>
>> With all the weather that I've encountered so far, if I decided
>> to fly the water, a storm would come up just to prove a point.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Jabiru 2200
>> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
>> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh group camping |
At 04:31 AM 7/22/2008, you wrote:
>In anticipation of using 100LL I ordered TCP from ACS, and it is
>back ordered. I started looking around and it seems it is
>unavailable from the manufacture. I will have to stay with mo-gas.
Also available from http://www.decalinchemicals.com/.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
At 10:04 AM 7/22/2008, you wrote:
>I believe there are cautionary statements about the hazards of
>encountering IFR conditions which could develop rapidly. Even in
>certain VFR conditions overcast and haze could blend the water/sky
>horizon to make it indistinguishable. (Until you hit the water, that is.);-)
I did this during my flight training. Flying south-east out
of Catalina Island at dusk the whole sky went pink top to bottom,
left to right. I was in hard IFR for about 1/2 hour. Even with my
instructor on board my sphincter was double tight. She told me these
were the conditions in which Kennedy crashed. Scary.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: New Items, Oshkosh and the Factory Fly-in |
At 06:05 PM 7/19/2008, you wrote:
>Kitfox Bush Gear: This has been a long time coming. It is
>currently available for the 3 and 4 models and is soon to be
>available for the Series 5 thru the current Super Sport.
John,
I'm interested in your bush gear, but I have some questions:
1. Price?
2. Availability?
3. Weight?
4. Axle diameter / length? (Wheel compatibility. I use Cleveland 5",
but should switch to 8" with big tires.)
5. Track?
6. Height from axle to pivot?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
lynn,
you are much more likely to lose your visual reference to the horizon as it
may blend into the sky over water with no land in sight. bob noffs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping
>
> The guy (Pete) with the Peitenpol (sp?) next to me flew over the water at
> 300' he said. Flying any higher just "prolonged the agony" if he conked
> out, he said. No thanks, says I. : )
>
> I asked my instructor yesterday if there were any other reasons for not
> going over the water, other than (for me) common sense, and he said
> because you're not instrument rated. I'm not up to speed on the water
> ruling...anybody know if this is true, or was he just giving me another
> reason to stay dry? : )
>
> With all the weather that I've encountered so far, if I decided to fly
> the water, a storm would come up just to prove a point.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
>
>> Last year I flew across from Big Sable point in Michigan to Manitowoc,
>> WI. Less than an hour over the water, at 70 mph. Climbed to 8500 feet
>> before going feet wet and stayed in contact with lake reporting service
>> (122.450). For me it was much shorter and, all things considered,
>> probably alot safer that flying around Chicago airspace.
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Marco Menezes N99KX
>>
>> Model 2 582-90 C-Box
>>
>> --- On Mon, 7/21/08, n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oshkosh group camping
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:05 PM
>>
>> shoreline from time to time as I'm located at Schaumburg, and previously
>> waukegan. Truth is there is pretty much nowhere to land, and even if you
>> aim for the clearest spot you can find it likely has a bunch of people
>> on the ground. Best bet carry life preservers and stay close to the sail
>> boats which are always around. Worse comes to worse it's only about 30
>> minutes of high pucker factor anyway after Gary:) Regards, Jeff Read
>> this topic online here:
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194205#194205 _-
>> ========================
>> 3D=======================3
>> Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying in the rain WAS: Proper prop |
Michel -
My Sensenich has a translucent tan leading edge. As I recall it is some
kind of Urethane (but not 100% sure). I flew mine in a pretty solid rain
once, and after the flight I noticed it felt rough and looking at the
urethane it looked like it had been sandblasted near the tip. I got some
clear protective tape from the auto parts store for use on the hood of
a car for protecting from stone chips. I flew with this for a year wrapped
from the leading edge to about 40mm back on both front and back sides
over the urethane. This flew a couple time in light rain and held up well.
After about a year it started coming loose so I peeled it off and now fly
without.
My conclusion is that the wood prop can handle rain, but you'll need to
to keep it recoated as the water will definetly strip the finish from the
leading edge out by the tip pretty quickly.
I thought about laying on a layer of glass cloth at the tip along the leading
edge using West System epoxy as a sacrificial layer that could be
periodically sanded off and replaced if need be. Never did do it, but it
would probably work.
Regards,
Jeff.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194434#194434
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Flying in the rain |
I also run Mac (iMac duocore and TiPowerbook) and the program runs
fine on Firefox, Flock, Omniweb and Camino haven't tried it on Safari
'cause i hardly ever run it. Looks a lot like parts of Idaho in the
winter!
SteveD
On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Is your leading edge the yellow transparent stuff? I can make a mark
> with a fingernail, and it is gone within seconds...probably the same
> stuff. I do reduce RPM in the rain, but haven't really made a
> conscience effort to maintain a certain RPM....I probably run it
> about 2400.
>
> Now when you say your "Jabiru propellor" you really mean Sensenich
> propellor, right, Michel? I was pretty sure that's what you had, if
> I recall correctly. Not pickin' nits, just wanting to clarify,
> because some of the Jabiru-made props were made with really soft
> wood as I recall. From what I heard, they made some props from some
> funky wood from Aussie land, and it wasn't very good "for children
> and other living things." It seems like this was the wood that was
> too soft to hold the bolt torques, but I might be wrong.
>
> I've downloaded the site, complete with title, background clouds,
> and a green "progress bar" but nothing I do with the mouse (single
> button mouse) has any effect....this is on Safari 2.0.3.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
>>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>>> My leading edge is showing signs of very slight pitting, but I
>>> attribute
>>> this to mostly the sandy dirt conditions that you get on some grass
>>> strips.
>>
>> Thanks, Lynn. My Jabiru propeller has a rubbery stuff on the
>> leading edge. It can hardly be pitted. Do you also reduce RPM in
>> the rain?
>>
>> You also wrote:
>>> I'll try again, Deke. I figured it wasn't Mac compatible.......
>>
>> It is Mac compatible, Lynn. I see it very well with Safari.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel Verheughe
>> Norway
>> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>>
>>
>>
>> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>>
>> List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a>
>> forums.matronics.com</a>
>> www.matronics.com/contribution</a>
>>
>> </b></font></pre>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
I fly into Napoleon almost every time I fly. I hangared my plane
there until my instructor felt it was safe for me to "go home." (I
had to carry fuel from my place, 2.5 miles away, and that got to be
old real quick) One day while soloing, I decided I could go home for
fuel and I did. I told instructor about that and he wanted to be
shown...three landings and he signed me off for my home field.
Napoleon is a nice little (2400' on the short one) pair of runways,
with a diner within 200 feet of the parking "ramp." I'm trying to get
it's owner to send info into "$100 Hamburger" so she'll get more
customers. She has 59 pictures of aircraft on the walls....all
customers who have stopped in to eat. She also has ice cream, and
it's a non-smoking facility, unlike the one down the street which
smells like an ashtray.
Stop by and have your planes' picture taken...who is the friend...a
pilot?
Boy, do those shots look familiar.....when I flew up to Osh for the
skiplane fly-in in 2007, I passed through Gary's (over edge of the
water) space and asked for permission to fly through at 1800', and by
the time they granted it, I was down to 1600. Mu instructor asked me
later if I saw any apartment tenants waving *down* at me. : ) I had
to admit I was pretty busy at the time, and didn't notice.
The southbound picture is also familiar, although visibility is much
better than when I did it. I had just left Osh, had a brief encounter
at Chicago Executive (which I haven't revealed to this forum
yet...maybe over a beer at Osh), then flew southeast, avoiding
Gary...they were busy with SVFR's. On the way southeast, I had flight
following going for me, and they alerted me to traffic, which I saw,
but they didn't tell me about a tethered balloon, or sign, or some
such thing, which was at my altitude. I had to guess where the cable
was given the wind clues, and avoided that like the plague...ah yes,
fond memories of Lake Michigan's southern shores.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
do not archive
On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:25 PM, n85ae wrote:
>
> Actually I'll be on the Ferry with my wife and kids on Saturday
> going to Michigan to go sailing next week. Anybody want to do
> a low flyby of the Ferry mid lake I'll be happy to send you your
> overwater pics. :)
>
> Lynn you are in Grass Lake? Do you ever fly in and out of Napolean
> 3NP? I have a good friend that lives there and occasionally fly in to
> Napolean
>
> If I didn't screw up the attachments here's two lakeshore views from
> the East side of the City. One is Northbound just past Gary, the other
> is southbound just off of Waukegan . As you can see you would be
> swimming for sure if you lose a motor here.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194403#194403
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/im001176_379.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/im001182_161.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
Exactly as I was told, and feared over. Nope, I don't need this water
stuff to ruin my day...maybe if I get instrument rated, but I don't
know if that's even available in Sport Pilot...no, wait, it is
NOT...VFR only, and that would rule out flying with the horizon and
the water merging, as you mention, Bob. I would have visual contact
with the "ground" but I don't think that's what they had in mind when
they wrote it up.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
On Jul 22, 2008, at 4:19 PM, bob noffs wrote:
>
> lynn,
> you are much more likely to lose your visual reference to the
> horizon as it may blend into the sky over water with no land in
> sight. bob noffs
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group
> camping
>
>
>>
>> The guy (Pete) with the Peitenpol (sp?) next to me flew over the
>> water at 300' he said. Flying any higher just "prolonged the
>> agony" if he conked out, he said. No thanks, says I. : )
>>
>> I asked my instructor yesterday if there were any other reasons
>> for not going over the water, other than (for me) common sense,
>> and he said because you're not instrument rated. I'm not up to
>> speed on the water ruling...anybody know if this is true, or was
>> he just giving me another reason to stay dry? : )
>>
>> With all the weather that I've encountered so far, if I decided
>> to fly the water, a storm would come up just to prove a point.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Jabiru 2200
>> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
>>
>>> Last year I flew across from Big Sable point in Michigan to
>>> Manitowoc, WI. Less than an hour over the water, at 70 mph.
>>> Climbed to 8500 feet before going feet wet and stayed in contact
>>> with lake reporting service (122.450). For me it was much
>>> shorter and, all things considered, probably alot safer that
>>> flying around Chicago airspace.
>>>
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> Marco Menezes N99KX
>>>
>>> Model 2 582-90 C-Box
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 7/21/08, n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oshkosh group camping
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:05 PM
>>>
>>> fly the shoreline from time to time as I'm located at
>>> Schaumburg, and previously waukegan. Truth is there is pretty
>>> much nowhere to land, and even if you aim for the clearest spot
>>> you can find it likely has a bunch of people on the ground. Best
>>> bet carry life preservers and stay close to the sail boats which
>>> are always around. Worse comes to worse it's only about 30
>>> minutes of high pucker factor anyway after Gary:) Regards, Jeff
>>> Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/
>>> viewtopic.php?p=194205#194205 _-
>>> =======================3
>>> D=
>>> 3D======================
>>> =3 Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
>>> =======================3
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>>> 3D======================
>>> =3
>>> =======================3
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>>> 3D======================
>>> =3 _-
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
We'll be heading over mid week. The water crossing will be less stressful this
year with the floats below me. Crossing from Ludington to manitowoc and direct
to
the seaplane base. Paul Seehafer usually has his Kitfox parked at the base as
well.
One year while crossing on the ferry, a Robinson R44 helicopter passed next to
us
at about 100' off the water. Other than an attempt at restarting probably no need
to go higher. Talk about pucker factor!
Hope to see you all there!
Kevin Cozik
Series 6-7
914 turbo
Czech amphibs
Lansing Michigan
On Tue Jul 22 18:24 , Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> sent:
>
>Exactly as I was told, and feared over. Nope, I don't need this water
>stuff to ruin my day...maybe if I get instrument rated, but I don't
>know if that's even available in Sport Pilot...no, wait, it is
>NOT...VFR only, and that would rule out flying with the horizon and
>the water merging, as you mention, Bob. I would have visual contact
>with the "ground" but I don't think that's what they had in mind when
>they wrote it up.
>
>Lynn Matteson
>Kitfox IV Speedster
>Jabiru 2200
>Status: flying w/547+ hrs
>
>
>On Jul 22, 2008, at 4:19 PM, bob noffs wrote:
>
>>
>> lynn,
>> you are much more likely to lose your visual reference to the
>> horizon as it may blend into the sky over water with no land in
>> sight. bob noffs
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group
>> camping
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The guy (Pete) with the Peitenpol (sp?) next to me flew over the
>>> water at 300' he said. Flying any higher just "prolonged the
>>> agony" if he conked out, he said. No thanks, says I. : )
>>>
>>> I asked my instructor yesterday if there were any other reasons
>>> for not going over the water, other than (for me) common sense,
>>> and he said because you're not instrument rated. I'm not up to
>>> speed on the water ruling...anybody know if this is true, or was
>>> he just giving me another reason to stay dry? : )
>>>
>>> With all the weather that I've encountered so far, if I decided
>>> to fly the water, a storm would come up just to prove a point.
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>>> Jabiru 2200
>>> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Last year I flew across from Big Sable point in Michigan to
>>>> Manitowoc, WI. Less than an hour over the water, at 70 mph.
>>>> Climbed to 8500 feet before going feet wet and stayed in contact
>>>> with lake reporting service (122.450). For me it was much
>>>> shorter and, all things considered, probably alot safer that
>>>> flying around Chicago airspace.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marco Menezes N99KX
>>>>
>>>> Model 2 582-90 C-Box
>>>>
>>>> --- On Mon, 7/21/08, n85ae n85ae@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: n85ae n85ae@yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oshkosh group camping
>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:05 PM
>>>>
>>>> fly the shoreline from time to time as I'm located at
>>>> Schaumburg, and previously waukegan. Truth is there is pretty
>>>> much nowhere to land, and even if you aim for the clearest spot
>>>> you can find it likely has a bunch of people on the ground. Best
>>>> bet carry life preservers and stay close to the sail boats which
>>>> are always around. Worse comes to worse it's only about 30
>>>> minutes of high pucker factor anyway after Gary:) Regards, Jeff
>>>> Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/
>>>> viewtopic.php?p=194205#194205 _-
>>>> =======================3
>>>> D=
>>>> 3D======================
>>>> =3 Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
>>>> =======================3
>>>> D=
>>>> 3D======================
>>>> =3
>>>> =======================3
>>>> D=
>>>> 3D======================
>>>> =3 _-
>>>> =======================3
>>>> D=
>>>> 3D======================
>>>> =3 D============
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping |
That's the best argument I've heard in a long while for some IFR training
for all pilots. When I started training we had a day with a lot of haze.
At 5000 plus feet, where most training was done, it was hard to tell when
everything was straight and level. The horizon had completely disappeared.
Of course unlike water as we got closer to the ground the haze disappeared
and orientation returned.
Some day you should try landing on glassy water... When you touch you
never really believe you're down until you are taxiing.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
912 is getting close, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group camping
Exactly as I was told, and feared over. Nope, I don't need this water
stuff to ruin my day...maybe if I get instrument rated, but I don't
know if that's even available in Sport Pilot...no, wait, it is
NOT...VFR only, and that would rule out flying with the horizon and
the water merging, as you mention, Bob. I would have visual contact
with the "ground" but I don't think that's what they had in mind when
they wrote it up.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/547+ hrs
On Jul 22, 2008, at 4:19 PM, bob noffs wrote:
>
> lynn,
> you are much more likely to lose your visual reference to the
> horizon as it may blend into the sky over water with no land in
> sight. bob noffs
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Over the big lake - was Oshkosh group
> camping
>
>
>>
>> The guy (Pete) with the Peitenpol (sp?) next to me flew over the
>> water at 300' he said. Flying any higher just "prolonged the
>> agony" if he conked out, he said. No thanks, says I. : )
>>
>> I asked my instructor yesterday if there were any other reasons
>> for not going over the water, other than (for me) common sense,
>> and he said because you're not instrument rated. I'm not up to
>> speed on the water ruling...anybody know if this is true, or was
>> he just giving me another reason to stay dry? : )
>>
>> With all the weather that I've encountered so far, if I decided
>> to fly the water, a storm would come up just to prove a point.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Jabiru 2200
>> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
>>
>>> Last year I flew across from Big Sable point in Michigan to
>>> Manitowoc, WI. Less than an hour over the water, at 70 mph.
>>> Climbed to 8500 feet before going feet wet and stayed in contact
>>> with lake reporting service (122.450). For me it was much
>>> shorter and, all things considered, probably alot safer that
>>> flying around Chicago airspace.
>>>
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> Marco Menezes N99KX
>>>
>>> Model 2 582-90 C-Box
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 7/21/08, n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oshkosh group camping
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:05 PM
>>>
>>> fly the shoreline from time to time as I'm located at
>>> Schaumburg, and previously waukegan. Truth is there is pretty
>>> much nowhere to land, and even if you aim for the clearest spot
>>> you can find it likely has a bunch of people on the ground. Best
>>> bet carry life preservers and stay close to the sail boats which
>>> are always around. Worse comes to worse it's only about 30
>>> minutes of high pucker factor anyway after Gary:) Regards, Jeff
>>> Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/
>>> viewtopic.php?p=194205#194205 _-
>>> =======================3
>>> D=
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| Subject: | Ribs for elevator |
I don't know for sure but think that the ribs on the Model IV elevator is 2
.6 MM or 100 mils and 5 ply. Is that right? Anyone
Clint
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