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1. 05:19 AM - Floats for Kitfox II (Ken Potter)
2. 07:17 AM - Re: Floats for Kitfox II (Dan Billingsley)
3. 12:28 PM - Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Bob Brennan)
4. 01:21 PM - Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Tom Jones)
5. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Bob Brennan)
6. 02:38 PM - Kitfox III Hardware (john beirne)
7. 03:35 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
8. 03:42 PM - Re: Kitfox III Hardware (Lowell Fitt)
9. 04:32 PM - Re: Floats for Kitfox II (akflyer)
10. 04:48 PM - Re: Floats for Kitfox II (David Dawe)
11. 04:59 PM - Re: Kitfox III Hardware (paul wilson)
12. 04:59 PM - Re: Kitfox III Hardware (paul wilson)
13. 07:03 PM - Kitfox Model Plans (Clint Bazzill)
14. 08:05 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Tom Jones)
15. 08:36 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Mnflyer)
16. 08:39 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Guy Buchanan)
17. 08:43 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
18. 09:21 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
19. 09:36 PM - Re: Kitfox Model Plans (Ted Palamarek)
20. 09:38 PM - New ACI Stall Warning for sale (SUE MICHAELS)
21. 09:52 PM - Re: Floats for Kitfox II (akflyer)
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| Subject: | Floats for Kitfox II |
Hi Folks;
I am considering purchasing a set of Full Lotus 1220's for my Kitfox II. Does anyone
have experience with these floats on a Kitfox or any other comments.
Thanks in advance.
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Floats for Kitfox II |
Ken, There is a cool You Tube video of a guy in Alaska http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foPn48ap46Y
If this link doesn't work, go to You Tube and do a search for Lotus floats Kitfox.
Dan
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV Building...still
Ken Potter <kjpotter@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Hi Folks;
I am considering purchasing a set of Full Lotus 1220's for my Kitfox II. Does anyone
have experience with these floats on a Kitfox or any other comments.
Thanks in advance.
Ken
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| Subject: | Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs |
My DAR seems willing now to submit an application for my UK-built Model II
as Experimental Light Sport. However there are 2 sections in the FAA
document 21-193 subpart H
(http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=b35f758348b623a85e
3e0c3285bf545c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.9.8.11.15&idno=14) which
call for the following:
(1) Evidence that an aircraft of the same make and model was manufactured
and assembled by the aircraft kit manufacturer and issued a special
airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category.
(4) The manufacturer's statement of compliance for the aircraft kit used in
the aircraft assembly that meets 21.190(c), except that instead of meeting
21.190(c)(7), the statement must identify assembly instructions for the
aircraft that meet an applicable consensus standard.
On the Kitfox website General FAQ page is:
"Does the Kitfox qualify for Light Sport Aircraft (LSA)?
Absolutely ! The current Kitfox can be operated at the 1320 lb gross weight
when on gear and the 1430 lb gross when on floats. It can also be converted
from floats, to skis, to tail wheel or to Tricycle gear.. Your choice."
but I don't think the FAA will accept just "Absolutely!" as the answer to
the above requirements. Does anyone know where I can get "Evidence that an
aircraft of the same make and model was manufactured and assembled by the
aircraft kit manufacturer and issued a special airworthiness certificate in
the light-sport category." and "The manufacturer's statement of
compliance..."?
Has anyone converted their Model II to Light Sport?
Thanks in advance, again,
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs |
Bob, here's my understanding of the LSA rules.
A kitfox can be operated under "Sport Pilot rules" if it meets the "Definition"
of a Light Sport Aircraft.
With the establishing of LSA rules, existing fat ultralights were given an amnesty
period to register as "Experimental Light Sport Aircraft". That period ended
January 31, 2008. An application to register a fat ultralight must have been
filed with the FAA by that date for it to qualify for an experimental light
sport aircraft certificate.
A few Light Sport aircraft manufactures also sell Kits which they certify to essentially
meet all the standards equal to their "Ready to fly" Light Sport Aircraft.
These kits can be registered as experimental light sport aircraft.
As far as I Know, Kitfox Aircraft LLC does not build a ready to fly aircraft that
can be registered as a light sport aircraft.
If you have been operating a kitfox as an unregistered ultralight prior to January
31, 2008 and applied to registered it as an Experimental Light sport aircraft
before that date you might get approval from the FAA.
Again, this is just my understanding of the rules.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and |
DARs
Thanks Tom,
I registered the plane in October 2006 and have an exemption letter from the
EAA which has already been accepted by the FAA representative as exempting
me from the Jan 2008 deadline. The question remains as to whether I can
fulfil the 2 manufacturer's statement requirements as stated in my original
post.
Also there is the possibility that if there is another Model 2 already
certificated as Light Sport that it could be used as an example of the "type
and model", which is why I am asking if anyone on the list has a Model 2
Light Sport. My guess is that all Model 2's will have already been
registered as Experimental-Amateur Built and not(?) be eligible to switch.
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: 28 July 2008 4:18 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and
DARs
Bob, here's my understanding of the LSA rules.
A kitfox can be operated under "Sport Pilot rules" if it meets the
"Definition" of a Light Sport Aircraft.
With the establishing of LSA rules, existing fat ultralights were given an
amnesty period to register as "Experimental Light Sport Aircraft". That
period ended January 31, 2008. An application to register a fat ultralight
must have been filed with the FAA by that date for it to qualify for an
experimental light sport aircraft certificate.
A few Light Sport aircraft manufactures also sell Kits which they certify to
essentially meet all the standards equal to their "Ready to fly" Light Sport
Aircraft. These kits can be registered as experimental light sport
aircraft.
As far as I Know, Kitfox Aircraft LLC does not build a ready to fly aircraft
that can be registered as a light sport aircraft.
If you have been operating a kitfox as an unregistered ultralight prior to
January 31, 2008 and applied to registered it as an Experimental Light sport
aircraft before that date you might get approval from the FAA.
Again, this is just my understanding of the rules.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Kitfox III Hardware |
Hi All
As part of the my foxs up coming annual I am replacing the majority of the hardware
to include the wing and stabiliser strut rod ends, and (following a recent
post regarding a failure) all the flight control rod ends,
However my problem is as follows, the build book I have gives the part Nos as,
for example FRE-50, FRE 49 and so on.
None of the parts supplies companies (Aircraft spruce or LAS in the UK) list these
part Nos in their inventory, is this a Denney part no,
Has anyone been down this route before, indeed would the present kitfox company
supply hardware kits for older models?
Many thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
Here is a Pic of the aileron control linkage that failed I hope this will
save someone else from having the same experience I had
Ellery in Maine
In a message dated 7/27/2008 12:36:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
matronics@bob.brennan.name writes:
"I know the Kitfox will fly without aileron control"
Wouldn't the aileron (flaperons) fall into a random RIP attitude without
linkage? I know the tail can do pitch, yaw, and especially in the Model 2 m
ore
roll than most, but what about the flaperons that are flaperoning in the
breeze?
And kudos to Ellery for bringng her in for fixes and discussion!
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2.x Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: 27 July 2008 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery. I know the Kitfox will fly
without aileron control, but just the fact that you were able to land witho
ut
damage says a lot for your composure and flying skills.
Thanks for the report.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: _ElleryWeld@aol.com_ (mailto:ElleryWeld@aol.com)
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the Pilot
side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions The kitfox fli
es
pretty good without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it to the
airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I was pretty
busy
with the rudder at times
I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your Linkeage
before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to me
yesterday
Ellery in Maine
do not archive
In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle C=EF
=BD it
looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the hole
s
be there??
Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes the
instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install
the
plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that.
One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate
on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for structural reasons.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III Hardware |
John,
I wonder if replacing the rod ends will give you what you are after with
regard to the failure recently mentioned. As I understand it, it was the
stud the rod end was screwed onto that failed. It is my understanding,
further, that the threaded studs used by the early Kitofx kits were actually
allen bolts welded to the ends of the tubes. There was some discussion in
the past as to the possibility that the weld process somehow hardened the
bolt making it subject to work hardening. There have been failures at the
horizontal stabilizer in the past as well - the factory went to 1/4" vs.
3/16" after a couple of failures.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "john beirne" <jmcb@oceanfree.net>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III Hardware
>
> Hi All
> As part of the my fox?Ts up coming annual I am replacing the majority of
> the hardware to include the wing and stabiliser strut rod ends, and
> (following a recent post regarding a failure) all the flight control rod
> ends,
> However my problem is as follows, the build book I have gives the part Nos
> as, for example FRE-50, FRE 49 and so on.
> None of the parts supplies companies (Aircraft spruce or LAS in the UK)
> list these part Nos in their inventory, is this a Denney part no,
> Has anyone been down this route before, indeed would the present kitfox
> company supply hardware kits for older models?
> Many thanks
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195418#195418
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Floats for Kitfox II |
That was me in the vid... things I have learned.
The plane performs AWSOME single seat, or with 2 people and only 9 gallons of fuel.
If you are at gross weight you will need a bit of a head wind to get it
on step. The issue is the 1220's dont have enough flotation on the forward part
of the float when you put the step far enough back on the plane to be able
to get onto step easy. As it is, we have compromised and you have to really shove
the nose over with full down and lean forwards as far as you can to get her
up on step at gross.
If you put the step far enough back under the plane, if you come off the power
too quick you will take a little water over the nose of the floats. I dont think
it would ever dig enough to put you over, but it will get your attention if
you are not ready for it.
I am going to see about getting a set of 1450 for it and that should solve all
the problems.
If you have a 912 then it would be an issue cause you have the power to yank it
on step no matter what. With the 582 it is marginal at gross.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Floats for Kitfox II |
Ken my 1980 Kitfox ll came with Full Lotus=2C12'(used)=2C136 hours=2Cthey r
ipped open front top=2C1' long=2Creturned to Full Lotus in BC.=2CCanada for
repair=2Cthey wouldn't repair=2Cwrite off=2CUV damaged the full lotus mate
rial. > Subject: Kitfox-List: Floats for Kitfox II> From: kjpotter@sympatic
o.ca> Date: Mon=2C 28 Jul 2008 05:16:30 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.co
>> > Hi Folks=3B> > I am considering purchasing a set of Full Lotus 1220's
for my Kitfox II. Does anyone have experience with these floats on a Kitfox
or any other comments.> > Thanks in advance.> > Ken> > > > > Read this top
ic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195327#195
===========> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III Hardware |
Sure been there. Just go to Aircraft Spruce and
buy the one that fits. No problem. They are
standard parts. Don't worry about what the build
book says. It did not use industry part numbers
but used inventory numbers They are long gone.
The stuff you buy will be aircraft quality.
Paul
=======
At 03:35 PM 7/28/2008, you wrote:
>
>Hi All
>As part of the my foxs up coming annual I am
>replacing the majority of the hardware to
>include the wing and stabiliser strut rod ends,
>and (following a recent post regarding a
>failure) all the flight control rod ends,
>However my problem is as follows, the build book
>I have gives the part Nos as, for example FRE-50, FRE 49 and so on.
>None of the parts supplies companies (Aircraft
>spruce or LAS in the UK) list these part Nos in
>their inventory, is this a Denney part no,
>Has anyone been down this route before, indeed
>would the present kitfox company supply hardware kits for older models?
>Many thanks
>John
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195418#195418
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III Hardware |
Lowell,
You are correct I still have the parts I
dissected. This was a cost cutting idea that was
never blessed by an engineer. Buying an "AN" part
will result in a much stronger solution.
Paul
===============
At 04:37 PM 7/28/2008, you wrote:
>
>John,
>
>I wonder if replacing the rod ends will give you
>what you are after with regard to the failure
>recently mentioned. As I understand it, it was
>the stud the rod end was screwed onto that
>failed. It is my understanding, further, that
>the threaded studs used by the early Kitofx kits
>were actually allen bolts welded to the ends of
>the tubes. There was some discussion in the
>past as to the possibility that the weld process
>somehow hardened the bolt making it subject to
>work hardening. There have been failures at the
>horizontal stabilizer in the past as well - the
>factory went to 1/4" vs. 3/16" after a couple of failures.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "john beirne" <jmcb@oceanfree.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:35 PM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III Hardware
>
>
>>
>>Hi All
>>As part of the my fox?Ts up coming annual I am
>>replacing the majority of the hardware to
>>include the wing and stabiliser strut rod ends,
>>and (following a recent post regarding a
>>failure) all the flight control rod ends,
>>However my problem is as follows, the build
>>book I have gives the part Nos as, for example FRE-50, FRE 49 and so on.
>>None of the parts supplies companies (Aircraft
>>spruce or LAS in the UK) list these part Nos in
>>their inventory, is this a Denney part no,
>>Has anyone been down this route before, indeed
>>would the present kitfox company supply hardware kits for older models?
>>Many thanks
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195418#195418
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox Model Plans |
Anyone know how to get in contact with Kitfox plans for Model IV?
Clint
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
> Here is a Pic of the aileron control linkage that failed I hope this will save
someone else from having the same experience I had
> Ellery in Maine
Ellery, I would say either that rod end was defective or due to that particular
installation it cannot rotate as the stick is moved to the extreme left and right.
There is essentially no shear force on any of the Kitfox control rods or on their
rod ends. At least on my Classic 4 that is the case. They all just push and
pull.
At preflight inspection I move the control stick to each extreme and twist the
control rods at that position to see that they will rotate back and forth just
a little to be sure no binding is taking place.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
That very rod end assy failed on my Kitfox III just as the wheels were coming off
the ground. I feel the reason mine failed is that I tightened the clevis bolt
too much not allowing the rod end to move freely thus binding it and bending
the threaded part till it broke. Now on preflight I always check to make
sure it moves freely.
The rod end is readily available at bearing parts houses the P/N is right on the
rod end its self.
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GB
MNFlyer
Flying a HKS Kitfox III
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
At 06:27 AM 7/27/2008, you wrote:
>I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the
>Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions
>The kitfox flies pretty good without Aileron input though and I was
>able to fly it to the airport I was headed to and land with a slight
>cross wind but I was pretty busy with the rudder at times
Good work Ellery. Saved your life. I do hope you'll post pictures and
some analysis. I think this area is similar in all birds so I'd love
to know what to look for.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
I never noticed any binding in these controlls myself but the bolt has been
cracked for a while according to the looks of the broken area but was not
visible with out a microscope being in the threaded area
But I was wondering why does that have a jam nut on it if I screw the new
one together without that jam nut it can not come apart after I get both
bolts through the rod ends and it will be able to swivel on the threads if
needed But I am going to look at this area better another day when the new
parts get here
I don't have the building plans on this so I am not sure what it has for
details on this connection so any advice would be great from someone else with
plans
Ellery in Maine
In a message dated 7/28/2008 11:07:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
> Here is a Pic of the aileron control linkage that failed I hope this will
save someone else from having the same experience I had
> Ellery in Maine
Ellery, I would say either that rod end was defective or due to that
particular installation it cannot rotate as the stick is moved to the extreme
left
and right.
There is essentially no shear force on any of the Kitfox control rods or on
their rod ends. At least on my Classic 4 that is the case. They all just
push and pull.
At preflight inspection I move the control stick to each extreme and twist
the control rods at that position to see that they will rotate back and forth
just a little to be sure no binding is taking place.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight |
Ellery
The jam nut prevents the rod end rocking on the threads, if the jam nut is
not in place the threads will fatigue with the consistent rocking motion.
Just adjust and lock so that the components are not binding.
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
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Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight
I never noticed any binding in these controlls myself but the bolt has
been cracked for a while according to the looks of the broken area but was
not visible with out a microscope being in the threaded area
But I was wondering why does that have a jam nut on it if I screw the new
one together without that jam nut it can not come apart after I get both
bolts through the rod ends and it will be able to swivel on the threads if
needed But I am going to look at this area better another day when the
new parts get here
I don't have the building plans on this so I am not sure what it has for
details on this connection so any advice would be great from someone else
with plans
Ellery in Maine
In a message dated 7/28/2008 11:07:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nahsikhs@elltel.net writes:
> Here is a Pic of the aileron control linkage that failed I hope this
will save someone else from having the same experience I had
> Ellery in Maine
Ellery, I would say either that rod end was defective or due to that
particular installation it cannot rotate as the stick is moved to the
extreme left and right.
There is essentially no shear force on any of the Kitfox control rods or
on their rod ends. At least on my Classic 4 that is the case. They all
just push and pull.
At preflight inspection I move the control stick to each extreme and twist
the control rods at that position to see that they will rotate back and
forth just a little to be sure no binding is taking place.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Kitfox Model Plans |
Clint
Somewhere in my files I have the information on the fellow that posted an
e-mail about the model IV model. In the next day or two I will look it up
and forward the info to you.
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton, Alberta
Model IV-912
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Anyone know how to get in contact with Kitfox plans for Model IV?
Clint
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| Subject: | New ACI Stall Warning for sale |
New ACI stall warning system is all electric 9 to 12 volts.-This will wor
k with the included-9 volt (small) battery attachment. The unit-can be
attached with two sided tape and later permanently attached.- Aircraft Sp
ruce $295.00 yours for $250.00 and will include shipping in the USA. Bought
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| Subject: | Re: Floats for Kitfox II |
it is a known fact that UV rays are harmful to the fabric. That is why they have
made the covers for them when not in use. You can alot use 303 UV blocker
on them that was developed for rafts and zodiacs. If you material was already
trashed, there is no repair, just replacement. That is the booger about buying
used, you have no idea how the previous owner took care of them. I beat the
crap out of mine knowing that I will probably need a new set every 10 or 15
yrs.
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