---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/28/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - Floats for Kitfox II (Ken Potter) 2. 07:17 AM - Re: Floats for Kitfox II (Dan Billingsley) 3. 12:28 PM - Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Bob Brennan) 4. 01:21 PM - Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Tom Jones) 5. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Bob Brennan) 6. 02:38 PM - Kitfox III Hardware (john beirne) 7. 03:35 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 8. 03:42 PM - Re: Kitfox III Hardware (Lowell Fitt) 9. 04:32 PM - Re: Floats for Kitfox II (akflyer) 10. 04:48 PM - Re: Floats for Kitfox II (David Dawe) 11. 04:59 PM - Re: Kitfox III Hardware (paul wilson) 12. 04:59 PM - Re: Kitfox III Hardware (paul wilson) 13. 07:03 PM - Kitfox Model Plans (Clint Bazzill) 14. 08:05 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Tom Jones) 15. 08:36 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Mnflyer) 16. 08:39 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Guy Buchanan) 17. 08:43 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 18. 09:21 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 19. 09:36 PM - Re: Kitfox Model Plans (Ted Palamarek) 20. 09:38 PM - New ACI Stall Warning for sale (SUE MICHAELS) 21. 09:52 PM - Re: Floats for Kitfox II (akflyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:19 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Floats for Kitfox II From: "Ken Potter" Hi Folks; I am considering purchasing a set of Full Lotus 1220's for my Kitfox II. Does anyone have experience with these floats on a Kitfox or any other comments. Thanks in advance. Ken Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195327#195327 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:46 AM PST US From: Dan Billingsley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Floats for Kitfox II Ken, There is a cool You Tube video of a guy in Alaska http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foPn48ap46Y If this link doesn't work, go to You Tube and do a search for Lotus floats Kitfox. Dan Mesa, AZ KF-IV Building...still Ken Potter wrote: Hi Folks; I am considering purchasing a set of Full Lotus 1220's for my Kitfox II. Does anyone have experience with these floats on a Kitfox or any other comments. Thanks in advance. Ken Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195327#195327 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:13 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: Kitfox-List: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs My DAR seems willing now to submit an application for my UK-built Model II as Experimental Light Sport. However there are 2 sections in the FAA document 21-193 subpart H (http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=b35f758348b623a85e 3e0c3285bf545c&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.9.8.11.15&idno=14) which call for the following: (1) Evidence that an aircraft of the same make and model was manufactured and assembled by the aircraft kit manufacturer and issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category. (4) The manufacturer's statement of compliance for the aircraft kit used in the aircraft assembly that meets 21.190(c), except that instead of meeting 21.190(c)(7), the statement must identify assembly instructions for the aircraft that meet an applicable consensus standard. On the Kitfox website General FAQ page is: "Does the Kitfox qualify for Light Sport Aircraft (LSA)? Absolutely ! The current Kitfox can be operated at the 1320 lb gross weight when on gear and the 1430 lb gross when on floats. It can also be converted from floats, to skis, to tail wheel or to Tricycle gear.. Your choice." but I don't think the FAA will accept just "Absolutely!" as the answer to the above requirements. Does anyone know where I can get "Evidence that an aircraft of the same make and model was manufactured and assembled by the aircraft kit manufacturer and issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category." and "The manufacturer's statement of compliance..."? Has anyone converted their Model II to Light Sport? Thanks in advance, again, Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:01 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs From: "Tom Jones" Bob, here's my understanding of the LSA rules. A kitfox can be operated under "Sport Pilot rules" if it meets the "Definition" of a Light Sport Aircraft. With the establishing of LSA rules, existing fat ultralights were given an amnesty period to register as "Experimental Light Sport Aircraft". That period ended January 31, 2008. An application to register a fat ultralight must have been filed with the FAA by that date for it to qualify for an experimental light sport aircraft certificate. A few Light Sport aircraft manufactures also sell Kits which they certify to essentially meet all the standards equal to their "Ready to fly" Light Sport Aircraft. These kits can be registered as experimental light sport aircraft. As far as I Know, Kitfox Aircraft LLC does not build a ready to fly aircraft that can be registered as a light sport aircraft. If you have been operating a kitfox as an unregistered ultralight prior to January 31, 2008 and applied to registered it as an Experimental Light sport aircraft before that date you might get approval from the FAA. Again, this is just my understanding of the rules. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195402#195402 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:58 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs Thanks Tom, I registered the plane in October 2006 and have an exemption letter from the EAA which has already been accepted by the FAA representative as exempting me from the Jan 2008 deadline. The question remains as to whether I can fulfil the 2 manufacturer's statement requirements as stated in my original post. Also there is the possibility that if there is another Model 2 already certificated as Light Sport that it could be used as an example of the "type and model", which is why I am asking if anyone on the list has a Model 2 Light Sport. My guess is that all Model 2's will have already been registered as Experimental-Amateur Built and not(?) be eligible to switch. Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones Sent: 28 July 2008 4:18 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs Bob, here's my understanding of the LSA rules. A kitfox can be operated under "Sport Pilot rules" if it meets the "Definition" of a Light Sport Aircraft. With the establishing of LSA rules, existing fat ultralights were given an amnesty period to register as "Experimental Light Sport Aircraft". That period ended January 31, 2008. An application to register a fat ultralight must have been filed with the FAA by that date for it to qualify for an experimental light sport aircraft certificate. A few Light Sport aircraft manufactures also sell Kits which they certify to essentially meet all the standards equal to their "Ready to fly" Light Sport Aircraft. These kits can be registered as experimental light sport aircraft. As far as I Know, Kitfox Aircraft LLC does not build a ready to fly aircraft that can be registered as a light sport aircraft. If you have been operating a kitfox as an unregistered ultralight prior to January 31, 2008 and applied to registered it as an Experimental Light sport aircraft before that date you might get approval from the FAA. Again, this is just my understanding of the rules. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195402#195402 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:38 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III Hardware From: "john beirne" Hi All As part of the my foxs up coming annual I am replacing the majority of the hardware to include the wing and stabiliser strut rod ends, and (following a recent post regarding a failure) all the flight control rod ends, However my problem is as follows, the build book I have gives the part Nos as, for example FRE-50, FRE 49 and so on. None of the parts supplies companies (Aircraft spruce or LAS in the UK) list these part Nos in their inventory, is this a Denney part no, Has anyone been down this route before, indeed would the present kitfox company supply hardware kits for older models? Many thanks John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195418#195418 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:35 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight Here is a Pic of the aileron control linkage that failed I hope this will save someone else from having the same experience I had Ellery in Maine In a message dated 7/27/2008 12:36:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, matronics@bob.brennan.name writes: "I know the Kitfox will fly without aileron control" Wouldn't the aileron (flaperons) fall into a random RIP attitude without linkage? I know the tail can do pitch, yaw, and especially in the Model 2 m ore roll than most, but what about the flaperons that are flaperoning in the breeze? And kudos to Ellery for bringng her in for fixes and discussion! Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2.x Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ____________________________________ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: 27 July 2008 11:49 am Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight You didn't say what your model Fox was, Ellery. I know the Kitfox will fly without aileron control, but just the fact that you were able to land witho ut damage says a lot for your composure and flying skills. Thanks for the report. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 382+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ----- Original Message ----- From: _ElleryWeld@aol.com_ (mailto:ElleryWeld@aol.com) Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions The kitfox fli es pretty good without Aileron input though and I was able to fly it to the airport I was headed to and land with a slight cross wind but I was pretty busy with the rudder at times I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your Linkeage before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what happened to me yesterday Ellery in Maine do not archive In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nahsikhs@elltel.net writes: > With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle C=EF =BD it looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why else would the hole s be there?? Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes the instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where you install the plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that. One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the striker plate on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet for structural reasons. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195176#195176 ____________________________________ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. _Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today_ (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) . href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:51 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III Hardware John, I wonder if replacing the rod ends will give you what you are after with regard to the failure recently mentioned. As I understand it, it was the stud the rod end was screwed onto that failed. It is my understanding, further, that the threaded studs used by the early Kitofx kits were actually allen bolts welded to the ends of the tubes. There was some discussion in the past as to the possibility that the weld process somehow hardened the bolt making it subject to work hardening. There have been failures at the horizontal stabilizer in the past as well - the factory went to 1/4" vs. 3/16" after a couple of failures. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "john beirne" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III Hardware > > Hi All > As part of the my fox?Ts up coming annual I am replacing the majority of > the hardware to include the wing and stabiliser strut rod ends, and > (following a recent post regarding a failure) all the flight control rod > ends, > However my problem is as follows, the build book I have gives the part Nos > as, for example FRE-50, FRE 49 and so on. > None of the parts supplies companies (Aircraft spruce or LAS in the UK) > list these part Nos in their inventory, is this a Denney part no, > Has anyone been down this route before, indeed would the present kitfox > company supply hardware kits for older models? > Many thanks > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195418#195418 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:27 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Floats for Kitfox II From: "akflyer" That was me in the vid... things I have learned. The plane performs AWSOME single seat, or with 2 people and only 9 gallons of fuel. If you are at gross weight you will need a bit of a head wind to get it on step. The issue is the 1220's dont have enough flotation on the forward part of the float when you put the step far enough back on the plane to be able to get onto step easy. As it is, we have compromised and you have to really shove the nose over with full down and lean forwards as far as you can to get her up on step at gross. If you put the step far enough back under the plane, if you come off the power too quick you will take a little water over the nose of the floats. I dont think it would ever dig enough to put you over, but it will get your attention if you are not ready for it. I am going to see about getting a set of 1450 for it and that should solve all the problems. If you have a 912 then it would be an issue cause you have the power to yank it on step no matter what. With the 582 it is marginal at gross. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195434#195434 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:25 PM PST US From: David Dawe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Floats for Kitfox II Ken my 1980 Kitfox ll came with Full Lotus=2C12'(used)=2C136 hours=2Cthey r ipped open front top=2C1' long=2Creturned to Full Lotus in BC.=2CCanada for repair=2Cthey wouldn't repair=2Cwrite off=2CUV damaged the full lotus mate rial. > Subject: Kitfox-List: Floats for Kitfox II> From: kjpotter@sympatic o.ca> Date: Mon=2C 28 Jul 2008 05:16:30 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.co >> > Hi Folks=3B> > I am considering purchasing a set of Full Lotus 1220's for my Kitfox II. Does anyone have experience with these floats on a Kitfox or any other comments.> > Thanks in advance.> > Ken> > > > > Read this top ic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195327#195 ===========> > > _________________________________________________________________ Try Chicktionary=2C a game that tests how many words you can form from the letters given. Find this and more puzzles at Live Search Games! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:50 PM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III Hardware Sure been there. Just go to Aircraft Spruce and buy the one that fits. No problem. They are standard parts. Don't worry about what the build book says. It did not use industry part numbers but used inventory numbers They are long gone. The stuff you buy will be aircraft quality. Paul ======= At 03:35 PM 7/28/2008, you wrote: > >Hi All >As part of the my foxs up coming annual I am >replacing the majority of the hardware to >include the wing and stabiliser strut rod ends, >and (following a recent post regarding a >failure) all the flight control rod ends, >However my problem is as follows, the build book >I have gives the part Nos as, for example FRE-50, FRE 49 and so on. >None of the parts supplies companies (Aircraft >spruce or LAS in the UK) list these part Nos in >their inventory, is this a Denney part no, >Has anyone been down this route before, indeed >would the present kitfox company supply hardware kits for older models? >Many thanks >John > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195418#195418 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:50 PM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III Hardware Lowell, You are correct I still have the parts I dissected. This was a cost cutting idea that was never blessed by an engineer. Buying an "AN" part will result in a much stronger solution. Paul =============== At 04:37 PM 7/28/2008, you wrote: > >John, > >I wonder if replacing the rod ends will give you >what you are after with regard to the failure >recently mentioned. As I understand it, it was >the stud the rod end was screwed onto that >failed. It is my understanding, further, that >the threaded studs used by the early Kitofx kits >were actually allen bolts welded to the ends of >the tubes. There was some discussion in the >past as to the possibility that the weld process >somehow hardened the bolt making it subject to >work hardening. There have been failures at the >horizontal stabilizer in the past as well - the >factory went to 1/4" vs. 3/16" after a couple of failures. > >Lowell > >----- Original Message ----- From: "john beirne" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:35 PM >Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III Hardware > > >> >>Hi All >>As part of the my fox?Ts up coming annual I am >>replacing the majority of the hardware to >>include the wing and stabiliser strut rod ends, >>and (following a recent post regarding a >>failure) all the flight control rod ends, >>However my problem is as follows, the build >>book I have gives the part Nos as, for example FRE-50, FRE 49 and so on. >>None of the parts supplies companies (Aircraft >>spruce or LAS in the UK) list these part Nos in >>their inventory, is this a Denney part no, >>Has anyone been down this route before, indeed >>would the present kitfox company supply hardware kits for older models? >>Many thanks >>John >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195418#195418 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:27 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model Plans Anyone know how to get in contact with Kitfox plans for Model IV? Clint ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight From: "Tom Jones" > Here is a Pic of the aileron control linkage that failed I hope this will save someone else from having the same experience I had > Ellery in Maine Ellery, I would say either that rod end was defective or due to that particular installation it cannot rotate as the stick is moved to the extreme left and right. There is essentially no shear force on any of the Kitfox control rods or on their rod ends. At least on my Classic 4 that is the case. They all just push and pull. At preflight inspection I move the control stick to each extreme and twist the control rods at that position to see that they will rotate back and forth just a little to be sure no binding is taking place. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195478#195478 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight From: "Mnflyer" That very rod end assy failed on my Kitfox III just as the wheels were coming off the ground. I feel the reason mine failed is that I tightened the clevis bolt too much not allowing the rod end to move freely thus binding it and bending the threaded part till it broke. Now on preflight I always check to make sure it moves freely. The rod end is readily available at bearing parts houses the P/N is right on the rod end its self. -------- GB MNFlyer Flying a HKS Kitfox III Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195484#195484 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:19 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight At 06:27 AM 7/27/2008, you wrote: >I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of the >Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy conditions >The kitfox flies pretty good without Aileron input though and I was >able to fly it to the airport I was headed to and land with a slight >cross wind but I was pretty busy with the rudder at times Good work Ellery. Saved your life. I do hope you'll post pictures and some analysis. I think this area is similar in all birds so I'd love to know what to look for. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:14 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight I never noticed any binding in these controlls myself but the bolt has been cracked for a while according to the looks of the broken area but was not visible with out a microscope being in the threaded area But I was wondering why does that have a jam nut on it if I screw the new one together without that jam nut it can not come apart after I get both bolts through the rod ends and it will be able to swivel on the threads if needed But I am going to look at this area better another day when the new parts get here I don't have the building plans on this so I am not sure what it has for details on this connection so any advice would be great from someone else with plans Ellery in Maine In a message dated 7/28/2008 11:07:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nahsikhs@elltel.net writes: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" > Here is a Pic of the aileron control linkage that failed I hope this will save someone else from having the same experience I had > Ellery in Maine Ellery, I would say either that rod end was defective or due to that particular installation it cannot rotate as the stick is moved to the extreme left and right. There is essentially no shear force on any of the Kitfox control rods or on their rod ends. At least on my Classic 4 that is the case. They all just push and pull. At preflight inspection I move the control stick to each extreme and twist the control rods at that position to see that they will rotate back and forth just a little to be sure no binding is taking place. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195478#195478 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Ellery The jam nut prevents the rod end rocking on the threads, if the jam nut is not in place the threads will fatigue with the consistent rocking motion. Just adjust and lock so that the components are not binding. Regards Gary Gary Algate Kitfox Classic 4 Jab2200 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. ElleryWeld@aol.com Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 29/07/2008 01:25 PM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com cc Subject Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight I never noticed any binding in these controlls myself but the bolt has been cracked for a while according to the looks of the broken area but was not visible with out a microscope being in the threaded area But I was wondering why does that have a jam nut on it if I screw the new one together without that jam nut it can not come apart after I get both bolts through the rod ends and it will be able to swivel on the threads if needed But I am going to look at this area better another day when the new parts get here I don't have the building plans on this so I am not sure what it has for details on this connection so any advice would be great from someone else with plans Ellery in Maine In a message dated 7/28/2008 11:07:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nahsikhs@elltel.net writes: > Here is a Pic of the aileron control linkage that failed I hope this will save someone else from having the same experience I had > Ellery in Maine Ellery, I would say either that rod end was defective or due to that particular installation it cannot rotate as the stick is moved to the extreme left and right. There is essentially no shear force on any of the Kitfox control rods or on their rod ends. At least on my Classic 4 that is the case. They all just push and pull. At preflight inspection I move the control stick to each extreme and twist the control rods at that position to see that they will rotate back and forth just a little to be sure no binding is taking place. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195478#195478 Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:56 PM PST US From: "Ted Palamarek" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model Plans Clint Somewhere in my files I have the information on the fellow that posted an e-mail about the model IV model. In the next day or two I will look it up and forward the info to you. Ted Palamarek Edmonton, Alberta Model IV-912 _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill Sent: July 28, 2008 7:59 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model Plans Anyone know how to get in contact with Kitfox plans for Model IV? Clint ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:34 PM PST US From: SUE MICHAELS Subject: Kitfox-List: New ACI Stall Warning for sale New ACI stall warning system is all electric 9 to 12 volts.-This will wor k with the included-9 volt (small) battery attachment. The unit-can be attached with two sided tape and later permanently attached.- Aircraft Sp ruce $295.00 yours for $250.00 and will include shipping in the USA. Bought EFIS with built in AOA.=0A-=0AGeorge ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:24 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Floats for Kitfox II From: "akflyer" it is a known fact that UV rays are harmful to the fabric. That is why they have made the covers for them when not in use. You can alot use 303 UV blocker on them that was developed for rafts and zodiacs. If you material was already trashed, there is no repair, just replacement. That is the booger about buying used, you have no idea how the previous owner took care of them. I beat the crap out of mine knowing that I will probably need a new set every 10 or 15 yrs. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195494#195494 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.