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1. 04:44 AM - Re: Flying in the rain (FlyboyTR)
2. 06:48 AM - Re: First flight (Tom Jones)
3. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: First flight (Bob Brennan)
4. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: First flight (Pete Christensen)
5. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: First flight (Pete Christensen)
6. 09:10 AM - Re: First flight (skyring)
7. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: First flight (Pete Christensen)
8. 10:08 AM - Wanted: Kitfox IV - 1200 (Aluminum Flyer)
9. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Wing Tank Fuel Coating- Peeling (Marco Menezes)
10. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: First flight (lkc@juno.com)
11. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: First flight (Bob Brennan)
12. 12:37 PM - Re: First flight (akflyer)
13. 02:07 PM - Re: Re: First flight (Pete Christensen)
14. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (Pete Christensen)
15. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (steve eccles)
16. 06:17 PM - Back from Oshkosh... (Lynn Matteson)
17. 06:38 PM - Re: First flight (Randy Daughenbaugh)
18. 07:53 PM - Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (dave)
19. 08:43 PM - Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (FlyboyTR)
20. 09:06 PM - To Lynn . (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
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Subject: | Re: Flying in the rain |
It wasn't too bad. I could tell when I hit the outflow because the air temp dropped
about 7-10 degrees. Once that started it got a little rough. I could still
see through the rain. I don't mind flying close to ugly weather as long
as there is no active lightening. ...and again...I need to see through the rain!
Also having the NexRad weather data "really" helps! To the right of my position,
and just off the screen, was nothing but a wall of level 5 weather that
was about 40 miles long...no where to go!
Living on the Gulf Coast and next to Mobile Bay creates some interesting weather...fortunately
it is very predictable...most of the time!
Travis :)
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Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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Subject: | Re: First flight |
Kerry,
My total tail wheel time when I first flew my Kitfox was 20 hours dual instruction.
My first flight was from a 150 foot wide runway and I used most of that
width on take off. It is very easy to over control by inputing too much rudder.
My prop turns left so the airplane went right when the tail came up, I pushed
too much left rudder and swerved back accross the centerline.
The second flight I used a lot less width because I could anticipate how the plane
would react and how much rudder to input.
About the first five hours I limited myself to flying in no wind conditions only.
Not even wind aligned with the runway. Then I graduated to five mph with
no cross wind then five mph cross wind etc.
To answer your question about tail wheel spring tension. My tail wheel is a Maul.
The chains are adjusted loose enough so that there is no tension on the springs
but not loose enough that the chains sag. It handles really well.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Subject: | Re: First flight |
Tom - I had the same problem transitioning from many years of flying spam
cans to my taildragging Kitfox. I was trying to use calculated *pressure* on
the rudder pedal to compensate for perceived drifting, but it never worked!
My instructor solved the problem by teaching me the taildragger "dance" -
pump the pedals all the time while on the ground and pump more for the
direction you want to go. It takes some practice but it works. Watch any
video of a taildragger landing or taking off - the rudder will be wagging
like a happy puppy. Just remember - they're not footrests in a taildragger!
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: 31 July 2008 9:45 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: First flight
Kerry,
My total tail wheel time when I first flew my Kitfox was 20 hours dual
instruction. My first flight was from a 150 foot wide runway and I used
most of that width on take off. It is very easy to over control by inputing
too much rudder. My prop turns left so the airplane went right when the
tail came up, I pushed too much left rudder and swerved back accross the
centerline.
The second flight I used a lot less width because I could anticipate how the
plane would react and how much rudder to input.
About the first five hours I limited myself to flying in no wind conditions
only. Not even wind aligned with the runway. Then I graduated to five mph
with no cross wind then five mph cross wind etc.
To answer your question about tail wheel spring tension. My tail wheel is a
Maul. The chains are adjusted loose enough so that there is no tension on
the springs but not loose enough that the chains sag. It handles really
well.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Subject: | Re: First flight |
Kerry,
I second what Tom said. I only had about 6 hours recent tail dragger time
and another 7 or so hours in a 172 and a couple hours in a Skyranger during
the 7 months preceding flying my Kitfox III home about 320 miles. Prior to
that I hadn't flown since 1979 and then only about 12 hours tail dragger
time and only an hour of that was PIC time.
My first takeoff was from a 100' wide runway and I was only getting 3900 rpm
from my 912 (that's another story) so the takeoff roll seemed like forever.
I used up a bunch of runway width. My first Kitfox landing was a couple
hours later and 4 bounces and used up plenty of runway width. My second
takeoff was fine since I knew what to expect and my second landing was good.
I too only fly on good days and from an airport with 3 runways so there is
almost always no crosswind when I land. I have 35 +/- hours in my Fox and I
will not fly to an airport unless the winds are fairly straight down the
runway. I'm starting to get a better feel so as my skills improve I'll be
able to handle crosswinds.
My tail wheel springs are just snug. Not loose.
Pete
Hell Paso, TX (flying out of Las Cruces, NM KLRU)
Kitfox III, 912ul, Grove
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: First flight
>
> Kerry,
> My total tail wheel time when I first flew my Kitfox was 20 hours dual
> instruction. My first flight was from a 150 foot wide runway and I used
> most of that width on take off. It is very easy to over control by
> inputing too much rudder. My prop turns left so the airplane went right
> when the tail came up, I pushed too much left rudder and swerved back
> accross the centerline.
>
> The second flight I used a lot less width because I could anticipate how
> the plane would react and how much rudder to input.
>
> About the first five hours I limited myself to flying in no wind
> conditions only. Not even wind aligned with the runway. Then I graduated
> to five mph with no cross wind then five mph cross wind etc.
>
> To answer your question about tail wheel spring tension. My tail wheel is
> a Maul. The chains are adjusted loose enough so that there is no tension
> on the springs but not loose enough that the chains sag. It handles
> really well.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195857#195857
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First flight |
I find that my feet are rock steady on takeoff and real busy on landing.
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:01 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: First flight
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> Tom - I had the same problem transitioning from many years of flying spam
> cans to my taildragging Kitfox. I was trying to use calculated *pressure*
> on
> the rudder pedal to compensate for perceived drifting, but it never
> worked!
> My instructor solved the problem by teaching me the taildragger "dance" -
> pump the pedals all the time while on the ground and pump more for the
> direction you want to go. It takes some practice but it works. Watch any
> video of a taildragger landing or taking off - the rudder will be wagging
> like a happy puppy. Just remember - they're not footrests in a
> taildragger!
>
> Bob Brennan
> 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
> Sent: 31 July 2008 9:45 am
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: First flight
>
>
> Kerry,
> My total tail wheel time when I first flew my Kitfox was 20 hours dual
> instruction. My first flight was from a 150 foot wide runway and I used
> most of that width on take off. It is very easy to over control by
> inputing
> too much rudder. My prop turns left so the airplane went right when the
> tail came up, I pushed too much left rudder and swerved back accross the
> centerline.
>
> The second flight I used a lot less width because I could anticipate how
> the
> plane would react and how much rudder to input.
>
> About the first five hours I limited myself to flying in no wind
> conditions
> only. Not even wind aligned with the runway. Then I graduated to five
> mph
> with no cross wind then five mph cross wind etc.
>
> To answer your question about tail wheel spring tension. My tail wheel is
> a
> Maul. The chains are adjusted loose enough so that there is no tension on
> the springs but not loose enough that the chains sag. It handles really
> well.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195857#195857
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First flight |
Hi Tom and Pete, thanks for the input. It matches what I am experiencing. I have
about 500 hours on tail draggers but the Kitfox, at least the way this one is
configured, is the most directionally sensitive I have flown.
It has helped by putting a bit of slack into the spring and chain. This seems to
allow some directional control with rudder before the tailwheel starts to become
the main steering method (with tail on the ground).
I think I'm just used to a much looser/slacker tail wheel set up. The aeroplane
actually tracks perfectly - it's only when I start the "tailwheel" tap dance
that things get a bit lively.
More landings will help. Storms here tonight so I'm grounded til Sunday.
Kerry
Vienna
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Subject: | Re: First flight |
Be careful with the slack springs. You need to bend them to make sure they
won't come loose. If they do come loose you will have NO control at slow
speed.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: First flight
>
> Hi Tom and Pete, thanks for the input. It matches what I am experiencing.
> I have about 500 hours on tail draggers but the Kitfox, at least the way
> this one is configured, is the most directionally sensitive I have flown.
>
> It has helped by putting a bit of slack into the spring and chain. This
> seems to allow some directional control with rudder before the tailwheel
> starts to become the main steering method (with tail on the ground).
>
> I think I'm just used to a much looser/slacker tail wheel set up. The
> aeroplane actually tracks perfectly - it's only when I start the
> "tailwheel" tap dance that things get a bit lively.
>
> More landings will help. Storms here tonight so I'm grounded til Sunday.
> Kerry
> Vienna
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195876#195876
>
>
>
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Subject: | Wanted: Kitfox IV - 1200 |
Hello everyone,
Many moons ago I lurked on this list dreaming of a Kitfox. Since then
I begun my aviation career and have been a certified airplane owner
since 2002. I am once again dreaming of a Kitfox. After discussions
with friends/owners I am looking at finding my airplane.
Looking for a model IV-1200 on wheels or floats or amphibs.
If anyone knows of a already flying animal forsale or very near
completion or slightly damaged then please give me a shout.
Enea Grande
(204) 252-2156 - HM
(204) 428-2568 - WK
aluminum.flyer@gmail.com
Many thanks.
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Subject: | Re: Wing Tank Fuel Coating- Peeling |
Ken,
-
Have a peek inside those tanks. It may not be a problem for you. My model 2
tanks are of about the same vintage as yours and (knock wood) I've-had n
o problems. So far. But the advice to remove and check your finger strainer
s at least annually is certainly sound.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box
-
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Ken Potter <kjpotter@sympatico.ca> wrote:
From: Ken Potter <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing Tank Fuel Coating- Peeling
<kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
Now I'm a little worried. I bought my kitfox II last year about 90%
complete. The tanks were installed by the previous builder in 1994. I will
be
ready for test flying in early spring 09. Should I be worried; ie; should
I
borascope the tanks???
Ken Potter
Kitfox II 483
Rotax 582 c box
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Subject: | Re: First flight |
I'm one of those who are learning from the start in my KF-S5. I can rel
ate to Pete's 4 bounce on landing but sometimes I would be happy with on
ly 4 bounces. I now have over 50 landings and 75% are good (not excelen
t), and the other 25% I wish I could take back. I'm glad I have patient
cfi's. I have no idea how learning in the KF compares to learning in a
trike cause I've never tried landing anything but the KF... oping the l
earning curve levels out soon so I can solo. Layne Anchorage, Ak.
S5 Sooby
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Subject: | Re: First flight |
Not to discourage you, much, but I got my PPL many years ago in a Piper
Tomahawk and soloed after 12 hours of dual. When I bought my Kitfox I hadn't
flown in about 20 years so opted to start again from scratch for an NPPL in
the UK. Looking at my logbook it was after 30 hours of dual that I soloed
again, although about 8 hours of that was in a trike microlight. So I figure
it took me about twice as long, but now I'm pretty darn good at it.
BTW I bought the KF from a gent who was learning to fly first time - he gave
up and a bought Jabiru trike kit.
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lkc@juno.com
Sent: 31 July 2008 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: First flight
I'm one of those who are learning from the start in my KF-S5. I can relate
to Pete's 4 bounce on landing but sometimes I would be happy with only 4
bounces. I now have over 50 landings and 75% are good (not excelent), and
the other 25% I wish I could take back. I'm glad I have patient cfi's. I
have no idea how learning in the KF compares to learning in a trike cause
I've never tried landing anything but the KF... oping the learning curve
levels out soon so I can solo. Layne Anchorage, Ak. S5 Sooby
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Subject: | Re: First flight |
[quote="lkc(at)juno.com"]I'm one of those who are learning from the start in my
KF-S5.? I can relate to Pete's 4 bounce on landing but sometimes I would be happy
with only 4 bounces. I now have over 50 landings and 75% are good (not excelent),
and the other 25% I wish I could take back. I'm glad I have patient
cfi's. I have no idea how learning in the KF compares to learning in a trike
cause I've never tried landing anything but the KF... oping the learning curve
levels out soon so I can solo. Layne Anchorage, Ak. S5 Sooby
> [b]
Do you have big tires on it? I know most of us have gone to at least 20" tires
up here, I have 24" on mine. If you have big tires on, you may consider going
to a smaller 800 or so until you have it figured out. The first tail dragger
I flew was a PA12 with 30" airstreaks. The first take off was from ENA on the
grass strip with no issues. We landed on the main runway and I bout killed
us. Big tires at 3 psi and a cross wind make for exciting times on pavement.
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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Subject: | Re: First flight |
Layne,
Did you get the Bungies I sent?
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: lkc@juno.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: First flight
I'm one of those who are learning from the start in my KF-S5. I can
relate to Pete's 4 bounce on landing but sometimes I would be happy with
only 4 bounces. I now have over 50 landings and 75% are good (not
excelent), and the other 25% I wish I could take back. I'm glad I have
patient cfi's. I have no idea how learning in the KF compares to
learning in a trike cause I've never tried landing anything but the
KF... oping the learning curve levels out soon so I can solo. Layne
Anchorage, Ak. S5 Sooby
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Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
For information. I installed the bearings on the hatch cover of my Kitfox
III. It had NO affect on the ailerons that I can detect.
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
III, 912ul, Grove
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's
>
> I'd say you should be forced to re-read all the archived comments on this
> subject, including mine where I asked what the hell were these skimpy
> little "bearings" that I wanted to leave off, and people set me straight.
> : ) And then maybe a few "hail to the Great God Paso" 's and that
> oughtta get you back in.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
>
>
> On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:12 PM, Pete Christensen wrote:
>
>> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> My name is Pete and I have a confession. I have been flying my Kitfox
>> III without the nylon bearings. It looks like these bearings were
>> attached to the hatch cover. Until now I figured they were unnecessary
>> since mine are broken off. How can I be made to see the error of my
>> ways and be accepted back to the flock?
>>
>>
>> Pete
>> Hell Paso, TX
>> Kitfox III, 912ul, Grove gear
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:40 PM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
Pete
do you have the counter weights on the 3 or is that something for the later
models? Just wondering because my 5 is very light on the controls almost as
sensitive as a helicopter
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
For information. I installed the bearings on the hatch cover of my Kitfox
III. It had NO affect on the ailerons that I can detect.
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
III, 912ul, Grove
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's
>
> I'd say you should be forced to re-read all the archived comments on this
> subject, including mine where I asked what the hell were these skimpy
> little "bearings" that I wanted to leave off, and people set me straight.
> : ) And then maybe a few "hail to the Great God Paso" 's and that
> oughtta get you back in.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/547+ hrs
>
>
> On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:12 PM, Pete Christensen wrote:
>
>> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> My name is Pete and I have a confession. I have been flying my Kitfox
>> III without the nylon bearings. It looks like these bearings were
>> attached to the hatch cover. Until now I figured they were unnecessary
>> since mine are broken off. How can I be made to see the error of my
>> ways and be accepted back to the flock?
>>
>>
>> Pete
>> Hell Paso, TX
>> Kitfox III, 912ul, Grove gear
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:40 PM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Back from Oshkosh... |
I'm back from a really nice time in Oshkosh.....return trip of 407
miles in 3.6 hours....a bit of a tailwind for some of the trip.
Beer beckons.....
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/557+ hrs
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Kerry,
First, Congratulations! And hang in there, be safe and have fun.
Also, what is it that appears to be hanging below your cockpit?
Randy
Series 5/ 7 firewall forward
912S WarpDrive taper tip.
Just passed 200 hours and it is a great plane.
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyring
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: First flight
The S5 I helped build first flew a couple of hours a year or so ago - with
another pilot - but then engine problems, work and life got in the way.
This week, all problems resolved, I flew it for the first time and yes, it
was like a first solo. Exhilarating : :D It has the 912S and Grove gear -
see attachment.
I have no choice but to do the test flying (50 hours required here) from a
narrow paved runway so I am a bit nervous about the ground behaviour. The
plane tracks straight but is very sensitive to rudder pedal input and
quickly develops a swing. The first landing was done with very tight spring
tension in the springs between rudder and tail wheel and I felt this was
just too direct to be safe. I've now put in an extra link and have some
slack in the springs and chain link. It feels better but I will need a few
more landings to become confident. It's a maule tail wheel by the way.
Any tips on tail wheel steering spring tension?
Kerry
S5 builders helper and "begeistert" kitfox flyer
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Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
The nylon blocks are more a guide than a precision fit.
If you need to lube them they are fitted too tight.
Some lube will attract dirt and they will cause more friction. If you need a lube
get some lube that dires . I use a molybdenum spray lube for my amphib nose
gear swivels. But no where else.
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Subject: | Re: Heavy stick for aileron's |
Good point Dave. I probably do need to clean it up..dry it out and use graphite
to prevent the gooey mess! Thanks!
Travis :D
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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Lynn
Did you receive the money for the wheel Pant components?
best regards
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
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