---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/01/08: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:04 AM - Re: Back from Oshkosh... (steve shinabery) 2. 04:12 AM - Re: Back from Oshkosh... (n61kf) 3. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Back from Oshkosh... (Marco Menezes) 4. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's (Pete Christensen) 5. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Back from Oshkosh... (Lynn Matteson) 6. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Back from Oshkosh... (Lynn Matteson) 7. 08:03 AM - Re: To Lynn . (Lynn Matteson) 8. 08:05 AM - Re: Back from Oshkosh... (Lynn Matteson) 9. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Flying in the rain (Lynn Matteson) 10. 09:04 AM - Re: Wanted: Kitfox IV - 1200 (Guy Buchanan) 11. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Flying in the rain (Lynn Matteson) 12. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (Lynn Matteson) 13. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: door handle questions (Lynn Matteson) 14. 10:23 AM - Re: Wanted: Kitfox IV - 1200 (Dacha) 15. 10:24 AM - Re: door handle questions (Lynn Matteson) 16. 10:28 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Lynn Matteson) 17. 10:34 AM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Lynn Matteson) 18. 10:59 AM - Re: Rain ... but no longer actual (Lynn Matteson) 19. 11:10 AM - Alternator for NSI EA81 (Clem Nichols) 20. 11:22 AM - Re: Rain ... but no longer actual (Marco Menezes) 21. 11:29 AM - Re: First flight (Lynn Matteson) 22. 11:54 AM - Re: Alternator for NSI EA81 (paul wilson) 23. 12:23 PM - Re: First flight (Pete Christensen) 24. 12:36 PM - (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest (Michel Verheughe) 25. 01:18 PM - Re: Alternator for NSI EA81 (fox5flyer) 26. 01:25 PM - Re: Back from Oshkosh... (steve shinabery) 27. 02:47 PM - Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest (Noel Loveys) 28. 02:52 PM - Re: Alternator for NSI EA81 (Clem Nichols) 29. 03:14 PM - Re: Wing Tank Fuel Coating- Peeling (Ken Potter) 30. 03:19 PM - Re: First flight (Lynn Matteson) 31. 04:22 PM - Re: Alternator for NSI EA81 (Rick) 32. 04:26 PM - Re: Losing Aileron Controll in Flight (Ken Potter) 33. 04:33 PM - Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest (Randy Daughenbaugh) 34. 04:46 PM - Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest (Ken Potter) 35. 05:41 PM - Re: Alternator for NSI EA81 (Clint Bazzill) 36. 07:24 PM - Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs (dcsfoto) 37. 10:50 PM - Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest (Jose M. Toro) 38. 11:02 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 39. 11:05 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:23 AM PST US From: steve shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Back from Oshkosh... Lynn Matteson wrote: > > I'm back from a really nice time in Oshkosh.....return trip of 407 > miles in 3.6 hours....a bit of a tailwind for some of the trip. > > Beer beckons..... > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster > Jabiru 2200 > Status: flying w/557+ hrs > > > 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:39 AM > > Hey Lynn,,Welcome back home,,may B some time when I retire I can fly with you to one...Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:38 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Back from Oshkosh... From: "n61kf" Matt, and I are also back home from Oshkosh. 4.75 hours on the return flight. It was great to meet you and the rest of the Kitfox folks. Yea, a cold beer and a little air conditioning is a wonderful thing! Keith Schneider IV-1200---912 Waynesville Ohio do not archive -------- Keith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195971#195971 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:32 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Back from Oshkosh... Not to mention a real bed and a-home-cooked-meal! - Uneventful return flight at 7,500 msl over Lake Michigan with a 20 knot tai l wind. - Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box - do not archive --- On Fri, 8/1/08, n61kf wrote: From: n61kf Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Back from Oshkosh... Matt, and I are also back home from Oshkosh. 4.75 hours on the return fligh t. It was great to meet you and the rest of the Kitfox folks. Yea, a cold beer and a little air conditioning is a wonderful thing! Keith Schneider IV-1200---912 Waynesville Ohio do not archive -------- Keith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195971#195971 =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:07 AM PST US From: "Pete Christensen" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's The blocks on my III are made of polyethylene. They cause no drag unlubed. There is no noticeable difference with them or without them. I would say that if they need lube, they are too tight or binding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's > > The nylon blocks are more a guide than a precision fit. > If you need to lube them they are fitted too tight. > > Some lube will attract dirt and they will cause more friction. If you need > a lube get some lube that dires . I use a molybdenum spray lube for my > amphib nose gear swivels. But no where else. > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > Flying Videos and Kitfox Info > http://www.cfisher.com/ > Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195946#195946 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:08 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Back from Oshkosh... Did you run into rain, Keith? When I flew out of the Homebuilder's Review Flight, it was right on 3 pm, Wisconsin time, and I ran into kinda dreary conditions west of Chicago, staying at 1600 msl, coming between JOT and LOT, then a little further east saw lightning. A nearby ATIS said lighting to the far east and southeast, so I bent my course slightly NE and kept flying. I shortly came into sunny skies and no more bad signs. My low fuel warning light came on (indicating 15 minutes remaining) as I was letting down near my home field. As you might recall, it also came on during base to 36L at Oshkosh. It must be that the original designers engineered the size of those tanks for exactly a Grass Lake, MI-to-Oshkosh trip. : ) Ron Smith had a pretty good day at the Seaplane Base and dinner, but I won't spoil the surprise if he chooses to tell about it. Yes, it was great to put some faces to the names here on the list. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs do not archive On Aug 1, 2008, at 7:09 AM, n61kf wrote: > > Matt, and I are also back home from Oshkosh. 4.75 hours on the > return flight. It was great to meet you and the rest of the Kitfox > folks. > > Yea, a cold beer and a little air conditioning is a wonderful thing! > > Keith Schneider > IV-1200---912 > Waynesville Ohio > > do not archive > > -------- > Keith > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195971#195971 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:14 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Back from Oshkosh... What a man! : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/550+ hrs do not archive On Aug 1, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Uneventful return flight at 7,500 msl over Lake Michigan with a 20 > knot tail wind. > > Marco Menezes N99KX ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:23 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Lynn . Yes I did, Gary, and I meant to call/email you, but forgot in all the Oshkosh preparations....I hoisted a beer in your direction...thanks. I also had a better look at the outer pant-support spindle, and the nut is welded inside of the tube, then the washer is welded onto the tube, with the weld fillet being on the backside of the washer. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs do not archive On Aug 1, 2008, at 12:03 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote: > > Lynn > > Did you receive the money for the wheel Pant components? > > best regards > > Gary > > Gary Algate > SMC, Exploration > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. 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Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs do not archive On Aug 1, 2008, at 5:03 AM, steve shinabery wrote: > > Lynn Matteson wrote: >> >> I'm back from a really nice time in Oshkosh.....return trip of 407 >> miles in 3.6 hours....a bit of a tailwind for some of the trip. >> >> Beer beckons..... >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Kitfox IV Speedster >> Jabiru 2200 >> Status: flying w/557+ hrs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:39 AM >> >> >> > Hey Lynn,,Welcome back home,,may B some time when I retire I can > fly with you to one...Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:29 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Flying in the rain I was taught to always check in the tightening direction because doing it the other way is not accurate. I do this in stages. First at, say 120 (for an eventual goal of 140), then 130, then 140. If the wrench clicks (or whatever the indication on your wrench is) at the first number you know the torque is at a higher reading, so set the wrench to the second number, etc. When you get near to the target number, the wrench will not click until it reaches the target number, in this example 140. Now if you are using a beam-and-pointer style wrench, you can't tell (that I know of) if they are too tight without possibly going beyond the target number. In this case you have to loosen and re-tighten. With the "settable" torque wrench, when a number is achieved, the wrench clicks, or otherwise indicates that the target number has been reached, and tightening stops, unless you continue to pull, then you've gone beyond the target torque reading. When I worked for Chrysler, we would check torque by placing a socket on the nut then painting a fine line on the socket and on the part to indicate the rotational relationship for starting the test. Then check in the tightening direction until the lines started to separate and note the torque reading...this took two persons... if the torque was too high, we would record the high reading, loosen and re-torque to specs. That was always on metal parts. With wood parts like props, it is best to not do this (I think) because the extra crushing that can occur through over-torquing is said to crush the wood fibers and break open the seal of varnish allowing moisture to enter. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs On Jul 25, 2008, at 7:56 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote: >> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] >> I check in the tightening direction, and if too >> tight I loosen and re-tighten to the torque specs > > This is where I don't follow, Lynn. How do you know they are too > tight if you don't try to loosen them first? > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > > 

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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:39 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wanted: Kitfox IV - 1200 At 10:05 AM 7/31/2008, you wrote: >If anyone knows of a already flying animal forsale or very near >completion or slightly damaged then please give me a shout. Make sure you keep close tabs on Barnstormers.com. That's where most of the action is. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:11 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Flying in the rain Maybe the same could be said of climbing into a perfectly safe airplane (sitting on the ground) and taking it up into the air in the first place. "A man's gotta know his limitations..." (Clint Eastwood) I gotta differ with you on the "loosening for checking torque", Noel...I can't recall where I read it or learned it, but it's something about the cam and ramp action that is not accurate when loosening. I might have learned it wrong, too. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs do not archive On Jul 25, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Noel Loveys wrote: > Just imagine... jumping out of perfectly good operating > airplanes... not my > cup of tea! > > Noel > >> The idea of loosening bolts to check the torque is the recommended >> procedure. > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:43 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs Mine cost me $350....he drove from about 85 miles away. He said initially that having the paperwork in order was the most crucial part to get in order even before he would begin to think about coming over. A friend used free FAA inspectors, but had to wait a week or so. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs On Jul 26, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tom Jones wrote: > > >> Does anyone else have invoices/memories of the cost of getting >> their Airworthiness Certificate? > > > May 5, 2000, $332.50. This included 300 miles round trip travel > and motel costs split with another plane he inspected the same > day. He spent about an hour going through my builders log and > paper work and about two hours inspecting the kitfox. > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195046#195046 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:53 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: door handle questions The detent rivets help hold the handle in position when opened, and also when closed. The plastic rivet heads wear out after a while...mine did...but if you are careful to not let the door bang shut with the inside handle lowered so as to hit the fabric, you shouldn't have a problem. Someone mentioned figuring out how to open the door from the outside in case of emergency....my tech inspector insisted that I get...and I did...placards from Spruce that read "open" with an arrow showing rotation direction. These can be applied from inside, and they are a sure way to keep some excited ambulance worker from ruining your door...that is in case YOU haven't ruined it already. : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs On Jul 27, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Tom Jones wrote: > > >> With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door handle >> C it looked to me like it must be rivited to something C Why >> else would the holes be there?? > > > Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes > the instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where > you install the plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that. > > One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the > striker plate on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet > for structural reasons. > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195176#195176 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:04 AM PST US From: "Dacha" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wanted: Kitfox IV - 1200 I have a Kitfox 5 for sale and it is on Barnstormers in Missouri LeRoy ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:55 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: door handle questions I love my double pin latch. I feel very secure with it because you can really lurch against it and it feels very solidly engaged when closed. I also had the lower latch and installed it too, as I had heard of others having the door "suck out" at the bottom...this can be a nuisance in the wintertime. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs On Jul 27, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > > > I guess it really hurts to find out after all this time that I was > seriously out of the loop. I used the factory handle and > absolutely never had any issues with it what-so-ever. I wish I had > known I did it all wrong. The only change from Tom's installation > was to place the striker plate butting against the front edge of > the seat pan. I am sure it isn't as much fun checking for proper > door closure when accompanied by that rare sweet young thing, but > it worked for me. > > The other optional latch available at the time was the double pin > door latch that came with the speedster. That apparently didn't > work well as the bottom of the door would spring open a bit because > the double pin thing was mid door fore and aft. > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim_and_Lucy Chuk" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 7:32 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: door handle questions > > > Well here I am back again, thanks to everyone who takes the time to > answer the questions. > Once again I have parts that are not covered by my manual for my > Kitfox 4. In the manual > I have, it shows an older (I think) style door handle and that does > me no good. I'll attach a > couple of pics of the parts I have, I know if I see a picture of > them in action it will all be clear, > but right now I can't figure how they go togeather. Thanks again > for all the help. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 MN > > > ================ > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:51 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight Hey Marco, wanna re-think that Lake crossing again?.....this time with a broken aileron link? ; ) (yeah, I know...could happen anytime) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs On Jul 27, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Whoa, Ellery. Major pucker factor! Can you post a pic of the broken > linkage? > > > do not archive > > > Marco Menezes N99KX > > Model 2 582-90 C-Box > > --- On Sun, 7/27/08, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: > > From: ElleryWeld@aol.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:27 AM > > I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of > the Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday in pretty windy > conditions The kitfox flies pretty good without Aileron input > though and I was able to fly it to the airport I was headed to and > land with a slight cross wind but I was pretty busy with the rudder > at times > I just thought I would post this so all of you could inspect your > Linkeage before you lose your aileron controll in flight like what > happened to me yesterday > > Ellery in Maine > do not archive > > In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:12:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nahsikhs@elltel.net writes: > > > > With the 3 countersunk holes in the inside part of the door > handle C it looked to me like it must be rivited to something C > Why else would the holes be there?? > > > Jim, the large hole is to attach a round knob. The two small holes > the instructions say to match drill through into the "Saddle" where > you install the plastic "Detent rivet". I didn't do any of that. > > One important note is the instructions emphasize to epoxy the > striker plate on to the fuselage tubing. Do not drill and rivet > for structural reasons. > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195176#195176 > > > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. 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Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs On Jul 27, 2008, at 12:12 PM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: > It was the Threaded part of the rod end that broke in the threads > > Ellery > > In a message dated 7/27/2008 10:55:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nahsikhs@elltel.net writes: > > > > I Just had the aileron Linkeage that connects to the bottom of > the Pilot side stick brake on me yesterday > > > Ellery, was it the rod end or the clevis bolt that failed? I just > checked and see that the clevis bold will have to be removed to be > inspected. > > Good Job on landing with no aileron control. > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195196#195196 > > > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. 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Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs On Jul 29, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote: >> From: John Allen [kitfoxfugit@yahoo.com] >> I have flown in rain many times. > > Thank you for your answer, John. > > Friends, Sunday was a hot day and I was out with our sailboat when > I got a heart attack followed by a cardiac arrest in the ambulance. > In two days, I'll get a pacemaker. I am afraid that it looks like > my flying days are over. Still - better alive on the ground that > death ... under the ground. > > Best regards, > Michel Verheughe > > Do not archive > > > 

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=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:59 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight A bit sloppy works well for me....see picture. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:04 AM, skyring wrote: > > > Any tips on tail wheel steering spring tension? > > Kerry ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:11 AM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternator for NSI EA81 Suspected that it has a heritage from a Geo Metro of the earlier days. Pretty popular for many homebuilts. Ask the aeroelectric list. Paul ================ At 12:07 PM 8/1/2008, you wrote: >I've a buddy who needs a replacement alternator in his NSI EA81 >powered Kitfox. The data plate is missing from his, and the owners >manual says it's a Nippon Denso 38 amp alternator with a built in >voltage regulator. Googling for this particular model has not >produced any satisfactory results. Any help will be appreciated. > >CN > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:55 PM PST US From: "Pete Christensen" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight Lynn, Is that a pneumatic tire? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight >A bit sloppy works well for me....see picture. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster > Jabiru 2200 > Status: flying w/557+ hrs > > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:04 AM, skyring wrote: > >> >> >> Any tips on tail wheel steering spring tension? >> >> Kerry > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:55 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest Dear friends, I am overwhelmed by all your kind words and best wishes. I am now back to the hospital of my home town, with a defibrillator/pacemaker implant. It was tested this morning and I must say that it is very strange to see a doctor in front of a computer, regulating my heartbeat at distance! Yes, I will continue to fly because ... it is the best thing I have done in my life and I could the days to be back in the sky. But it will probably be with my son as PIC. Because, although I have only the Norwegian ultralight (equivalent to Sport Pilot) license, I am pretty sure that I will be facing a quarantaine before I can fly alone. My driving license is already withdrawn for a year. You see, while many have heart attacks, few have it followed by a cardiac arrest as I did. In fact, I was heart dead for about five minutes. If such thing repeats itself on the road or in the air, I am a danger for third parties. Apparently my cardiac arrest was triggered by a very mild heart attack but it doesn't explain why it ceased to beat. The doctors think of a birth defect but are not certain, hence the 'portable' defibrillator they want me to wear now. Again, thank you for all your kind words and I'll fly again ... but I need to sort out a few things first. Best regards, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 200 do not archive
________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:32 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternator for NSI EA81 That is a very ubiquitous alternator, but I believe mine is a 50amp. Try googling the 50amp nippon and see what you get. Also, try a Subaru Brat 84-86 vintage. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 385+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ----- Original Message ----- From: Clem Nichols To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Alternator for NSI EA81 I've a buddy who needs a replacement alternator in his NSI EA81 powered Kitfox. The data plate is missing from his, and the owners manual says it's a Nippon Denso 38 amp alternator with a built in voltage regulator. Googling for this particular model has not produced any satisfactory results. Any help will be appreciated. CN ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:52 PM PST US From: steve shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Back from Oshkosh... Lynn Matteson wrote: > > Better get with it Steve...time's a-wasting....: ) > > Did you get your tailwheel situation corrected? > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster > Jabiru 2200 > Status: flying w/557+ hrs > do not archive > > > On Aug 1, 2008, at 5:03 AM, steve shinabery wrote: > >> >> Lynn Matteson wrote: >>> >>> I'm back from a really nice time in Oshkosh.....return trip of 407 >>> miles in 3.6 hours....a bit of a tailwind for some of the trip. >>> >>> Beer beckons..... >>> >>> Lynn Matteson >>> Kitfox IV Speedster >>> Jabiru 2200 >>> Status: flying w/557+ hrs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:39 AM >>> >>> >>> >> Hey Lynn,,Welcome back home,,may B some time when I retire I can fly >> with you to one...Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 >> >> >> >> > > > 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:39 AM > > Hi again Lynn,,yes I have fixed the tail wheel problem.I took my old 1 leaf spring.and had 2 new ones made just like the old one,plus added 1in.to it..I made it out of reg steel.since my old one was all so steel.I drilled+ formed the bends in my shop press.I am now just finishing every thing up.I all so added new Tundra Tires,rims new brakes etc.new door latches+window vents..now I have to get it re weighed+annual done..and I think N554KF is ready to fly again..I do not think I have to worry about the tail wheel breaking off any more..STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:41 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest Great to hear from you Michel.. I hope you can get your son as interested in the 'Fox as you sure are. Better to be second seat than no seat at all! Take it easy and do whatever the Docs tell you to do even though at times it may sound not quite right. Some of them actually don't fly. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest Dear friends, I am overwhelmed by all your kind words and best wishes. I am now back to the hospital of my home town, with a defibrillator/pacemaker implant. It was tested this morning and I must say that it is very strange to see a doctor in front of a computer, regulating my heartbeat at distance! Yes, I will continue to fly because ... it is the best thing I have done in my life and I could the days to be back in the sky. But it will probably be with my son as PIC. Because, although I have only the Norwegian ultralight (equivalent to Sport Pilot) license, I am pretty sure that I will be facing a quarantaine before I can fly alone. My driving license is already withdrawn for a year. You see, while many have heart attacks, few have it followed by a cardiac arrest as I did. In fact, I was heart dead for about five minutes. If such thing repeats itself on the road or in the air, I am a danger for third parties. Apparently my cardiac arrest was triggered by a very mild heart attack but it doesn't explain why it ceased to beat. The doctors think of a birth defect but are not certain, hence the 'portable' defibrillator they want me to wear now. Again, thank you for all your kind words and I'll fly again ... but I need to sort out a few things first. Best regards, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 200 do not archive 


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________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:33 PM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternator for NSI EA81 Thanks for your response. This should at least point him in the right direction. Interestingly, one place in the owners manual says it's a 38 amp unit, and another place a few pages later describes it as a 50 amp unit. CN ----- Original Message ----- From: fox5flyer To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alternator for NSI EA81 That is a very ubiquitous alternator, but I believe mine is a 50amp. Try googling the 50amp nippon and see what you get. Also, try a Subaru Brat 84-86 vintage. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 385+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ----- Original Message ----- From: Clem Nichols To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Alternator for NSI EA81 I've a buddy who needs a replacement alternator in his NSI EA81 powered Kitfox. The data plate is missing from his, and the owners manual says it's a Nippon Denso 38 amp alternator with a built in voltage regulator. Googling for this particular model has not produced any satisfactory results. Any help will be appreciated. CN href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:06 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing Tank Fuel Coating- Peeling From: "Ken Potter" Thanks to everyone for the advice. I checked the tanks today. One appears to have a white coating, and the other is bare fibreglass. I'm going to give the previous owner a call and ask him about it. Question, is the white coating a sealant? The wings are ready to go on the plane, but I think that I can coat the other tank if I can assemble a large enough "team" the move the hole wing. Cheers Ken Potter Kitfox II No. 483 Rotax 582 c box Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196078#196078 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:57 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight No, it's the Homebuilder's Special from Aircraft Spruce....it's soft, measures about 6", and works quite well. Part #06-03600...about $30 Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs On Aug 1, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Pete Christensen wrote: > > > Lynn, > > Is that a pneumatic tire? > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight > > >> A bit sloppy works well for me....see picture. >> >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > >> >> >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Kitfox IV Speedster >> Jabiru 2200 >> Status: flying w/557+ hrs >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:04 AM, skyring wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Any tips on tail wheel steering spring tension? >>> >>> Kerry >> > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:04 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Alternator for NSI EA81 Have him take it to Kragen or similar auto parts store for a rebuild exchange, and with a life time warranty. Remove the pulley first. Don't tell them its for a plane. Dune buggy works well. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clem Nichols Sent: 2008-08-01 11:08 Subject: Kitfox-List: Alternator for NSI EA81 I've a buddy who needs a replacement alternator in his NSI EA81 powered Kitfox. The data plate is missing from his, and the owners manual says it's a Nippon Denso 38 amp alternator with a built in voltage regulator. Googling for this particular model has not produced any satisfactory results. Any help will be appreciated. CN ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Losing Aileron Controll in Flight From: "Ken Potter" Ellery; Kudos for getting the bird down. I used to fly 2 channel radio control and it was always easy to pick up a wing with rudder. I've practiced in other "real" aircraft (cessna and diamond) controlling without aileron and its not easy!! You've said earlier that you think the crack was not new. I have a bit of experience with material failure through my job as an accident investigator with the Transportation Safety Board of Canada. If the crack was pre-existing you should see a darker area representing the pre-existing crack and a dull grey area were it finally failed. Anyway, thanks for the alert. Although I've not yet flown my Fox, I will now check the geometry of all of the linkages and check for binding, deflection etc. Cheers Ken Potter Kitfox II, No. 483 Rotx 583 C Box Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196093#196093 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:28 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest Good to hear from you Michel. Hang in there and keep us informed of progress. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest Dear friends, I am overwhelmed by all your kind words and best wishes. I am now back to the hospital of my home town, with a defibrillator/pacemaker implant. It was tested this morning and I must say that it is very strange to see a doctor in front of a computer, regulating my heartbeat at distance! Yes, I will continue to fly because ... it is the best thing I have done in my life and I could the days to be back in the sky. But it will probably be with my son as PIC. Because, although I have only the Norwegian ultralight (equivalent to Sport Pilot) license, I am pretty sure that I will be facing a quarantaine before I can fly alone. My driving license is already withdrawn for a year. You see, while many have heart attacks, few have it followed by a cardiac arrest as I did. In fact, I was heart dead for about five minutes. If such thing repeats itself on the road or in the air, I am a danger for third parties. Apparently my cardiac arrest was triggered by a very mild heart attack but it doesn't explain why it ceased to beat. The doctors think of a birth defect but are not certain, hence the 'portable' defibrillator they want me to wear now. Again, thank you for all your kind words and I'll fly again ... but I need to sort out a few things first. Best regards, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 200 do not archive 


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________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:54 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest From: "Ken Potter" Michel: I am relatively new to the Kitfox community having just acquired my plane last summer. Since that time I have appreciated your posts on this list. I am planning to convert my Fox to a Jabiru 2200 once the rotax meets its TBO and your experience with this engine in your Fox is invaluable. Please continue posting. Remember, the heart may be (temporarily) weak, but the mind is strong!! God speed for your recovery, Ken Potter Kitfox II No 483 Rotax 582 c boc Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196098#196098 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:36 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Alternator for NSI EA81 I have a very small alternator. The one that is used on the 912 series eng ines. It's brand new=2C contact me off line. Clint E: Kitfox-List: Alternator for NSI EA81To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Have him take it to Kragen or similar auto parts store for a rebuild exchan ge=2C and with a life time warranty. Remove the pulley first. Don't tell th em its for a plane. Dune buggy works well. Rick -----Original Message-----From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mai lto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clem NicholsSent: 2008-08-01 11:08To: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: Alternat or for NSI EA81 I've a buddy who needs a replacement alternator in his NSI EA81 powered Kit fox. The data plate is missing from his=2C and the owners manual says it's a Nippon Denso 38 amp alternator with a built in voltage regulator. Googl ing for this particular model has not produced any satisfactory results. A ny help will be appreciated. CN href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:28 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Imported UK Kitfox, Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs From: "dcsfoto" in my FAA office it could be 12 weeks or more. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196116#196116 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:28 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest Michel:=0AIs good to know that you have a "calibrated"-pacemaker in place .--Your words, as usual,-show an optimistic attitude about your healt h and your future in aviation, and I'm happy about that.-- I'm looking forward for more pictures and reports from your well known flying trips, no matter if your son is beside you.-You are in my prayers.-My best wishe s for you, amigo mio!!!=0AJose=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFro m: Michel Verheughe =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASe nt: Friday, August 1, 2008 3:34:22 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: (Off-topic) C ardiac arrest=0A=0ADear friends, I am overwhelmed by all your kind words an d best wishes. =0AI am now back to the hospital of my home town, with a def ibrillator/pacemaker implant. It was tested this morning and I must say tha t it is very strange to see a doctor in front of a computer, regulating my heartbeat at distance!=0A=0AYes, I will continue to fly because ... it is t he best thing I have done in my life and I could the days to be back in the sky. But it will probably be with my son as PIC. Because, although I have only the Norwegian ultralight (equivalent to Sport Pilot) license, I am pre tty sure that I will be facing a quarantaine before I can fly alone. My dri ving license is already withdrawn for a year. You see, while many have hear t attacks, few have it followed by a cardiac arrest as I did. In fact, I wa s heart dead for about five minutes. If such thing repeats itself on the ro ad or in the air, I am a danger for third parties.=0AApparently my cardiac arrest was triggered by a very mild heart attack but it doesn't explain why it ceased to beat. The doctors think of a birth defect but are not certain , hence the 'portable' defibrillator they want me to wear now.=0A=0AAgain, thank you for all your kind words and I'll fly again ... but I need to sort out a few things first.=0A=0ABest regards,=0AMichel Verheughe=0ANorway=0AK itfox 3 - Jabiru 200=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A
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The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * Kitfox-List.FAQ - Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Kitfox-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:26 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kitfox-List: Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Kitfox-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. 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