---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/03/08: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:16 AM - Kitfox Cowl (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 2. 01:24 AM - Jabiru installation (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 3. 02:23 AM - RE Jabiru installation (Michel Verheughe) 4. 04:01 AM - Re: Jabiru installation (Lynn Matteson) 5. 04:02 AM - Re: RE Jabiru installation (Lynn Matteson) 6. 04:03 AM - Re: RE Jabiru installation (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 7. 05:39 AM - Re: RE Jabiru installation (steve shinabery) 8. 06:10 AM - Re: Kitfox Cowl (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 9. 08:53 AM - 2008 EAA Airventure Aircraft Awards (dholly) 10. 05:20 PM - Just 2 of the pics I took in Oshkosh (kirk hull) 11. 05:33 PM - ASI's at what speed do they start (jerry evans) 12. 06:01 PM - Re: ASI's at what speed do they start (Larry Huntley) 13. 06:30 PM - Re: epoxys (jlfernan) 14. 06:39 PM - Re: 2008 EAA Airventure Aircraft Awards (Kevin Cozik) 15. 06:40 PM - Re: ASI's at what speed do they start (Lynn Matteson) 16. 07:12 PM - Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Lynn Matteson) 17. 07:36 PM - Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Sbennett3@aol.com) 18. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: epoxys (Lowell Fitt) 19. 07:52 PM - Re: ASI's at what speed do they start (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 20. 08:17 PM - Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Lynn Matteson) 21. 09:06 PM - Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 22. 09:06 PM - Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 23. 09:06 PM - Re: ASI's at what speed do they start (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 24. 09:08 PM - Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 25. 09:13 PM - Re: ASI's at what speed do they start (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 26. 09:20 PM - Re: Re: epoxys (paul wilson) 27. 09:26 PM - Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Jim Crowder) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:00 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Cowl From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Jim You might also try Skyfox as they produce a copy of the Model 4 complete with a "Cessna" type cowl for the 912 engine. www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=Skyfox%20CA-25&distinct_entry=true Regards Gary Gary Algate SMC, Exploration Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:24 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru installation From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Hello Jim I had to do quite a bit of experimenting during the installation of the cooling ducts with my Jab - biggest problem I ended up having was the inlet area of my oil cooler was way to big and this was pressuring up the lower cowl area. I reduced the inlet opening to 4" x 1-1/2" and added some additional exit area below the cooler and saw a significant temp drop. If you want a good contact for Kitfox / Jab installations you can also contact Dave Jalanti as he is now a dealer for Jabiru in the USA and is a wealth of knowledge on Kitfox installations - he's also a really nice guy and has helped me a lot! His Company is called jabiru power solutions: dave@jabirups.com By the way after Lynn's comment about my airspeed I checked my ASI against a friend's plane today and it looks like I am reading about 8 mph high - Damn! This brings my cruise back to 107mph - still great, but for a while there I was getting really excited. I have a really fast ASI for sale if anybody's interested !!!!!! Regards Gary Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab2200 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. "Jim Crowder" Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 03/08/2008 03:19 AM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To cc Subject RE: Kitfox-List: To Lynn . Gary, It sounds like you have it all together. Good for you. I am in the process of installing a 3300 on my Kitfox S5. I am working on a custom cowling and am doing some redesign after all of the emphasis on getting proper pressure drop. I have been away from home for two months and am about to get serious about the project again. Jim Crowder -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of gary.algate@sandvik.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:22 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Lynn . Lynn Thanks for all your help with the wheel pants - hopefully I can reciprocate one day. By the way I fitted a new Jab2200A to my plane upon return to Oz - I ended up managing to get hold of the solid lifter version as this appears to be the preferred unit at the moment. Performance is way up and at the recommended cruise RPM of 2800 I am seeing 115 Mph at 14 Ltr/Hr burn. Take off with me and full tanks sees 1100 Ft/Min which is pretty unnerving until you get used to it. Best regards Gary Gary Algate Classic 4 (New) 2200A Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:30 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: RE Jabiru installation > biggest problem I ended up having was the > inlet area of my oil cooler was way to big and this was pressuring up the > lower cowl area. Gary is right, Jim. The key to a good Jabiru installation is to make a good cooling chamber around the engine. One of the common mistake is to make the oil cooler inlet too big as the aim is to create a high pressure above the engine and a low pressure under. Since I moulded my own cowling, I made the hole for the oil cooler very small. Then, after a few trial flights, I made it larger. Actually, the last adjustment was made in the hottest day of that summer, just to keep the oil temperature where it should. Another thing is to make a big 'lip' at the outlet under the cowling. That creates a low pressure area that really sucks the air out of the cowling. I tried the Skyfox cowling on my model 3 but I have a cowling / glareshield / firewall / panel that is a perfect section of a circle, where the Skyfox cowling is a flatter curve on the top. If I was to use the Skyfox cowling, I would have to reshape all of the above. I went then to modify and mould myself the fore end of my old cowling. ... Incidentally, I am now back at home and ... after all your encouragements on this list I have decided this morning to be the first man with a pacemaker in space! ... well, at least: back in a Kitfox. :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:03 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru installation Interesting about your airspeed indicator, Gary....I've always suspected mine to be a bit low. My groundspeed (GPS) seems to always show higher unless I am in a pretty good headwind. I'm going to look into getting mine calibrated. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs On Aug 3, 2008, at 4:21 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote: > > Hello Jim > > I had to do quite a bit of experimenting during the installation of > the cooling ducts with my Jab - biggest problem I ended up having > was the inlet area of my oil cooler was way to big and this was > pressuring up the lower cowl area. I reduced the inlet opening to > 4" x 1-1/2" and added some additional exit area below the cooler > and saw a significant temp drop. > > If you want a good contact for Kitfox / Jab installations you can > also contact Dave Jalanti as he is now a dealer for Jabiru in the > USA and is a wealth of knowledge on Kitfox installations - he's > also a really nice guy and has helped me a lot! His Company is > called jabiru power solutions: > > dave@jabirups.com > > By the way after Lynn's comment about my airspeed I checked my ASI > against a friend's plane today and it looks like I am reading about > 8 mph high - Damn! > > This brings my cruise back to 107mph - still great, but for a while > there I was getting really excited. > > I have a really fast ASI for sale if anybody's interested !!!!!! > > Regards > > Gary > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 Jab2200 > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the > message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for > any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may > arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. > > > "Jim Crowder" > Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > 03/08/2008 03:19 AM > Please respond to > kitfox-list@matronics.com > > To > > cc > Subject > RE: Kitfox-List: To Lynn . > > > Gary, > It sounds like you have it all together. Good for you. I am in > the process of installing a 3300 on my Kitfox S5. I am working on > a custom cowling and am doing some redesign after all of the > emphasis on getting proper pressure drop. I have been away from > home for two months and am about to get serious about the project > again. > > Jim Crowder > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox- > list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of gary.algate@sandvik.com > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:22 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: To Lynn . > > > Lynn > > Thanks for all your help with the wheel pants - hopefully I can > reciprocate one day. By the way I fitted a new Jab2200A to my > plane upon return to Oz - I ended up managing to get hold of the > solid lifter version as this appears to be the preferred unit at > the moment. > > Performance is way up and at the recommended cruise RPM of 2800 I > am seeing 115 Mph at 14 Ltr/Hr burn. > > Take off with me and full tanks sees 1100 Ft/Min which is pretty > unnerving until you get used to it. > > Best regards > > Gary > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 (New) 2200A > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the > message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for > any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may > arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http:// > www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// > forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > > - > - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:40 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE Jabiru installation Attaboy, Michel...can't keep a good man down! Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs do not archive On Aug 3, 2008, at 5:20 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote: >> biggest problem I ended up having was the >> inlet area of my oil cooler was way to big and this was pressuring >> up the >> lower cowl area. > > Gary is right, Jim. The key to a good Jabiru installation is to > make a good cooling chamber around the engine. One of the common > mistake is to make the oil cooler inlet too big as the aim is to > create a high pressure above the engine and a low pressure under. > Since I moulded my own cowling, I made the hole for the oil cooler > very small. Then, after a few trial flights, I made it larger. > Actually, the last adjustment was made in the hottest day of that > summer, just to keep the oil temperature where it should. > Another thing is to make a big 'lip' at the outlet under the > cowling. That creates a low pressure area that really sucks the air > out of the cowling. > > I tried the Skyfox cowling on my model 3 but I have a cowling / > glareshield / firewall / panel that is a perfect section of a > circle, where the Skyfox cowling is a flatter curve on the top. If > I was to use the Skyfox cowling, I would have to reshape all of the > above. I went then to modify and mould myself the fore end of my > old cowling. > > ... Incidentally, I am now back at home and ... after all your > encouragements on this list I have decided this morning to be the > first man with a pacemaker in space! ... well, at least: back in a > Kitfox. :-) > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > > 

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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE Jabiru installation From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Michel, After reading your post I know that we can all relax as you are without a doubt "on the mend!" Gary Gary Algate SMC, Exploration Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. Michel Verheughe Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 03/08/2008 07:04 PM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To cc Subject Kitfox-List: RE Jabiru installation > biggest problem I ended up having was the > inlet area of my oil cooler was way to big and this was pressuring up the > lower cowl area. Gary is right, Jim. The key to a good Jabiru installation is to make a good cooling chamber around the engine. One of the common mistake is to make the oil cooler inlet too big as the aim is to create a high pressure above the engine and a low pressure under. Since I moulded my own cowling, I made the hole for the oil cooler very small. Then, after a few trial flights, I made it larger. Actually, the last adjustment was made in the hottest day of that summer, just to keep the oil temperature where it should. Another thing is to make a big 'lip' at the outlet under the cowling. That creates a low pressure area that really sucks the air out of the cowling. I tried the Skyfox cowling on my model 3 but I have a cowling / glareshield / firewall / panel that is a perfect section of a circle, where the Skyfox cowling is a flatter curve on the top. If I was to use the Skyfox cowling, I would have to reshape all of the above. I went then to modify and mould myself the fore end of my old cowling. ... Incidentally, I am now back at home and ... after all your encouragements on this list I have decided this morning to be the first man with a pacemaker in space! ... well, at least: back in a Kitfox. :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 


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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:02 AM PST US From: steve shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE Jabiru installation Michel Verheughe wrote: >> biggest problem I ended up having was the >> inlet area of my oil cooler was way to big and this was pressuring up the >> lower cowl area. >> > > Gary is right, Jim. The key to a good Jabiru installation is to make a good cooling chamber around the engine. One of the common mistake is to make the oil cooler inlet too big as the aim is to create a high pressure above the engine and a low pressure under. > Since I moulded my own cowling, I made the hole for the oil cooler very small. Then, after a few trial flights, I made it larger. Actually, the last adjustment was made in the hottest day of that summer, just to keep the oil temperature where it should. > Another thing is to make a big 'lip' at the outlet under the cowling. That creates a low pressure area that really sucks the air out of the cowling. > > I tried the Skyfox cowling on my model 3 but I have a cowling / glareshield / firewall / panel that is a perfect section of a circle, where the Skyfox cowling is a flatter curve on the top. If I was to use the Skyfox cowling, I would have to reshape all of the above. I went then to modify and mould myself the fore end of my old cowling. > > ... Incidentally, I am now back at home and ... after all your encouragements on this list I have decided this morning to be the first man with a pacemaker in space! ... well, at least: back in a Kitfox. :-) > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > > 

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Thanks=2C Jim Chuk=2C Kitfox 4 building=2C Avid MK IV flying=2C MN gate@sandvik.comDate: Sun=2C 3 Aug 2008 18:42:30 +1030Jim You might also tr y Skyfox as they produce a copy of the Model 4 complete with a "Cessna" t ype cowl for the 912 engine. www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft _genericsearch=Skyfox%20CA-25&distinct_entry=trueRegards Gary Gary Alga teSMC=2C ExplorationOffice Phone: +61 8 8276 7655This e-mail is confidentia l and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review=2C dissemination =2C distribution=2C or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mai l in error=2C kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delet e the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for an y errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need=2C wherever you are. Start here .. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:48 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: 2008 EAA Airventure Aircraft Awards From: "dholly" The 2008 EAA Airventure Aircraft Awards from Oshkosh are in! SEAPLANE AWARDS Plaques - Outstanding Workmanship Kevin Cozik, 2007 Kitfox 7, N262SC Congratulations Kevin on one great looking seaplane! -------- Airdale Avid+ project | Jab2200 | Aerocet 1100 Amphibs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196280#196280 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:22 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: Kitfox-List: Just 2 of the pics I took in Oshkosh Just 2 of the pics I took in Oshkosh ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:41 PM PST US From: jerry evans Subject: Kitfox-List: ASI's at what speed do they start I just went out for my first test run today When does the airspeed indicator start indicating ? I have made several runs down the runway got the tail off the ground, all went well, but I have no airspeed on the ASI , when I blow on it, gently I get 30 - 50 -70 Indicated so I feel that it works. When does it start indicating? I just don't feel comfortable going for that first take off with out a ASI working. Anyone know about this or have suggestions? Thanks Jerry Jerry Evans 96% done 582 Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:38 PM PST US From: "Larry Huntley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ASI's at what speed do they start Right around 40,where you don't want to be if you want to stay on the ground. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: jerry evans To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: ASI's at what speed do they start I just went out for my first test run today When does the airspeed indicator start indicating ? I have made several runs down the runway got the tail off the ground, all went well, but I have no airspeed on the ASI , when I blow on it, gently I get 30 - 50 -70 Indicated so I feel that it works. When does it start indicating? I just don't feel comfortable going for that first take off with out a ASI working. Anyone know about this or have suggestions? Thanks Jerry Jerry Evans 96% done 582 Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8/3/2008 1:00 PM Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 00 PM ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:43 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: epoxys From: "jlfernan" I've got a new Supersport kit and included with the kit was two part Hysol. How much flox is used when the ratio of the Hysol is 1:1? -------- Jorge Fernandez Supersport Waiting on delivery Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196340#196340 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:51 PM PST US From: "Kevin Cozik" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2008 EAA Airventure Aircraft Awards Thanks, this is the first I've heard of it. Every Kitfox I saw at Oshkosh was worthy of this award. Kevin Cozik Kitfox 7 Rotax 914 Czech floats Lansing Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "dholly" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:48 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: 2008 EAA Airventure Aircraft Awards > > The 2008 EAA Airventure Aircraft Awards from Oshkosh are in! > > SEAPLANE AWARDS > > Plaques - Outstanding Workmanship > Kevin Cozik, 2007 Kitfox 7, N262SC > > Congratulations Kevin on one great looking seaplane! > > -------- > Airdale Avid+ project | Jab2200 | Aerocet 1100 Amphibs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196280#196280 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:57 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ASI's at what speed do they start Mine starts at 20mph, the lowest number on the scale. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/557+ hrs On Aug 3, 2008, at 8:57 PM, Larry Huntley wrote: > Right around 40,where you don't want to be if you want to stay on > the ground. Larry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jerry evans > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:29 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: ASI's at what speed do they start > > I just went out for my first test run today When does the airspeed > indicator start indicating ? I have made several runs down the > runway got the tail off the ground, all went well, but I have no > airspeed on the ASI , when I blow on it, gently I get 30 - 50 -70 > Indicated so I feel that it works. When does it start indicating? I > just don't feel comfortable going for that first take off with out > a ASI working. Anyone know about this or have suggestions? Thanks > Jerry > > Jerry Evans > 96% done 582 > Magalia Calif. > N582'er' > kitfox 555 > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http:// > www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// > forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/ > contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Checked by AVG - http:// > www.avg.com 8/3/2008 1:00 PM Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com_- > ============================================================ _- > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:42 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st Well, my resume' is getting more complete....I had to put the 'fox down into a freshly harvested wheat field today...engine problem. After getting the plane back on a trailer and bringing it home, the preliminary finding is no cam action on either the valves, or via the camshaft, the distributor shafts. So I'll need to pull the engine and get into the rear cover, under which lurks the cam/crank gear. I think the recent rear main seal seepage might have been a clue. You'd have to know the Jabiru engine to know why I think this is possible. Anybody think this incident will make me MORE willing to cross "the big water?" I was at about 1500' agl when it happened, and had plenty of time to look for a suitable field, found it and circled around CCW from a heading of 043 to a heading of 090 and landed with the grain with a very slight right-hand crosswind...wind was from 150. A guy was walking along the road and noticed a very quiet plane coming in over his head and called his son to come over with a "quadrunner" and we all went to his house. We left shortly for the airshow at Caro airport (my destination), where we met up with Deke, filled him in on the shenanigans, then went back to the scene and towed the plane out of the field, while Brian, my flight instructor brought my trailer up the 140+ miles to help me out. Got it all loaded up (remember a week or so ago when I said I didn't like towing my plane and the next time I did it, it would be because I needed to?.....well, guess what?) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:06 PM PST US From: Sbennett3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st Lynn, I'm glad Michigan is blessed with many fields as i'm sure you are als o :-) I guess this means you wont be meeting me at KLAF this weekend :-( Keep us informed of what the diagnosis is... I have 918 on the hobbs on my plane (different motor) but i'm sure the same may happen to me one day. St eve Bennett kf4/912 In a message dated 8/3/2008 10:13:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Well, my resume' is getting more complete....I had to put the 'fox down into a freshly harvested wheat field today...engine problem. After getting the plane back on a trailer and bringing it home, the preliminary finding is no cam action on either the valves, or via the camshaft, the distributor shafts. So I'll need to pull the engine and get into the rear cover, under which lurks the cam/crank gear. I think the recent rear main seal seepage might have been a clue. You'd have to know the Jabiru engine to know why I think this is possible. Anybody think this incident will make me MORE willing to cross "the big water?" I was at about 1500' agl when it happened, and had plenty of time to look for a suitable field, found it and circled around CCW from a heading of 043=B0 to a heading of 090=B0 and landed with the grain with a very slight right-hand crosswind...wind was from 150=B0. A guy was walking along the road and noticed a very quiet plane coming in over his head and called his son to come over with a "quadrunner" and we all went to his house. We left shortly for the airshow at Caro airport (my destination), where we met up with Deke, filled him in on the shenanigans, then went back to the scene and towed the plane out of the field, while Brian, my flight instructor brought my trailer up the 140+ miles to help me out. Got it all loaded up (remember a week or so ago when I said I didn't like towing my plane and the next time I did it, it would be because I needed to?.....well, guess what?) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000500000 00017 ) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:42 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: epoxys Jorge, When I built, in the old days of the 3M structural adhesive, the flox was added to the point where the adhesive would no longer sag after placement.. This adhesive was used in assembling the wing ribs to wing spars as well as in other non structural applications. If there are other instructions unique to Hysol, others will respond. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "jlfernan" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: epoxys > > I've got a new Supersport kit and included with the kit was two part > Hysol. How much flox is used when the ratio of the Hysol is 1:1? > > -------- > Jorge Fernandez > Supersport > Waiting on delivery > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196340#196340 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:33 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ASI's at what speed do they start There was an article in Kitplanes (I think) a couple of years ago on how to test an ASI with a water column. A certain number of inches of water prea sure should cause the ASI to read a certain amount. When I check my ASI=2C I hook a long 1/4" plastic line to the pitot tube and pinch off and then f old the tube up. That will presureize the ASI gently and the speed goes up about 10 or 20 MPH with each fold. The long line lets me watch the ASI as I'm doing it. I don't like the idea of no ASI on takeoff either. Jim Chu k=2C Kitfox 4 building=2C Avid MK IV flying=2C Mn Kitfox-List: ASI's at what speed do they startTo: kitfox-list@matronics.co mI just went out for my first test run today When does the airspeed indicat or start indicating ? I have made several runs down the runway got the tail off the ground=2C all went well=2C but I have no airspeed on the ASI =2C w hen I blow on it=2C gently I get 30 - 50 -70 Indicated so I feel that it wo rks. When does it start indicating? I just don't feel comfortable going for that first take off with out a ASI working. Anyone know about this or hav e suggestions? Thanks Jerry Jerry Evans 96% done 582 Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need=2C wherever you are. Start here .. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:33 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st Yeah, the fields were plentiful today, and thanks to a nice glide ratio, I got to pick a nice short-cropped yellow one from all the tall green ones. Unless a miracle happens, I'm on the disabled list for this weekend, Steve...bummer. It's funny that I noticed a slight seepage from the rear main seal while at Oshkosh, and about 8 hrs later this happens. I'll pull the engine tomorrow, so I should know very soon what let go. The main seal leaking was surely a clue, because the surface that the rear seal rides on is the crankshaft gear, not the crankshaft itself in a Jabiru, strange as that sounds. It could be minimal, but I figure at least some bent valves when they stopped and the pistons kept moving. There's gotta be some metal throughout the engine, as the prop continued to turn until slow on final. I was surprised at how quickly I got through the "this can't be happening" phase, and into the "where the hell's that landing field" phase. I was just 7 minutes from Caro's field and knew I couldn't make that, so that's when a quick scan of available airports/strips on the GPS took place, and all were too far away. This field was made to order. I got it turned to downwind, tried to start it...dumb move with the prop still turning....then shut off the fuel, the ignition, the master, and made a pretty damn good landing, if I do say so myself. I couldn't have got that tail down any further unless I got out and dug a trench....no practicing wheel landings under those circumstances, for sure. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs On Aug 3, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Sbennett3@aol.com wrote: > Lynn, I'm glad Michigan is blessed with many fields as i'm sure > you are also :-) I guess this means you wont be meeting me at > KLAF this weekend :-( Keep us informed of what the diagnosis > is... I have 918 on the hobbs on my plane (different motor) but i'm > sure the same may happen to me one day. Steve Bennett kf4/912 > > In a message dated 8/3/2008 10:13:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > lynnmatt@jps.net writes: > > Well, my resume' is getting more complete....I had to put the 'fox > down into a freshly harvested wheat field today...engine problem. > After getting the plane back on a trailer and bringing it home, the > preliminary finding is no cam action on either the valves, or via the > camshaft, the distributor shafts. So I'll need to pull the engine and > get into the rear cover, under which lurks the cam/crank gear. I > think the recent rear main seal seepage might have been a clue. You'd > have to know the Jabiru engine to know why I think this is possible. > > Anybody think this incident will make me MORE willing to cross "the > big water?" > > I was at about 1500' agl when it happened, and had plenty of time to > look for a suitable field, found it and circled around CCW from a > heading of 043 to a heading of 090 and landed with the grain with a > very slight right-hand crosswind...wind was from 150. A guy was > walking along the road and noticed a very quiet plane coming in over > his head and called his son to come over with a "quadrunner" and we > all went to his house. We left shortly for the airshow at Caro > airport (my destination), where we met up with Deke, filled him in on > the shenanigans, then went back to the scene and towed the plane out > of the field, while Brian, my flight instructor brought my trailer up > the 140+ miles to help me out. Got it all loaded up (remember a week > or so ago when I said I didn't like towing my plane and the next time > I did it, it would be because I needed to?.....well, guess what?) > > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster > Jabiru 2200 > Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 he es y -- > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List > Contribution Web Site ; > ======================== > > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read > reviews on AOL Autos. > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:08 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st Hi Lynn=2C I'm glad things ended well for you with the engine out. It doe s come as a suprise when it happens all right. I had to make a hayfield la nding once with my MK IV when it still had the 582. Fuel filter was pluggi ng and just after takeoff=2C when the header tank ran down=2C engine spit a nd sputtered and would only hold about 4500 RPM. I didn't know then what w as wrong=2C so I put it down in a neighbors field. It wasn't the engine's fault=2C but I did eventually switch over to a Jabiru for better reliabilit y..???? It hasn't let me down yet=2C but I've only put 100 hrs on it so fa r. Hope you are back in the air soon and the bill isn't to great. Jim Chu k=2C Kitfox 4 building=2C Avid MK IV flying=2C MN> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st> Date : Sun=2C 3 Aug 2008 23:12:32 -0400> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Ki tfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > Yeah=2C th e fields were plentiful today=2C and thanks to a nice glide > ratio=2C I go t to pick a nice short-cropped yellow one from all the > tall green ones. U nless a miracle happens=2C I'm on the disabled list > for this weekend=2C S teve...bummer.> > It's funny that I noticed a slight seepage from the rear main seal > while at Oshkosh=2C and about 8 hrs later this happens. I'll pu ll the > engine tomorrow=2C so I should know very soon what let go. The mai n > seal leaking was surely a clue=2C because the surface that the rear > s eal rides on is the crankshaft gear=2C not the crankshaft itself in a > Jab iru=2C strange as that sounds. It could be minimal=2C but I figure at > lea st some bent valves when they stopped and the pistons kept moving. > There' s gotta be some metal throughout the engine=2C as the prop > continued to t urn until slow on final.> > I was surprised at how quickly I got through th e "this can't be > happening" phase=2C and into the "where the hell's that landing field" > phase. I was just 7 minutes from Caro's field and knew I c ouldn't > make that=2C so that's when a quick scan of available airports/st rips > on the GPS took place=2C and all were too far away. This field was m ade > to order. I got it turned to downwind=2C tried to start it...dumb mov e > with the prop still turning....then shut off the fuel=2C the ignition =2C > the master=2C and made a pretty damn good landing=2C if I do say so > myself. I couldn't have got that tail down any further unless I got > out and dug a trench....no practicing wheel landings under those > circumstance s=2C for sure.> > Lynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster> Jabiru 2200> Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs> > > > > On Aug 3=2C 2008=2C at 10:31 PM=2C Sbennett3@aol.com wrote:> > > Lynn=2C I'm glad Michigan is bles sed with many fields as i'm sure > > you are also :-) I guess this means yo u wont be meeting me at > > KLAF this weekend :-( Keep us informed of what the diagnosis > > is... I have 918 on the hobbs on my plane (different moto r) but i'm > > sure the same may happen to me one day. Steve Bennett kf4/91 2> >> > In a message dated 8/3/2008 10:13:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C teson > >> > Well=2C my resume' is getting more complete. ...I had to put the 'fox> > down into a freshly harvested wheat field today ...engine problem.> > After getting the plane back on a trailer and bringin g it home=2C the> > preliminary finding is no cam action on either the valv es=2C or via the> > camshaft=2C the distributor shafts. So I'll need to pul l the engine and> > get into the rear cover=2C under which lurks the cam/cr ank gear. I> > think the recent rear main seal seepage might have been a cl ue. You'd> > have to know the Jabiru engine to know why I think this is pos sible.> >> > Anybody think this incident will make me MORE willing to cross "the> > big water?"> >> > I was at about 1500' agl when it happened=2C and had plenty of time to> > look for a suitable field=2C found it and circled around CCW from a> > heading of 043=B0 to a heading of 090=B0 and landed w ith the grain with a> > very slight right-hand crosswind...wind was from 15 0=B0. A guy was> > walking along the road and noticed a very quiet plane co ming in over> > his head and called his son to come over with a "quadrunner " and we> > all went to his house. We left shortly for the airshow at Caro> > airport (my destination)=2C where we met up with Deke=2C filled him in o n> > the shenanigans=2C then went back to the scene and towed the plane out > > of the field=2C while Brian=2C my flight instructor brought my trailer up> > the 140+ miles to help me out. Got it all loaded up (remember a week> > or so ago when I said I didn't like towing my plane and the next time> > I did it=2C it would be because I needed to?.....well=2C guess what?)> >> >> > Lynn Matteson> > Kitfox IV Speedster> > Jabiru 2200> > Status: flying. ..oops...holding short at 561.8 he es y -- > > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbs p=3B - List > > Contribution Web Site =3B > > ========= ================> >> >> >> >> >> > Looking for a car that's sporty=2C fun and fits in your budget? Read > > reviews on AOL Autos.> > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > > www.matronics .com/contribution _- > > ================ ==> > > _________________________________________________________________ Your PC=2C mobile phone=2C and online services work together like never bef ore. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:08 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st Hi Lynn=2C I'm glad things ended well for you with the engine out. It doe s come as a suprise when it happens all right. I had to make a hayfield la nding once with my MK IV when it still had the 582. Fuel filter was pluggi ng and just after takeoff=2C when the header tank ran down=2C engine spit a nd sputtered and would only hold about 4500 RPM. I didn't know then what w as wrong=2C so I put it down in a neighbors field. It wasn't the engine's fault=2C but I did eventually switch over to a Jabiru for better reliabilit y..???? It hasn't let me down yet=2C but I've only put 100 hrs on it so fa r. Hope you are back in the air soon and the bill isn't to great. Jim Chu k=2C Kitfox 4 building=2C Avid MK IV flying=2C MN> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st> Date : Sun=2C 3 Aug 2008 23:12:32 -0400> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Ki tfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > Yeah=2C th e fields were plentiful today=2C and thanks to a nice glide > ratio=2C I go t to pick a nice short-cropped yellow one from all the > tall green ones. U nless a miracle happens=2C I'm on the disabled list > for this weekend=2C S teve...bummer.> > It's funny that I noticed a slight seepage from the rear main seal > while at Oshkosh=2C and about 8 hrs later this happens. I'll pu ll the > engine tomorrow=2C so I should know very soon what let go. The mai n > seal leaking was surely a clue=2C because the surface that the rear > s eal rides on is the crankshaft gear=2C not the crankshaft itself in a > Jab iru=2C strange as that sounds. It could be minimal=2C but I figure at > lea st some bent valves when they stopped and the pistons kept moving. > There' s gotta be some metal throughout the engine=2C as the prop > continued to t urn until slow on final.> > I was surprised at how quickly I got through th e "this can't be > happening" phase=2C and into the "where the hell's that landing field" > phase. I was just 7 minutes from Caro's field and knew I c ouldn't > make that=2C so that's when a quick scan of available airports/st rips > on the GPS took place=2C and all were too far away. This field was m ade > to order. I got it turned to downwind=2C tried to start it...dumb mov e > with the prop still turning....then shut off the fuel=2C the ignition =2C > the master=2C and made a pretty damn good landing=2C if I do say so > myself. I couldn't have got that tail down any further unless I got > out and dug a trench....no practicing wheel landings under those > circumstance s=2C for sure.> > Lynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster> Jabiru 2200> Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs> > > > > On Aug 3=2C 2008=2C at 10:31 PM=2C Sbennett3@aol.com wrote:> > > Lynn=2C I'm glad Michigan is bles sed with many fields as i'm sure > > you are also :-) I guess this means yo u wont be meeting me at > > KLAF this weekend :-( Keep us informed of what the diagnosis > > is... I have 918 on the hobbs on my plane (different moto r) but i'm > > sure the same may happen to me one day. Steve Bennett kf4/91 2> >> > In a message dated 8/3/2008 10:13:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C teson > >> > Well=2C my resume' is getting more complete. ...I had to put the 'fox> > down into a freshly harvested wheat field today ...engine problem.> > After getting the plane back on a trailer and bringin g it home=2C the> > preliminary finding is no cam action on either the valv es=2C or via the> > camshaft=2C the distributor shafts. So I'll need to pul l the engine and> > get into the rear cover=2C under which lurks the cam/cr ank gear. I> > think the recent rear main seal seepage might have been a cl ue. You'd> > have to know the Jabiru engine to know why I think this is pos sible.> >> > Anybody think this incident will make me MORE willing to cross "the> > big water?"> >> > I was at about 1500' agl when it happened=2C and had plenty of time to> > look for a suitable field=2C found it and circled around CCW from a> > heading of 043=B0 to a heading of 090=B0 and landed w ith the grain with a> > very slight right-hand crosswind...wind was from 15 0=B0. A guy was> > walking along the road and noticed a very quiet plane co ming in over> > his head and called his son to come over with a "quadrunner " and we> > all went to his house. We left shortly for the airshow at Caro> > airport (my destination)=2C where we met up with Deke=2C filled him in o n> > the shenanigans=2C then went back to the scene and towed the plane out > > of the field=2C while Brian=2C my flight instructor brought my trailer up> > the 140+ miles to help me out. Got it all loaded up (remember a week> > or so ago when I said I didn't like towing my plane and the next time> > I did it=2C it would be because I needed to?.....well=2C guess what?)> >> >> > Lynn Matteson> > Kitfox IV Speedster> > Jabiru 2200> > Status: flying. ..oops...holding short at 561.8 he es y -- > > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbs p=3B - List > > Contribution Web Site =3B > > ========= ================> >> >> >> >> >> > Looking for a car that's sporty=2C fun and fits in your budget? Read > > reviews on AOL Autos.> > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > > www.matronics .com/contribution _- > > ================ ==> > > _________________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ASI's at what speed do they start From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Mine starts at 20 also which is normally well before the tail comes up Regards Gary Gary Algate SMC, Exploration Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. jerry evans Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 04/08/2008 08:42 AM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com cc Subject Kitfox-List: ASI's at what speed do they start I just went out for my first test run today When does the airspeed indicator start indicating ? I have made several runs down the runway got the tail off the ground, all went well, but I have no airspeed on the ASI , when I blow on it, gently I get 30 - 50 -70 Indicated so I feel that it works. When does it start indicating? I just don't feel comfortable going for that first take off with out a ASI working. Anyone know about this or have suggestions? Thanks Jerry Jerry Evans 96% done 582 Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Glad you and the plane are OK - I seem to recall at some stage Jab went to wider cam and valve train gears - don't know if this might be a contributing factor? Regards Gary Gary Algate SMC, Exploration Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:05 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ASI's at what speed do they start I just googled testing an airspeed indicator and the second site listed describes how to test the ASI like the kitplanes article did. Jim Chuk From: thesupe@hotmail.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L ist: ASI's at what speed do they startDate: Mon=2C 4 Aug 2008 02:48:03 +000 0 There was an article in Kitplanes (I think) a couple of years ago on how to test an ASI with a water column. A certain number of inches of water prea sure should cause the ASI to read a certain amount. When I check my ASI=2C I hook a long 1/4" plastic line to the pitot tube and pinch off and then f old the tube up. That will presureize the ASI gently and the speed goes up about 10 or 20 MPH with each fold. The long line lets me watch the ASI as I'm doing it. I don't like the idea of no ASI on takeoff either. Jim Chu k=2C Kitfox 4 building=2C Avid MK IV flying=2C Mn Kitfox-List: ASI's at what speed do they startTo: kitfox-list@matronics.co mI just went out for my first test run today When does the airspeed indicat or start indicating ? I have made several runs down the runway got the tail off the ground=2C all went well=2C but I have no airspeed on the ASI =2C w hen I blow on it=2C gently I get 30 - 50 -70 Indicated so I feel that it wo rks. When does it start indicating? I just don't feel comfortable going for that first take off with out a ASI working. Anyone know about this or hav e suggestions? Thanks Jerry Jerry Evans 96% done 582 Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Get Windows Live and get whatever you need=2C wherever you are. Start here. _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAG LM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:21 PM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: epoxys Back when we were using the West epoxy system the stuff came with detailed instructions which said add the flox or other filler until you arrive at the consistency of peanut butter and could spread it on with a pop stick. Thicker is better for vertical surfaces to keep the epoxy from flowing. Chopped Fiberglas or strands of Fiberglas are used for stronger final product. Glass beads and ground up powder are also used just to make the stuff thick like flox. I bet you could get on line and get Hysols detailed instructions for their product. Paul =============== >> >>I've got a new Supersport kit and included with the kit was two >>part Hysol. How much flox is used when the ratio of the Hysol is 1:1? >> >>-------- >>Jorge Fernandez >>Supersport >>Waiting on delivery ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:42 PM PST US From: "Jim Crowder" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st Good job Lynn. Successes like yours are encouraging. Better if it hadn't happened though. Everyone will anxiously await your reports. Jim Crowder > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lynn > Matteson > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 9:13 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st > > > > Yeah, the fields were plentiful today, and thanks to a nice glide > ratio, I got to pick a nice short-cropped yellow one from all the > tall green ones. Unless a miracle happens, I'm on the disabled list > for this weekend, Steve...bummer. > > It's funny that I noticed a slight seepage from the rear main seal > while at Oshkosh, and about 8 hrs later this happens. I'll pull the > engine tomorrow, so I should know very soon what let go. The main > seal leaking was surely a clue, because the surface that the rear > seal rides on is the crankshaft gear, not the crankshaft itself in a > Jabiru, strange as that sounds. It could be minimal, but I figure at > least some bent valves when they stopped and the pistons kept moving. > There's gotta be some metal throughout the engine, as the prop > continued to turn until slow on final. > > I was surprised at how quickly I got through the "this can't be > happening" phase, and into the "where the hell's that landing field" > phase. I was just 7 minutes from Caro's field and knew I couldn't > make that, so that's when a quick scan of available airports/strips > on the GPS took place, and all were too far away. This field was made > to order. I got it turned to downwind, tried to start it...dumb move > with the prop still turning....then shut off the fuel, the ignition, > the master, and made a pretty damn good landing, if I do say so > myself. I couldn't have got that tail down any further unless I got > out and dug a trench....no practicing wheel landings under those > circumstances, for sure. > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster > Jabiru 2200 > Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs > > > On Aug 3, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Sbennett3@aol.com wrote: > > > Lynn, I'm glad Michigan is blessed with many fields as i'm sure > > you are also :-) I guess this means you wont be meeting me at > > KLAF this weekend :-( Keep us informed of what the diagnosis > > is... I have 918 on the hobbs on my plane (different motor) but i'm > > sure the same may happen to me one day. Steve Bennett kf4/912 > > > > In a message dated 8/3/2008 10:13:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > lynnmatt@jps.net writes: > > > > Well, my resume' is getting more complete....I had to put the 'fox > > down into a freshly harvested wheat field today...engine problem. > > After getting the plane back on a trailer and bringing it home, the > > preliminary finding is no cam action on either the valves, or via the > > camshaft, the distributor shafts. So I'll need to pull the engine and > > get into the rear cover, under which lurks the cam/crank gear. I > > think the recent rear main seal seepage might have been a clue. You'd > > have to know the Jabiru engine to know why I think this is possible. > > > > Anybody think this incident will make me MORE willing to cross "the > > big water?" > > > > I was at about 1500' agl when it happened, and had plenty of time to > > look for a suitable field, found it and circled around CCW from a > > heading of 043 to a heading of 090 and landed with the grain with a > > very slight right-hand crosswind...wind was from 150. A guy was > > walking along the road and noticed a very quiet plane coming in over > > his head and called his son to come over with a "quadrunner" and we > > all went to his house. We left shortly for the airshow at Caro > > airport (my destination), where we met up with Deke, filled him in on > > the shenanigans, then went back to the scene and towed the plane out > > of the field, while Brian, my flight instructor brought my trailer up > > the 140+ miles to help me out. Got it all loaded up (remember a week > > or so ago when I said I didn't like towing my plane and the next time > > I did it, it would be because I needed to?.....well, guess what?) > > > > > > Lynn Matteson > > Kitfox IV Speedster > > Jabiru 2200 > > Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 he es y -- > > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List > > Contribution Web Site ; > > ======================== > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? 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