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1. 02:08 AM - Lynn (steve shinabery)
2. 05:35 AM - Jabiru engine out (Dee Young)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Catz631@aol.com)
4. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: epoxys (Noel Loveys)
5. 06:05 AM - Re: Landing and engine pictures (Noel Loveys)
6. 06:06 AM - Re: Jabiru engine out (n85ae)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: Landing and engine pictures (Lynn Matteson)
8. 06:18 AM - Re: Landing and engine pictures (Patrick Best)
9. 06:19 AM - Re: Landing and engine pictures (Lynn Matteson)
10. 06:23 AM - Re: Lynn (Lynn Matteson)
11. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Wanted: Kitfox IV - 1200 (Aluminum Flyer)
12. 06:53 AM - Re: Landing and engine pictures (Lynn Matteson)
13. 07:04 AM - Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (FlyboyTR)
14. 07:15 AM - Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Lynn Matteson)
15. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Lynn Matteson)
16. 08:34 AM - Re: ASI's at what speed do they startASI's at what speed do they start (Perkins, Mike)
17. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Lowell Fitt)
18. 09:57 AM - Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (FlyboyTR)
19. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Lynn Matteson)
20. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (Lynn Matteson)
21. 03:45 PM - Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st (FlyboyTR)
22. 04:23 PM - Firewall sealant (Dan Billingsley)
23. 04:59 PM - Re: Firewall sealant (N81JG@aol.com)
24. 05:17 PM - Re: Firewall sealant (Lynn Matteson)
25. 05:35 PM - Re: Firewall sealant (Dan Billingsley)
26. 05:38 PM - Re: Firewall sealant (Guy Buchanan)
27. 06:27 PM - Re: Firewall sealant (Tom Jones)
28. 07:14 PM - Re: Wanted: Kitfox IV - 1200 (dave)
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Great Picture Lynn,,,but not a good way to get it..U picked a good
landing spot....STEVE SHINABERY N554KF
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| Subject: | Jabiru engine out |
I agree and would like ask how many Lycoming and Continental along with
others have failed over the years? Many I am sure.
Do not ardhive
----- Original Message -----
From: gary.algate@sandvik.com<mailto:gary.algate@sandvik.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st
Guys I think we need to keep this in perspective - Now that I've
returned to Australia I've learned that there are hundreds of these
engines being used in most Recreational training aircrafts in Australia
and they are also rapidly gaining respect throughout Europe and
N.America.
I am not saying this because I have a Jab also, as have flown behind
912's and 582's and also respect them highly.
Unfortunately anything mechanical can fail but it will be very
interesting to see what Lynn finds when he takes a look "inside".
I don't believe that there have been many reported Jab2200A failures
Best regards,
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st |
Jose, You can have a failure of any engine at any time. I had a failure on a
R 1820 (master rod broke) attached to a T-28 and dead sticked it in from 3000'
( It is now "on a stick" at a local town on display) and had a Lyc 180 fail
cold turkey on a Pitts going straight up at 200 feet AGL.It did not fare as
well as I ended up in a field upside down with the the tank spilling fuel all
over me and unable to get out of the aircraft. Thank GOD it didn't burn !!!
I have a Rotax 912UL on my Kitfox and I am working on it all the time. In
fact I am thinking about replacing the Dzus fasteners with Velcro so I can get
the cowling off quicker. Lately I have had to replace the "p" leads because of
bad mag checks and one of them grounding. I put in new leads,tested them and
the engine ran great .Next time the engine dies on the right mag. I am next
going to replace the start switch (the modules are ok as the problem goes with
the wires when I switch them) then it's the deiseling,then carbs and on and
on. Then my battery relay started chattering so I will replace that. My engine
only has 175 hrs. I went to Lockwoods school so I have a little knowledge of
the engine (not a great one mind you)and feel comfortable working on it.
I like the way this engine runs as it is very smooth but,for how long? I
have 20 hours on the engine since I bought the aircraft and don't trust it to
fly to my cabin in the mountains of NC-yet. Would a Jabiru be any better? Good
question. How about a Cont or Lyc. Too heavy and they can break too(much
simpler though and easy to work on)
Bottom line,I guess is to expect a possible failure of any engine at any
time and have a field in sight as Lynn did. Superb job Lynn ! Glad you were not
over the lake!
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Rotax 912UL
Pensacola,Fl
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I have used silicon powder as a filler on my boat. It is not nearly as
strong as flox but a lot smoother and harder than microballoons. It's also
a lot heavier than either.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: epoxys
In models, we used the glass beads (Microballoons) to allow the epoxy
to be sanded more readily. The milled fiberglass (chopped fiberglass)
really adds strength.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
On Aug 4, 2008, at 8:00 AM, bob noffs wrote:
>
> as i understand it glass beads are not just like flox. beads are
> used to stiffen the mix , say to use as filler, but they weaken the
> mix and should not be used in a structural application. bob noffs
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul wilson" <pwmac@sisna.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: epoxys
>
>
>>
>> Back when we were using the West epoxy system the stuff came with
>> detailed instructions which said add the flox or other filler
>> until you arrive at the consistency of peanut butter and could
>> spread it on with a pop stick. Thicker is better for vertical
>> surfaces to keep the epoxy from flowing. Chopped Fiberglas or
>> strands of Fiberglas are used for stronger final product. Glass
>> beads and ground up powder are also used just to make the stuff
>> thick like flox.
>>
>> I bet you could get on line and get Hysols detailed instructions
>> for their product.
>> Paul
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| Subject: | Landing and engine pictures |
Yup... That would just about stop the engine... I wouldn't have thought
there would be enough load there to do that! Do you think there may have
been a defect in the gear?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing and engine pictures
Here's a couple of shots of this weekend's fun and relaxation in the
aviation hobby. : )
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru engine out |
Test flight number 4 my brand new IO-240B engine driven pump
failed and I had to glide in to land with a dead engine. The Skystar
provided primer pump provided insufficient pressure for backup.
Continental replaced the pump free and paid for a mechanic to install
it even though I was a year out of warranty. No trouble since.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Landing and engine pictures |
Guy-
The little flat gear is the drive gear for the distributors. There
are two more similar gears, one on each end of the dist shafts. Since
very little driving force is required for the dist shafts to turn, a
thin gear is all that is required. Explanation aside, they ARE very
wimpy-looking though, eh?The strange thing about this crank gear is
that it is hat-shaped, and sits over the end of the crankshaft,
positioned by the dowels, and held in place when the flywheel is
bolted on top of it...top as seen in the picture. The scored line
about 1/4" down from the face of that gear is the line made from the
rear oil seal riding on it....that's right, the seal rides on this
gear, not on the crankshaft itself. The engine is a marvel of
compactness and design, but that's not to say that it's without its
flaws, and it seems like I'm the poster child for finding some.
In hindsight, when I noticed some oil seepage at the rear seal area,
I should have looked further. But oil seepage doesn't immediately
tell me (DID'NT tell me, but it WILL now!) to pull the engine and
have a better look. Maybe being a gearhead for years and years
doesn't translate directly over to aviation.
I took a better look at the crank timing gear, and there are signs
that it was cracked for some time...how long I couldn't say, but it
just didn't happen all in one shot.
I'm building an engine stand this morning, and will get the rest of
the engine dismantled later today.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> At 05:38 PM 8/4/2008, you wrote:
>> Here's a couple of shots of this weekend's fun and relaxation in the
>> aviation hobby. : )
>
> I'm sorry to say that, from an engineering perspective, that's a
> very sorry looking gear. I'm also wondering what the heck the
> little flat gear is for. I sure hope they redesigned this area at
> some point. (The picture in the field looks great, however!)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Landing and engine pictures |
Hi Lynn;
I can't beleive those pictures.. So glad that you're ok. Thanks for sharing your
experience.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: August 4, 2008 8:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing and engine pictures
Here's a couple of shots of this weekend's fun and relaxation in the aviation hobby.
: )
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| Subject: | Re: Landing and engine pictures |
Thanks, Gary....hmmmmm, 20 more horses? I wonder of the Jab can take
it? I'd sure appreciate any info I can get regarding the breakage.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
do not archive
On Aug 4, 2008, at 11:34 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Lynn
>
> I am going to run these photos past the local Jab technician here
> in Adelaide as he is a wealth of info on the Jab engines and is in
> fact in charge of mtce training here in Aus.
>
> I'll let you know what he says.
>
> (He has converted his 2200 to Fuel injection and develops about
> another 20Hp!
>
> regards
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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Thanks, Steve. I never saw a better field for an emergency
landing...hell, I've landed on some grass airstrips that weren't as
smooth as that one was. Or maybe it was smooth compared to being
caught by vegetation and riding on the "roof."
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
do not archive
On Aug 5, 2008, at 5:06 AM, steve shinabery wrote:
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> Great Picture Lynn,,,but not a good way to get it..U picked a good
> landing spot....STEVE SHINABERY N554KF
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Kitfox IV - 1200 |
Looking at a Rotac 912/914 powered bird.
If you know of any that would be great.
What requirements do they have to meet for import? I wasn't aware of any.
Thanks!
Enea
On 8/2/08, dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
>
> Enea,
>
> I see your phone number is in Manitoba. I am in Ontario.
> What engien are you looking for ?
>
> I know of several in Canada that are for sale right now. If you want a US plane
-- it is fairly simple to import them if they meet a few criteria.
>
> Kitfox IV a great choice and you can buy them used for 12 to 25k $
> depending on engine.
>
> I would not pass up a 1050 model IV . Check out my videos IV are a cool plane.
>
>
> Dave
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196154#196154
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| Subject: | Re: Landing and engine pictures |
I'm pretty sure there was....the crack shows signs of age, just not
an immediate fracture, the way I see it.
Jabiru might want to take a look at it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
On Aug 5, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Yup... That would just about stop the engine... I wouldn't have
> thought
> there would be enough load there to do that! Do you think there
> may have
> been a defect in the gear?
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:09 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing and engine pictures
>
> Here's a couple of shots of this weekend's fun and relaxation in the
> aviation hobby. : )
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st |
Lynn..........welcome to the club! [Shocked]
Glad you made it down safely and neither you are the plane were injured.
If you fly long enough...it's not a matter of if...it's a matter of when! ...Sort
of like being in church... Have you prepared...are you ready? That instant
silence is one of the loudest sounds you will ever hear!
Take Care!
Travis :D
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st |
Lake? What lake....I don't see any steenking lakes! And now I won't
get within 40 miles of a lake. : )
Ok, enough chatter, I'm off to get some parts, tools, materials and
get to work tearing it down further.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
do not archive
On Aug 5, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> Superb job Lynn ! Glad you were not over the lake!
>
> Dick Maddux
> Fox 4-1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Pensacola,Fl
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st |
Except this wasn't silent...the prop kept turning, and in hindsight,
the pistons kept right on banging into the valves that were left
open...two of them from what I've seen so far....and was making a
soft clattering sound until it stopped turning when I slowed down
enough for final. When I turned to engine over on the ground, I could
feel a slight resistance, then it would pass through that feeling and
be free again. I figured that it was the piston coming up against an
open valve, and further turning wasn't hurting it any, because the
prop freewheeled for the 2-3 minutes that I had before touchdown...at
least it seemed that long. There is (on the only piston I've seen so
far) a very slight impacted area...maybe 1/16" deep and not very
long, where the valve made a mark in the piston. If this were an auto
engine, I'd hit that area with a Dremel tool to smooth it out, then
do the very same thing on all the other pistons so that future
incidents would not do the same thing. What I mean to say is that you
create a pocket for the valve to clear, so that contact is not made
if the same thing were to happen again.
Racing pistons have "eyebrows" cut into the pistons to avoid any
valve contact, as many as four of these eyebrows are cut into pistons
so the pistons can be used on either side of the engine. Just for
somebody's info, we used to take a valve and grind it into the shape
of a metal-cutter, and use that to make our own eyebrows in the
pistons, when building up a race engine with a high-lift, or long-
duration, cam.
I don't know how prepared I am, but I've got my "God is my Co-Pilot"
sticker on the cabin tubing over my head...does that count? : ) (I
really should clean my house though, I'd hate to leave a bad
impression....guess that job will fall to my kids, though) : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
do not archive
On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:01 AM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> Lynn..........welcome to the club! [Shocked]
>
> Glad you made it down safely and neither you are the plane were
> injured.
>
> If you fly long enough...it's not a matter of if...it's a matter of
> when! ...Sort of like being in church... Have you prepared...are
> you ready? That instant silence is one of the loudest sounds you
> will ever hear!
>
> Take Care!
>
> Travis :D
>
> --------
> Travis Rayner
> Mobile, AL
> Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
> Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
> ADI-II Autopilot
> AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196609#196609
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ASI's at what speed do they startASI's at what speed |
do they start
Hi Everyone,
My Model I was shipped with an ASI with the Denny Aircraft logo on it.
After finding it to be wildly optimistic on both the high and low ends,
I finally realized it must have been calibrated in Dennys Per Hour
(DPH). A few years back, I replaced it with a helicopter ASI from
Aircraft Spruce - it's honest from 10 to 100. (Yes, 10 mph. . . . it
reads the wind when parked.)
Mike Perkins
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st |
Lynn,
You made me laugh a bit with this one. Please do clean your house. This is
no reflection on your housekeeping, but a tip from me to all who fly, or go
out or just live life.
After our, much harder, emergency landing, friends came over to help out a
bit and "cleaned" our house for us. This was while we were in the hospital.
Well, I guess our kind helpers didn't like where we put things, because
everything was put away in places that took weeks to discover. We found
books that were stacked on a counter slated to be given to the library on
top of the the towels in the hall closet. Make no mistake, we cherish the
memory of all who did so much to help, but it brings a smile to our face
when we remember coming home and not being able to find anything - meaning
those things we used the most and were placed where they were most handy.
Lowell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st
>
> Except this wasn't silent...the prop kept turning, and in hindsight, the
> pistons kept right on banging into the valves that were left open...two
> of them from what I've seen so far....and was making a soft clattering
> sound until it stopped turning when I slowed down enough for final. When
> I turned to engine over on the ground, I could feel a slight resistance,
> then it would pass through that feeling and be free again. I figured that
> it was the piston coming up against an open valve, and further turning
> wasn't hurting it any, because the prop freewheeled for the 2-3 minutes
> that I had before touchdown...at least it seemed that long. There is (on
> the only piston I've seen so far) a very slight impacted area...maybe
> 1/16" deep and not very long, where the valve made a mark in the piston.
> If this were an auto engine, I'd hit that area with a Dremel tool to
> smooth it out, then do the very same thing on all the other pistons so
> that future incidents would not do the same thing. What I mean to say is
> that you create a pocket for the valve to clear, so that contact is not
> made if the same thing were to happen again.
> Racing pistons have "eyebrows" cut into the pistons to avoid any valve
> contact, as many as four of these eyebrows are cut into pistons so the
> pistons can be used on either side of the engine. Just for somebody's
> info, we used to take a valve and grind it into the shape of a
> metal-cutter, and use that to make our own eyebrows in the pistons, when
> building up a race engine with a high-lift, or long- duration, cam.
>
> I don't know how prepared I am, but I've got my "God is my Co-Pilot"
> sticker on the cabin tubing over my head...does that count? : ) (I really
> should clean my house though, I'd hate to leave a bad impression....guess
> that job will fall to my kids, though) : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
> do not archive
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:01 AM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
>>
>> Lynn..........welcome to the club! [Shocked]
>>
>> Glad you made it down safely and neither you are the plane were injured.
>>
>> If you fly long enough...it's not a matter of if...it's a matter of
>> when! ...Sort of like being in church... Have you prepared...are you
>> ready? That instant silence is one of the loudest sounds you will ever
>> hear!
>>
>> Take Care!
>>
>> Travis :D
>>
>> --------
>> Travis Rayner
>> Mobile, AL
>> Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
>> Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
>> ADI-II Autopilot
>> AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196609#196609
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st |
Lynn,
I have had my share of engine outs in gyrocopters, ultralights, experimentals and
GA. Practicing emergency landings is something I have always believed in!
I have done MANY dead stick landings in all the above...with the prop stopped
(yes I know glide is usually better with a stopped rather than windmilling prop).
In contrast to my beliefs...I no longer do full engine off/prop stopped practice
landings! Our Kitfox has the Continental IO-240, 125 hp fuel injected engine.
Here's the problem...It doesn't like hot starts! With ALL the other engines
a restart was just a click away. No so with this engine. I have to go through
the full hot start routine if my engine has been off for 10 seconds or 10
minutes. I didn't realize the severity of this issue until I did my first practice
dead stick landing (prop stopped). I realized I was going to be a little
short of my mark (which was at mid field). No joy on the restart and I landed
about 300' short of my planned mark.
For this to be your first dead stick (not planned) landing. I'd say you did great.
It doesn't matter how large or small the landing site...what matters is
that you landed where you intended and walked away. Again...congratulations!
Travis
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st |
Lowell-
Sounds like you've been talking to Duane....
There are precious few people who have ever seen the filing system
that I employ at my house...Duane R., whom you know, is one of them.
He'll attest that if you want to find the latest magazine issue,
it'll be on top of that pile on the floor over there, or was it on
the chair over there that nobody can sit on because of the "filing
system"?
My Mom used to tell me to always wear "train wreck" underwear,
because you never know what might happen. I always figured if you got
in a train/airplane wreck, doing a laundry is the least of your
problems. And if the wreck was scary enough, clean undies might just
NOT be clean shortly (no pun) afterwards. : )
And speaking of cleaning/sorting/filing, I had written on my shopping
list "dial indicator", because I didn't have the best set-up when it
came to that (now) needed tool. But after looking a bit, I found all
kinds of swivels, adapters, etc., that I could never find when I
needed it before. I just collected all my outside and inside
micrometers, telescoping gauges, snap ring pliers, etc., and I'm
starting to feel like an engine man again...been a while. This might
even inspire me to get working on the 240 Z that needs some engine work.
The shopping list includes a parts washer, a crowsfoot wrench for the
cylinders, valve spring compressor, ring compressor, etc. I sold a
bunch of that stuff when I moved back here from sunny California, now
it's time to re-stock and hang out the shingle again. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
do not archive
On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Lynn,
>
> You made me laugh a bit with this one. Please do clean your
> house. This is no reflection on your housekeeping, but a tip from
> me to all who fly, or go out or just live life.
>
> After our, much harder, emergency landing, friends came over to
> help out a bit and "cleaned" our house for us. This was while we
> were in the hospital. Well, I guess our kind helpers didn't like
> where we put things, because everything was put away in places that
> took weeks to discover. We found books that were stacked on a
> counter slated to be given to the library on top of the the towels
> in the hall closet. Make no mistake, we cherish the memory of all
> who did so much to help, but it brings a smile to our face when we
> remember coming home and not being able to find anything - meaning
> those things we used the most and were placed where they were most
> handy.
>
> Lowell
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox survives emergency
> landing...my 1st
>
>
>>
>> Except this wasn't silent...the prop kept turning, and in
>> hindsight, the pistons kept right on banging into the valves that
>> were left open...two of them from what I've seen so far....and
>> was making a soft clattering sound until it stopped turning when
>> I slowed down enough for final. When I turned to engine over on
>> the ground, I could feel a slight resistance, then it would pass
>> through that feeling and be free again. I figured that it was the
>> piston coming up against an open valve, and further turning
>> wasn't hurting it any, because the prop freewheeled for the 2-3
>> minutes that I had before touchdown...at least it seemed that
>> long. There is (on the only piston I've seen so far) a very
>> slight impacted area...maybe 1/16" deep and not very long, where
>> the valve made a mark in the piston. If this were an auto engine,
>> I'd hit that area with a Dremel tool to smooth it out, then do
>> the very same thing on all the other pistons so that future
>> incidents would not do the same thing. What I mean to say is that
>> you create a pocket for the valve to clear, so that contact is
>> not made if the same thing were to happen again.
>> Racing pistons have "eyebrows" cut into the pistons to avoid any
>> valve contact, as many as four of these eyebrows are cut into
>> pistons so the pistons can be used on either side of the engine.
>> Just for somebody's info, we used to take a valve and grind it
>> into the shape of a metal-cutter, and use that to make our own
>> eyebrows in the pistons, when building up a race engine with a
>> high-lift, or long- duration, cam.
>>
>> I don't know how prepared I am, but I've got my "God is my Co-
>> Pilot" sticker on the cabin tubing over my head...does that
>> count? : ) (I really should clean my house though, I'd hate to
>> leave a bad impression....guess that job will fall to my kids,
>> though) : )
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Jabiru 2200
>> Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:01 AM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>>
>>> <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> Lynn..........welcome to the club! [Shocked]
>>>
>>> Glad you made it down safely and neither you are the plane were
>>> injured.
>>>
>>> If you fly long enough...it's not a matter of if...it's a matter
>>> of when! ...Sort of like being in church... Have you
>>> prepared...are you ready? That instant silence is one of the
>>> loudest sounds you will ever hear!
>>>
>>> Take Care!
>>>
>>> Travis :D
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Travis Rayner
>>> Mobile, AL
>>> Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
>>> Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
>>> ADI-II Autopilot
>>> AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196609#196609
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st |
Thanks, Travis.....I recall looking very hard for wires, t'poles,
etc., but saw none. Nonetheless, I came in high over the road just to
be sure, then slipped it down even though the field was long. Maybe I
was thinking about the long walk to the road, who knows.
I asked my instructor if there was ANY way to have stopped that prop,
and I already knew the answer was no. On the models, some guys would
throw a rag into the prop if the plane was on the ground, and I
always thought that was a sloppy way to stop an engine.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
do not archive
On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:54 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> I have had my share of engine outs in gyrocopters, ultralights,
> experimentals and GA. Practicing emergency landings is something I
> have always believed in! I have done MANY dead stick landings in
> all the above...with the prop stopped (yes I know glide is usually
> better with a stopped rather than windmilling prop).
>
> In contrast to my beliefs...I no longer do full engine off/prop
> stopped practice landings! Our Kitfox has the Continental IO-240,
> 125 hp fuel injected engine. Here's the problem...It doesn't like
> hot starts! With ALL the other engines a restart was just a click
> away. No so with this engine. I have to go through the full hot
> start routine if my engine has been off for 10 seconds or 10
> minutes. I didn't realize the severity of this issue until I did
> my first practice dead stick landing (prop stopped). I realized I
> was going to be a little short of my mark (which was at mid
> field). No joy on the restart and I landed about 300' short of my
> planned mark.
>
> For this to be your first dead stick (not planned) landing. I'd
> say you did great. It doesn't matter how large or small the
> landing site...what matters is that you landed where you intended
> and walked away. Again...congratulations!
>
> Travis
>
> --------
> Travis Rayner
> Mobile, AL
> Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
> Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
> ADI-II Autopilot
> AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196663#196663
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox survives emergency landing...my 1st |
If the engine still has compression...and who would know at the time, you would
raise the nose and slow the plane...somewhere close to stall speed it will...should...stop.
While this would be the perfect thing to do if you were many thousands
of feet up...it may not always be the wisest thing to do if altitude
and a landing field is suitable. It would be silly to loose several hundred of
feet of altitude to get your prop stopped...so your glide ratio would be better...and
then be 10 feet short of a clearing!
...geeeeeee....I get all twisted just thinking about it! [Shocked]
Once while on a long final at one of our local grass strips...there was about 10
UL's and Exp. gathered up for a weekend camping trip. We had to fly the furtherest
to get to the departure point. I decided I had plenty of altitude and
a tail wind and killed the engine (prop stopped) so I could make a stealthy approach
in front of our friends. No problem...As I descended through 2,000' I
realized I now had a head wind and some quick mental calculations led me to the
realization that we were not going to make the runway. I reached for the key
and turned it...click....click...click... Just the solenoid clicking. After
many click-clicks my loyal and knowledgeable copilot put her hand on mine and
pulled it off the key. She then gently said..."Honey...fly the plane!" It
was like one of those hypnosis finger snaps. There were two small cow pastures
with a small tree line in between. Each was about 400' square. We made a left
turn and did a couple of S turns and landed in the second field. I tried
to enter from the corner for more room. We cleared the trees with about 5 feet
to spare and landed in this wet, rough pasture. Manure was everywhere! Nothing
was damaged on the plane...but let me say this again...manure was everywhere!!!
Turned out...the ground cable had broken at the terminal and so I had
no ground to the starter! How we flew it out is another story!
Again...It sounds like you made all the right decisions...and flew the plane!
Aviate, Navigate and Communicate. So simple...yet it's so easy to get behind
the 8-ball.
Travis :D
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Firewall sealant |
I was wondering what any of yous guys (or gals) have used to seal small holes in
the firewall? Certainly looking for as high a heat resistance possible. RTV?
Gasketseal? Not sure what would be the best. In looking around the net I found
a ceramic sealant that when cured would resist 2100 degrees, yet I think it
would be too brittle and just crack under vibration.
Oh wise ones who have gone before?
Thanks,
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV, 912s
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall sealant |
I used Firestop Putty Pads to seal the wires, edges and passages through the
firewall in my RV7A. It is available from industrial electrical stores for
sealing junction boxes in walls. The putty is about the consistency of thick
chewing gum and stays pliable until hit by fire, then it chars and hardens
rather than melting or burning through. The pliability allows removal if you
need to open the hole or remove wires or cables. Check Google.com for different
types and manufacturers. I think I used Hilt, but 3M makes it also.
John Greaves
RV7A and VariEze
Redding, CA
In a message dated 8/5/2008 4:24:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dan@azshowersolutions.com writes:
I was wondering what any of yous guys (or gals) have used to seal small
holes in the firewall? Certainly looking for as high a heat resistance possible.
RTV? Gasketseal? Not sure what would be the best. In looking around the net I
found a ceramic sealant that when cured would resist 2100 degrees, yet I
think it would be too brittle and just crack under vibration.
Oh wise ones who have gone before?
Thanks,
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV, 912s
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall sealant |
You mean like pop rivet small?...hint, hint....
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
do not archive
On Aug 5, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Dan Billingsley wrote:
> I was wondering what any of yous guys (or gals) have used to seal
> small holes in the firewall? Certainly looking for as high a heat
> resistance possible. RTV? Gasketseal? Not sure what would be the
> best. In looking around the net I found a ceramic sealant that when
> cured would resist 2100 degrees, yet I think it would be too
> brittle and just crack under vibration.
> Oh wise ones who have gone before?
> Thanks,
> Dan B
> Mesa, AZ
> KF-IV, 912s
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall sealant |
Not sure of your hints Lynn, but not really. I am working on a KF-IV and installing the Rotax 912s which requires one to make a recess in the top of the firewall to accept the oil can. I chose to make the firewall out of a solid piece of Stainless and then made a box (see attached link)http://www.azshowersolutions.com/Engine1.html
I ended up with a few small holes in the corners and yes, I was thinking of filling
the rivet holes as well. Something I missed in the manual?
Dan B
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
You mean like pop rivet small?...hint, hint....
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying...oops...holding short at 561.8 hrs
do not archive
On Aug 5, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Dan Billingsley wrote:
> I was wondering what any of yous guys (or gals) have used to seal
> small holes in the firewall? Certainly looking for as high a heat
> resistance possible. RTV? Gasketseal? Not sure what would be the
> best. In looking around the net I found a ceramic sealant that when
> cured would resist 2100 degrees, yet I think it would be too
> brittle and just crack under vibration.
> Oh wise ones who have gone before?
> Thanks,
> Dan B
> Mesa, AZ
> KF-IV, 912s
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall sealant |
At 04:22 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
>I was wondering what any of yous guys (or gals) have used to seal
>small holes in the firewall? Certainly looking for as high a heat
>resistance possible. RTV? Gasketseal?
The construction industry uses a great intumescent putty from 3M.
(http://tinyurl.com/6flp2l ) It never hardens, is really sticky
(messy,) and is good to at least 675F. You can get it on-line or at
most construction supply houses. I've been using it, but haven't
tested it yet. ;-)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall sealant |
> I was wondering what any of yous guys (or gals) have used to seal small holes
in the firewall?
I use Red RTV.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Kitfox IV - 1200 |
> What requirements do they have to meet for import? I wasn't aware of any.
>
100 hours in logbook from USA
de register N number from FAA
do a inspection and get Transport Canada delegate to check it over and paper work
and you all done.
Dave
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
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