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1. 02:16 AM - Re: Landing and engine pictures (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:47 AM - My First Ground Loop (rawheels)
3. 05:02 AM - Re: My First Ground Loop (Sbennett3@aol.com)
4. 05:37 AM - Re: My First Ground Loop (Michel Verheughe)
5. 06:28 AM - Re: Firewall sealant (Catz631@aol.com)
6. 07:18 AM - Re: My First Ground Loop (Lowell Fitt)
7. 07:28 AM - Re: My First Ground Loop (Sbennett3@aol.com)
8. 07:34 AM - Re: Firewall sealant (Perkins, Mike)
9. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: Landing and engine pictures (Lynn Matteson)
10. 08:07 AM - Re: My First Ground Loop (rawheels)
11. 08:33 AM - Re: My First Ground Loop (Tom Jones)
12. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: My First Ground Loop (Lowell Fitt)
13. 08:42 AM - Re: My First Ground Loop (Tom Jones)
14. 08:52 AM - Re: My First Ground Loop (Guy Buchanan)
15. 09:10 AM - Re: Temporary strut fairing (Tom Jones)
16. 09:32 AM - Re: My First Ground Loop (rawheels)
17. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: My First Ground Loop (Guy Buchanan)
18. 09:37 AM - Re: My First Ground Loop (Pete Christensen)
19. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: My First Ground Loop (Bill Malpass)
20. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: My First Ground Loop (Lynn Matteson)
21. 12:49 PM - Re: My First Ground Loop (n85ae)
22. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: My First Ground Loop (Marco Menezes)
23. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: Temporary strut fairing (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
24. 01:35 PM - Front (panel tank) in Classic 4 (Tom Jones)
25. 01:51 PM - Re: Temporary strut fairing (Tom Jones)
26. 04:03 PM - Re: My First Ground Loop (Ken Potter)
27. 04:11 PM - Turtle Deck Hinge (Ken Potter)
28. 04:30 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Hinge (Lowell Fitt)
29. 04:39 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Hinge (mscotter@comcast.net)
30. 04:51 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Hinge (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
31. 04:54 PM - Re: My First Ground Loop (RAY Gignac)
32. 05:22 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Hinge (Dee Young)
33. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Landing and engine pictures (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
34. 05:43 PM - 91 octane, time to be heard! (Roger Lee)
35. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: My First Ground Loop (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
36. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: Landing and engine pictures (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
37. 06:46 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Hinge (Lynn Matteson)
38. 06:55 PM - Re: My First Ground Loop (Paul Peerenboom)
39. 07:06 PM - Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! (Michael Gibbs)
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| Subject: | RE: Landing and engine pictures |
My dear Lynn,
First I thought to write to you directly but since we are a nice and friendly family
on this list ... here it goes.
First let me say that I admire the way you take your engine failure in a light
and positive way. (I only wish I could take the consequences of my heart failure
the same way).
We have seen on the Jabiru list people who experienced problems with their engine
and went in a destructive way head-on against the company and their agents.
The truth is - and as someone else pointed out here - any engine can suffer failure;
Murphy made sure of that - may his name be cursed in one hundred generations!
:-)
Because it looks like I will never get back a pilot license, I will probably be
a right-seater with my son. But because I value his life more than my own, I
need now to make sure that the Jabiru is something we can still fly without unreasonable
fear.
My question then is: Am I right to say that you have the hydraulic lifters Jabiru?
Do you think that your engine failure can have something to do with that or
am I as much in danger to see such a failure with my old mechanical lifters?
You see, the Norwegian country is not as flat as Michigan and the cornfields -
if any - are the size of postal stamps (well, at least - seen from above! :-)
In Germany, without medical, I could fly this:
http://silentfamily.de/index.php?id=12
But Norway doesn't have the same rule. The reason it is accepted in Germany is
that the empty weight of that funny motor-glider is only 108 kg.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... but grounded.
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| Subject: | My First Ground Loop |
Went up last night for what was supposed to be my last lesson before getting my
tailwheel endorsement. Went over to do some hard surface work, and the first
two landings were squirrelly. Third landing the aircraft just darted left, with
full right brake and rudder nothing would stop it. Right flaperon touched
the ground and the tailwheel is cocked to the left. CFI thinks the bolt on the
tail wheel broke and that is what caused it to shoot left, but I'm not sure.
Landing on pavement the aircraft was really grabby. It will take some convincing
before I want to go on pavement again. Need a 12 step program; loppers
anonymous.
Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Ryan, Same thing happened to me last September. Dont feel alone here it
happens to even the veterans. I put a piece of red electrical tape on the top
of
the panel to mark my strait line. It really helped. You need to make ALL
your landings on hard surface. Then the grass is just easy landing :-) It gets
better as you start to feel the airplane more. I promise. Steve Bennett 4
classic 912
In a message dated 8/6/2008 7:48:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rawheels@yahoo.com writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
Went up last night for what was supposed to be my last lesson before getting
my tailwheel endorsement. Went over to do some hard surface work, and the
first two landings were squirrelly. Third landing the aircraft just darted
left, with full right brake and rudder nothing would stop it. Right flaperon
touched the ground and the tailwheel is cocked to the left. CFI thinks the
bolt on the tail wheel broke and that is what caused it to shoot left, but I'm
not sure. Landing on pavement the aircraft was really grabby. It will take
some convincing before I want to go on pavement again. Need a 12 step
program; loppers anonymous.
Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
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| Subject: | RE: My First Ground Loop |
> From: rawheels [rawheels@yahoo.com]
> CFI thinks the bolt on the tail wheel broke and that is what caused it to shoot
left
Ryan, the only time I did a ground loop was when I broke my tailwheel spring. I
thought first that the ground loop broke the spring but it was the opposite:
the lost of tail control was the reason I went in the ground loop.
I hope you can fix your tailwheel and flaperon and are soon back in the air.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall sealant |
Preparation H ?? (bad I know but couldn't resist0
Dick Maddux
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Ryan,
I have to ask the question, do you have the original tube gear or have you
changed out to the Grove. The reason I ask is when I was jigging up to make
the taller wider tube gear with compression spring struts, I used the old
gear as a starter to make the jigs. These came from the factory seriously
toed in. It was visually obvious possibly up to a couple of degrees. I
would expect, since these were all made from the same jiggs, that every set
was toed in. I think this is a major cause for much of the ground handling
problems with the early gear. My first Model IV was toed in. I caught it
before first flight because in the then published Kitfox Times and article
explained how to check and correct it. That airplane was very docile on the
ground.
Maybe this is the difference between the grass and pavement experiences that
many have described as grass would not grab the toed in gear and pavement
makes for the big surprise.
The tape on the windsheild is a great help. I had it on mine, but check the
gear alignment and see if that is what is causing the need for such extreme
vigilance.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: My First Ground Loop
>
> Went up last night for what was supposed to be my last lesson before
> getting my tailwheel endorsement. Went over to do some hard surface work,
> and the first two landings were squirrelly. Third landing the aircraft
> just darted left, with full right brake and rudder nothing would stop it.
> Right flaperon touched the ground and the tailwheel is cocked to the left.
> CFI thinks the bolt on the tail wheel broke and that is what caused it to
> shoot left, but I'm not sure. Landing on pavement the aircraft was really
> grabby. It will take some convincing before I want to go on pavement
> again. Need a 12 step program; loppers anonymous.
>
> Ryan Wheeler
> Kitfox IV-1200
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196853#196853
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Another thing I was told makes our birds squirrely... Too much air in the
tires. Assuming you have the golf cart/atv style tire, The air pressure should
only be 7 to 10 lbs.
Steve Bennett
In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:19:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcfitt@sbcglobal.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Ryan,
I have to ask the question, do you have the original tube gear or have you
changed out to the Grove. The reason I ask is when I was jigging up to make
the taller wider tube gear with compression spring struts, I used the old
gear as a starter to make the jigs. These came from the factory seriously
toed in. It was visually obvious possibly up to a couple of degrees. I
would expect, since these were all made from the same jiggs, that every set
was toed in. I think this is a major cause for much of the ground handling
problems with the early gear. My first Model IV was toed in. I caught it
before first flight because in the then published Kitfox Times and article
explained how to check and correct it. That airplane was very docile on the
ground.
Maybe this is the difference between the grass and pavement experiences that
many have described as grass would not grab the toed in gear and pavement
makes for the big surprise.
The tape on the windsheild is a great help. I had it on mine, but check the
gear alignment and see if that is what is causing the need for such extreme
vigilance.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: My First Ground Loop
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
>
> Went up last night for what was supposed to be my last lesson before
> getting my tailwheel endorsement. Went over to do some hard surface work,
> and the first two landings were squirrelly. Third landing the aircraft
> just darted left, with full right brake and rudder nothing would stop it.
> Right flaperon touched the ground and the tailwheel is cocked to the left.
> CFI thinks the bolt on the tail wheel broke and that is what caused it to
> shoot left, but I'm not sure. Landing on pavement the aircraft was really
> grabby. It will take some convincing before I want to go on pavement
> again. Need a 12 step program; loppers anonymous.
>
> Ryan Wheeler
> Kitfox IV-1200
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196853#196853
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall sealant |
Permatex High Temperature RTV sealant (red) is rated from -75 to +650 F
(intermittent) and resists fuel and oil. I've seen it gooped on muffler
springs where it seems not to degrade. To plug firewalls, however, I'd
be inclined to use rivets for small holes. For bigger holes I'd use
riveted metal plates with a little red Permatex to create a seal against
fumes.
Mike Perkins
Model I s/n 175
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Landing and engine pictures |
Cheer up, Michel...while in the post office yesterday, I overheard a
gentleman saying that he had 3 heart attacks. Of course, I didn't see
flight helmet and goggles, but he was walking. : )
Fretting about it will only make it seem worse, and as I found out
after my by-pass surgery, you now have a new lease on life, so enjoy it.
Nope, I've got solid lifters...mine was the 5th engine from the last
of the solid lifter engines. (Maybe they were using up all the bad
parts in an effort to clean out the bins when they made mine) The
only recent clue that I had was a slight seepage from the rear main
seal. I couldn't really tell where it was coming from in the weeks
prior to the failure, but I knew that there was some oil showing up
on the lower cowl. I attributed it to a combination of seepages from
various areas as the engine got more and more hours on it, and
because it was not a lot of oil, just an oil film really, I never
went looking for one big major problem. Then at Oshkosh when I saw
the oil seepage...more than a film of oil this time....coming from
the rear main seal area, I knew I had to do something about it. Well,
it only gave me about 5 hours notice...barely enough time to get back
from Oshkosh. Someone mentioned that if the broken part was cracked
in the area where the seal rides, that could explain the leak leading
up to the part failure.
So if anything is to be learned from this, it is to keep an eye on
that rear main seal area. Because of the nature of the design of the
engine, a leak here is a warning. Any other seal seepage is just an
annoyance, and can be dealt with in time, but I'd treat this area
with respect and look into a leakage here sooner rather than later.
For anyone thinking about using a Jabiru engine, I seem to be the
only one having these problems, so maybe I got a "Friday afternoon/
Monday morning" engine. The majority of them out there are performing
without problems, both in experimentals and in the Jabiru aircraft.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 6, 2008, at 5:14 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> My dear Lynn,
> First I thought to write to you directly but since we are a nice
> and friendly family on this list ... here it goes.
>
> First let me say that I admire the way you take your engine failure
> in a light and positive way. (I only wish I could take the
> consequences of my heart failure the same way).
>
> We have seen on the Jabiru list people who experienced problems
> with their engine and went in a destructive way head-on against the
> company and their agents. The truth is - and as someone else
> pointed out here - any engine can suffer failure; Murphy made sure
> of that - may his name be cursed in one hundred generations! :-)
>
> Because it looks like I will never get back a pilot license, I will
> probably be a right-seater with my son. But because I value his
> life more than my own, I need now to make sure that the Jabiru is
> something we can still fly without unreasonable fear.
>
> My question then is: Am I right to say that you have the hydraulic
> lifters Jabiru? Do you think that your engine failure can have
> something to do with that or am I as much in danger to see such a
> failure with my old mechanical lifters?
>
> You see, the Norwegian country is not as flat as Michigan and the
> cornfields - if any - are the size of postal stamps (well, at least
> - seen from above! :-)
>
> In Germany, without medical, I could fly this:
> http://silentfamily.de/index.php?id=12
>
> But Norway doesn't have the same rule. The reason it is accepted in
> Germany is that the empty weight of that funny motor-glider is only
> 108 kg.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... but grounded.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Thanks for the responses:
TAPE: How do you align the tape; just set up on the runway and lay it down?
GEAR: Yeah, regular tube gear. I saw the grove gear on the units up at Oshkosh.
Looks really nice, but out of the price range right now. I'll have to see if
I have the alignment instructions, and check out my set-up.
TIRES: I'm not sure if they are original or not. They are pretty small. Max
Press is like 25 lbs, and I have them filled to around 20 psi. Can 7-10 be right?
Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Ryan hopefully the damage is minimal. from your description it sounds like it
is.
Like Lowel's, my tube gear was seriously toed in when first installed. the suggested
fix is to cold bend the gear with a six foot cheater pipe over the axle.
I didn't like the stress this would put on the gear and fuselage so I took
the axles out and cold bent them in a vise with light taps of a sledge hammer.
The wheel alignment is now straight ahead with fuselage level (tail up). It is
easy for me to keep straight now.
For what its worth about "Walking the rudder" in a kitfox. If I try that like
I did in the Stinson or Cub things get out of control in a hurry.
On take off I anticipate and add some light left rudder (left hand prop) when throttle
is applied then a little light left rudder pressure when the tail comes
up. Thats about all.
On landings I just add rudder as needed. If there's no cross wind and the touch
down is aligned straight with the runway I don't need to add any rudder at all
until the runway exit.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Ryan,
To align the tape, line up your airplane with a distant object - for me here
it is a tree on the hill - by sighting from the rear across the vertical
stabilizer and a vertical prop blade. Then get in the airplane, wiggle a
bit to find your flying position and place some narrow - the 1/8" masking
tape works great - on the windsheild aligned with the distant object. I
found that the tape helped a bunch when landing with a substantial cross
wind once on a must do landing late one evening in a cross country.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: My First Ground Loop
>
> Thanks for the responses:
>
> TAPE: How do you align the tape; just set up on the runway and lay it
> down?
>
> GEAR: Yeah, regular tube gear. I saw the grove gear on the units up at
> Oshkosh. Looks really nice, but out of the price range right now. I'll
> have to see if I have the alignment instructions, and check out my set-up.
>
> TIRES: I'm not sure if they are original or not. They are pretty small.
> Max Press is like 25 lbs, and I have them filled to around 20 psi. Can
> 7-10 be right?
>
> Ryan Wheeler
> Kitfox IV-1200
> Indianapolis, IN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196901#196901
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Ryan,
I just reread this thread and can tell by your questions you have not read the
book "How to Fly a Kitfox".
This book was a big help for me. It has been rewritten as "kitfox Pilot's Guide". My opinion is this is a must have must read for kitfox owner/pilots. I think it is still available from http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
At 04:46 AM 8/6/2008, you wrote:
>Landing on pavement the aircraft was really grabby. It will take
>some convincing before I want to go on pavement again. Need a 12
>step program; loppers anonymous.
Not at all, you've just joined the ranks of those who have,
leaving the ranks of those who will. (I have, albeit slowly, and
without damage. My right foot got stuck on the brake and around we
went. I was practicing stop and goes with the tail up.) Now that
you've gotten that out of the way you can go forward without worry.
(Though I'd check the toe to be sure, and second Lowell's suggestion
of putting a "gunsight" on the windshield. I added a horizon line for
3-pointers, as well.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary strut fairing |
Mnflyer wrote:
> Hi Tom, I installed the PVC type fairings in May of this year and got about 6
to 8 mph increase in cruise. I had all the balsa cut and spade when these came
up for sale, and the installation is a lot simpler.
I looked at the PVC fairing at the Arlington Fly in then ordered a set. I test
flew yesterday. Check out the attached pictures of the Airspeed before and after.
You will have to take my word that these are both straight and level.
I don't have a VSI. This is a Classic 4 with a 503 mind you. I am pleasantly
suprised!
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Tom,
You are right, I've not read that. I purchased the aircraft a few weeks before
Oshkosh, so I have very limited experience with the aircraft. I don't see an
online store, but I'll e-mail the McBeans about it.
Some damage to the plane, but I don't think I'll be rebuilding a wing or anything.
The wing and flaperon looked and felt solid and straight. There is a rip
in the wing fabric and I think I noticed some damage to the right side of the
turtle back. So, Ill need to look into that further. The big noticeable item
is the tail wheel. I'll have to bend the horizontal tabs back in place and
then try to get it realigned before replacing the three bolts with new. Guess
it could be worse, but definitely not fun.
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
At 08:06 AM 8/6/2008, you wrote:
>TAPE: How do you align the tape; just set up on the runway and lay it down?
Set up on a taxi-way or runway. Get comfortable and focus at
infinity. Closing each eye, make a mark on the windshield where
runway centerline is. (Use a water soluble marker.) When you get done
you should have two marks about 2" apart. Put the tape vertically
midway in between these marks. When you land and focus on the far end
of the runway the vertical tape should bifurcate into two, offering a
"gun sight" in which you center the runway centerline. The poor man's
heads-up-display! (This may require some iteration.)
>GEAR: Yeah, regular tube gear. I saw the grove gear on the units up
>at Oshkosh. Looks really nice, but out of the price range right
>now. I'll have to see if I have the alignment instructions, and
>check out my set-up.
Go for Lowell's gear. I hear he's given' em away. ;-)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Ryan,
I wouldn't loose any sleep over the ground loop. Now you have it out of
your system. I did the same thing in my Kitfox III with about 7 hours under
my belt and my 6th landing. A slight gust caught me off guard on a landing
while I was patting myself on the back for my smoothest touchdown ever. I
think Grove gear saved me. My right wing came within 2' of the ground. I
ran off the runway at 5t6 and had half of a complete circle when I got
control. I completed the loop and got back on the runway and announced on
the radio "Kitfox 73BH has arrived". Both of my flying instructors were at
the field that day. I now do not loose my focus on landing until I come to
a complete stop.
I had tailwheel steering break on me on a KR2 once and I ended up running
off the runway because of that.
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: My First Ground Loop
>
> Went up last night for what was supposed to be my last lesson before
> getting my tailwheel endorsement. Went over to do some hard surface work,
> and the first two landings were squirrelly. Third landing the aircraft
> just darted left, with full right brake and rudder nothing would stop it.
> Right flaperon touched the ground and the tailwheel is cocked to the left.
> CFI thinks the bolt on the tail wheel broke and that is what caused it to
> shoot left, but I'm not sure. Landing on pavement the aircraft was really
> grabby. It will take some convincing before I want to go on pavement
> again. Need a 12 step program; loppers anonymous.
>
> Ryan Wheeler
> Kitfox IV-1200
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196853#196853
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
20 PSI WILL MAKE YOU SQUIRREL ALL OVER THE RUNWAY !! 9 POUNDS IS GOOD.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: My First Ground Loop
>
> Thanks for the responses:
>
> TAPE: How do you align the tape; just set up on the runway and lay it
> down?
>
> GEAR: Yeah, regular tube gear. I saw the grove gear on the units up at
> Oshkosh. Looks really nice, but out of the price range right now. I'll
> have to see if I have the alignment instructions, and check out my set-up.
>
> TIRES: I'm not sure if they are original or not. They are pretty small.
> Max Press is like 25 lbs, and I have them filled to around 20 psi. Can
> 7-10 be right?
>
> Ryan Wheeler
> Kitfox IV-1200
> Indianapolis, IN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196901#196901
>
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Cheer up, Ryan....my attempt to teach myself to taxi ended up like
this, a week before my DAR visit...all was repairable, and it came
out looking pretty good. It wasn't a ground loop, but a side gust and
a dumb rookie who shouldn't have been doing what I was doing...going
too fast and trying to see if the tail was up (it was) and then
pulling back and probably some to the left, too.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 6, 2008, at 12:31 PM, rawheels wrote:
>
> Guess it could be worse, but definitely not fun.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Cheer up, when I did my ground loop I did it at Prime time Saturday
afternoon right in front of the airport restaurant which was packed
and busy.
real nice tire smoking 270 degree turn right off into the grass. Loud
enough tire noise from the 8.50's to hear clearly from about a mile
away.
The unicom operator came up "N85AE are you ok?", I replied "I'm
fine but I probably need a change of undershorts ..."
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
That's attractive, Lynn. I especially admire the sporty effect of those gra
ss-like streamers. ;-)
-
But seriously Ryan, if you fly tailwheel long enough you will groundloop. I
got mine out of the way early too and-it had nothing to do with the airp
lane. I do concur with those-who have recommended checking excessive tire
pressure and/or toe-in on the tube gear. Either-condition can contribute
to "squirreliness" on pavement.
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Good luck and keep those feet a-moving.
--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: My First Ground Loop
Cheer up, Ryan....my attempt to teach myself to taxi ended up like
this, a week before my DAR visit...all was repairable, and it came
out looking pretty good. It wasn't a ground loop, but a side gust and
a dumb rookie who shouldn't have been doing what I was doing...going
too fast and trying to see if the tail was up (it was) and then
pulling back and probably some to the left, too.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 6, 2008, at 12:31 PM, rawheels wrote:
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>
> Guess it could be worse, but definitely not fun.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196925#196925
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary strut fairing |
Hi Tom=2C that looks pretty good for the strut fairings. About 10 MPH!!
Just curious=2C how did you end up with a front tank in a Kitfox 4? I thou
ght they went away with the Kitfox 2. Do you also have the wing tanks? Ji
m Chuk Kitfox 4 building=2C Avid MK IV flying=2C MN> Subject: Kitfox-List
: Re: Temporary strut fairing> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net> Date: Wed=2C 6 Au
g 2008 09:09:36 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List mes
sage posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>> > > Mnflyer wrote:> > Hi
Tom=2C I installed the PVC type fairings in May of this year and got about
6 to 8 mph increase in cruise. I had all the balsa cut and spade when thes
e came up for sale=2C and the installation is a lot simpler.> > > I looked
at the PVC fairing at the Arlington Fly in then ordered a set. I test flew
yesterday. Check out the attached pictures of the Airspeed before and after
. You will have to take my word that these are both straight and level. I d
on't have a VSI. This is a Classic 4 with a 503 mind you. I am pleasantly s
uprised!> > --------> Tom Jones> Classic IV> 503 Rotax=2C 72 inch Two blade
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| Subject: | Front (panel tank) in Classic 4 |
> Just curious C how did you end up with a fronttank in a Kitfox 4? I thought they
went away with the Kitfox 2. Do you also have the wing tanks? Jim Chuk Kitfox
4 building C Avid MK IV flying C MN
Jim,
When I ordered My Kit in 1994 the panel tank was standard and wing tanks were an
option. The rear header tank was also an option. As there was no credit for
not taking the panel tank I took it and installed it instead of a rear header
tank. I have a wing tank in the right wing plumbed into the panel tank and
the left wing tank is sitting in my shop for future use.
Cost was a big item to me. Not using the panel tank would have also meant upgrading
to a large instrument panel and on and on.
So there you have it. A Classic 4 with a panel tank.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary strut fairing |
I forgot to include the weight of the PVC fairing in my earlier post. Bare fairing
with aluminum cuff for lower ends was 11.5 pounds.
For what its worth department. I reweighed the airplane after fairing instillation.
It has gained 26 pounds total since I weighed it a little over a year ago.
Besides the fairing this weight includes a fire extinguisher, hand held radio on
the panel, hand held GPS on the panel, portable intercom on the butt rib, operator's
manual and other paper work, baggage sack with 1/4" plywood bottom, plus
all the miscellaneous clamps, screws, fire sleeves and such that continue
to find their way into and onto an airplane. It all adds up to some pounds after
a while.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
As one our old investigators here at the TSB Canada says, "there are two types
of tail-dragger pilots; those who have ground looped, and those who will!
Im still awaiting my turn and humbly accept my fate.
Cheers
Ken Potter
Kitfox II No. 483
Rotax 583, C Box,
98% finished
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| Subject: | Turtle Deck Hinge |
Hi Folks;
Just completed my turtle deck today but have not yet installed the hinge. Question;
is the hinge needed???????? After fabricating the turtledeck windows to
be watertight it appears that the hinge will be a sieve. Are there any fit-up
issues which require the hinge or can I join the two sided together with a solid
(and waterproof) joint.
Cheers and thanks in advance for your advice
Ken Potter
Kitfox II, No. 483
Rotax 583, C Box
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck Hinge |
Ken,
The reason for the hinge is so when trailering, the turtle deck will fit
inside the cockpit on the seat. I don't think there is any other reason.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Potter" <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:10 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Turtle Deck Hinge
>
> Hi Folks;
>
> Just completed my turtle deck today but have not yet installed the hinge.
> Question; is the hinge needed???????? After fabricating the turtledeck
> windows to be watertight it appears that the hinge will be a sieve. Are
> there any fit-up issues which require the hinge or can I join the two
> sided together with a solid (and waterproof) joint.
>
> Cheers and thanks in advance for your advice
>
> Ken Potter
> Kitfox II, No. 483
> Rotax 583, C Box
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196988#196988
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck Hinge |
Pulling in now.
------Original Message------
From: Lowell Fitt
Sender: Kitfox list
ReplyTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Aug 6, 2008 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Turtle Deck Hinge
Ken,
The reason for the hinge is so when trailering, the turtle deck will fit
inside the cockpit on the seat. I don't think there is any other reason.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Potter" <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:10 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Turtle Deck Hinge
>
> Hi Folks;
>
> Just completed my turtle deck today but have not yet installed the hinge.
> Question; is the hinge needed???????? After fabricating the turtledeck
> windows to be watertight it appears that the hinge will be a sieve. Are
> there any fit-up issues which require the hinge or can I join the two
> sided together with a solid (and waterproof) joint.
>
> Cheers and thanks in advance for your advice
>
> Ken Potter
> Kitfox II, No. 483
> Rotax 583, C Box
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196988#196988
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Turtle Deck Hinge |
On the Avids=2C the two halves overlap and use 3 or 4 camlocks to hold them
togeather. Not sure if that is more watertite or not=2C also=2C I'm not s
ure if Kitfox gives you enough material for an overlap but maybe. Jim Chuk
Kitfox 4 building=2C Avid MK IV flying=2C MN> From: lcfitt@sbcglobal.ne
t> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Turtle Deck Hin
ge> Date: Wed=2C 6 Aug 2008 16:26:20 -0700> > --> Kitfox-List message poste
d by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>> > Ken=2C> > The reason for the
hinge is so when trailering=2C the turtle deck will fit > inside the cockpi
t on the seat. I don't think there is any other reason.> ----- Original Mes
sage ----- > From: "Ken Potter" <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>> To: <kitfox-list@m
atronics.com>> Sent: Wednesday=2C August 06=2C 2008 4:10 PM> Subject: Kitfo
tter" <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>> >> > Hi Folks=3B> >> > Just completed my tur
tle deck today but have not yet installed the hinge. > > Question=3B is the
hinge needed???????? After fabricating the turtledeck > > windows to be wa
tertight it appears that the hinge will be a sieve. Are > > there any fit-u
p issues which require the hinge or can I join the two > > sided together w
ith a solid (and waterproof) joint.> >> > Cheers and thanks in advance for
your advice> >> > Ken Potter> > Kitfox II=2C No. 483> > Rotax 583=2C C Box>
>> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.c
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| Subject: | My First Ground Loop |
Not that this is what happened to you! but if you have not lined the fox up
on the runway you will go hard to the left or right!! hard surface is not
a problem=2C just have to have happy feet on the rudder and make sure your
goiung straight.
Ray> Subject: Kitfox-List: My First Ground Loop> From: rawheels@yahoo.com>
last night for what was supposed to be my last lesson before getting my ta
ilwheel endorsement. Went over to do some hard surface work=2C and the firs
t two landings were squirrelly. Third landing the aircraft just darted left
=2C with full right brake and rudder nothing would stop it. Right flaperon
touched the ground and the tailwheel is cocked to the left. CFI thinks the
bolt on the tail wheel broke and that is what caused it to shoot left=2C bu
t I'm not sure. Landing on pavement the aircraft was really grabby. It will
take some convincing before I want to go on pavement again. Need a 12 step
program=3B loppers anonymous. > > Ryan Wheeler> Kitfox IV-1200> > > > > Re
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck Hinge |
Ken after looking at other turtle decks I decided the same thing. I
installed a one piece aluminum turtle deck w/o windows and screwed it
down tight.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Potter<mailto:kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Turtle Deck Hinge
<kjpotter@sympatico.ca<mailto:kjpotter@sympatico.ca>>
Hi Folks;
Just completed my turtle deck today but have not yet installed the
hinge. Question; is the hinge needed???????? After fabricating the
turtledeck windows to be watertight it appears that the hinge will be a
sieve. Are there any fit-up issues which require the hinge or can I join
the two sided together with a solid (and waterproof) joint.
Cheers and thanks in advance for your advice
Ken Potter
Kitfox II, No. 483
Rotax 583, C Box
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Landing and engine pictures |
Michel,
As you know I am now flying in Jabiru country and a good friend of mine is
the Jabiru Support man for S.Australia.
I recently replaced my Jab2200 S/No.340 for a new engine - nothing wrong
with mine but I found that there had been many changes to the 2200A during
it's evolution. ie) larger fine finned heads, larger carby and induction
system with more economical fuel burn, slightly increased HP etc/ And
finally hydraulic lifters.
When I went to place the order for the engine my Jab Tech. friend told me
that I would be better off buying a Zero timed re-build of the solid
lifter engine rather than the new hydraulic as the general consensus was
that the Solid Lifter engine was more reliable and better performing. I
managed to speak to the factory engineer and he also confirmed that in his
opinion the solid lifter was a better engine. (Price diff was only $1500 @
$11,500 vs $13,000
On that basis I ordered the solid lifter engine
The Hydraulic lifter engine evidently has problems with cam lagg and this
results in inconsistent performance - this presents no failure issue just
a performance variation on some installations.
The only reason they went to hydraulic lifters was to do away with the
valve (tappet) adjustment required with the solid lifter engine.
I certainly wouldn't be concerned at this stage as I see 4 x trainers
flying from my field every day of the week with Jab2200A power plants and
they get a hell of a thrashing - all have made recommended TBO's and the
operators love them. The Sportstar's with the 912S also operated at
Aldinga Airfield have unfortunately been prone to gearbox failures and
have a somewhat tarnished reputation. In Canada the 912 was the engine of
choice and service history is excellent so it's a pretty subjective
argument.
I have sent Foto of Lynns modified timing gear to my friend at the Jabiru
factory and will update the list on the response I get from him
Regards
Gary
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My dear Lynn,
First I thought to write to you directly but since we are a nice and
friendly family on this list ... here it goes.
First let me say that I admire the way you take your engine failure in a
light and positive way. (I only wish I could take the consequences of my
heart failure the same way).
We have seen on the Jabiru list people who experienced problems with their
engine and went in a destructive way head-on against the company and their
agents. The truth is - and as someone else pointed out here - any engine
can suffer failure; Murphy made sure of that - may his name be cursed in
one hundred generations! :-)
Because it looks like I will never get back a pilot license, I will
probably be a right-seater with my son. But because I value his life more
than my own, I need now to make sure that the Jabiru is something we can
still fly without unreasonable fear.
My question then is: Am I right to say that you have the hydraulic lifters
Jabiru? Do you think that your engine failure can have something to do
with that or am I as much in danger to see such a failure with my old
mechanical lifters?
You see, the Norwegian country is not as flat as Michigan and the
cornfields - if any - are the size of postal stamps (well, at least - seen
from above! :-)
In Germany, without medical, I could fly this:
http://silentfamily.de/index.php?id=12
But Norway doesn't have the same rule. The reason it is accepted in
Germany is that the empty weight of that funny motor-glider is only 108
kg.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... but grounded.
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| Subject: | 91 octane, time to be heard! |
If you are happy with just 100LL stop here. You won't like where this is going.
This effects us all even in other countries because one tends to follow the other
at some point.
If you are tired of someone saying we can't have 91 octane, read on. It's time
to pick a side and take 5 minutes to email. Our lives as people are good because
someone didn't just say ok. Some took the time to make change and made it better
for all of us. If we choose to sit on the sideline and just go along then
we deserve what we get. I would implore all to take a minute and email these
two people and any other fuel administrator in other companies. I will post on
as many aviation websites as possible and I would you all to pick a side and
stand up to be heard and maybe, just maybe we might effect change. I for one
don't want to roll over. You are about to read a bulletin about the use of Chevron
ground fuel verses aviation fuel. Then I have a response.
Don't sit back and pick my memo apart, use that time to write your own and be heard.
Post this on all your aviation websites. Let them hear a nation wide voice.
Send your emails to:
LIMG(at)chevron.com
kayalbitz(at)chevron.com
or any other fuel company administrator.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
Ryan
I have about 750 hrs now on Kitfox's and I can still remember my first
few landings on Tarmac - at the time I had lot's of tricycle time and of
course I was a "highly experienced" 1/3rd scale RC modeller (specifically
tail wheel) so I assumed it would be a breeze! Talk about wrong on all
counts.
My tailwheel training was given to me by the local Kitfox sales guy and
all he wanted to do was get me off his hands so when he signed me off I
still couldn't make a straight line up the runway and usually ended up
horsing it of the ground just to put an end to the torture.
This all sounds pretty dramatic but for the life of me I couldn't get it
right - (Same for landing)
Then an experienced Kitfox pilot went with me and immediately solved my
problems - I was aligning the tapered sides of the Kitfox nose with the
centre-line of the run way so in effect, on take off and landing I was
trying to slip the plane in a crabbed position. As soon as he pointed this
out I put a small piece of tape on the windscreen that aligned with the
runway centre-line in my normal seating position. After about a dozen
landings I threw the tape away.
Since then I've never had a problem - I even landed at the Sudbury airport
with a completely flat tire and kept her straight until almost stopped
(No ground loop)
Hope this helps
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
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"rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
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Kitfox-List: Re: My First Ground Loop
Thanks for the responses:
TAPE: How do you align the tape; just set up on the runway and lay it
down?
GEAR: Yeah, regular tube gear. I saw the grove gear on the units up at
Oshkosh. Looks really nice, but out of the price range right now. I'll
have to see if I have the alignment instructions, and check out my set-up.
TIRES: I'm not sure if they are original or not. They are pretty small.
Max Press is like 25 lbs, and I have them filled to around 20 psi. Can
7-10 be right?
Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Landing and engine pictures |
Lynn
The head engine builder (Don) at Jabiru just called me and we ran thru
your timing gear failure.
Jabiru Australia have one (1) reported Crankshaft Timing gear failure and
this happened three years ago at Innisfil (S.Australia) on a Jab2200
powered lightwing.
The gear was inspected at Jabiru and heat treat and mfg were all within
spec. There were no signs of contamination between the gears and the final
consensus was that the operator may have been experiencing pre-ignition or
was running with a loose flywheel which could have over-stressed the gear.
The gear only runs the camshaft at a 2:1 ratio and is very lightly loaded
so with over 1500 units in operation and only one recorded failure that
could not be attributed to component overstress no service directive was
issued.
They have released directives to ensure all fly-wheel bolts are correctly
torqued.
Sorry I couldn't get you a more definitive answer but it appears that this
might have been a 1 off (or 2 - off)
best regards
Gary
Gary Algate
Kitfox Classic 4 2200A
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck Hinge |
Mine...with a LP Aeroplastics domed window installed....just barely
fits inside the cabin, but I have to pad the corners to prevent
scratching the side windows. But it WILL fit without folding the hinge.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
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> Ken,
>
> The reason for the hinge is so when trailering, the turtle deck
> will fit inside the cockpit on the seat. I don't think there is
> any other reason.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Potter"
> <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:10 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Turtle Deck Hinge
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>> <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
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>> Hi Folks;
>>
>> Just completed my turtle deck today but have not yet installed the
>> hinge. Question; is the hinge needed???????? After fabricating
>> the turtledeck windows to be watertight it appears that the hinge
>> will be a sieve. Are there any fit-up issues which require the
>> hinge or can I join the two sided together with a solid (and
>> waterproof) joint.
>>
>> Cheers and thanks in advance for your advice
>>
>> Ken Potter
>> Kitfox II, No. 483
>> Rotax 583, C Box
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196988#196988
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| Subject: | Re: My First Ground Loop |
I had some of the ground handling problems until I moved the attach point in
about half way to the rudder which is an early post. After 300hrs I moved
them back.
However at Oshkosh I had a conversation with a very knoledgable pilot/Kitfox
pilot he had a very bad expenence with an Avid tail wheel plane. ( Maul
tailwheel same as mine).
The just of a number of atemps to land which all were yanked off the runway
by because of severe turn (ground loop) in the end he managed to land ok. He
found that with the plane in the hanger the tail raised you could push the
rudder an unlock the tail wheel and not be able to recenter it. he did not
think it possable in the fox by check yours.
Paul N102DG
Kitfox IV
----- Original Message -----
From: "rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: My First Ground Loop
>
> Went up last night for what was supposed to be my last lesson before
> getting my tailwheel endorsement. Went over to do some hard surface work,
> and the first two landings were squirrelly. Third landing the aircraft
> just darted left, with full right brake and rudder nothing would stop it.
> Right flaperon touched the ground and the tailwheel is cocked to the left.
> CFI thinks the bolt on the tail wheel broke and that is what caused it to
> shoot left, but I'm not sure. Landing on pavement the aircraft was really
> grabby. It will take some convincing before I want to go on pavement
> again. Need a 12 step program; loppers anonymous.
>
> Ryan Wheeler
> Kitfox IV-1200
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196853#196853
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| Subject: | Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
Roger sez:
>Don't sit back and pick my memo apart, use that time to write your
>own and be heard. Post this on all your aviation websites. Let them
>hear a nation wide voice.
I appreciate your concern over fuel issues but I think you need to
keep in mind Chevron's motivations. I'm certain that their position
on auto fuel use in aircraft is largely driven by their attorney's
concerns over liability. They have now provided notice that they do
not approve of the use of their ground fuels in aircraft so they can
say as much in court if they are ever sued following an accident.
So, they've covered their backside. Go back to using whatever fuel
you have determined is appropriate for your application.
Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ
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