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1. 02:31 AM - Re: Modifications to the Kitfox (dcsfoto)
2. 02:39 AM - Re: Hanger / workshop photo's... (jlfernan)
3. 05:02 AM - Re: Modifications to the Kitfox (fox5flyer)
4. 05:34 AM - Re: Modifications to the Kitfox (fox5flyer)
5. 07:01 AM - Re: Wheel pants (Lynn Matteson)
6. 07:19 AM - Re: need a matco disc brake cylinder (Roger Circle)
7. 07:22 AM - Re: Timing gear (Lynn Matteson)
8. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: need a matco disc brake cylinder (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
9. 08:12 AM - Looking for Aluminum header tank (Beemer)
10. 08:36 AM - Re: Hanger / workshop photo's... (Tom Jones)
11. 08:59 AM - Re: Wheel pants - Skis? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
12. 11:44 AM - Large Cargo Pod (The Eathertons)
13. 12:32 PM - Re: Timing gear (Michel Verheughe)
14. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: need a matco disc brake cylinder (jeff puls)
15. 01:26 PM - Re: Wheel pants - Skis? (Lynn Matteson)
16. 02:59 PM - Dash mounting bushings? (Bob Brennan)
17. 03:21 PM - Re: Dash mounting bushings? (jdmcbean)
18. 03:54 PM - Re: Dash mounting bushings? (Lynn Matteson)
19. 03:57 PM - Re: Wheel pants (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
20. 03:57 PM - Re: Looking for Aluminum header tank (patrick reilly)
21. 04:09 PM - Re: Model II Cabin Heater (patrick reilly)
22. 04:21 PM - KitFox Fuel Starvation (Dale Orth)
23. 04:28 PM - Spray booth?? (Dave)
24. 04:34 PM - Re: KitFox Fuel Starvation (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
25. 04:34 PM - Change in Supersport build manual (jlfernan)
26. 04:36 PM - Re: Dash mounting bushings? (Bob Brennan)
27. 04:42 PM - Re: KitFox Fuel Starvation (Dale Orth)
28. 04:46 PM - Re: KitFox Fuel Starvation (kirk hull)
29. 04:54 PM - Re: Spray booth?? (Larry Huntley)
30. 04:59 PM - Re: Spray booth?? (Zimmermans)
31. 05:03 PM - Re: Timing gear (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
32. 05:08 PM - Re: KitFox Fuel Starvation (Roger McConnell)
33. 05:08 PM - Re: Spray booth?? (Tom Jones)
34. 05:50 PM - Re: Spray booth?? (Dan Billingsley)
35. 06:35 PM - Re: KitFox Fuel Starvation (Lowell Fitt)
36. 07:32 PM - Re: Spray booth?? (mdkitfox@aol.com)
37. 07:54 PM - Re: KitFox Fuel Starvation (Roger Lee)
38. 08:47 PM - Re: Spray booth?? (Marin Streeter)
39. 09:51 PM - Re: Dash mounting bushings? (Michael Gibbs)
40. 11:11 PM - Re: Dash mounting bushings? (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Re: Modifications to the Kitfox |
you only need an A&P to do the "condition inspection"
you need to write the FAA if you make major changes,change engine type,prop type
(ground adjust to inflight adjust ect)
David
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger / workshop photo's... |
My kit finally came in so I can post my workshop.
(http://imageshack.us)
--------
Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Just starting!
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| Subject: | Re: Modifications to the Kitfox |
I guess I would look at welding in new floor tubing as a major
structural change that would require an "expert" to look it over and
sign off. Of course, new instruments probably wouldn't be under that.
Then again, I'm not a Fed so I guess it would take a Fed to chime in on
that.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:38 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Modifications to the Kitfox
My understanding is a bit different, the AnP is only required for the
yearly conditional inspection. I believe anyone can do anything with an
experimental aircraft but a major change like an engine or prop change
must be reported to the FAA and the plane has to go back into phase one
flight test for as long as the FAA says. Check the archives, this has
come up before. I have changed engines on both of my Avids, one
required a FAA inspection because it was under the old set of
experimental rules, the other Avid had the newer type airworthyness
cert. and no inspection was done, but both planes had to go back into
phase one for 10 or 15 hrs. It doesn't sound like the work done was a
major change. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building, Avids flying. MN
> From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Modifications to the Kitfox
> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:47:01 -0400
>
<fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Absolutely, or if you can find the original builder, that person can
sign it
> off.
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Jolene" <brucejolene@iowatelecom.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 2:26 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Modifications to the Kitfox
>
>
> > <brucejolene@iowatelecom.net>
> >
> > I have replaced some fabric and had a floor tube welded plus added
some
> > instruments.
> > I am not the original builder.
> >
> > Does an A & P mechanic have to sign off on the changes?
> >
> > Bruce
> > 490PA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Landing and engine pictures
> >
> >
<fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> >>
> >> That valve appears to be ready to let go at any time, Lynn. Good
catch!
> >> Deke Morisse
> >> Mikado Michigan
> >> S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
> >> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> >> progress."
> >> - Joseph Joubert
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:22 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Landing and engine pictures
> >>
> >>
> >>> I'd like to do that, Gary. But first I want to wait until I get
some
> >>> word from the Jabiru dealer to see if they want to see the
pieces. If
> >>> not, I'll get in touch with you and send them off.
> >>>
> >>> I think the only contaminant that got between the teeth was
another
> >>> one of the teeth. : )
> >>>
> >>> Even the intake valve that was hit by the piston is still
without
> >>> runout when spun in my lathe, but a local aircraft engine
rebuilder
> >>> magnafluxed it and said it looked like it had cracks, but that
it
> >>> might have been where the head was spun-welded onto the stem,
and
> >>> that he would not use it. And to that I gave a big amen, 'cause
I
> >>> sure as hell WASN'T gonna put that back into the engine, even if
I
> >>> got a "good to go report" from the magnaflux check. See picture:
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I certainly didn't need the 'flux job to tell me not to use this
> >>> valve, but I also couldn't determine what the "scratchy-looking"
> >>> marks were. My best guess is that very hard metal was flexed,
and
> >>> where the flex occurred, the edges flaked off, leaving a slight
> >>> crater which shows up as a scratch.
> >>>
> >>> The guides are worn to their allowable tolerances, but the valve
> >>> stems are right on specs. The valve "wobble test" told me more
than
> >>> the micrometer did, and I plan on getting the heads done...new
valves
> >>> and guides. The local aircraft engine guy said he thought they'd
make
> >>> it to the 1000 hr suggested head overhaul time, but certainly
not
> >>> with the one valve looking like it does. His estimate was based
on
> >>> the appearance of the guides, valves, and the wobble test, and
his
> >>> experience in the field.
> >>>
> >>> Lynn Matteson
> >>> Kitfox IV Speedster
> >>> Jabiru 2200
> >>> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> >>> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:54 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Lynn
> >>>>
> >>>> If you would like to send the broken gear to my office in
Barrie,
> >>>> Ontario I can have our metallurgist take a look at it. We can
do
> >>>> carbon analysis and have metallurgical inspection as my people
> >>>> there are qualified in fatigue analysis for our drilling
products.
> >>>>
> >>>> Might show something!
> >>>>
> >>>> the only other thing that the jab people here could come up
with
> >>>> was some sort of contaminant in the oil etc that jammed between
the
> >>>> teeth. After reading your posts I find that highly unlikely!
> >>>>
> >>>> How were the rest of your pistons and valves?
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary Algate
> >>>> SMC, Exploration
> >>>> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Modifications to the Kitfox |
Never mind, Jim, you convinced me. I've thought about this and
replacing the tubing is probably not a structural change. Only a repair
and I wouldn't consider that something that needs an AP signoff. It
does seem to me to be sort of a gray area that might be a good idea to
bounce off the FSDO for insurance purposes. But, there I go again...
:-)
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Modifications to the Kitfox
I guess I would look at welding in new floor tubing as a major
structural change that would require an "expert" to look it over and
sign off. Of course, new instruments probably wouldn't be under that.
Then again, I'm not a Fed so I guess it would take a Fed to chime in on
that.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:38 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Modifications to the Kitfox
My understanding is a bit different, the AnP is only required for
the yearly conditional inspection. I believe anyone can do anything
with an experimental aircraft but a major change like an engine or prop
change must be reported to the FAA and the plane has to go back into
phase one flight test for as long as the FAA says. Check the archives,
this has come up before. I have changed engines on both of my Avids,
one required a FAA inspection because it was under the old set of
experimental rules, the other Avid had the newer type airworthyness
cert. and no inspection was done, but both planes had to go back into
phase one for 10 or 15 hrs. It doesn't sound like the work done was a
major change. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building, Avids flying. MN
> From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Modifications to the Kitfox
> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:47:01 -0400
>
<fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Absolutely, or if you can find the original builder, that person
can sign it
> off.
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Jolene" <brucejolene@iowatelecom.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 2:26 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Modifications to the Kitfox
>
>
> > <brucejolene@iowatelecom.net>
> >
> > I have replaced some fabric and had a floor tube welded plus
added some
> > instruments.
> > I am not the original builder.
> >
> > Does an A & P mechanic have to sign off on the changes?
> >
> > Bruce
> > 490PA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Landing and engine pictures
> >
> >
<fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> >>
> >> That valve appears to be ready to let go at any time, Lynn.
Good catch!
> >> Deke Morisse
> >> Mikado Michigan
> >> S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
> >> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory,
but
> >> progress."
> >> - Joseph Joubert
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:22 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Landing and engine pictures
> >>
> >>
> >>> I'd like to do that, Gary. But first I want to wait until I
get some
> >>> word from the Jabiru dealer to see if they want to see the
pieces. If
> >>> not, I'll get in touch with you and send them off.
> >>>
> >>> I think the only contaminant that got between the teeth was
another
> >>> one of the teeth. : )
> >>>
> >>> Even the intake valve that was hit by the piston is still
without
> >>> runout when spun in my lathe, but a local aircraft engine
rebuilder
> >>> magnafluxed it and said it looked like it had cracks, but that
it
> >>> might have been where the head was spun-welded onto the stem,
and
> >>> that he would not use it. And to that I gave a big amen,
'cause I
> >>> sure as hell WASN'T gonna put that back into the engine, even
if I
> >>> got a "good to go report" from the magnaflux check. See
picture:
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I certainly didn't need the 'flux job to tell me not to use
this
> >>> valve, but I also couldn't determine what the
"scratchy-looking"
> >>> marks were. My best guess is that very hard metal was flexed,
and
> >>> where the flex occurred, the edges flaked off, leaving a
slight
> >>> crater which shows up as a scratch.
> >>>
> >>> The guides are worn to their allowable tolerances, but the
valve
> >>> stems are right on specs. The valve "wobble test" told me more
than
> >>> the micrometer did, and I plan on getting the heads done...new
valves
> >>> and guides. The local aircraft engine guy said he thought
they'd make
> >>> it to the 1000 hr suggested head overhaul time, but certainly
not
> >>> with the one valve looking like it does. His estimate was
based on
> >>> the appearance of the guides, valves, and the wobble test, and
his
> >>> experience in the field.
> >>>
> >>> Lynn Matteson
> >>> Kitfox IV Speedster
> >>> Jabiru 2200
> >>> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> >>> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:54 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Lynn
> >>>>
> >>>> If you would like to send the broken gear to my office in
Barrie,
> >>>> Ontario I can have our metallurgist take a look at it. We can
do
> >>>> carbon analysis and have metallurgical inspection as my
people
> >>>> there are qualified in fatigue analysis for our drilling
products.
> >>>>
> >>>> Might show something!
> >>>>
> >>>> the only other thing that the jab people here could come up
with
> >>>> was some sort of contaminant in the oil etc that jammed
between the
> >>>> teeth. After reading your posts I find that highly unlikely!
> >>>>
> >>>> How were the rest of your pistons and valves?
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary Algate
> >>>> SMC, Exploration
> >>>> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi Gary-
Basically what I did was to cut and fit. It helps if you can find the
very tiny dimple on the outside of the pant where the outer support
spindle hole is to be drilled. I found it on mine, and drilled this
hole, then it was a matter of nibbling away at the inner areas of the
pant until they cleared the obstructions as you observed. I ran a 1x4
board from the bottom of the wheel back to the tailwheel to mimic the
ground, then oriented the pant radially so the bottom became parallel
with this board. (Just as an aside, I made my pants just a wee bit
too close to the ground, and am always wary of transiting from grass
to runway, and vice versa. And low tire pressure can be damaging too.
I was too concerned with the tire sticking out and causing drag.) At
first I cut too much fiberglas away and had to build the area back
up. The second pant went much easier. I reinforced the areas (with .
032" aluminum as I recall) where the mounting bolts go through the
'glas, and in fact used nutplates for mounting the machine screws. I
imbedded the aluminum plates in fiberglas cloth and resin, keeping
the screw holes clean with grease. I made a U-shaped reinforcing
plate that surrounds the whole cut-out, and extends to the bottom of
the pant. Then I made a cover plate that ties the bottom of the pant
front-to-rear, and a slot in that to allow the brake line to exit.
The last picture shows the bottom cover/fairing that displays a less-
than-elegant landing that I made in a 19-35 mph crosswind in
Tennessee last year.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 11, 2008, at 1:48 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Lynn
>
> I am in the process of fitting the pants - the instructional
> drawings are pretty poor and I don't quite understand the process
> re cutting the inside of the pants for the gear legs. Do you just
> cut enough fibreglass away to clear the obstructions (gear leg and
> brake lines etc) and then use the aluminum covers to cover the
> opening with the bent lip at the bottom. As you have the Grove
> gear this probably makes no sense at all so if anybody else has the
> tube gear and wheel pants I'd love your comments.
>
> For the record I am a mechanical engineer and these instructions
> have me beat!
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 Jab2200A
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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| Subject: | Re: need a matco disc brake cylinder |
Jim -- I had the same crack appear in my cast aluminum puck housing. The threads
are tapered, and it's easy to over-tighten the fittings causing the crack. Matco
has discontinued the cast housing and replaced it with a very nice machined
unit. It has the same hole placements as the original cast type, so it's an
easy swap. I bought new pucks, puck housings, fittings and brake lines for a
quite reasonable price from Matco.
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Yeah that was a real interesting period in the Jabiru history. There
was a lot of back and forth among the Yahoo Jabiru Engine group,
involving a spirited debate among several people, one of whom was
quite "vocal", and it turns out he didn't even own an engine. It all
revolved around how much to torque the bolts...how much it took
before they stretched, how much 620 Loctite to put on the threads,
where to put it, etc....and finally it died down and went away. I
followed the Service Bulletin as did Michel in Norway, he even going
so far as to post his pictures in his site, I believe. He can
probably fill us in better on his involvement...Michel?
Bottom line for me was that I had the larger bolts and the dowels
already in place, and only had to change the bolts, Loctite, and re-
torque to comply with the SB. That was in Dec. of 2006, back when I
had about...guessing....175 hours on the engine.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:27 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Interesting comments here re fretting of crank and timing gear for
> engines with the smaller flywheel bolts and no dowels. Sounds as
> though even the new recommended torque settings might be understated?
>
> Regards
>
> Gary
>
> http://contrails.free.fr/engine_jab_bolts.php
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
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| Subject: | Re: need a matco disc brake cylinder |
After I place the wanted add=2C I called Matco=2C (which I should have done
first) and the new casting was only $25 so I ordered one. It will probab
ly show up today. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building=2C Avids flying. Mn> Subjec
t: Kitfox-List: Re: need a matco disc brake cylinder> From: roger@prophetro
ck.com> Date: Mon=2C 11 Aug 2008 07:19:41 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.
.com>> > Jim -- I had the same crack appear in my cast aluminum puck housin
g. The threads are tapered=2C and it's easy to over-tighten the fittings ca
using the crack. Matco has discontinued the cast housing and replaced it wi
th a very nice machined unit. It has the same hole placements as the origin
al cast type=2C so it's an easy swap. I bought new pucks=2C puck housings
=2C fittings and brake lines for a quite reasonable price from Matco.> > >
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| Subject: | Looking for Aluminum header tank |
Would anyone, by chance, have an unmolested aluminum 1.5 gallon header tank that
they'd like to part with? I'm in need of one for my Model 2.
I'm hoping one of you using the behind-the-seat tank would have one of the factory
units lying around the hanger gathering dust.
Thanks,
Bradley
--------
Beemer
KF2 (and now an M3!)
Middle Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger / workshop photo's... |
> My kit finally came in so I can post my workshop.
The freshly uncrated kitfox kit. That brings back some fond memories of an exciting
time!
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Wheel pants - Skis? |
Lynn,
In one picture there is an extra plate on the back of the Grove gear with a
threaded hole in it. Is this for a specific purpose?
I am interested in putting skis on my plane at some point and this looks
like a step in that direction.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel pants
Hi Gary-
Basically what I did was to cut and fit. It helps if you can find the
very tiny dimple on the outside of the pant where the outer support
spindle hole is to be drilled. I found it on mine, and drilled this
hole, then it was a matter of nibbling away at the inner areas of the
pant until they cleared the obstructions as you observed. I ran a 1x4
board from the bottom of the wheel back to the tailwheel to mimic the
ground, then oriented the pant radially so the bottom became parallel
with this board. (Just as an aside, I made my pants just a wee bit
too close to the ground, and am always wary of transiting from grass
to runway, and vice versa. And low tire pressure can be damaging too.
I was too concerned with the tire sticking out and causing drag.) At
first I cut too much fiberglas away and had to build the area back
up. The second pant went much easier. I reinforced the areas (with .
032" aluminum as I recall) where the mounting bolts go through the
'glas, and in fact used nutplates for mounting the machine screws. I
imbedded the aluminum plates in fiberglas cloth and resin, keeping
the screw holes clean with grease. I made a U-shaped reinforcing
plate that surrounds the whole cut-out, and extends to the bottom of
the pant. Then I made a cover plate that ties the bottom of the pant
front-to-rear, and a slot in that to allow the brake line to exit.
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Still looking for a large cargo pod. Attached a picture from an old
Kitfox sales video. Saw and talked to several of you at Oshkosh, but no
one seems to have a large cargo pod or have any information. Currently
bulding a Model III. I did ask this question earlier and got lots of
information on the torpedo style pod. Willing to buy one or if all else
fails more pictures and build my own.
Jason Eatherton
Model III 582
Under Construction
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> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> He can probably fill us in better on his involvement...Michel?
Well, when the Service Bulletin came, I rang my Norwegian Jabiru dealer and asked
him how to procede. I did exactly what he told me, then published it with photos
in the purpose to make it easier for other owners.
But then someone meant that I should not have used the old bolts but buy new ones.
Perhaps but the SB doesn't mention that and ... where to buy such bolts in
a tiny country like Norway?
Anyway, the Yahoo Jabiru list had a few people who were out to do as many damage
as possible and even one - as Lynn says - who didn't even own a Jabiru motor
but ... he was quite good at writing and spreading doubt about the engine.
Unlike Lynn who gets high on the smell of engine oil, I don't know much about those
things. But I can't understand why a company - any company - refuses customer
support. It doesn't make sense and the world in not divided into the stupid
bad people and the intelligent nice ones. Any engine manufacturer wish his
customers to be pleased because hangar talk is the best marketing tool in sport
aviation.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded for the moment
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| Subject: | Re: need a matco disc brake cylinder |
Is this the same Roger Circle that was featured in Sport Pilot years ago.
You flew up to Michigan with a group of pilots and lived in Indiana at the
time. If you are do you still have your Model II? Jeff KTZR Classic IV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Circle" <roger@prophetrock.com>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:19 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need a matco disc brake cylinder
>
> Jim -- I had the same crack appear in my cast aluminum puck housing. The
> threads are tapered, and it's easy to over-tighten the fittings causing
> the crack. Matco has discontinued the cast housing and replaced it with a
> very nice machined unit. It has the same hole placements as the original
> cast type, so it's an easy swap. I bought new pucks, puck housings,
> fittings and brake lines for a quite reasonable price from Matco.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197873#197873
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants - Skis? |
Yup, that's what it is...a ski mount pivot plate. I used 3/4"
diameter custom-made bolt...sort of like a shoulder bolt, (also know
as a stripper bolt in the punch press circles)...and the inner
support for the ski pivots on this bolt. The threads are 5/8"-18 NF.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Lynn,
> In one picture there is an extra plate on the back of the Grove
> gear with a
> threaded hole in it. Is this for a specific purpose?
>
> I am interested in putting skis on my plane at some point and this
> looks
> like a step in that direction.
>
> Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 7:53 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel pants
>
> Hi Gary-
> Basically what I did was to cut and fit. It helps if you can find the
> very tiny dimple on the outside of the pant where the outer support
> spindle hole is to be drilled. I found it on mine, and drilled this
> hole, then it was a matter of nibbling away at the inner areas of the
> pant until they cleared the obstructions as you observed. I ran a 1x4
> board from the bottom of the wheel back to the tailwheel to mimic the
> ground, then oriented the pant radially so the bottom became parallel
> with this board. (Just as an aside, I made my pants just a wee bit
> too close to the ground, and am always wary of transiting from grass
> to runway, and vice versa. And low tire pressure can be damaging too.
> I was too concerned with the tire sticking out and causing drag.) At
> first I cut too much fiberglas away and had to build the area back
> up. The second pant went much easier. I reinforced the areas (with .
> 032" aluminum as I recall) where the mounting bolts go through the
> 'glas, and in fact used nutplates for mounting the machine screws. I
> imbedded the aluminum plates in fiberglas cloth and resin, keeping
> the screw holes clean with grease. I made a U-shaped reinforcing
> plate that surrounds the whole cut-out, and extends to the bottom of
> the pant. Then I made a cover plate that ties the bottom of the pant
> front-to-rear, and a slot in that to allow the brake line to exit.
>
>
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| Subject: | Dash mounting bushings? |
This should be an easy answer - the dash on my Kitfox II is held on by 4
shock-absorbing rubber thingies, 2 of which are pretty much shot. I need to
order new ones from Aircraft Spruce, or whoever carries them, but I don't
know what they are called. Searching for "dashboard shock-absorbing rubber
mounting thingies" doesn't work ;-)
I have attached a section of borrowed image from a previous list posting,
hopefully the original poster won't mind but it's a perfect shot. The
"thingie" is in the center.
Thanks in advance,
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Dash mounting bushings? |
Give a shout.. we have them..
97006 is our part number.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Dash mounting bushings?
This should be an easy answer - the dash on my Kitfox II is held on by 4
shock-absorbing rubber thingies, 2 of which are pretty much shot. I need to
order new ones from Aircraft Spruce, or whoever carries them, but I don't
know what they are called. Searching for "dashboard shock-absorbing rubber
mounting thingies" doesn't work ;-)
I have attached a section of borrowed image from a previous list posting,
hopefully the original poster won't mind but it's a perfect shot. The
"thingie" is in the center.
Thanks in advance,
Bob Brennan
1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Dash mounting bushings? |
They're called Lord mounts....Lord knows why. Sorry...I couldn't
resist...
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:22 PM, jdmcbean wrote:
> Give a shout.. we have them..
>
>
> 97006 is our part number
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> Ph 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:58 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Dash mounting bushings?
>
>
> This should be an easy answer - the dash on my Kitfox II is held on
> by 4 shock-absorbing rubber thingies, 2 of which are pretty much
> shot. I need to order new ones from Aircraft Spruce, or whoever
> carries them, but I don't know what they are called. Searching for
> "dashboard shock-absorbing rubber mounting thingies" doesn't work ;-)
>
>
> I have attached a section of borrowed image from a previous list
> posting, hopefully the original poster won't mind but it's a
> perfect shot. The "thingie" is in the center.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Bob Brennan
>
> 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
>
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>
> Wrightsville Pa
>
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Lynn
Thanks for the step by step instructions and photos - that is exactly what
I needed.
best regards
Gary
Gary Algate
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| Subject: | Looking for Aluminum header tank |
Bradley=2C Not sure which tank you are looking for. I have a Mod 3 with an
aluminum tank hung high on the frams behind the seats that I might sell if
it is the one you are looking for.
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Looking for Aluminum header tank> Fro
m: bmwebb@cox.net> Date: Mon=2C 11 Aug 2008 08:12:11 -0700> To: kitfox-list
et>> > Would anyone=2C by chance=2C have an unmolested aluminum 1.5 gallon
header tank that they'd like to part with? I'm in need of one for my Model
2.> > I'm hoping one of you using the behind-the-seat tank would have one o
f the factory units lying around the hanger gathering dust.> > Thanks=2C> B
radley> > --------> Beemer> KF2 (and now an M3!)> Middle Georgia> > > > > R
ead this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
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| Subject: | Model II Cabin Heater |
Bryan=2C I am installing a heater core from a Pontiac Fiero with a 12 V com
puter cooling fan from Radio Shack. I had to fabricate mounts from aluminum
angle. Haven't used it yet but should work. Do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
From: asq@roadrunner.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-Li
st: Model II Cabin HeaterDate: Sun=2C 10 Aug 2008 15:20:25 -0400
I use a small core w/ 2 muffin fans. Unit came from JCWhitney. Works fine.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Quinton
Sent: Sunday=2C August 10=2C 2008 2:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model II Cabin Heater
I am looking to put cabin heat in my model II. Does anyone know a good plac
e to get a compact heater core type with a built in fan? I have heard I may
be able to find one in RV or Marine sites=2C but to date I have had no luc
k.
Thanks=2C
Bryan
Modell II 582
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| Subject: | KitFox Fuel Starvation |
I just bought a KitFox 7. Flying it home I experienced low fuel pressure on the
digital readout 3 different times. Do 912's vapor lock?? Is the Fuel Pump going
out?? Even with the Boost Pump the pressure was low. It always happened after
about 2 1/2 - 3 hrs. of flight. Any ideas???
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I've been spraying the fill/uv coats (ekofill in my case, Stewarts,
lovely stuff NO fumes) and I'm thinking a spray booth would help me keep
the other items in the garage clean. The overspray even with HVLP gets
all over.
Has anyone got pictures, drawings, recommendations for a temporary,
inexpensive and ultimately disposable spray booth?
Dave G.
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| Subject: | Re: KitFox Fuel Starvation |
Probably a stupid question but are the breathers in your fuel caps clear?
regards
Gary
Gary Algate
Classic 4 jab2200A
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Subject
Kitfox-List: KitFox Fuel Starvation
I just bought a KitFox 7. Flying it home I experienced low fuel pressure
on the digital readout 3 different times. Do 912's vapor lock?? Is the
Fuel Pump going out?? Even with the Boost Pump the pressure was low. It
always happened after about 2 1/2 - 3 hrs. of flight. Any ideas???
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| Subject: | Change in Supersport build manual |
I was fitting the ribs to the elevators and thought I was short two. After a call
to John at Kitfox, turns out the measurements as to where to locate the ribs
on the elevators and HS have changed. He said the way I have it is fine, except
for one extra rib. If you have not epoxied yours in yet, you might want to
call them to get the updated measurements.
--------
Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Just starting!
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| Subject: | Dash mounting bushings? |
Lordy! They are indeed. Now why didn't I know that!? It's such an obvious
name...
I could think of many other parts of the airplane that would be more
appropriately named Lord Mounts, 'cause their failure could make a meeting
with the Lord sooner than one may have wanted. But not *panel* mounts!
Thanks Lynn
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: 11 August 2008 6:54 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Dash mounting bushings?
They're called Lord mounts....Lord knows why. Sorry...I couldn't
resist...
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:22 PM, jdmcbean wrote:
> Give a shout.. we have them..
>
>
> 97006 is our part number.
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> Ph 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:58 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Dash mounting bushings?
>
>
> This should be an easy answer - the dash on my Kitfox II is held on
> by 4 shock-absorbing rubber thingies, 2 of which are pretty much
> shot. I need to order new ones from Aircraft Spruce, or whoever
> carries them, but I don't know what they are called. Searching for
> "dashboard shock-absorbing rubber mounting thingies" doesn't work ;-)
>
>
> I have attached a section of borrowed image from a previous list
> posting, hopefully the original poster won't mind but it's a
> perfect shot. The "thingie" is in the center.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Bob Brennan
>
> 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox
>
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>
> Wrightsville Pa
>
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| Subject: | Re: KitFox Fuel Starvation |
My fuel cap vents are wide open. I'm going to watch it closely and when the red
light comes on I'll keep the power up, over an Airport of course and see if I
lose power. If I don't lose power it might be a sending unit problem. Thanks
for the response.
Dale
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| Subject: | KitFox Fuel Starvation |
My first check would be the fuel vents in the caps
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Orth
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:21 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: KitFox Fuel Starvation
I just bought a KitFox 7. Flying it home I experienced low fuel pressure on
the digital readout 3 different times. Do 912's vapor lock?? Is the Fuel
Pump going out?? Even with the Boost Pump the pressure was low. It always
happened after about 2 1/2 - 3 hrs. of flight. Any ideas???
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Spray booth?? |
Dave,
I have tried a number of things over the years. Usually it is in the
form of plastic sheets fastened to the ceiling and hanging to the floor.
With all the Stewart materials you can wet down the floor with a hose to
keep dust down. I have seen the plastic hemmed and threaded on a PVC
framework that worked quite well and was cheap. A good fan is needed to
keep the overspray moving along. Even with the small amount of overspray
you will end up with more than you want after painting even one
airplane.
I now have a "curtian barn" panel from Farmtek that drops 9' to the
floor and separates my 20' X 20' basement into a clean area and a paint
area. Couldn't do this down there without fumigating the house before
the Stewart Process.
Good luck, Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 7:26 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spray booth??
I've been spraying the fill/uv coats (ekofill in my case, Stewarts,
lovely stuff NO fumes) and I'm thinking a spray booth would help me keep
the other items in the garage clean. The overspray even with HVLP gets
all over.
Has anyone got pictures, drawings, recommendations for a temporary,
inexpensive and ultimately disposable spray booth?
Dave G.
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| Subject: | Re: Spray booth?? |
I have tried several booths and the one I like best is just buy rolls of
plastic at your home supply store and duct tape them to the ceiling and
let them hang to the floor. This protects all the cabinets and tool in
the garage. I have an exhaust fan at one end of the garage and adjust
the door at the other end for air flow. Simple & cheap. The biggest
advantage is you have a big booth. Jim Series 5 covered and rebuilding
an 0-200. Lake Elmo MN.
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From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:26 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spray booth??
I've been spraying the fill/uv coats (ekofill in my case, Stewarts,
lovely stuff NO fumes) and I'm thinking a spray booth would help me keep
the other items in the garage clean. The overspray even with HVLP gets
all over.
Has anyone got pictures, drawings, recommendations for a temporary,
inexpensive and ultimately disposable spray booth?
Dave G.
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Damn - I thought I might have been on to something!
I also spoke with Wayne Johns (Jabiru Service Tech) again and he asked if
you were "gluing" the rotor buttons onto the spindles in the Distributor.
Evidently it was found that if the rotor buttons aren't fitted with an
epoxy or cicoflex they would wear slightly and then rattle on the
spindles. This can result in a harmonic vibration thru the gear train that
wears the drive gears. In a few cases the hard case was worn from two
areas of the teeth resulting in failure.
1 last point - do you have the cast cam shaft or the machined cam shaft -
on earlier engines the cast camshaft was found to be weaker and it was
replaced with a fully machined component. When I was considering updating
my engine S/No 340 he told me that i should upgrade to the machined cam
shaft! - maybe something to consider.
By the time I looked at the cost of upgrading my engine it made more sense
to go for a new (0) time replacement. Not that I had any problems with
mine.
Like most experimental engines (including Rotax) these engines continue
to evolve - I think this is why the more traditional Aero engines still
look the same and basically operate the same as they did 40 yrs ago.
No change = no risk = no liability
Regards
Gary
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Re: Kitfox-List: Timing gear
Yeah that was a real interesting period in the Jabiru history. There
was a lot of back and forth among the Yahoo Jabiru Engine group,
involving a spirited debate among several people, one of whom was
quite "vocal", and it turns out he didn't even own an engine. It all
revolved around how much to torque the bolts...how much it took
before they stretched, how much 620 Loctite to put on the threads,
where to put it, etc....and finally it died down and went away. I
followed the Service Bulletin as did Michel in Norway, he even going
so far as to post his pictures in his site, I believe. He can
probably fill us in better on his involvement...Michel?
Bottom line for me was that I had the larger bolts and the dowels
already in place, and only had to change the bolts, Loctite, and re-
torque to comply with the SB. That was in Dec. of 2006, back when I
had about...guessing....175 hours on the engine.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:27 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Interesting comments here re fretting of crank and timing gear for
> engines with the smaller flywheel bolts and no dowels. Sounds as
> though even the new recommended torque settings might be understated?
>
> Regards
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> Gary
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> http://contrails.free.fr/engine_jab_bolts.php
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> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
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| Subject: | KitFox Fuel Starvation |
I would check the fuel filter.
Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK
Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls
Flying sense Jan. 06
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Orth
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:21 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: KitFox Fuel Starvation
I just bought a KitFox 7. Flying it home I experienced low fuel pressure on
the digital readout 3 different times. Do 912's vapor lock?? Is the Fuel
Pump going out?? Even with the Boost Pump the pressure was low. It always
happened after about 2 1/2 - 3 hrs. of flight. Any ideas???
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| Subject: | Re: Spray booth?? |
My shop is pole construction with open trusses. I stretched rope between the trusses
and attached plastic sheets with clothes pins. Quick and disposable.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Spray booth?? |
A few ideas using PVC...
http://www.azshowersolutions.com/Shop9.html
Dave <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
I've been spraying the fill/uv coats (ekofill in my case, Stewarts,
lovely stuff NO fumes) and I'm thinking a spray booth would help me keep the other
items in the garage clean. The overspray even with HVLP gets all over.
Has anyone got pictures, drawings, recommendations for a temporary, inexpensive
and ultimately disposable spray booth?
Dave G.
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| Subject: | Re: KitFox Fuel Starvation |
Dale,
What were the fuel pressure readings? Did the engine act like it was fuel
starved? Did you notice higher than normal EGT temps?
With the 912, fuel pressures are quite low - 5 or so PSI. If your boost
pump puts out more than that it will push fuel past the needles in the carbs
flooding the bowl.
I never had a fuel pressure gauge on my 912 so never had a low fuel
indication. But then again, never had any low fuel flow symptons either.
In fact, I don't recall an instance over the years where someone has had an
issue traced to fuel flow that was mechanical in nature. Someone refresh my
memory if I there was an instance. There has been lots of talk of uneven
tank drainage, but that doesn't seem to be your issue.
Lowell
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From: "Dale Orth" <daleorth@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 4:21 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: KitFox Fuel Starvation
>
> I just bought a KitFox 7. Flying it home I experienced low fuel pressure
> on the digital readout 3 different times. Do 912's vapor lock?? Is the
> Fuel Pump going out?? Even with the Boost Pump the pressure was low. It
> always happened after about 2 1/2 - 3 hrs. of flight. Any ideas???
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198019#198019
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| Subject: | Re: Spray booth?? |
Dave,
I used wood 1x2's, duct tape, and plastic to build a paint room in half of m
y 2 car garage. =C2-Made a door for coming and going and a big door for mo
ving the parts in and out. =C2-I covered the floor in brown paper - cheap
and quick and easily replaced when dirty. =C2-The room was only big enough
for one major part at at a time, plus the spray equipment and supplies.
=C2-I used a fan, with the motor on the outside, (to avoid sparking in the
paint area). =C2-I also had filters on the inlet and blew the filtered ai
r into the room so that the slight pressure increase kept the bugs out (they
sneak in from every little opening.) =C2-I also had one wall, opposite th
e fan, made of AC filters, to trap the overspray and keep it from getting in
to the rest of the garage. =C2-It took about 4 or 5 months to get it all d
one, but cleanup took only about an hour and the cost was minimal, probably
less than $75. =C2-Most of the expense was for the filters. =C2-
I also had a $30 dollar dual halogen lamp with water/explosion proof glass.
=C2-It provided great light, but I think I would go with a florescent tube
if I had it to do over - less heat, better light for looking at the surface
. =C2-(I did use a portable florescent tube to augment the halogens.)
I can send pictures if you like, but it's pretty straight forward. =C2-Let
me know and I'll dig them out if you're interested.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster - close to tax
i testing.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 7:26 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spray booth??
I've=C2-been=C2-=C2-spraying=C2-the fill/uv
coats (ekofill in my case, Stewarts, lovely stuff NO fumes) and I'm thinking
a
spray booth would help me keep the other items in the garage clean. The
overspray even with HVLP gets all over.
=C2-
Has anyone got pictures, drawings, recommendations
for a temporary, inexpensive and ultimately disposable spray booth?
=C2-
=C2-
Dave G.
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| Subject: | Re: KitFox Fuel Starvation |
Hi All,
Some of the Rotax engines are just starting to show low fuel pressure. This has
been happening on some of the Flight Design Ct's. I am in the process of doing
some testing to rule in or out mechanical, gage or vapor lock issues. The guys
doing the testing won't know for a few more weeks. 100LL does not fix the problem.
I will keep you posted on my testing. This is happening to me also and
has now for a month. I use a Dynon system for tracking my engine performance.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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Dave
I just finished my paint both and am ready to paint.
www.mykitlog.com/marin/
I hope it will help. I am not building a kitfox but enjoy this group so
I
listen in.
Marin
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spray booth??
I've been spraying the fill/uv coats (ekofill in my case, Stewarts,
lovely
stuff NO fumes) and I'm thinking a spray booth would help me keep the
other
items in the garage clean. The overspray even with HVLP gets all over.
Has anyone got pictures, drawings, recommendations for a temporary,
inexpensive and ultimately disposable spray booth?
Dave G.
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| Subject: | Dash mounting bushings? |
Bob sez:
>I could think of many other parts of the airplane that would be more
>appropriately named Lord Mounts, 'cause their failure could make a meeting
>with the Lord sooner than one may have wanted.
Nah, those are called "Jesus bolts", like those two big ones that
hold the lift struts to the fuselage. Helicopters have them, too...
Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | RE: Dash mounting bushings? |
> From: Michael Gibbs [MichaelGibbs@cox.net]
> Nah, those are called "Jesus bolts", like those two big ones that
> hold the lift struts to the fuselage.
... is that what they are called, Mike? Gosh! I remember when I started flying
my Kitfox that I looked at those with respect and awe. Now I nearly ignore them
in my preflight. ... have I lost faith? :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded
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