---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/14/08: 45 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:52 AM - Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (dave) 2. 04:04 AM - Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (dave) 3. 04:15 AM - Re: Timing gear (dave) 4. 04:28 AM - Re: Polytone reducer (rawheels) 5. 04:31 AM - Re: Polytone reducer (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 6. 05:05 AM - Re: KitFox Fuel Starvation (Catz631@aol.com) 7. 05:42 AM - Re: Polytone reducer (Lynn Matteson) 8. 05:49 AM - Re: Polytone reducer (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 9. 06:22 AM - Re: certification question (DanM) 10. 06:30 AM - Re: Tailwheel Spring (rawheels) 11. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Timing gear (Lynn Matteson) 12. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (Lynn Matteson) 13. 07:35 AM - Re: Polytone reducer (Brian Morissette) 14. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Support - was - Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (jdmcbean) 15. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Support (Jose M. Toro) 16. 11:04 AM - Which Expoy Primer and Structural Epoxy Should I Use ??? (JetPilot) 17. 11:28 AM - Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (JetPilot) 18. 11:42 AM - Re: Timing gear (Michel Verheughe) 19. 02:25 PM - Re: Which Expoy Primer and Structural Epoxy Should I Use ??? (n85ae) 20. 03:01 PM - Re: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (Michael Gibbs) 21. 04:05 PM - Re: Polytone reducer (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 22. 04:09 PM - Re: Polytone reducer (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 23. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (Lynn Matteson) 24. 05:14 PM - Re: Kitfox Support - was - Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (dave) 25. 05:15 PM - Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (dave) 26. 05:16 PM - Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (dave) 27. 05:18 PM - Re: Kitfox Support (dave) 28. 05:20 PM - Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (dave) 29. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (Dee Young) 30. 05:29 PM - Re: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (Michael Gibbs) 31. 05:40 PM - Lacquer thinners (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 32. 06:17 PM - Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (dave) 33. 06:18 PM - Re: Lacquer thinners (Larry Huntley) 34. 06:28 PM - Re: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (Michael Gibbs) 35. 06:44 PM - Re: Lacquer thinners (Lynn Matteson) 36. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (Sbennett3@aol.com) 37. 06:48 PM - Re: Lacquer thinners (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 38. 06:49 PM - Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (dave) 39. 06:53 PM - Re: Lacquer thinners (Sbennett3@aol.com) 40. 07:07 PM - Re: Lacquer thinners (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 41. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (Michael Gibbs) 42. 08:11 PM - 2 stroke oil - Pennzoil update (Rexinator) 43. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 44. 09:40 PM - Little Kitfox Movie (rudderdancer) 45. 10:56 PM - Re: Little Kitfox Movie (gary.algate@sandvik.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:00 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale From: "dave" Kitfoxaircraft partner also selling a Model 5 Amphib . With a jab 3300 -- interesting -- I wonder how the performance would be >? for 83,000 it should be stellar . Does anyone know? This is good for all Kitfox owners if this plane can sell for a price like this. Kitfoxes are the cheapest decent airplane on the market. KITFOX MODEL 5 AMPHIBIAN $83,000 AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE SALE Kitfox 5, jabiru 3300, downwind quad amphibs, new paint (SantaFe Red) 104 hrs TT. Glass Cockpit Contact Michael Berglund, Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA Telephone: 602-684-1527 Posted August 3, 2008 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser Recommend This Ad to a Friend Email Advertiser Save to Watchlist Report This Ad MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY $40,000 OFFERED FOR SALE Manufacturing Opportunity: All rights, tooling, jigs for kitfox lite single seat a/c. Inc 2 kits. Contact Michael Berglund, Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA Telephone: 602-684-1527 Posted August 3, 2008 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser Recommend This Ad to a Friend Email Advertiser Save to Watchlist Report This Ad -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198529#198529 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:20 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale From: "dave" > The Kitfox 7 Super Sport has been for sale for the past couple of years... It is a tail dragger or tricycle gear, whichever you choose with great STOL performance. I talked to a guy that visited the factory in Idaho recently and he said everything was great. He was so positively impressed with the John, the factory, and the plane that he bought a Kitfox Super Sport kit and is now building it > > Mike > Mike , I cannot say that a Super sport is a STOL aircraft as I have never flown one or see and video on one. If it is a STOL aircraft then Mc BEan should be shooting some video to help sell his airplane like this guy did http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ct2fNFc8AxY I will tell you that my videos Have in fact sold many pilots on the Kitfox and in fact have helped sell many used Kitfoxes. Too bad the Model IV is not sold new anymore as I think it would be a stellar seller as we already know if built and flown right it is a stellar performer and would be close to a STOL aircraft. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198530#198530 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:17 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Timing gear From: "dave" Michel, Always interested in all aspects of Kitfoxes. Any seal can wear a steel shaft from continual use. If you are showing signs of seepage now it will only get worse. Shafts can wear from contaminants in the oil as well as dirt,dust from the area of the seal. Crankcase pressure could force oil out as well. Dave > I have a slight leak on my starboard distributor shaft seal. I got a new seal but ... since I recently epoxy a new rotor in place, I don't feel in a hurry to remove it in order to change the seal. But I am not sure I understand how it can wear a groove on the shaft; it is a plastic seal, right? -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198531#198531 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:11 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Polytone reducer From: "rawheels" The manual specifically says not to use MEK as a reducer. Here is the Australian Distributor: AVIAQUIP PTY LIMITED 41 Kembla Street Cheltenham Victoria 3192 PO Box 102 Mentone Victoria 3194 613-9585-1211 www.aviaquip.com.au -------- Ryan Wheeler Kitfox IV-1200 Indianapolis, IN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198532#198532 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:22 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polytone reducer You can use Lacquer Thinner With Polytone paint Ellery in Maine In a message dated 8/14/2008 1:48:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gary.algate@sandvik.com writes: Can anybody advise where I can get this reducer in Adelaide, Australia. Alternatively can I use MEK? If so where can I buy this in Adelaide, Australia? This was a lot easier when I lived in Canada. Gary Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab2200A Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:10 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KitFox Fuel Starvation Travis, I think my engine spent it's life in an elephant burial ground rather than an Indian mound. It's a nice morning now and before the temp becomes unlivable again I think I will go fly. Come see me and I will give you a super deluxe deal on my remaining Aeroshell 15-50. You know I can't use it any more. Dick **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:18 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polytone reducer I'd be real careful about using anything but the name-brand poly- xxxxx products when using the Polyfiber system. Certainly try a small batch and see if it works. Of course that's easy for me to say....I can get the proper stuff shipped to me, about 250 miles away, the next day. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 14, 2008, at 7:27 AM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: > You can use Lacquer Thinner With Polytone paint > > Ellery in Maine > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 1:48:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gary.algate@sandvik.com writes: > > Can anybody advise where I can get this reducer in Adelaide, > Australia. > > Alternatively can I use MEK? If so where can I buy this in > Adelaide, Australia? > > This was a lot easier when I lived in Canada. > > Gary > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 Jab2200A > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the > message from your system. 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Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 14, 2008, at 7:27 AM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: > You can use Lacquer Thinner With Polytone paint > > Ellery in Maine > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 1:48:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gary.algate@sandvik.com writes: > > Can anybody advise where I can get this reducer in Adelaide, > Australia. > > Alternatively can I use MEK? If so where can I buy this in > Adelaide, Australia? > > This was a lot easier when I lived in Canada. > > Gary > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 Jab2200A > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. 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(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:20 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: certification question From: "DanM" Tom I think I will do the same as you did since my situation is the same, I have PPL, a lapsed medical and an aircraft that meets the LSA rules. I will certify as experimental AB and fly as Light Sport. All will be legal. And, thanks to all who responded to my initial question. No need to challenge the FAA guy now. -------- Dan Mc Intyre Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 N443DM Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198550#198550 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:30 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel Spring From: "rawheels" Dick, I got your picture. I see what you are talking about now. We are talking about two different things; The leaf "springs" are the three pieces of steel that link the fuselage to the tail-wheel assembly, not the connector/anti-shimmy springs that connect to the rudder. The tabs I am going to reinforce are the ones on the very end of the fuselage not the rudder. From the picture it actually looks like you might have a reinforcement plate under the tabs as well (unpainted metal between the tabs and the leaf springs). -------- Ryan Wheeler Kitfox IV-1200 Indianapolis, IN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198551#198551 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ebay_033_119.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:02 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Timing gear It is a flexible seal, made of...I dunno, neoprene or something like that, and it definitely wore a groove in my shaft. Pictured is the shaft, with the 2 grooves worn in by the seal, which you can see in the distributor bottom plate...this is the part that the cap attaches to. To change the seal, you need to remove the two socket-head cap screws (also known as Allen bolts over here, after a company that made them), then remove this plate and drive out the old seal and press/drive in the new seal, and you're done...well, except for putting it back together. But...if you have a worn/grooved shaft like I did, I had to use a product called Speedi-Sleeve (pictured), which is slid over the shaft, becoming the new surface upon which the new seal rides. The sleeve is only .011" thick, so it only increases the diameter of the shaft by .022" or about half of a mm. This increase in diameter not only provides a new seal surface, but it increases the tension of the new seal so it seals better. Mine worked right up to when I took them off when I dismantled my engine, and I'm thinking of putting them back on. Now as to why these seals leak, and I'm afraid yours are going to show worn shafts too, Michel, I'm thinking they don't have a hard enough shaft to begin with. When/if you pull your bottom plate (s), don't be alarmed about the sloppiness of the distributor shaft if you pull the distributor shaft support tower (I call it that)...it won't get out of time, because the gears will still be in mesh, just loose until the tower/support goes back on. You can't screw anything up by taking this area apart and changing the seals, or by installing the speedi-sleeves. You cannot get the engine out of time. But if you decide to change the distributor shafts themselves, you will have to remove the gear case cover, and THAT'S where you can get into trouble with ignition timing. I can get you through this if you get that far into it, or so can your Jab dealer friend over there. It's surprising to me how the soft seal can wear a groove into the shaft, but here's living proof that it did. My left (port) one is pictured. The right side leaked worse, but the shaft was unharmed by the seal...go figure that one out! Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") On Aug 14, 2008, at 2:34 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote: > Lynn, I am not sure the general Kitfox audience is interested in > this but ... here I go: > >> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] >> First a distributor shaft seal wore a groove into one of the >> shafts, causing an oil leak that saturated one of the caps, then the >> rocker arm bushings went to hell, now the timing gear breaks, causing >> me major engine work. > > I have a slight leak on my starboard distributor shaft seal. I got > a new seal but ... since I recently epoxy a new rotor in place, I > don't feel in a hurry to remove it in order to change the seal. But > I am not sure I understand how it can wear a groove on the shaft; > it is a plastic seal, right? > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded. > > > 

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________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:10 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale Some guys say their videos sell Kitfoxes, but I say it was my pylon turns, and slipping into a landing recently at Oshkosh in front of thousands of adoring fans that opened the floodgates of orders for new aircraft at Kitfox Aircraft LLC (www.kitfoxaircraft.com) (wink, wink) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 14, 2008, at 7:04 AM, dave wrote: > > >> The Kitfox 7 Super Sport has been for sale for the past couple of >> years... It is a tail dragger or tricycle gear, whichever you >> choose with great STOL performance. I talked to a guy that visited >> the factory in Idaho recently and he said everything was great. He >> was so positively impressed with the John, the factory, and the >> plane that he bought a Kitfox Super Sport kit and is now building it >> >> Mike >> > > > Mike , I cannot say that a Super sport is a STOL aircraft as I have > never flown one or see and video on one. If it is a STOL aircraft > then Mc BEan should be shooting some video to help sell his > airplane like this guy did http://ca.youtube.com/watch? > v=ct2fNFc8AxY > > I will tell you that my videos Have in fact sold many pilots on the > Kitfox and in fact have helped sell many used Kitfoxes. Too bad > the Model IV is not sold new anymore as I think it would be a > stellar seller as we already know if built and flown right it is a > stellar performer and would be close to a STOL aircraft. > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > Flying Videos and Kitfox Info > http://www.cfisher.com/ > Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the > truth > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198530#198530 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:01 AM PST US From: "Brian Morissette" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Polytone reducer Hi Gary Give Aviaquip PTY a try. They are the Poly-Fiber distributor is Australia. Brian AVIAQUIP PTY LIMITED 41 Kembla Street Cheltenham Victoria 3192 PO Box 102 Mentone Victoria 3194 613-9585-1211 www.aviaquip.com.au _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ElleryWeld@aol.com Sent: August 14, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polytone reducer I have been using Lacquer thinner for 10 years on the poly fiber products with Polytone paint and Aerothane paint and it is not an issue but you just need to make sure you have real Lacquer Thinner Ellery In a message dated 8/14/2008 8:43:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes: I'd be real careful about using anything but the name-brand poly- xxxxx products when using the Polyfiber system. Certainly try a small batch and see if it works. Of course that's easy for me to say....I can get the proper stuff shipped to me, about 250 miles away, the next day. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 14, 2008, at 7:27 AM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: > You can use Lacquer Thinner With Polytone paint > > Ellery in Maine > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 1:48:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gary.algate@sandvik.com writes: > > Can anybody advise where I can get this reducer in Adelaide, > Australia. > > Alternatively can I use MEK? If so where can I buy this in > Adelaide, Australia? > > This was a lot easier when I lived in Canada. > > Gary > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 Jab2200A > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. 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Read reviews on AOL Autos . ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:05 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Support - was - Part of the Kitfox Line for sale LIST, As it has been said many times... We continue to support ALL the Kitfox models back to the Model 1 Supporting the Model IV on up is a given and we can supply just about everything.. and in fact are developing new items for the IV and newer models. The Super Sport is available in both Tail Wheel and Tri Gear. Round and Smooth cowlings. The Lite is a single seat ultra-light based on the 2SI engine to keep it in the legal Ultra-light category. The 2SI is no longer available. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:30 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale John, Can you explain why this part of the Kitfox line is for sale ? Kitfox Lite? Also - will you or your partners be selling any of the other Kitfox model lines in the future? Also will you be making parts available for models 1 to 6 Kitfoxes? Kitfox Lite I assume the answer is no. Will you be offering a Super sport or another model that is a tail dragger and with STOL performance like the Kitfox IV has given for the past man yearS? Thanks in advance. Dave -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198376#198376 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:16 AM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Support Hi Listers:=0AJust for the record and to be just, about a year ago I obtain ed from Kitfox Aicraft a pair of wing lift struts for my ex-Kitfox II.- T o get-both struts "re-produced", I had to send one of-the old, corroded struts.- I'm very pleased and grateful of the support I got from John an d Debra.=0ABest Regards!=0AJose Toro=0AKitfox II/582 (new owner just flew i t after conversion to tri-cycle, and is very pleased)=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Orig inal Message ----=0AFrom: jdmcbean =0ATo: kitf ox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:58:14 AM=0ASubje ct: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Support - was - Part of the Kitfox Line for rcraft.com>=0A=0ALIST,=0A--- As it has been said many times...=0A=0AW e continue to support ALL the Kitfox models back to the Model 1=0A=0ASuppor ting the Model IV on up is a given and we can supply just about=0Aeverythin g.. and in fact are developing new items for the IV and newer=0Amodels.=0A =0AThe Super Sport is available in both Tail Wheel and Tri Gear. Round and =0ASmooth cowlings.=0A=0AThe Lite is a single seat ultra-light based on the 2SI engine to keep it in=0Athe legal Ultra-light category.- The 2SI is n o longer available. =0A=0A=0A=0AFly Safe !!=0AJohn & Debra McBean=0APh 208. 337.5111=0Awww.kitfoxaircraft.com-=0A"The Sky is not the Limit...- It's a Playground" =0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-kitfox-lis t-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave=0ASent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:30 AM=0ATo: kitfox-lis t@matronics.com=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sal hn, Can you explain why this part of the Kitfox line is for sale ? Kitfox =0ALite? =0A=0AAlso - will you or your partners be selling any of the other Kitfox model=0Alines in the future? =0A=0A=0AAlso will you be making parts available for models 1 to 6 Kitfoxes? Kitfox=0ALite I assume the answer is no. =0A=0AWill you be offering a Super sport or another model that is a ta il dragger=0Aand with STOL performance like the Kitfox IV has- given for the past man=0AyearS? =0A=0A=0AThanks in advance.=0A=0A=0ADave=0A=0A------- -=0ARotax Dealer, Ontario Canada=0AFlying Videos and Kitfox Info=0Ahttp://w ww.cfisher.com/=0ARealtime Kitfox movies to separate- the internet- cha tter from the truth- =0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitf oxflyer=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matro nics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198376#198376=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi ======0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:31 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Which Expoy Primer and Structural Epoxy Should I Use ??? From: "JetPilot" What is the best epoxy primer to use on and inside the Aluminum wing spars on the Kitfox ? Also does the same epoxy primer work well on 4130 Steel ? Secondly, what is the strongest structural epoxy I can get for the Kitfox ? Thanks, Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198590#198590 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:23 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? From: "JetPilot" larry huntley wrote: > Don't bet a lot on the placard. Some folks have found ethanol in unmarked pumps that the attendent said had none. Larry > The majority of attendants spend their days selling cigaretts, beer, and snacks... They just happen to be running the credit cards for the gas pumps also. The attendant probably knows far less about the gas in the pumps than we do.... Why would anyone take some minimum wage attendants word if the gas has ethanol or not ? I would not even waste my time asking, just buy the test kit. I agree with Dave though, I would use ethanol gasoline before I would put 100LL in my Rotax 912-S. Carb floats, seals, etc are easy to inspect and replace if needed, a Rotax 912 clogged with lead is much worse. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198595#198595 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:19 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Timing gear You are right, Dave, an oil leak won't repear itself as we do from e.g. the flu. Mechanical faults only get worse with time. Thank you for the detailed explanation, Lynn. I will replace that seal but ... I must wait. You see, I had a operation and I still have the stiches. I am not supposed to lift my left arm more than 90 degrees and ... as you know, there isn't much room behind a Jabiru in a Kitfox. But I will get to it. Incidentally, I just went flying a few touch and go, today, with my son as the PIC. It was nice to be in the air again, even as a passenger. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as a PAX.
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:40 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Which Expoy Primer and Structural Epoxy Should I Use ??? From: "n85ae" Polyfiber epoxy primer is very good. 3M 2216, or Hysol are both very good adhesives. The wing ribs are bonded using this with cotton flox. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198615#198615 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:28 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? Mike sez: >I agree with Dave though, I would use ethanol gasoline before I >would put 100LL in my Rotax 912-S. Carb floats, seals, etc are >easy to inspect and replace if needed, a Rotax 912 clogged with >lead is much worse. I ran my 912S exclusively on AvGas and never had any trouble. I run AvGas in my 4-stroke motorcycle, an old pre-emissions-controls Plymouth, and in my lawnmowers and trimmers. They run cooler, can sit long periods without the carbs getting gunked up, and I don't have to worry about what's in it. Mike G. N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polytone reducer From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Thanks Ellery In Canada I could get this stuff, as Lynn says, within 24 hrs but here in Australia it's a different matter. When you say laquer - do you mean automotive Duco thinner or is this something else? Regards Gary Gary Algate SMC, Exploration Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. ElleryWeld@aol.com Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 14/08/2008 10:27 PM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com cc Subject Re: Kitfox-List: Polytone reducer I have been using Lacquer thinner for 10 years on the poly fiber products with Polytone paint and Aerothane paint and it is not an issue but you just need to make sure you have real Lacquer Thinner Ellery In a message dated 8/14/2008 8:43:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes: I'd be real careful about using anything but the name-brand poly- xxxxx products when using the Polyfiber system. Certainly try a small batch and see if it works. Of course that's easy for me to say....I can get the proper stuff shipped to me, about 250 miles away, the next day. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 14, 2008, at 7:27 AM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: > You can use Lacquer Thinner With Polytone paint > > Ellery in Maine > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 1:48:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gary.algate@sandvik.com writes: > > Can anybody advise where I can get this reducer in Adelaide, > Australia. > > Alternatively can I use MEK? If so where can I buy this in > Adelaide, Australia? > > This was a lot easier when I lived in Canada. > > Gary > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 Jab2200A > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the > message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for > any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may > arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. f="http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronics.com/ > Navigator?Kitfox-List .matronics.com/">http:// > forums.matronics.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/contribution > > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read > reviews on AOL Autos. > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > ========================he es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site ; ======================== Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:09 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Polytone reducer From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Tried Aviaquip - but they were really unhelpful and only had it available in 1 gall containers - I need about 1 quart tops! Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab2200 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. "Brian Morissette" Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 15/08/2008 12:19 AM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To cc Subject RE: Kitfox-List: Polytone reducer Hi Gary Give Aviaquip PTY a try. They are the Poly-Fiber distributor is Australia. Brian AVIAQUIP PTY LIMITED 41 Kembla Street Cheltenham Victoria 3192 PO Box 102 Mentone Victoria 3194 613-9585-1211 www.aviaquip.com.au From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ElleryWeld@aol.com Sent: August 14, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polytone reducer I have been using Lacquer thinner for 10 years on the poly fiber products with Polytone paint and Aerothane paint and it is not an issue but you just need to make sure you have real Lacquer Thinner Ellery In a message dated 8/14/2008 8:43:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes: I'd be real careful about using anything but the name-brand poly- xxxxx products when using the Polyfiber system. Certainly try a small batch and see if it works. Of course that's easy for me to say....I can get the proper stuff shipped to me, about 250 miles away, the next day. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 14, 2008, at 7:27 AM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: > You can use Lacquer Thinner With Polytone paint > > Ellery in Maine > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 1:48:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gary.algate@sandvik.com writes: > > Can anybody advise where I can get this reducer in Adelaide, > Australia. > > Alternatively can I use MEK? If so where can I buy this in > Adelaide, Australia? > > This was a lot easier when I lived in Canada. > > Gary > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 Jab2200A > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the > message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for > any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may > arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. f="http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronics.com/ > Navigator?Kitfox-List .matronics.com/">http:// > forums.matronics.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/contribution > > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read > reviews on AOL Autos. > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > ========================he es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site ; Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:20 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? Let me get this straight.....some of you guys are flying 912's in airplanes, you fly into an airport, and you hope to have automobile gas there for you? And with all the bad hype about ethanol, you'd rather use this than 100LL???? Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 14, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Michael Gibbs wrote: > > > Mike sez: > >> I agree with Dave though, I would use ethanol gasoline before I >> would put 100LL in my Rotax 912-S. Carb floats, seals, etc are >> easy to inspect and replace if needed, a Rotax 912 clogged with >> lead is much worse. > > I ran my 912S exclusively on AvGas and never had any trouble. I > run AvGas in my 4-stroke motorcycle, an old pre-emissions-controls > Plymouth, and in my lawnmowers and trimmers. They run cooler, can > sit long periods without the carbs getting gunked up, and I don't > have to worry about what's in it. > > Mike G. > N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster > Phoenix, AZ > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:07 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Support - was - Part of the Kitfox Line for sale From: "dave" John, Can you answer the question about your partner selling the entire Kitfox Lite line and rights. How will you support this ? I too have bought form you and had no problems and do support you and your venture but this question should be answered in a public forum. Dave -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198629#198629 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:22 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? From: "dave" Lynn, you are right HYPE is the keyword on ethanol until it proven to me otherwise. ANd I would rather not use ethanol gas but I have no choice. 912 can use AVGAS but not with synthetic oil. You will get more lead fouling as well. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198630#198630 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:18 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? From: "dave" Mike , how many hours on your Kitfox with 912 ? > I ran my 912S exclusively on AvGas and never had any trouble. I run > AvGas in my 4-stroke motorcycle, an old pre-emissions-controls > Plymouth, and in my lawnmowers and trimmers. They run cooler, can > sit long periods without the carbs getting gunked up, and I don't > have to worry about what's in it. > > Mike G. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198631#198631 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:21 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Support From: "dave" > I'm very pleased and grateful of the support I got from John and Debra. > > Best Regards! > > Jose Toro > I am too pleased with them, just wondering why his partner is selling out and he not answering the question ? Dave -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198635#198635 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:03 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale From: "dave" > Some guys say their videos sell Kitfoxes, but I say it was my pylon > turns, and slipping into a landing recently at Oshkosh in front of > thousands of adoring fans that opened the floodgates of orders for > new aircraft at Kitfox Aircraft LLC (www.kitfoxaircraft.com) (wink, > wink) > Kitfox aircraft did this ? GREAT !!!!!!!!! LETS SEE SOME ACTION FILMAGE.............. Kitfox IV will do that plus take off in 1'/2 the distance ? unless they with over 700 lbs of course. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198636#198636 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:09 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? Plus mo gas goes bad quickly. I found that curious also but wanted see how this thing played out. Dee Young N345DY Model II Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Matteson To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? > Let me get this straight.....some of you guys are flying 912's in airplanes, you fly into an airport, and you hope to have automobile gas there for you? And with all the bad hype about ethanol, you'd rather use this than 100LL???? Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 14, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Michael Gibbs wrote: > > > > Mike sez: > >> I agree with Dave though, I would use ethanol gasoline before I >> would put 100LL in my Rotax 912-S. Carb floats, seals, etc are >> easy to inspect and replace if needed, a Rotax 912 clogged with >> lead is much worse. > > I ran my 912S exclusively on AvGas and never had any trouble. I > run AvGas in my 4-stroke motorcycle, an old pre-emissions-controls > Plymouth, and in my lawnmowers and trimmers. They run cooler, can > sit long periods without the carbs getting gunked up, and I don't > have to worry about what's in it. > > Mike G. > N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster > Phoenix, AZ > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:27 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? Dave asks: >Mike, how many hours on your Kitfox with 912 ? Sorry Dave, I don't know. The engine was sold to another Kitfox builder about 3 years ago. Mike G. N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:59 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Lacquer thinners From: gary.algate@sandvik.com can somebody give me an explanation of what "lacquer thinners" are - I know if I ask the guy at the auto shop here he probably won't know what I mean and I know most of you guys in the USC will be shutting down soon . I am assuming it is the thinners for auto paint (not enamel or Urethane) ?? Friday here so I want to get it for the weekend. regards Gary Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab2200A Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:58 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? From: "dave" Mike, point was how many hours did you fly with avgas in your 912 Kitfox ?> ? I have over 1000 hour in the last few year alone that we have had ethanol gas at our pumps and have had no issues > YET < So If there is a problem I want to know all about it. Dave > Sorry Dave, I don't know. The engine was sold to another Kitfox > builder about 3 years ago. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198651#198651 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:07 PM PST US From: "Larry Huntley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lacquer thinners If you go to your local hardware or paint store you will find gallon cans(or qts) marked" Laquer Thinner". It is a common item. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: gary.algate@sandvik.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Lacquer thinners can somebody give me an explanation of what "lacquer thinners" are - I know if I ask the guy at the auto shop here he probably won't know what I mean and I know most of you guys in the USC will be shutting down soon . I am assuming it is the thinners for auto paint (not enamel or Urethane) ?? Friday here so I want to get it for the weekend. regards Gary Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab2200A Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8/14/2008 6:20 AM Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 20 AM ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:32 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? Dave sez: >Mike, point was how many hours did you fly with avgas in your 912 Kitfox ? I didn't phrase my answer very well. I don't know how many hours it operated on 100LL and since it has now been sold I can't readily find out. Mike G. N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:23 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lacquer thinners You can get "lacquer thinner" at most hardware stores, but like the one poster said make sure of what it is (or something like that). I don't know what that means except to be sure you read the label. I figured that lacquer thinner was lacquer thinner, but maybe they are not all created equally. Sorry I can't be more helpful, Gary. Maybe you should just bite the bullet and get that one gallon that Aviaquip offered. As far as my own experience is concerned, the stuff lasts for a long time in the tightly-sealed can, so it won't go to waste. The Polytone reducer is formulated for application in either cooler or warmer temperatures, and comes in different part numbers depending on the temperature of the air when it is applied. A question: are you using the Polytone to paint your wheels pants? Is that why you're looking for Polytone reducer? If so, that's the wrong stuff to use on hard surfaces, I was told. I was just putting 2 and 2 together, and thought you might be painting your wheel pants...if not, I'll keep quiet. : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 14, 2008, at 8:39 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote: > > can somebody give me an explanation of what "lacquer thinners" are > - I know if I ask the guy at the auto shop here he probably won't > know what I mean and I know most of you guys in the USC will be > shutting down soon . > > I am assuming it is the thinners for auto paint (not enamel or > Urethane) ?? > > Friday here so I want to get it for the weekend. > > regards > > Gary > > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 Jab2200A > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the > message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for > any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may > arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. _- > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:24 PM PST US From: Sbennett3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? When I use 100LL in my fox 912 I use TCP. And I use semi synthetic Valvoline Durablend. I only use it when i do cross countries and Mo gas isn't available. Mo gas goes stale ? Who lets it sit in their tank long enough to get stale ??? 225 hrs since 9/15/07 Steve Bennett Classic 4 912 speedwing Durham NC USA In a message dated 8/14/2008 9:30:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, MichaelGibbs@cox.net writes: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs Dave sez: >Mike, point was how many hours did you fly with avgas in your 912 Kitfox ? I didn't phrase my answer very well. I don't know how many hours it operated on 100LL and since it has now been sold I can't readily find out. Mike G. N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster Phoenix, AZ **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lacquer thinners From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Larry - are you in Australia ? Trouble here is many of these terms aren't recognized here. If I know what sort of paints the Lacquer thinners reduce I could explain to the rep Gary Gary Algate Classic4 jab2200A Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. "Larry Huntley" Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 15/08/2008 11:05 AM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To cc Subject Re: Kitfox-List: Lacquer thinners If you go to your local hardware or paint store you will find gallon cans(or qts) marked" Laquer Thinner". It is a common item. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Lacquer thinners can somebody give me an explanation of what "lacquer thinners" are - I know if I ask the guy at the auto shop here he probably won't know what I mean and I know most of you guys in the USC will be shutting down soon . I am assuming it is the thinners for auto paint (not enamel or Urethane) ?? Friday here so I want to get it for the weekend. regards Gary Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab2200A Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8/14/2008 6:20 AM Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:25 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? From: "dave" > Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dave sez: > > Quote: > Mike, point was how many hours did you fly with avgas in your 912 Kitfox ? > > > I didn't phrase my answer very well. I don't know how many hours it > operated on 100LL and since it has now been sold I can't readily find > out. > > Just wondered how many hours thats YOU put on it , no care about who owns it now, -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198660#198660 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:59 PM PST US From: Sbennett3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lacquer thinners I work in the home improvement industry. (paint contractor) The Lacquer thinner you buy at paint stores and Big box stores stinks less then the kind you buy at automotive stores. It seems as the stuff at Auto stores or auto refinish shops is stronger. Just my professional opinion. Steve Bennett In a message dated 8/14/2008 9:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson You can get "lacquer thinner" at most hardware stores, but like the one poster said make sure of what it is (or something like that). I don't know what that means except to be sure you read the label. I figured that lacquer thinner was lacquer thinner, but maybe they are not all created equally. Sorry I can't be more helpful, Gary. Maybe you should just bite the bullet and get that one gallon that Aviaquip offered. As far as my own experience is concerned, the stuff lasts for a long time in the tightly-sealed can, so it won't go to waste. The Polytone reducer is formulated for application in either cooler or warmer temperatures, and comes in different part numbers depending on the temperature of the air when it is applied. A question: are you using the Polytone to paint your wheels pants? Is that why you're looking for Polytone reducer? If so, that's the wrong stuff to use on hard surfaces, I was told. I was just putting 2 and 2 together, and thought you might be painting your wheel pants...if not, I'll keep quiet. : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 14, 2008, at 8:39 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote: > > can somebody give me an explanation of what "lacquer thinners" are > - I know if I ask the guy at the auto shop here he probably won't > know what I mean and I know most of you guys in the USC will be > shutting down soon . > > I am assuming it is the thinners for auto paint (not enamel or > Urethane) ?? > > Friday here so I want to get it for the weekend. > > regards > > Gary > > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 Jab2200A > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. 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(http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lacquer thinners From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Lynn - you are dead right it is for the wheel pants. I have had pretty good success in the past with polytone on Fibreglass (even though it's not really recommended). I think the biggest problem is the bond and in the past I have applied a light primer coat and while it's still "just" tacky I applied the Polytone. Best regards Gary By the way -no response yet from Wayne re your questions - He is travelling at the moment but he will get back to me. Regards Gary Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab 2200A Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. Lynn Matteson Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 15/08/2008 11:22 AM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com cc Subject Re: Kitfox-List: Lacquer thinners You can get "lacquer thinner" at most hardware stores, but like the one poster said make sure of what it is (or something like that). I don't know what that means except to be sure you read the label. I figured that lacquer thinner was lacquer thinner, but maybe they are not all created equally. Sorry I can't be more helpful, Gary. Maybe you should just bite the bullet and get that one gallon that Aviaquip offered. As far as my own experience is concerned, the stuff lasts for a long time in the tightly-sealed can, so it won't go to waste. The Polytone reducer is formulated for application in either cooler or warmer temperatures, and comes in different part numbers depending on the temperature of the air when it is applied. A question: are you using the Polytone to paint your wheels pants? Is that why you're looking for Polytone reducer? If so, that's the wrong stuff to use on hard surfaces, I was told. I was just putting 2 and 2 together, and thought you might be painting your wheel pants...if not, I'll keep quiet. : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 14, 2008, at 8:39 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote: > > can somebody give me an explanation of what "lacquer thinners" are > - I know if I ask the guy at the auto shop here he probably won't > know what I mean and I know most of you guys in the USC will be > shutting down soon . > > I am assuming it is the thinners for auto paint (not enamel or > Urethane) ?? > > Friday here so I want to get it for the weekend. > > regards > > Gary > > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 Jab2200A > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the > message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for > any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may > arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. _- > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:03 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? Dave sez: >Just wondered how many hours thats YOU put on it , no care about >who owns it now, OK, let me shorten my answer. I don't know. Mike G. N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:21 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: 2 stroke oil - Pennzoil update From: Rexinator Perhaps those folks currently flying 2 stroke Rotax engines already know this, but I didn't . As I have read many times before, "Pennzoil 2 Cycle Oil for Air Cooled Engines" has been the most reccomended oil for the (water cooled) 582 Rotax. I attended a seminar by Phillip Lockwood of Lockwood Aviation on the basics of maintaining the Rotax 582 while at AirVenture. As many of you may know Shell Oil purchased Pennzoil and has stopped making this preferred 2 cycle oil. Mr. Lockwood said they purchased the entire stock of this oil from Pennzoil and can supply that oil through the end of the year. Lockwood Aviation has worked with AeroShell engineers to test replacement formulations by test bed running several new 582 engines for 300 hours then inspecting each engine. He said they found a oil formulation that equals the Pennzoil peformance and that will be available from AeroShell by early next year. -- Rex Hefferan SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Ahhh - sweet and succinct ! Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab2200A Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. Michael Gibbs Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 15/08/2008 12:07 PM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com cc Subject Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? Dave sez: >Just wondered how many hours thats YOU put on it , no care about >who owns it now, OK, let me shorten my answer. I don't know. Mike G. N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:51 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Little Kitfox Movie From: "rudderdancer" Hi all, I thought I would try to give back to the list with this little movie. I'm still trying to get used to this lighter, more sensitive aircraft. This takes place at a local dry lake, El Mirage, here in the high desert of California. Edwards AFB is just over some hills from it. It was already 100 degrees by the time I took off and the lake bed is at around 3,000 ft., so the DA was over 5,000 ft. I know when I was looking at and for a Kitfox, I really appreciated the videos that some on this list had provided. On take off with full flaps, even on this hot high day, was really short by Stinson and Cessna standards. I still haven't worked out where the wheels are exactly on landing yet. Thanks for letting me post it. web site: http://homepage.mac.com/gaggy/iMovieTheater8.html Regards, Jack ( jhenryhall@mac.com) -------- J. Henry Hall Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires, rusty pilot. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198686#198686 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Little Kitfox Movie From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Nice Video Jack and from the look of that landing you know exactly where the wheels are! regards Gary Gary Algate Classic 4 jab 2200 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. "rudderdancer" Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 15/08/2008 02:19 PM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com cc Subject Kitfox-List: Little Kitfox Movie Hi all, I thought I would try to give back to the list with this little movie. I'm still trying to get used to this lighter, more sensitive aircraft. This takes place at a local dry lake, El Mirage, here in the high desert of California. Edwards AFB is just over some hills from it. It was already 100 degrees by the time I took off and the lake bed is at around 3,000 ft., so the DA was over 5,000 ft. I know when I was looking at and for a Kitfox, I really appreciated the videos that some on this list had provided. On take off with full flaps, even on this hot high day, was really short by Stinson and Cessna standards. I still haven't worked out where the wheels are exactly on landing yet. Thanks for letting me post it. web site: http://homepage.mac.com/gaggy/iMovieTheater8.html Regards, Jack ( jhenryhall@mac.com) -------- J. Henry Hall Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires, rusty pilot. 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