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1. 12:45 AM - Re: hobbs times (skyring)
2. 12:55 AM - Re: Progress report S5 test flying (skyring)
3. 04:49 AM - Re: Re Gear leg steps (Harold Flynn)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: Look out below (Lynn Matteson)
5. 05:33 AM - Re: Re Gear leg steps (Lynn Matteson)
6. 05:59 AM - Re: Look out below (mscotter@comcast.net)
7. 06:01 AM - Re: Re Gear leg steps (Lynn Matteson)
8. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Aveoflash strobe lights (mscotter@comcast.net)
9. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Aveoflash strobe lights (mscotter@comcast.net)
10. 06:35 AM - Re: Look out below (Kyle)
11. 06:57 AM - Re: Re Gear leg steps (Lowell Fitt)
12. 08:00 AM - Trip to High Valley Resort in Suches, GA: Oct 9-12 (FlyboyTR)
13. 08:12 AM - Re: Free Wheeling Prop (jdmcbean)
14. 08:39 AM - vortex gererators (Daniel Wild)
15. 08:57 AM - Re: Free Wheeling Prop (paul wilson)
16. 09:30 AM - "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (darinh)
17. 09:41 AM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Michael Gibbs)
18. 10:03 AM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Lowell Fitt)
19. 10:12 AM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Michael Gibbs)
20. 10:16 AM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (jdmcbean)
21. 11:32 AM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
22. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: Aveoflash strobe lights (Leading Edge) (Lowell Fitt)
23. 11:53 AM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Pete Christensen)
24. 12:02 PM - Re: Free Wheeling Prop (jeff puls)
25. 12:02 PM - Re: Free Wheeling Prop (jeff puls)
26. 12:31 PM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (darinh)
27. 12:50 PM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Randy Daughenbaugh)
28. 01:07 PM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Michel Verheughe)
29. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
30. 02:42 PM - Re: Look out below (nick4853)
31. 03:32 PM - Elevator pivot tabs (jlfernan)
32. 03:38 PM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (FlyboyTR)
33. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Bob Brennan)
34. 03:53 PM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (dwight purdy)
35. 04:33 PM - Re: Elevator pivot tabs (Dan Billingsley)
36. 04:50 PM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
37. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: 100LL/Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (Noel Loveys)
38. 07:02 PM - Re: (Off-topic) Ancient computers. WAS 100LL/Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? (Noel Loveys)
39. 07:03 PM - Re: Elevator pivot tabs (jlfernan)
40. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: Aveoflash strobe lights (Leading Edge) (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
41. 09:22 PM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (darinh)
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Steve I know of a 912 in a Kitfox 4 that has around 1400 hours without overhaul.
The owner is experienced and is keeping a careful check on it - e.g. oil analysis,
compression etc. It has also done many of its hours on long flights.
Kerry
Kitfox builders helper - and flyer. S5 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Progress report S5 test flying |
Jeff wrote: Don't get complacent!
You're right, it is very easy to get complacent when everything is going well.
Cowls are coming off every couple of hours so everything can be checked.
I've just drained the header tank to check the low warning light comes on, and
then let it fill again from the mains and watched the light go out so I'm now
fairly sure it will work as intended.
It is such a good plane. Kerry.
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| Subject: | Re: Re Gear leg steps |
You can buy a keyed rivnut. You have to cut a small notch in the hole you d
rilled-to install it . It keeps the nut from ever turning. Page 101 in ai
rcraft spruce 2008 cat.-
--- On Tue, 8/19/08, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Gear leg steps
I've had aircraft mechanics say that they can loosen and then turn
within the hole, leaving you with no easy way to remove the bolt.
Since then I've seen the rivet nut up close and they seem to be ok,
and I guess I'd use them if it was in a location where I could deal
with it if it became a problem. My first choice would be the nut
plate, though. It seems more secure to me.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 19, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Harold Flynn wrote:
> Why not use a rivet nut?
>
> --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Gear leg steps
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 7:01 AM
>
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
> My instructions calls for "the landing gear on the Speedster needs
> to be fitted prior to the covering of the landing gear leg." But it
> does call for nut plates as the fastening method, drilled right
> into that "angle welded in the legs for this purpose." So
you're
> right, there is a plate or angle welded between the tubes for the
> purposes of attaching your step. They also show a flat shield 4" x
> 7", by .016" 2024-T3 aluminum, with one corner trimmed off by 1
and
> 1/2" to match the angle of the gear leg. This shield is slid behind
> the step (and is held in place with the step-attaching bolts) and
> is to keep your feet from getting against the fabric. Could you cut
> a hole in the back side of the fabric to facilitate the nut plate
> installation? Then you could cut a circle of fabric to cover the
> holes in the fabric when done. They call for driven rivets to hold
> the nut plates in place, but I think to save having such a large
> hole as that operation would require, I'd use stainless POP rivets
> if they come in the size needed for the nut plates...usually 3/32".
> Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding
> for repairs Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to
> try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On
Aug 18,
> 2008, at 11:29 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote: > > Lynn > >
Do
> you have any info as to how the Aluminum angle steps are > fastened
> to the gear legs. > > Mine are fully faired but I can feel what
> appears to be a flat > cross brace under the covering at about the
> right height. I was > wondering whether Skystar recommended bolting
> through or just > riveting to the tube gear. I'm always reluctant
> drilling holes in > aircraft structures so I thought I would check
> first. > > best regards > > Gary > > Gary Algate >
Classic 4 jab
> 2200 > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is
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| Subject: | Re: Look out below |
Way to go Nick...always nice to hear, especially when one of the side
benefits is stickin' it to THE MAN...or at least showing them that
they aren't without fault. Enjoy your flying...where are you located?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:47 PM, nick4853 wrote:
>
> I'm a new member of the club just passed my practical test. I
> bought my plane in April replaced the GSC with a Warp taper tip I
> contacted the Baltimore Fsdo requesting a 5 hour phase one. The
> contacted me back saying my plane did not exist. I told them I
> have an Airworthiness a Registration and a set of Operating
> Limitations. I sent copies to them and the best explanation was
> that they ended up in some other airplanes file. Well it took a
> couple of months of back and forth phone calls for them to come up
> with a plan. Which was to have me do a new condition inspection,
> and the Faa inspector personally came out to look at the plane and
> logs. They knew they had egg on their face otherwise they would
> have made me pay for a DAR. So three months later I have a brand
> new plane according to the faa. I hired my instructor to fly the
> five hours off of the prop. That was August 2 since than I put 20+
> hours on it 13 was with him. I now have my sport pilot license and
> life is!
> good!! I have been blessed to have a wonderfully talented and
> seasoned instructor who has over 7000 hours and has been flying
> his champ since 1966 he has taught me a great deal and now I have
> my license to learn. I Look forward to meeting you guys in the
> future until then thanks.
>
> --------
> kitfox !V-1200
> Rotax 912ul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199576#199576
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Gear leg steps |
The bolting would probably be the strongest, as you might agree, but
if it loosens, you'll have to deal with fabric removal and
replacement again. I'm all for the nut plates. Maybe you could just
slice the covering, install bolts or nut plates, and then recover/
tape/? the slices?
Let us know how the painting holds up..hopefully it will be a long
time before any problems arise.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Aug 19, 2008, at 11:18 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Thanks Lynn,
>
> I finished painting the wheel pants last night - I ended up using
> epoxy undercoat followed by the Polytone thinned with Lacquer
> thinners with the first coat applied while the Epoxy was still
> tacky. Actually it went really well and the bond appears to be
> excellent.
>
> I've made up the step and will either use a rivet nut as Harold
> suggests or if necessary cut the covering and just bolt it in place
>
> I was initially thinking of using some 3/16" Stainless rivets but
> given the loads, bolting is probably the best option.
>
> Thanks to all
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 jab 2200
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
>
> This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the
> addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of
> this message by persons or entities other than the intended
> recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error,
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| Subject: | Re: Look out below |
That's awesome Nick, way to go.
You're not far from me, I'm up in Elkton (right next to Newark, DE.)
I hope to post the same message one day.
Tell us more about you, your airplane, where you are, etc. Are you in the ADIZ?
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD USA
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "nick4853" <nweiskopf@verizon.net>
>
> I'm a new member of the club just passed my practical test. I bought my plane
> in April replaced the GSC with a Warp taper tip I contacted the Baltimore Fsdo
> requesting a 5 hour phase one. The contacted me back saying my plane did not
> exist. I told them I have an Airworthiness a Registration and a set of
> Operating Limitations. I sent copies to them and the best explanation was that
> they ended up in some other airplanes file. Well it took a couple of months
of
> back and forth phone calls for them to come up with a plan. Which was to have
> me do a new condition inspection, and the Faa inspector personally came out to
> look at the plane and logs. They knew they had egg on their face otherwise they
> would have made me pay for a DAR. So three months later I have a brand new
> plane according to the faa. I hired my instructor to fly the five hours off
of
> the prop. That was August 2 since than I put 20+ hours on it 13 was with him.
> I now have my sport pilot license and life is!
> good!! I have been blessed to have a wonderfully talented and seasoned
> instructor who has over 7000 hours and has been flying his champ since 1966
he
> has taught me a great deal and now I have my license to learn. I Look forward
> to meeting you guys in the future until then thanks.
>
> --------
> kitfox !V-1200
> Rotax 912ul
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199576#199576
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Gear leg steps |
I was going to install a blind fastener in thin aluminum, and my
aircraft mechanic friend warned against using the rivnuts, saying
that in thin stock, if corrosion takes place, any subsequent turning
of the bolt may cause the key to shear out the material and leave you
with a fastener that you can't get out. I figured out a way to get a
nut plate in that particular location. In the case of Gary's landing
gear step application, where the keyed rivnuts would go into thicker
stock, then I'm sure that would probably be a successful application
of the rivnut.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Aug 20, 2008, at 7:49 AM, Harold Flynn wrote:
> You can buy a keyed rivnut. You have to cut a small notch in the
> hole you drilled to install it . It keeps the nut from ever
> turning. Page 101 in aircraft spruce 2008 cat.
>
> --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Gear leg steps
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 12:02 PM
>
> I've had aircraft mechanics say that they can loosen and then turn
> within the hole, leaving you with no easy way to remove the bolt.
> Since then I've seen the rivet nut up close and they seem to be ok,
> and I guess I'd use them if it was in a location where I could deal
> with it if it became a problem. My first choice would be the nut
> plate, though. It seems more secure to me. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV
> Speedster Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs Status:
> "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> Floyd..."Learning to Fly") On Aug 19, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Harold
> Flynn wrote: > Why not use a rivet nut? > > --- On Tue, 8/19/08,
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: > From: Lynn Matteson
> <lynnmatt@jps.net> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Gear leg steps >
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008,
> <lynnmatt@jps.net> > My instructions calls for "the landing gear on
> the Speedster needs > to be fitted prior to the covering of the
> landing gear leg." But it > does call for nut plates as the
> fastening method, drilled right > into that "angle welded in the
> legs for this purpose." So you're > right, there is a plate or
> angle welded between the tubes for the > purposes of attaching your
> step. They also show a flat shield 4" x > 7", by .016" 2024-T3
> aluminum, with one corner trimmed off by 1 and > 1/2" to match the
> angle of the gear leg. This shield is slid behind > the step (and
> is held in place with the step-attaching bolts) and > is to keep
> your feet from getting against the fabric. Could you cut > a hole
> in the back side of the fabric to facilitate the nut plate >
> installation? Then you could cut a circle of fabric to cover the >
> holes in the fabric when done. They call for driven rivets to hold
> > the nut plates in place, but I think to save having such a large
> > hole as that operation would require, I'd use stainless POP
> rivets > if they come in the size needed for the nut
> plates...usually 3/32". > Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru
> 2200, 562 hrs and holding > for repairs Status: "Condition
> grounded, but determined to > try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to
> Fly") do not archive On Aug 18, > 2008, at 11:29 PM,
> gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote: > > Lynn > > Do > you have any info
> as to how the Aluminum angle steps are > fastened > to the gear
> legs. > > Mine are fully faired but I can feel what > appears to be
> a flat > cross brace under the covering at about the > right
> height. I was > wondering whether Skystar recommended bolting >
> through or just > riveting to the tube gear. I'm always reluctant >
> drilling holes in > aircraft structures so I thought I would check
> > first. > > best regards > > Gary > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 jab
> > 2200 > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is >
> confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any >
> review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message >
> by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is >
> prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > kindly >
> notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the > >
> message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for
> > > any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which
> may > > arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. _- > >
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| Subject: | Re: Aveoflash strobe lights |
Lowell, I noticed you mentioned aluminum leading edge wings. Care to elaborate
on that?
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD USA
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Ryan,
>
> Thanks for this link. There is a multi part article in Kitplanes relating
> to home brew LED position lights. Being the tinkerer that I am, I was
> planning to go with their plan, but was hoping for a compact strobe only
> light to make my system complete. This is the last step in allowing me to
> do final assembly of my aluminum leading edge wings and cover them to see
> what they will look like covered.
>
> Lowell
> Model IV under construstion
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| Subject: | Re: Aveoflash strobe lights |
Lowell, I noticed you mentioned aluminum leading edge wings. Care to elaborate
on that?
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD USA
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Ryan,
>
> Thanks for this link. There is a multi part article in Kitplanes relating
> to home brew LED position lights. Being the tinkerer that I am, I was
> planning to go with their plan, but was hoping for a compact strobe only
> light to make my system complete. This is the last step in allowing me to
> do final assembly of my aluminum leading edge wings and cover them to see
> what they will look like covered.
>
> Lowell
> Model IV under construstion
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| Subject: | Re: Look out below |
Good job Nick. Enjoy your Fox.
A couple of questions. Why did you replace you GSC with a Warp Drive prop? What
diameter prop did you choose?
Enjoy,
--------
Kyle Dunn
Eddyville, Kentucky
Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax
1978 Cessna 172 N
American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax
Rotorway Exec.
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| Subject: | Re: Re Gear leg steps |
The thoughts that finally come into focus. In the Rans installation of the
trim tab servo, they cut a piece of Laxan to surround the cut-out - similar
to the doubler surrounding the cut-out for the bungees or lift strut attach
brackets. This is placed inside the fabric and glued in place with
polytack. Then a thin aluminum "inspection plate" is screwed to the Lexan
with #4 1/4" pan head screws. I did something similar when retrofitting the
static port on my original IV. This could be done on the bottom skin of the
gear leg fairing allowing for nut plate installation.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Gear leg steps
>
> The bolting would probably be the strongest, as you might agree, but if
> it loosens, you'll have to deal with fabric removal and replacement
> again. I'm all for the nut plates. Maybe you could just slice the
> covering, install bolts or nut plates, and then recover/ tape/? the
> slices?
>
> Let us know how the painting holds up..hopefully it will be a long time
> before any problems arise.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> do not archive
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2008, at 11:18 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks Lynn,
>>
>> I finished painting the wheel pants last night - I ended up using epoxy
>> undercoat followed by the Polytone thinned with Lacquer thinners with
>> the first coat applied while the Epoxy was still tacky. Actually it went
>> really well and the bond appears to be excellent.
>>
>> I've made up the step and will either use a rivet nut as Harold suggests
>> or if necessary cut the covering and just bolt it in place
>>
>> I was initially thinking of using some 3/16" Stainless rivets but given
>> the loads, bolting is probably the best option.
>>
>> Thanks to all
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> Gary Algate
>> Classic 4 jab 2200
>> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>>
>>
>> This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees.
>> Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by
>> persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If
>> you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by
>> telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender
>> does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of
>> this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. _-
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>> _- ===========================================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Trip to High Valley Resort in Suches, GA: Oct 9-12 |
We are planning a trip to High Valley Resort and would like to extend an invite
to anyone on the Forum that is interested. The dates are October 9-12 (Thursday
Sunday). The website is . I encourage you to take a look at this place!
High Valley Resort is nestled in the mountains of North GA. Suches, GA to be exact.
It is the highest populated valley in GA. The identifier is GA87. The
runway is grass, 2,000 long and the field elevation is 2,800 MSL. On the east
and west side of the runway are mountains that rise about 1,200 above the runway.
There are larger mountains on the north and south ends as wellbut there
is more distance between the runway and elevated rock! Counting last yearwe
have made 5 trips to HVR. Tent camping is also available without reservations.
I just received an email from Lucia Perez at HVR letting me know that there
are several other cabins (Bearcat, Piper & Cub) available at this time. It isfirst
comefirst served! We have a cabin The Husky reserved and it is now full.
Should you call HVR and talk to Luciaplease mention my name. She knows me/us
well! They have 6 large log cabins (sleep 6 to 8 adults) and 4 bunkhouses
(single room log cabin with two twin bedsyou use the camping shower/toilet facilities).
They do a great job with maintaining the restrooms and everything
else.
We live in Mobile, AL and fly out of a private strip that is 15 miles south of
Mobile Downtown Airport (BFM). Our plan is to depart Mobile either late Wednesday
afternoon, fly part way and finish the trip on Thursday morningor just leave
really early Thursday morning and fly direct. Wednesday the 8th is our 20
wedding anniversaryso our plans for the 8th are still a little foggy! Ive leaving
that up to Kathyand yesIts been a wonderful 20 years! If we fly out on
Wednesday, we will either spend the night at Monroeville, AL (MVC) and eat Catfish
for dinner, or Alexander City, AL (ALX)and eat Catfish for dinner. Both
are good choices. ...sort of a theme going on there!
We currently have 7 confirmed from our area. That will possibly grow. Below are
our activity plans. You are welcome to join us or do your own thing.
Thursday afternoon we will drive over to Helton Creek Falls and play in the water
and conclude the day with a cookout. Bring your own piece of meat and well
add some seasoned green beans and garlic bread to round it out.
Friday we will head out early for the Nantahala Gorge. From there, we will tackle
the forces of the Nantahala River via our inflatable kayaks. A day on the
river certainly calls for a low country boil for dinner. Well season up the
bucket with crab boil, garlic, some dirty socksand other proprietary ingredientsthen
throw in some taters, onions, more garlic, sausage, shrooms (mushrooms)
and whole green beans. Well throw it out on the table with some melted butter
and dig in. Sorryno forks allowed!
Saturday is open for flying somewhere. There is a working museum in Sevierville,
TN we may fly to. One person in our group is wanting to do some panning for
gems so we have several options to choose from for the day. We will finish
off the evening with dinner at either Lennys or the Mexican restaurant.
Sunday we will head for home.
If you would like more info please feel free to email or PM me. I will include
a few pictures.
Travis :D
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Free Wheeling Prop |
Jeff,
Most likely stuck valves.. Lowell is correct, Marvels or some
ATF. typically about 4-6 oz per 10 gallons.
Are you using TCP when using 100LL ? If not you may want to start. We have
it in stock. The TCP is the lead scavenger.. the carrying agent is
something very similar to Marvels.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeff puls
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Free Wheeling Prop
What happens when you can turn the prop and it just keeps cycling and then
about 100 rotations later you feel a little compression. It flies fine at
high RPMS. My friend has a speedster with a 912 in it. Any thoughts, he is
at his wits end. He is ready to pull the heads. Thanks. Jeff Classic IV KTZR
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| Subject: | vortex gererators |
I have a model 1 Kitfox and am putting VG's on. Can anyone help me
find the sweet spot?
Dan
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| Subject: | Free Wheeling Prop |
Agree most likely the problem
On my C172 ('84) same issue I had it in the
rental pool and nobody including the A&P said
anything about a slight miss at idle until it was
to late and a valve was burned badly. The engine
was under warrantee and Lyc paid for the repair.
When we looked at the other valves all showed
erosion from the valves sticking open for quite
some time. On disassembly lead deposits on the
valve stems was the reason for sticking valves.
Lyc said to continue the warrantee I would have
to use their oil additive and cut the oil change intervals in half.
Sold the plane when it got time to replace the engine.
Conclusion: lead is bad.
Paul
============
At 09:12 AM 8/20/2008, you wrote:
>Jeff,
> Most likely stuck valves.. Lowell
> is correct, Marvels or some ATF=85 typically about 4-6 oz per 10 gallons.
>
>Are you using TCP when using 100LL ? If not you
>may want to start. We have it in stock. The
>TCP is the lead scavenger.. the carrying agent
>is something very similar to Marvels.
>
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>Ph 208.337.5111
>www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
>----------
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeff puls
>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:03 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Free Wheeling Prop
>
>What happens when you can turn the prop and it
>just keeps cycling and then about 100 rotations
>later you feel a little compression. It flies
>fine at high RPMS. My friend has a speedster
>with a 912 in it. Any thoughts, he is at his
>wits end. He is ready to pull the heads. Thanks. Jeff Classic IV KTZR
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
I have about 10 hours on my 7 now and I am loving it but I have a "heavy' left
wing. I have adjusted the flaperons a bit to try to fix the problem but I don't
really want to move them much more. I know this condition can be fixed by
adjusting the struts but am unsure which end bearing to adjust and which way.
basically, while in cruise configuration my airplane tends to bank ever so slightly
to the left if I don't maintain some right stick pressure. It would be
awesome if these airplanes had a manual flaperon trim. Anyway, I would think
that turning the left front rod bearing out a few turn to raise the LE of the
left wing a touch or do just the opposite to the right side would help but I
wanted to get an opinion from the group.
By the way, this thing is a great performer! This morning I was truing out at
117 mph at 6500' at about 65% - 70% power (30 in. MAP). The climb is outrageous
and the deck angle can be downright scary steep. I have yet to push it but
I can easily maintain 1200 ft./min. at 70 mph so I am nowhere near Vx.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
>I have about 10 hours on my 7 now and I am loving it but I have a
>"heavy' left wing...I would think that turning the left front rod
>bearing out a few turn to raise the LE of the left wing a touch or
>do just the opposite to the right side would help but I wanted to
>get an opinion from the group.
That's what I had to do, Darin. I turned them about 1/2 turn each
time and would go fly to see how it did. It took several iterations
to get her to fly straight and level hands off, but it worked. Make
sure that you don't loosen any of them past the hole on the side.
Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
I have a question as well. How is the rudder trim. I found that once I put
the tab on the rudder, the wing lost weight.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "Heavy" wing on Series 7
>
>>I have about 10 hours on my 7 now and I am loving it but I have a "heavy'
>>left wing...I would think that turning the left front rod bearing out a
>>few turn to raise the LE of the left wing a touch or do just the opposite
>>to the right side would help but I wanted to get an opinion from the
>>group.
>
> That's what I had to do, Darin. I turned them about 1/2 turn each time
> and would go fly to see how it did. It took several iterations to get her
> to fly straight and level hands off, but it worked. Make sure that you
> don't loosen any of them past the hole on the side.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
>
>I have a question as well. How is the rudder trim. I found that
>once I put the tab on the rudder, the wing lost weight.
That's an excellent point, Lowell. Before adjusting your lift
struts, make sure that the slip/skid ball is centered when evaluating
the problem. I had to add a rudder tab as well as adjust the struts
before I was happy with it.
Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
Darin,
Determine if it is indeed a wing heavy or a yaw condition.
Give me a shout when you get a chance.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: "Heavy" wing on Series 7
I have about 10 hours on my 7 now and I am loving it but I have a "heavy'
left wing. I have adjusted the flaperons a bit to try to fix the problem
but I don't really want to move them much more. I know this condition can
be fixed by adjusting the struts but am unsure which end bearing to adjust
and which way. basically, while in cruise configuration my airplane tends
to bank ever so slightly to the left if I don't maintain some right stick
pressure. It would be awesome if these airplanes had a manual flaperon
trim. Anyway, I would think that turning the left front rod bearing out a
few turn to raise the LE of the left wing a touch or do just the opposite to
the right side would help but I wanted to get an opinion from the group.
By the way, this thing is a great performer! This morning I was truing out
at 117 mph at 6500' at about 65% - 70% power (30 in. MAP). The climb is
outrageous and the deck angle can be downright scary steep. I have yet to
push it but I can easily maintain 1200 ft./min. at 70 mph so I am nowhere
near Vx.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
rear struts affect dihedral and incidence. if the dihedral is where it should
be adjust only the front struts, possibly 1/2 in and out on each.
I love using a digital level when working with rigging adjustments. a complete
trial rig of the Hatz biplane took about an hour with a digital level to zero
in on the values.
John
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I have about 10 hours on my 7 now and I am loving it but I have a "heavy' left
> wing. I have adjusted the flaperons a bit to try to fix the problem but I don't
> really want to move them much more. I know this condition can be fixed by
> adjusting the struts but am unsure which end bearing to adjust and which way.
> basically, while in cruise configuration my airplane tends to bank ever so
> slightly to the left if I don't maintain some right stick pressure. It would
be
> awesome if these airplanes had a manual flaperon trim. Anyway, I would think
> that turning the left front rod bearing out a few turn to raise the LE of the
> left wing a touch or do just the opposite to the right side would help but I
> wanted to get an opinion from the group.
>
> By the way, this thing is a great performer! This morning I was truing out at
> 117 mph at 6500' at about 65% - 70% power (30 in. MAP). The climb is outrageous
> and the deck angle can be downright scary steep. I have yet to push it but I
> can easily maintain 1200 ft./min. at 70 mph so I am nowhere near Vx.
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199656#199656
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>rear struts affect dihedral and incidence. if the dihedral is where
it should be adjust only the front struts, possibly 1/2 in and out on each.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I love using a digital level when working with rigging adjustments.
a complete trial rig of the Hatz biplane took about an hour with a digital level
to zero in on the values.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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<BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh"
<GERNS25@NETSCAPE.NET><BR>> <BR>> I have about 10 hours on my 7
now and I am loving it but I have a "heavy' left <BR>> wing. I have adjusted
the flaperons a bit to try to fix the problem but I don't <BR>> really want
to move them much more. I know this condition can be fixed by <BR>> adjusting
the struts but am unsure which end bearing to adjust and which way. <BR>>
basically, while in cruise configuration my airplane tends to bank ever so
<BR>> slightly to the left if I don't maintain some right stick pressure.
It would be <BR>> awesome if these airplanes had a manual flaperon trim. Anyway,
I would think <BR>> that turning the left front rod bearing out a few
turn to raise the LE of the <BR>> left wing a to
uch or
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| Subject: | Re: Aveoflash strobe lights (Leading Edge) |
Mark,
I got his idea from Mark Ferkin in Idaho. He had built a Rans S7 after
having built a Model I, II and IV. On the Rans, there are no upper false
ribs, but rather a 12" aluminum strip that is glued to the spar and then
riveted to each of the ribs at the aft edge. I did this on my Model IV to
try to improve the leading edge conformance with Mr. Riblets airfoil design.
It is not a particularly difficult project, but needs some attention as the
aluminum doesn't want to conform to the shape of the rib. I have one done,
and want to attatch the wing tip and cover before removing it from the
rotissarie to start on the other one. If anyone else wants to try this,
drop a note and I will describe the pitfalls and the solutions I found.
Keeping in mind that the airplane won't fly until late next year at the
earliest so this is all in the prototype stage.
As I was working on it someone came by, saw what I was doing and mentioned
that he had talked to Harry Riblet once and was told that the most important
part of any airfoil was the first ten percent of the chord. The issue is
keeping the airflow laminar over the top of the wing. On our 42 inch chord
that would be the first four or five inches, right where the spar support
ends and the false ribs begin - the dip between ribs and false ribs. On
thinking about this, I suspect having the airfoil as designed in the first
10% the most significant performance enhancement would be stall speed. Only
time will tell.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <mscotter@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Aveoflash strobe lights
>
> Lowell, I noticed you mentioned aluminum leading edge wings. Care to
> elaborate on that?
>
> Mark Scott
> Elkton, MD USA
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> Thanks for this link. There is a multi part article in Kitplanes
>> relating
>> to home brew LED position lights. Being the tinkerer that I am, I was
>> planning to go with their plan, but was hoping for a compact strobe only
>> light to make my system complete. This is the last step in allowing me
>> to
>> do final assembly of my aluminum leading edge wings and cover them to see
>> what they will look like covered.
>>
>> Lowell
>> Model IV under construstion
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
I have the same problem in my Kitfox III. I was told by a friend to be sure
I had the ball centered. My ball is on the right side of my panel so
parallax was screwing up my view of the ball. I plan to put a trim tab on
the rudder to help.
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
Kitfox III Sn. 1000, 912, Grove
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: "Heavy" wing on Series 7
>
> I have about 10 hours on my 7 now and I am loving it but I have a "heavy'
> left wing. I have adjusted the flaperons a bit to try to fix the problem
> but I don't really want to move them much more. I know this condition can
> be fixed by adjusting the struts but am unsure which end bearing to adjust
> and which way. basically, while in cruise configuration my airplane tends
> to bank ever so slightly to the left if I don't maintain some right stick
> pressure. It would be awesome if these airplanes had a manual flaperon
> trim. Anyway, I would think that turning the left front rod bearing out a
> few turn to raise the LE of the left wing a touch or do just the opposite
> to the right side would help but I wanted to get an opinion from the
> group.
>
> By the way, this thing is a great performer! This morning I was truing
> out at 117 mph at 6500' at about 65% - 70% power (30 in. MAP). The climb
> is outrageous and the deck angle can be downright scary steep. I have yet
> to push it but I can easily maintain 1200 ft./min. at 70 mph so I am
> nowhere near Vx.
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199656#199656
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Free Wheeling Prop |
Thanks John, we will give it a try. Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Free Wheeling Prop
Jeff,
Most likely stuck valves.. Lowell is correct, Marvels or
some ATF. typically about 4-6 oz per 10 gallons.
Are you using TCP when using 100LL ? If not you may want to start.
We have it in stock. The TCP is the lead scavenger.. the carrying agent
is something very similar to Marvels.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeff puls
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:03 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Free Wheeling Prop
What happens when you can turn the prop and it just keeps cycling and
then about 100 rotations later you feel a little compression. It flies
fine at high RPMS. My friend has a speedster with a 912 in it. Any
thoughts, he is at his wits end. He is ready to pull the heads. Thanks.
Jeff Classic IV KTZR
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| Subject: | Re: Free Wheeling Prop |
Thanks Lowell. We will give it a try.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Free Wheeling Prop
>
> Jeff, had this happen to me once. We were on our way to Oshkosh and
> stopped in wyoming for fuel. It was after fueling that the prop felt like
> a turbine was behind it. One of our guys is a heavy machine maint. tech
> in the mining industry of Nevada. His suggestion was a touch of Marvel
> Mystery Oil so we went into town, but no luck finding it. As second best,
> he suggested a couple of quarts of automatic transmission fluid, one in
> each fuel tank.
>
> After the mentioned 100 or so rotations, it came to life. We took an
> evening flight around the countryside and never a problem since. I did
> have one light cylinder from time to time before that. We thought it was
> sticking valves. Incidentally, on cross country flights we were using
> 100LL. There have been several accounts of list members using Marvel
> Mystery Oil from time to time. I always carried with me after that, but
> never used it.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:03 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Free Wheeling Prop
>
>
> What happens when you can turn the prop and it just keeps cycling and then
> about 100 rotations later you feel a little compression. It flies fine at
> high RPMS. My friend has a speedster with a 912 in it. Any thoughts, he is
> at his wits end. He is ready to pull the heads. Thanks. Jeff Classic IV
> KTZR
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
Thanks guys for the advice...the ball is centered and still tends to bank. The
bank is very slight, in fact, it is so slight that I think it may be simply from
my weight on the left side without a passenger. I don't think I will need
a rudder trim tab and will try turning the struts out or in 1/2 turn at a time.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
I have been flying my 5/7 for four years now and have still not adjusted
anything. The reason is that I can not decide what to adjust. Sometimes it
is the left wing that is low and sometimes it is the right wing. Nothing is
too bad.
I know that it partly depends upon if I am climbing hard, or have the engine
pulled to idle in a descent, but (in cruise) I think it also depends upon
whether I have a passenger or not. I suggest that you wait until you do
some test flights with some concrete bags in the right seat.
Lowell's point has given me more ammunition for procrastination. :-)
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "Heavy" wing on Series 7
I have a question as well. How is the rudder trim. I found that once I put
the tab on the rudder, the wing lost weight.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "Heavy" wing on Series 7
>
>>I have about 10 hours on my 7 now and I am loving it but I have a "heavy'
>>left wing...I would think that turning the left front rod bearing out a
>>few turn to raise the LE of the left wing a touch or do just the opposite
>>to the right side would help but I wanted to get an opinion from the
>>group.
>
> That's what I had to do, Darin. I turned them about 1/2 turn each time
> and would go fly to see how it did. It took several iterations to get her
> to fly straight and level hands off, but it worked. Make sure that you
> don't loosen any of them past the hole on the side.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
The right wing of my model 3 was also 'heavy.' I was thinking to adjust the struts
but then I first measured the angle of each wing at the root and the tip.
I don't remember exactly but I think it was 11 and 13.5 degrees (taildragger!).
Also, 2.5 degrees washout. And it was exactly the same for both wing. So I thought
it wouldn't be wise to change the struts. I also considered the rudder
but this 'leaning to the right' happens with the ball in the center.
I then went for this solution: A small piece of aluminium bended downward near
the root of the left flaperon. It did the trick. Unfortunately it was only provisory
fixed with double-side tape and I lost it. I must make a new one and fix
it better. But ... first I need my pilot license back! :-(
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded.
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
As a former modeler, I always say get a balanced and true aircraft first by
looking at adjusting CG, dihedral, wing wash out, rudder trim, etc. for hands
off trim with power off. That way when you are dead stick you don't have
your hands full trimming and looking for a spot to land at the same time. Once
set up perfectly for glide, the only complication with power on should be to
adjust side thrust and/or down thrust as needed to get a tame aircraft with
minimal trim change.
My 2 cents. Now I'm going back to eternal lurking.........
John Z.
In a message dated 8/20/2008 3:32:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gerns25@netscape.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Thanks guys for the advice...the ball is centered and still tends to bank.
The bank is very slight, in fact, it is so slight that I think it may be
simply from my weight on the left side without a passenger. I don't think I will
need a rudder trim tab and will try turning the struts out or in 1/2 turn at
a time.
--------
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Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Look out below |
Thanks for the kind words. To answer the questions I have a model IV 1200 with
a 912 ul built by Tom Speckman from Cinn. OH he completed the build in 1996 and
flew for a total time of 102.5 when sold to me. I've since replaced all the
fuel lines. This winter I plan to rebuild carbs, replace fuel pump, and replace
oil and coolant hoses because of their age. I live in northern Maryland in
harford county about a mile south of the Mason Dixon line and will be based
out of 0P2 in PA, that is until I get my airstrip finished at my house. I took
my training at W48 Essex Skypark it is just north of ADIZ in class D of KMTN
under the class B of BWI. I flew up to Cecil 58M in Elkton, MD on my solo cross
country, nice airport. The reason for the prop switch was the 5 year 500 hour
GSC Service bulletin and stories of in flight blade departures. My GSC hub
had no gap so I questioned the fact it might have been over torqued. The Warp
drive I installed is a 70" taper tip set to 11.5 degree gives me 5500 max straight
and level and feels smooth and climbs really nice. The original spinner
looked nice but had a lot of holes in the back plate after the new prop was
installed. A Skystar service bulletin addressed the back plate cracking behind
different props so I removed as a precaution. I have a new composite spinner
to install and dress up the front. I really like this plane it is to much
fun.
Nick W.
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Rotax 912ul
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| Subject: | Elevator pivot tabs |
I have a problem where one tab on the end of the elevators is about a 64ths off
which causes the bolt to go in crooked is causing some binding and the left center
tab, one hole is about a 32nd off and the bolt will not go through. I sent
John at Kitfox an email and am awaiting a response. Any suggestions from you
guys.
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
Adjusting the flaperons really won't change anything because they will return to
neutral and the only thing that will change position is your stick...a little
to one side or the other depending on which aileron you changed the linkage
on.
If it's banking to the left...you can shorten the left rear or raise the left front...or
a small combination of both. You can also make minor changes on the
right wing. It would be just the opposite of the left wing.
Do you have a ball? ...slip/skid indicator. Is it running in the center? It is
possible you have an issue other than the wing.
Travis :)
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Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
Darin - my model 2 tends to bank slightly to the left also, when it's just
me and no fuel in the reserve tank. With a passenger in the right seat or
fuel in the (right, I only have 1) reserve fuel tank it loses the bank, with
a passenger and reserve fuel it will bank right. So I figure it's set up
just right!
I would suggest you try all loading configurations before making changes.
BTW my rudder has a right-deflecting permanent trim tab, to minimise the
effect I think.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: 20 August 2008 3:31 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7
Thanks guys for the advice...the ball is centered and still tends to bank.
The bank is very slight, in fact, it is so slight that I think it may be
simply from my weight on the left side without a passenger. I don't think I
will need a rudder trim tab and will try turning the struts out or in 1/2
turn at a time.
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Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
It just so happens I took my feet off of the rudder peddles last week and
after about 700 hours I found the plane turns 90 deg per minute to the
right. The ball is centered and the wings are level. I could hardly believe
it. I know you have to fly the rudder on the early models but I can not
believe I never noticed it before. The vertical fin does not look to have
any offset to counter torque. Have not looked at the builders manual to see
what was recommended. The only recent change to airframe is the King Fox
tires. Maybe misalignment of wheels multiplied by the huge tires? I doubt
that as it is too close to the yaw axis(is that the vertical axis? been too
long since ground school). My hand out of the door was nil. I hate to put a
trim on the rudder but would relieve tension in my left foot .
Dwight Purdy
model ll
At 10:11 AM 8/20/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>
>>I have a question as well. How is the rudder trim. I found that once I
>>put the tab on the rudder, the wing lost weight.
>
>That's an excellent point, Lowell. Before adjusting your lift struts,
>make sure that the slip/skid ball is centered when evaluating the
>problem. I had to add a rudder tab as well as adjust the struts before I
>was happy with it.
>
>Mike G.
>N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
>Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator pivot tabs |
Jorge,
I had the same problem w/my KF-IV. Your best advice will come from John...but
I was told to start at the inboard and work out inserting the pins. I needed
a co-pilot to help me nurse it into position, but it worked out fine.
Dan B
Mesa, AZ KF-IV 912s
jlfernan <jlfernan@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I have a problem where one tab on the end of the elevators is about a 64ths off
which causes the bolt to go in crooked is causing some binding and the left center
tab, one hole is about a 32nd off and the bolt will not go through. I sent
John at Kitfox an email and am awaiting a response. Any suggestions from you
guys.
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| Subject: | "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
Not to long ago=2C there was a post on either this or the Avid list about s
omeone that had rigged up a lazer level on the wings that would shoot a dot
onto the hangar wall that was compared to a level line on the wall and th
e wings were adjusted to being the same that way. They said it really work
ed great and was much more acurate than just a level=2C and everyone on the
field wanted him to do it to their plane. I have yet to try it=2C but I i
ntend to do it one of these days. Jim Chuk
Kitfox 4 building=2C Avid MK IV flying=2C Avid B just sold. MN> Date: Wed
=2C 20 Aug 2008 09:40:42 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> From: Michae
lGibbs@cox.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "Heavy" wing on Series 7> > --> K
itfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>> > >I ha
ve about 10 hours on my 7 now and I am loving it but I have a > >"heavy' le
ft wing...I would think that turning the left front rod > >bearing out a fe
w turn to raise the LE of the left wing a touch or > >do just the opposite
to the right side would help but I wanted to > >get an opinion from the gro
up.> > That's what I had to do=2C Darin. I turned them about 1/2 turn each
> time and would go fly to see how it did. It took several iterations > to
get her to fly straight and level hands off=2C but it worked. Make > sure t
hat you don't loosen any of them past the hole on the side.> > Mike G.> N72
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL/Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or fiction? |
I=92m going linux on one computer to try it... J
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Espuny
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:28 PM
Subject: RES: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL/Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or
fiction?
I had to go to 4 GB in my Dell to stop reading Vista's window "Your
computer
ran out of memory. Close..." everyday.
Software needs grow faster than hardware resources.
De: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Dave
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 18 de agosto de 2008 22:05
Para: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL/Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or
fiction?
Limited sales was not a requirement. Every McDonalds used a TRS-80 for a
long time running that green screen order tracking.
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From: Noel Loveys <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL/Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or
fiction?
Fuelling on the move... Sounds like something best left to an air force.
64 KB of memory is enough if you are only doing one job. I think modern
computers use most of their memory for Graphic user interface My first
computer, a TRS 80, only had 32 Kb of memory and I used it as a cash
register for several years. Ok I had very limited sales.
Thanks for the info.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Espuny
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: RES: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL/Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or
fiction?
No. First sensors were impedance meters inside the tank. It was
accurate,
but took a long time for the reading and the engine sometimes had to run
several minutes on a wrong mixture and timing set.
Now there's a sensor integrated to float that tells the ECM that volume
has
changed in a sudden, so ECM uses lambda sound (is it right??) reading to
determine a new fuel standard for real time mixture setup and timing
setup
because changes on fuel composition are predictable by exhaust gas
analysis
(as you have just two fuels blended and knows how each one behaves). I
think that realtime processing would take too much time , so the ECM
just
worries about it when you add some fuel to the tank. But ECM will still
be
correcting the injection behaviour in real time for other reasons, as
atmospheric pressure, as it does in gas injected engines. Note that
first
ECM has to know what's the fuel to be able to make further minor
corrections.
I extracted this information from a technical text, signed by an
automotive
engineer and I didn't know it two days ago..
It's not perfect, but remember how we had 64 KB memory PCs in the late
80's
and how things evolve quickly in electronic market. And no one is gonna
fill
the tank while driving.
Or, is anyone going to do that just to experience a bug ? :)
De: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Noel Loveys
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 18 de agosto de 2008 14:03
Para: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Assunto: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL/Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or
fiction?
Espuny
You make good points...
Is the fuel quality sensor integrated into your fuel gauge? I find that
point most interesting.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Espuny
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: RES: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL/Ethanol Myths - Facts and/or
fiction?
Hi, Noel ,
I really don=92t think the exhaust systems are a weak point. Ethanol
burns at
a lower temperature than gasoline and I=92d be surprised if the exhaust
while
having a higher water content may not be as corrosive, especially to
stainless steel exhaust parts.
There's a lot of water and the first thing we notice long ago was early
exhaust corrosion.
I realize the engines probably don=92t have variable compression ratios
but
without that they cannot be true flexible fuel units.
You're right, but it works very well.
The EFI and CDI processor controlled injectors and ignition is a good
start
only if they also have the sensors developed and installed to analyze
the
fuel.
They have it. I told you twice.
I doubt they actually go through the expense of that but just
continually
adjust the tune of the car for a reasonably smooth engine operation.
Try one. I drive my flex GM pickup everyday. It's fine.
Either that or the engines have been built from the crank up only to
operate
efficiently on ethanol. I doubt the latter because most of the world is
still using either Diesel or gasoline and they have to make their cars
for
the world market. You can be sure mass manufacturers will do whatever
they
consider to be the cheapest.
Maybe, but consummers make high pressure on quality levels and
performance.
The factories research a lot because there's too much competition.
As for importing ethanol from countries like your own, where it is made
from
excess cane, there is as much chance of that happening as there is of
striking oil in the backyard. Farming lobbies who are now being plied
with
money to produce ethanol crops would revolt and I can=92t say I=92d
blame them.
The only answer is an alternate form of fuel. Then northern famers can
return their fields to food production and the whole world benefits.
I=92ve
said it several times before and I=92ll say it again... We have a fuel
supply
problem... Ethanol isn=92t the answer ( at least in the north ) Ethanol
is
preventing a good viable answer from being found.
The best present alternative is always one we do have available. Better
a
non-perfect reality than a perfect dream never come true.
I have been told Ethanol actually gives off more CO2 than
gasoline...just
not at the tailpipe. Ethanol supporters say the CO2 produced in the
fermentation process can be captured and put into welding tanks and soft
drinks... First there is only so much soda any one can drink and once
it is
opened it eventually will be released to the atmosphere. The same thing
is
true of CO2 welding shield gas... 100% of it is just released to the
atmosphere. Where is the drop in CO2 actually entering the atmosphere??
You're right again. There's too much CO2 resulting from fermentation and
it
goes into the air. And I don't believe the're gonna compress it into
cylinders and send it to Coca-Cola.
You don=92t have tens of millions of cars and you don=92t have to
transport
ethanol thousands of miles to get to the end customers. If I lived in
such
a land I=92d certainly use ethanol in my car, truck or boat but I think
I=92d
think long and hard before putting it in my plane.
We have about 30.000.000 running cars and considering trucks and other,
the
number goes to 50.000.000 (source is annual license taxes paid at each
state).
Ethanol is truck-transported for several thousand miles, as gas is,
because
production is concentrated in a wide but limited area today. That's why
costs vary so much inside my country.
There are also tank ships exporting our ethanol with no problems.
I wouldn't put it in my plane too. Not now.
Another thing that has not been mentioned is in the event of an accident
ethanol flames are invisible. Couple that with the increased volatility
of
the fuel and it becomes very dangerous to survivors and rescuers in the
event of an accident where the fuel tanks may be opened or leaking.
Same problem happend to wood made methanol fueled racing cars. They can
add
something to the fuel that makes flames visible if necessary, as they
did in
USA.
I also agree with you that with the advent of EFI and high CR engines a
lot
of the problems you had with ethanol will no doubt have disappeared.
Your
engines won=92t last as long but you may not keep the car that long any
way.
Manufacturers have a long way to go to make ethanol universally
acceptable.
Additives to give flame colour and reduce the organic gasses need to be
developed. Methods of transport and storage need to be developed. In
the
meantime we could be developing solar, wind and Geo-thermal sources of
energy not to mention better batteries for electric vehicles and
hydrogen
fuel sources just to name a few.
Our engines lasts very long. A garage owner was telling me that he is
worried about the decrease of demand because today's cars don't have to
be
fixed so often..
Things are never perfect, and the whole society is always evolving.
People use to say that if we are always waiting for perfection we'll
have
nothing to enjoy.
Let's really find a practic way to fuel our planes now without major
costs
increase or parts to be changed.
What I really want to Know by now is which are the AVGAS engines
possibilities for powering a Kitfox. There are few true Kitfox here and
there's a copy they call "Kitfox =C1guia" (Kitfox Hawk) but I want an
original. I've found two, but there were problems and didn't buy it. And
know I'm affraid because almost 100% of Kitfox planes here are Rotax
powered
and we have this question about ethanol gas and AVGAS. Our auto gas may
contain 25% ethanol ! Some people say AVGAS is not for Rotax (factory
did
not answer me yet).
So I think the way is to keep flying the Piper and purchase a Super
Sport
kit and prepare it to a certified AVGAS engine, if possible.
I'll write to Kitfox , but personnal experience is always more valuable.
So,
If anyone is flying a plane setted-up this way, I'd appreciate any
advice.
Espuny
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| Subject: | (Off-topic) Ancient computers. WAS 100LL/Ethanol Myths |
- Facts and/or fiction?
My first computer the TRS80 was actually a takeoff of the Sinclair. All the
basic commands were programmed onto individual keys... I still have it but
it's been years since I hooked it up to a television set. I stored all my
programs on a cassette tape the recorder and tape are still with the
computer. I also have a hard copy of all the programs I wrote. They were
printed put on a very quiet printer that used sugar paper. They also have
been stored for close to 30 years.
Good luck on getting your license back. I had a friend who is a chopper
pilot. A couple of years ago he had a big heart attack. After open heart
surgery and almost a year on leave he wqas able to return to flying
commercially. Mind you they gave him a battery of tests that would frighten
any one. As chief flight instructor and pilot for his company he was doing
a check out of power losses in tough situations and pulled the power of the
206 downwind at less than 1000' Both pilots are still recovering from that
one. The good news is just about the only part of hin that didn't take a
lickin' in the crash was his heart.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:37 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: (Off-topic) Ancient computers. WAS 100LL/Ethanol Myths
- Facts and/or fiction?
> From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca]
>My first computer, a TRS 80, only had 32 Kb of memory
Good Lord, are you that old, Noel? :-)
I started in 1979 with a Commodore Pet with also 32 Kb of memory but it had
a different processor than the Tandy. I still have it somewhere in my
basement. Maybe one day it will be a collectable item and worth a lot of
money ... (wishful thinking! :-)
Incidentally, yesterday came the official paper that I've lost my pilot
license. I start now the legal process of trying to get it again ... one
day. I know that some have got it back but it may take years ... :-(
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator pivot tabs |
My problem is not the order I put the bolts in. You can see in the photo below
how the left tab is shorter than the right.
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Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Just starting!
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| Subject: | Re: Aveoflash strobe lights (Leading Edge) |
My Avid MK IV Heavy Hauler also has the aluminum leading edge. Not sure if
it was on earlier models or not. I know it wasn't done on my Model B stol
wing. Jim Chuk kitfox 4 building Mn> From: lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> To: ki
tfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Aveoflash strobe lig
hts (Leading Edge)> Date: Wed=2C 20 Aug 2008 11:27:19 -0700> > --> Kitfox-L
ist message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>> > Mark=2C> > I
got his idea from Mark Ferkin in Idaho. He had built a Rans S7 after> havi
ng built a Model I=2C II and IV. On the Rans=2C there are no upper false> r
ibs=2C but rather a 12" aluminum strip that is glued to the spar and then>
riveted to each of the ribs at the aft edge. I did this on my Model IV to>
try to improve the leading edge conformance with Mr. Riblets airfoil design
.> It is not a particularly difficult project=2C but needs some attention a
s the> aluminum doesn't want to conform to the shape of the rib. I have one
done=2C> and want to attatch the wing tip and cover before removing it fro
m the> rotissarie to start on the other one. If anyone else wants to try th
is=2C> drop a note and I will describe the pitfalls and the solutions I fou
nd.> Keeping in mind that the airplane won't fly until late next year at th
e> earliest so this is all in the prototype stage.> > As I was working on i
t someone came by=2C saw what I was doing and mentioned> that he had talked
to Harry Riblet once and was told that the most important> part of any air
foil was the first ten percent of the chord. The issue is> keeping the airf
low laminar over the top of the wing. On our 42 inch chord> that would be t
he first four or five inches=2C right where the spar support> ends and the
false ribs begin - the dip between ribs and false ribs. On> thinking about
this=2C I suspect having the airfoil as designed in the first> 10% the most
significant performance enhancement would be stall speed. Only> time will
tell.> > Lowell> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mscotter@comcast.n
et>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>=3B <kitfox-list@matronics.com>> Sent:
Wednesday=2C August 20=2C 2008 6:00 AM> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Aveof
st.net> >> > Lowell=2C I noticed you mentioned aluminum leading edge wings.
Care to > > elaborate on that?> >> > Mark Scott> > Elkton=2C MD USA> > ---
----------- Original message ----------------------> > From: "Lowell Fitt"
<lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>> >>> >> Ryan=2C> >>> >> Thanks for this link. There
is a multi part article in Kitplanes > >> relating> >> to home brew LED po
sition lights. Being the tinkerer that I am=2C I was> >> planning to go wit
h their plan=2C but was hoping for a compact strobe only> >> light to make
my system complete. This is the last step in allowing me > >> to> >> do fin
al assembly of my aluminum leading edge wings and cover them to see> >> wha
t they will look like covered.> >>> >> Lowell> >> Model IV under construsti
============> > >
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
Travis,
You are right, the flaperons will simply find neutral...I thought of this after
adjusting them the first time. Don't really know what I was thinking when I
made the adjustment...I have moved them back and now plan to do a little more
investigation to determine if it is a bank or yaw issue.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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