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                           Kitfox-List Digest Archive
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Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:34 AM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7  (Michel Verheughe)
     2. 03:11 AM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7  (FlyboyTR)
     3. 05:04 AM - Re:   (Catz631@AOL.COM)
     4. 07:34 AM - Re: Elevator pivot tabs  (Guy Buchanan)
     5. 08:44 AM - Re: Elevator pivot tabs  (n85ae)
     6. 08:46 AM - Re: Elevator pivot tabs  (n85ae)
     7. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7  (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
     8. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: Elevator pivot tabs  (jdmcbean)
     9. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7  (Randy Daughenbaugh)
    10. 12:18 PM - Re: Elevator pivot tabs  (n85ae)
    11. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7  (steve eccles)
    12. 08:18 PM - Oshkosh?  (Michael Gibbs)
 
 
 
________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________


Time: 01:34:33 AM PST US
From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7

> From: darinh [gerns25@netscape.net]
> You are right, the flaperons will simply find neutral...

Of course they will, Darin. But there is still the possibility that e.g. there
is a slight warping in one of the flaperons. That would affect the banking attitude
because, as I wrote, using a small trim tab on my left flaperon helped.

Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... grounded.


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Time: 03:11:58 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7
From: "FlyboyTR" <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>


Darin,
Yep....You are not alone in the "I'll adjust one aileron..." scenario!  That is
a very common mistake. :) 

After I responded to your original post I found where someone had started a second
post on the same thread (I hate it when people do that!).  It makes a thread
hard to follow and clutters up the Forum.  OK...I'm off the soap-box!  [Laughing]

Anyway...It sounds like most things were already covered.  Yes, You do need to
determine whether it is a heavy wing or yaw.  Your Ball indicator needs to be
where you can see it and easily determine if you're centered or not.  This is
something that will change depending on your power setting and airspeed.  I ended
up with a small trim tab on my rudder and set it to center the ball at my
"usual" cruise speed.

I can't speak for the 7, but on the Series 5, you don't want to stall it in an
uncoordinated configuration!  That can be really bad on short final...or at low
altitude.

You have gotten some great advise from folks on this Forum.  I look forward to
hearing about exactly what is causing the problem.  Good Luck!

Travis   :D

--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240,  Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather


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Time: 05:04:55 AM PST US
From: Catz631@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:

Darin,
  As Lowell mentioned in his reply I too cured my heavy wing by adding a 
rudder trim tab. It now flys ball in the center hands off when you can find calm

air. (rare)
                                               Dick Maddux
                                               Fox 4-1200
                                               Pensacola,Fl


**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

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Time: 07:34:36 AM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator pivot tabs


At 03:32 PM 8/20/2008, you wrote:
>I have a problem where one tab on the end of the elevators is about 
>a 64ths off which causes the bolt to go in crooked is causing some 
>binding and the left center tab, one hole is about a 32nd off and 
>the bolt will not go through. I sent John at Kitfox an email and am 
>awaiting a response. Any suggestions from you guys.

         Me, I would elongate the holes using a Dremel with a burr. 
If you haven't covered, I'd consider replacing the thin plates with 
tubes, similar to that on the horizontal. Then you can use 
polyethylene bushings on all surfaces.


Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. 


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Time: 08:44:08 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator pivot tabs
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>


Simple fix, use a drill and reamer and go up to the next size larger bolt
and rebore the bushing to work with the larger bolt. If you can't do that
then you'll have to weld a new tab on.

That's the only things you can really do to fix it.

Regards,
Jeff


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Time: 08:46:49 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator pivot tabs
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>


If you do go to plastic bushings use Delrin, or better yet PEEK, Nylon
will wear out very fast if used for elevator bushings. PEEK is very 
expensive, Delrin is probably your best choice.

You can get the bushings from McMaster Carr http://www.mcmaster.com


Jeff


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Time: 08:47:05 AM PST US
From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7

any bias between left and right adjustment should be toward increasing washout
rather than washin.

John

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From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net> 

> 
> Thanks guys for the advice...the ball is centered and still tends to bank. The

> bank is very slight, in fact, it is so slight that I think it may be simply from

> my weight on the left side without a passenger. I don't think I will need a 
> rudder trim tab and will try turning the struts out or in 1/2 turn at a time.

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> Darin Hawkes 
> Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing) 
> 914 Turbo 
> Kaysville, Utah 
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________________________________  Message 8  _____________________________________


Time: 10:21:18 AM PST US
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator pivot tabs


Hey guys.. lets not confuse the Model IV elevators to the 5 and newer... 

Jorge,
	The simple fix is to open the hole slightly... Can most likely be
done with a reamer.  When the elevator tab is bolted on it will be up
against the inner bushing in the stabilizer and be just fine.


Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" 


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n85ae
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:47 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator pivot tabs


If you do go to plastic bushings use Delrin, or better yet PEEK, Nylon
will wear out very fast if used for elevator bushings. PEEK is very 
expensive, Delrin is probably your best choice.

You can get the bushings from McMaster Carr http://www.mcmaster.com


Jeff


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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199805#199805


________________________________  Message 9  _____________________________________


Time: 10:23:46 AM PST US
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7

Good point John!

Thanks,
Randy

Do not archive.

  _____  

From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7

any bias between left and right adjustment should be toward increasing
washout rather than washin.

John

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________________________________  Message 10  ____________________________________


Time: 12:18:59 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator pivot tabs
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>


John -

That would work, but it would not be acceptable from the accepted practices
point of view, since then you would have a hole larger in diameter than 
the bolt.

Obviously it won't be a serious problem, but I think going to a 1/4 dia. bolt
would be a better solution. That is if it is like a series 5 which uses bushings.

Regards,
Jeff


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________________________________  Message 11  ____________________________________


Time: 02:22:47 PM PST US
From: "steve eccles" <eccles@Chartermi.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7


I think that just about everyone has done that  me included sounds like it
would work but alas no good just moves the stick over a bit
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7


Travis,

You are right, the flaperons will simply find neutral...I thought of this
after adjusting them the first time.  Don't really know what I was thinking
when I made the adjustment...I have moved them back and now plan to do a
little more investigation to determine if it is a bank or yaw issue.

--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah


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________________________________  Message 12  ____________________________________


Time: 08:18:41 PM PST US
From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh?


Hey Mr. McBean,

How was Oshkosh this year?  Was the Kitfox the hit of the show?  :-)

Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ


 

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