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1. 12:46 AM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Michel Verheughe)
2. 03:16 AM - Re: 2009 Great Lakes Kitfox Fly In (jeff puls)
3. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Lynn Matteson)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: 2009 Great Lakes Kitfox Fly In (Lynn Matteson)
5. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Dan Billingsley)
6. 07:37 AM - Re: 2009 Great Lakes Kitfox Fly In (steve shinabery)
7. 11:34 AM - Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Michel Verheughe)
8. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Dan Billingsley)
9. 01:25 PM - what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (akflyer)
10. 01:42 PM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (Bob Brennan)
11. 05:34 PM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (Guy Buchanan)
12. 05:36 PM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (Guy Buchanan)
13. 05:46 PM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (Dwight Purdy)
14. 06:40 PM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (John W. Hart)
15. 07:32 PM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (Daniel Wild)
16. 08:03 PM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (akflyer)
17. 08:03 PM - Kitfox for sale: Model IV 1200 with 912UL (wingnut)
18. 08:09 PM - Used Rudder Torque Tubes...For Sale/Trade (pperrynas)
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
> From: darinh [gerns25@netscape.net]
> That is the way I understand it also. You did a much, much better job than
> explaining it though....Are you sure English is not your first language? [Wink]
Darin, you make me blush so much that my new pacemaker stands out like a white
spot on my chest! :-)
I went flying as a passenger with my son, yesterday. Again I tested carefuly the
plane: slight pressure on the right pedal to keep the ball in the center, level
flight and cruise speed. Release the stick ... the plane slowly moves nose
up and bank right.
The thing is: the measured angles at root and tip are exactly symmetrical and I
am not sure it would be wise to change the wash-out. As I wrote earlier, I had
a small tab bent down on the root of the left flaperon and it helped but ...
I lost it. I am thinking to put a new one but ... nobody commented that practice
so, ... do you have any other suggestion, guys? Should I try a tab on the
rudder instead?
The thing is; this is only a tiny problem when I fly alone (whenever or if I get
back my license!) and I want for example open a bottle of water using both hands.
Previously I pressed the stick with my right leg but it would feel better
if I could fly hands free for a short while.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... official passenger.
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| Subject: | Re: 2009 Great Lakes Kitfox Fly In |
Steve,
I'll be there God willing. Jeff Classic IV KTZR
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve shinabery" <shinco@bright.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 2009 Great Lakes Kitfox Fly In
>
> Hey every one on the list..I am going to plan for another Great Lakes
> Area Kitfox Fly In...I am thinking the weekend after the fourth of July
> 2009..at Lake Field Airport [CQA] Celina Ohio..all so I will have a rain
> date ..I want to move it at this time frame..because I think ..the
> weather would be better here in Ohio at this time in stead of in
> March....I had it planed for March of this year and we got cold and
> rain+ wind,all weekend..if needed you could camp out here all so..or may
> be I could have the fly in.some time in Aug.of 2009.. I would like to
> know from every one what they think on these dates....it will be a fun
> time..for the Kitfox Family+ friends...let me know what every one
> thinks...Thanks STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
Do you have *any* form of elevator trim control? Either a ground-
bendable mechanical trim tab or servo-controlled trim tab? That would
be a way to control the nose up movement, and a similar trim tab on
the rudder would allow you to control the right banking tendency. If
you have both of those, you'll be able to pull a cork from a bottle
of wine with both hands AND cut the cheese as well. : ) (I'd wait
until on the ground before consuming any of the wine, however)
The way I understand it, the ground-adjustable trim tabs only work at
a specific airspeed...any faster or slower (within reason) than what
you have set if for, and it doesn't correct as much, or it corrects
too much....nothing very radical, just slight.
I can fly my plane hands off for several minutes at a time after
setting the elevator trim (electric) if the wind isn't too great.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 24, 2008, at 3:45 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: darinh [gerns25@netscape.net]
>> That is the way I understand it also. You did a much, much better
>> job than
>> explaining it though....Are you sure English is not your first
>> language? [Wink]
>
> Darin, you make me blush so much that my new pacemaker stands out
> like a white spot on my chest! :-)
>
> I went flying as a passenger with my son, yesterday. Again I tested
> carefuly the plane: slight pressure on the right pedal to keep the
> ball in the center, level flight and cruise speed. Release the
> stick ... the plane slowly moves nose up and bank right.
>
> The thing is: the measured angles at root and tip are exactly
> symmetrical and I am not sure it would be wise to change the wash-
> out. As I wrote earlier, I had a small tab bent down on the root of
> the left flaperon and it helped but ... I lost it. I am thinking to
> put a new one but ... nobody commented that practice so, ... do you
> have any other suggestion, guys? Should I try a tab on the rudder
> instead?
>
> The thing is; this is only a tiny problem when I fly alone
> (whenever or if I get back my license!) and I want for example open
> a bottle of water using both hands. Previously I pressed the stick
> with my right leg but it would feel better if I could fly hands
> free for a short while.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... official passenger.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2009 Great Lakes Kitfox Fly In |
Count me in, Steve....I hear the weather is supposed to be terrific
that weekend. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Aug 24, 2008, at 12:04 AM, steve shinabery wrote:
>
> Hey every one on the list..I am going to plan for another Great
> Lakes Area Kitfox Fly In...I am thinking the weekend after the
> fourth of July 2009..at Lake Field Airport [CQA] Celina Ohio..all
> so I will have a rain date ..I want to move it at this time
> frame..because I think ..the weather would be better here in Ohio
> at this time in stead of in March....I had it planed for March of
> this year and we got cold and rain+ wind,all weekend..if needed you
> could camp out here all so..or may be I could have the fly in.some
> time in Aug.of 2009.. I would like to know from every one what
> they think on these dates....it will be a fun time..for the Kitfox
> Family+ friends...let me know what every one thinks...Thanks
> STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
Again I tested
carefuly the plane: slight pressure on the right pedal to keep the ball in
the center
MIchel, Sounds like a yaw problem...try the rudder tab.
Dan B
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| Subject: | Re: 2009 Great Lakes Kitfox Fly In |
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Count me in, Steve....I hear the weather is supposed to be terrific
> that weekend. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> do not archive
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2008, at 12:04 AM, steve shinabery wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey every one on the list..I am going to plan for another Great Lakes
>> Area Kitfox Fly In...I am thinking the weekend after the fourth of
>> July 2009..at Lake Field Airport [CQA] Celina Ohio..all so I will
>> have a rain date ..I want to move it at this time frame..because I
>> think ..the weather would be better here in Ohio at this time in
>> stead of in March....I had it planed for March of this year and we
>> got cold and rain+ wind,all weekend..if needed you could camp out
>> here all so..or may be I could have the fly in.some time in Aug.of
>> 2009.. I would like to know from every one what they think on these
>> dates....it will be a fun time..for the Kitfox Family+ friends...let
>> me know what every one thinks...Thanks STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 270.6.7/1629 - Release Date: 8/23/2008 1:16 PM
>
>
Thanks Lynn,,Steve
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
Hello Lynn and Dan,
Well, I don't have any elevator trim but I trim pitch with the flaps handle whenever
I feel for it. The plane is balanced to climb at full throttle and sink
at idle. With the flaps handle, I can get it to fly level at cruise speed.
If I use the flap and keep level, whenever I free the stick, it still turns slightly
right.
The need for right pedal is, I think, normal due to the propeller's torque. I need
a substential push when I take off and can release it entirely on a descent
at idle.
So far, I think the plane is well balanced as it is. If I put a tab on the elevator,
... I risk to have problem to do a three-points landing since that's the
reason I never land with flaps on. If I put a tab on the rudder ... I risk to
need left pedal when idling down a descent. My last idea is then to put a corrective
tab to the flaperon. Doesn't it make sense?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... official passenger.
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| Subject: | Re: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
(The need for right pedal is, I think, normal due to the propeller's
torque.)
You are correct when on climbout (P-factor)...but if you need to keep your right
foot in it in straight and level flight, then in my opinion, the rudder tab
could help with the yaw. As for your pitch problem, I'm not familiar enough
with the model 7 to help. On my IV I have 3 vertical attachment points for the
leading edge of the HZ Stab. I might take a look at.
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV 912s building
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| Subject: | what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
Just what the title says. I am tired of the tower asking me to repeat, or telling
me I am unreadable due to the loud "buzzing" noise in the back ground. I
have checked it out with my brother flying and me listening in on my hand held
and the "buzzing" is the cockpit noise of the dang 2 stroke, not an electrical
or interference noise.
We are currently running a JHP-520 hand held, Flight com 5DX head sets and have
tried sigtronix, flight com and PSE Aerocom II. I have tried david clark headsets
as well and still have the dang 2 stroke scream. I know alot of guys are
using something that works. I plugged the headset directly into the radio and
it was worse. It seems that the PSE intercom has worked best, but still leaves
alot to be desired.
Dave, I noticed in your videos that you dont have the loud 2 stoke scream in the
back ground on your transmissions so what set up are you using?
I am wanting to order what ever it takes for my plane so I can fly direct over
the tower to my favorite destination and not annoy the tower with crappy transmission's.
Thanks
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
I'm happy with my Lynx Micro headsets and radio interface -
http://www.lynx-avionics.com/English_Site/E_Site_Index/e_frame_set.html.
They ain't cheap but the noise cancelling electret microphones + built-in
speech processor do the job pretty well, they are designed for use in open
cockpit (UK) ultralights where the 582 is almost a headrest and absolutely
nothing between you and the engine. Or you and the wind. Or you and the
ground! And my KF2 with 582 can *not* be flown without ear protection, the
db level can be disorienting otherwise.
They also have many configurations from single headset noise protection to
multiple headsets fully integrated into your radio system(s). Even helmets.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: 24 August 2008 4:25 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using
Just what the title says. I am tired of the tower asking me to repeat, or
telling me I am unreadable due to the loud "buzzing" noise in the back
ground. I have checked it out with my brother flying and me listening in on
my hand held and the "buzzing" is the cockpit noise of the dang 2 stroke,
not an electrical or interference noise.
We are currently running a JHP-520 hand held, Flight com 5DX head sets and
have tried sigtronix, flight com and PSE Aerocom II. I have tried david
clark headsets as well and still have the dang 2 stroke scream. I know alot
of guys are using something that works. I plugged the headset directly into
the radio and it was worse. It seems that the PSE intercom has worked best,
but still leaves alot to be desired.
Dave, I noticed in your videos that you dont have the loud 2 stoke scream in
the back ground on your transmissions so what set up are you using?
I am wanting to order what ever it takes for my plane so I can fly direct
over the tower to my favorite destination and not annoy the tower with
crappy transmission's.
Thanks
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
At 01:24 PM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
>I know alot of guys are using something that works. I plugged the
>headset directly into the radio and it was worse. It seems that the
>PSE intercom has worked best, but still leaves alot to be desired.
I borrowed a trick from the open cockpit fraternity. I
turned down the mic gain, (available internally on my Icom A200,) and
spoke louder. This raises the signal/noise and renders my speech much
more legible. My system is the cheap Lightspeed headset, Icom A200
com, and SP400 intercom.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
At 01:24 PM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
>I am tired of the tower asking me to repeat, or telling me I am
>unreadable due to the loud "buzzing" noise in the back ground. I
>have checked it out with my brother flying and me listening in on my
>hand held and the "buzzing" is the cockpit noise of the dang 2
>stroke, not an electrical or interference noise.
One more thing. It's always good to check the simple things.
Make sure your mic's turned around the right way. One side has the
noise cancelling mic and the other the voice mic. If they're turned
around, (it's easy to do,) your signal / noise goes right into the toilet.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
What mike is that?
Dwight Purdy
Model ll
At 08:35 PM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
>
>At 01:24 PM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
>>I am tired of the tower asking me to repeat, or telling me I am
>>unreadable due to the loud "buzzing" noise in the back ground. I
>>have checked it out with my brother flying and me listening in on
>>my hand held and the "buzzing" is the cockpit noise of the dang 2
>>stroke, not an electrical or interference noise.
>
> One more thing. It's always good to check the simple
> things. Make sure your mic's turned around the right way. One side
> has the noise cancelling mic and the other the voice mic. If
> they're turned around, (it's easy to do,) your signal / noise goes
> right into the toilet.
>
>
>Guy Buchanan
>San Diego, CA
>K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
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| Subject: | what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
Len,
I don't know for certain about the handheld you are using, but every damn
handheld I've tried in an airplane has had some problems with many different
things. I've never used an aviation handheld in the cockpit, but I've tried
a few different amateur radio handhelds, and the biggest problem I've
encountered with them is that the internal mic is NOT disconnected when an
external mic is plugged in resulting two mics in parallel, 1/2 the impedance
needed, and some draw down on mic voltage circuitry. The internal mics I've
dealt with ARE NOT directional mics, nor are they noise cancelling They
didn't work worth a flip out of the box. Cutting the connections on the
circuit boards at the internal mic solved most of the problem, and turning
the mic gain pot down also helped.
John Hart
KF IV
Wilburton, OK
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using
Just what the title says. I am tired of the tower asking me to repeat, or
telling me I am unreadable due to the loud "buzzing" noise in the back
ground. I have checked it out with my brother flying and me listening in on
my hand held and the "buzzing" is the cockpit noise of the dang 2 stroke,
not an electrical or interference noise.
We are currently running a JHP-520 hand held, Flight com 5DX head sets and
have tried sigtronix, flight com and PSE Aerocom II. I have tried david
clark headsets as well and still have the dang 2 stroke scream. I know alot
of guys are using something that works. I plugged the headset directly into
the radio and it was worse. It seems that the PSE intercom has worked best,
but still leaves alot to be desired.
Dave, I noticed in your videos that you dont have the loud 2 stoke scream in
the back ground on your transmissions so what set up are you using?
I am wanting to order what ever it takes for my plane so I can fly direct
over the tower to my favorite destination and not annoy the tower with
crappy transmission's.
Thanks
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
Are you using the rubber ducky antenna attached to your handheld mounted on
your dash? Try an external antenna mounted back in the rear of the plane.
Way better reception and less noise.
Dan Wild
Model 1
532
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From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using
Just what the title says. I am tired of the tower asking me to repeat, or
telling me I am unreadable due to the loud "buzzing" noise in the back
ground. I have checked it out with my brother flying and me listening in on
my hand held and the "buzzing" is the cockpit noise of the dang 2 stroke,
not an electrical or interference noise.
We are currently running a JHP-520 hand held, Flight com 5DX head sets and
have tried sigtronix, flight com and PSE Aerocom II. I have tried david
clark headsets as well and still have the dang 2 stroke scream. I know alot
of guys are using something that works. I plugged the headset directly into
the radio and it was worse. It seems that the PSE intercom has worked best,
but still leaves alot to be desired.
Dave, I noticed in your videos that you dont have the loud 2 stoke scream in
the back ground on your transmissions so what set up are you using?
I am wanting to order what ever it takes for my plane so I can fly direct
over the tower to my favorite destination and not annoy the tower with
crappy transmission's.
Thanks
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
djwild2(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> Are you using the rubber ducky antenna attached to your handheld mounted on
> your dash? Try an external antenna mounted back in the rear of the plane.
> Way better reception and less noise.
> Dan Wild
> Model 1
> 532
>
>
I have tried both ways. It was actually better using the rubber ducky than the
external in terms of the tower hearing me. I have a feeling that the big part
is the intercom not being a "high noise" intercom. I looked up the SPA-400
that Guy has and saw the 400N for high noise. Looks like I may be ordering one
of those.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Kitfox for sale: Model IV 1200 with 912UL |
I love my Kitfox but my wife wants me to upgrade to a four seater so that we can
use it for family vacations. Who am I to argue? Posting here first. I'll put
it up on Barnstormers after a bit. Asking $31K. Here are some details and a couple
of pictures:
912UL with 320 hours.
IVO in flight adjustable prop
Grove Gear with Tundra tires & Maule tail wheel
Wing and under seat lockers
Bendix/King navcom and transponder with mode C
Garmin GPS 150
Belly storage pod
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Used Rudder Torque Tubes...For Sale/Trade |
I just replaced the rudder torque tubes on my KF IV (that I purchased a couple
of months ago) and was wondering if anybody has any interest in the ones I took
out. They are the older style without the "gussets" and are red powder coated.
The right tube has a bend in the vertical rudder upright (pilot's side that
the brake pedal attaches to) at the weld where it attaches to the main tube.
The right brake wasn't holding very well and I believe the owner/builder bent
it some with excessive pressure when he was delivering it to me and then I continued
the process. Anyway, I would think that it is repairable and the left
tube appears to be fine. The plane was completed in 2001 and has only flown
about 88 hrs. I'm not a builder or welder so I opted to buy new from Kitfox and
wouldn't mind recouping some of my cost in cash or trade, if someone could use
these. If interested, send me an e-mail to pperryrph@sbcglobal.net, and by
the way, thanks to all that post and maintain this site as I have been able to
gain a bunch of valuable info as a new KF owner...Paul P.
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