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1. 04:18 AM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (dave)
2. 04:29 AM - Re: vortex gererators (dave)
3. 04:40 AM - Found a Kitfox kit close to me (kmccune)
4. 05:32 AM - General balance. WAS: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Michel Verheughe)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: General balance. WAS: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (Tom Jones)
6. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: vortex gererators (Daniel Wild)
7. 06:49 AM - Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (dave)
8. 07:39 AM - Re: Kitfox 4 kit for sale (Patrick Best)
9. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (Guy Buchanan)
10. 08:10 AM - Re: Found a Kitfox kit close to me (Guy Buchanan)
11. 08:10 AM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (Guy Buchanan)
12. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (Lynn Matteson)
13. 10:01 AM - Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (dave)
14. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (Dennis Golden)
15. 10:36 AM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (akflyer)
16. 10:44 AM - Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (dave)
17. 10:46 AM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (akflyer)
18. 10:56 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale: Model IV 1200 with 912UL (JetPilot)
19. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (Lynn Matteson)
20. 11:11 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale: Model IV 1200 with 912UL (wingnut)
21. 11:25 AM - Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (dave)
22. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (K&MCozik)
23. 11:42 AM - Re: General balance. (Michel Verheughe)
24. 11:58 AM - Re: Rudder Trim Tab (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
25. 12:19 PM - Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (phil@lakercustom.com)
26. 12:44 PM - Re: Kitfox 4 kit for sale (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
27. 01:02 PM - Re: Kitfox 4 kit for sale (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
28. 01:33 PM - Windsceen Lexan (Bob Brennan)
29. 01:57 PM - Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (dave)
30. 02:03 PM - Re: Found a Kitfox kit close to me (kmccune)
31. 02:08 PM - Re: Windsceen Lexan (dave)
32. 02:49 PM - Re: Rudder Trim Tab (Lynn Matteson)
33. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Bob Brennan)
34. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (patrick reilly)
35. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (Ted Palamarek)
36. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Lynn Matteson)
37. 04:31 PM - Re: Windsceen Lexan (Tom Jones)
38. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Bob Brennan)
39. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Bob Brennan)
40. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Bob Brennan)
41. 04:39 PM - Re: Windsceen Lexan (jerry evans)
42. 04:41 PM - Windsceen Lexan (fox5flyer)
43. 04:59 PM - Re: Windsceen Lexan (Tom Jones)
44. 05:01 PM - Re: Windsceen Lexan (Bob Brennan)
45. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Lynn Matteson)
46. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Larry Huntley)
47. 05:41 PM - Re: Windsceen Lexan (Lynn Matteson)
48. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (Dee Young)
49. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Bob Brennan)
50. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
51. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (Michael Gibbs)
52. 09:14 PM - Re: Re: Found a Kitfox kit close to me (Guy Buchanan)
53. 09:14 PM - Re: Re: General balance. (Guy Buchanan)
54. 09:14 PM - Re: Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (Guy Buchanan)
55. 11:40 PM - Re: General balance. (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
I use either a icom a -24 or a a 22 handheld through a sigtronics SPO22 N intercom.......
the N is for noise reduction circuit desigined for 2 strokes.
Headsets are Peltor - We sell them but I forget what model it is.
I will look it up if you need to know.
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| Subject: | Re: vortex gererators |
> ild2(at)hotmail.com
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> Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: vortex gererators
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> Mike,
> Thanks for the info. I spent a whole day moving the vg's around and came up
> with 5" back from the leading edge. That is about 10% back. I put one pair
> in each valley also. I don't think it reduced my stall speed much maybe 2-3
> mph but I like how it stalls. It's more like sinking than an abrupt break
> away.
> Dan
> kitfox
>
Dan, What changed in power on stalls ? And do you still get any buffeting and/or
stall warning?
I still have mine on ............ ihttp://www.cfisher.com/vg.html
Dave
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| Subject: | Found a Kitfox kit close to me |
I found a Kitfox 3 kit close to my house at a very reasonable price. I had started
building a scratch CH 701 but I really do like the features of the Kitfox
like the folding wing. They do fold on this model right? Anyway I'm here to ask
some questions. I believe that this thing will accept a Rotax 912 UL engine?
I am kinda set on the Raven G10 /G13 engines have these been used on this airframe
before? With The Rotax and VGs what kind of performance for take off, landing
and cruise ( with all the fairings added) I know its not a spot lander
or a helicopter, but then I really don't need it to be quite that.
There is something on the Kitfox site about Yaw on the model 2, was this corrected
on the 3 model?
How much fuel does it hold and where is it carried.
Sorry for jumping in and asking so many questions, but for one I want to compare
your answers to what the guy is saying and two like always someone else is looking
at it.
Thanks for any help.
Kevin
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| Subject: | General balance. WAS: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
> From: Dan Billingsley [dan@azshowersolutions.com]
> I'm not familiar enough with the model 7 to help.
Er ... no, Dan. The initial poster has a model 7 but I have a model 3.
I don't really have 'problems,' I was simply asking about general aircraft balance.
So you mean that for the rudder, I should need no pedal correction at level
flight and cruise speed. I can easily do that with a tab on the rudder. But
then, won't I need opposite pedal when descending at idle like, on final?
For the pitch, it is not a problem either. I can use the flaps as a trim. I was
simply describing the general attitude of my plane as a view on the slight right
bank I have and that I think can best be corrected with a tab on the aileron
but, so far, no one on the list seems to give it a thought.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as a PAX
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| Subject: | Re: General balance. WAS: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 |
> I was simply describing the general attitude of my plane as a view on the slight
right bank I have and that I think can best be corrected with a tab on the
aileron but, so far, no one on the list seems to give it a thought.
Michel, a trim tab on a flaperon has been used by Kitfox builders to correct for
a "heavy wing". I have seen one such tab that was installed near the inboard
end of the flaperon. It was about 8 inches long by 3 inches wide.
Back about 10 years maybe more, some Kitfox list members talked about installing
what they referred to as a wedge on the flaperon to do the same thing. Near
as I can remember the wedge was made of balsa wood, about 5 or six inches long
by an inch wide. The thick edge was about 1/4 inch or so thick. It was glued
on to the top of the trailing edge of the flaperon near the inboard end.
When painted to match the flaperon no one could even notice it.
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503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: vortex gererators |
Dave,
There is still some buffeting but just less. Easier to control.
Dan Wild
mdl 1
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From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: vortex gererators
> ild2(at)hotmail.com
> Guest
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> Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: vortex gererators
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Mike,
> Thanks for the info. I spent a whole day moving the vg's around and came
> up
> with 5" back from the leading edge. That is about 10% back. I put one pair
> in each valley also. I don't think it reduced my stall speed much maybe
> 2-3
> mph but I like how it stalls. It's more like sinking than an abrupt break
> away.
> Dan
> kitfox
>
Dan, What changed in power on stalls ? And do you still get any buffeting
and/or stall warning?
I still have mine on ............ ihttp://www.cfisher.com/vg.html
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
Well the original ad read
MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY $40,000 OFFERED FOR SALE Manufacturing Opportunity:
All rights, tooling, jigs for kitfox lite single seat a/c. Inc 2 kits. Contact
Michael Berglund, Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA Telephone: 602-684-1527
New ad reads the same but WITHOUT the KITFOX name attached....... gee I wonder
why ? Still my concern is that one ofhte Kitofx aircraft partners is selling
out part of the Kitfox name and business plus he is selling his own Kitfox and
his Baron. John Mc Bean -- Did you ever answer why one of your partners was
selling out ? I am totally supportive of you but this raise some concern for
me. ? Or should it ?
Dave
MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY $40,000 BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY OFFERED All rights, tooling,
jigs for single seat ultra lite a/c. Over 200 in field, Incl. 2 complete
kits. Contact Michael Berglund, Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA Telephone:
602-684-1527 Posted August 3, 2008 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser
Recommend This Ad to a Friend Email Advertiser Save to Watchlist Report
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| Subject: | Kitfox 4 kit for sale |
Does this have an engine?
Is this a Model 4 or a classic 4?
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: August 23, 2008 1:52 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 kit for sale
Hi all, no it's not mine, I saw this one on a craig's list add and
maybe someone is interested. Wings and gear were on the fusaloge, tanks
were not in the wings yet. Salem, Oregon $8500 503-508-5952 Jim Chuk
Kitfox 4 building, Avid flying Mn
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| Subject: | Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
At 08:02 PM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
>I have tried both ways. It was actually better using the rubber
>ducky than the external in terms of the tower hearing me.
More good data. Check the connection between the external antenna and
your airframe. Make sure it's good, electrically. I had a problem
with suddenly really lousy transmission / reception and it turned out
to be degradation of the electrical connection between the antenna
body and the steel frame, thereby eliminating my ground plane. It
happened after washing the plane.
>I have a feeling that the big part is the intercom not being a "high
>noise" intercom. I looked up the SPA-400 that Guy has and saw the
>400N for high noise. Looks like I may be ordering one of those.
I don't have the high-noise unit and mine works well. Hopefully you
can get a report on the high-noise unit.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Found a Kitfox kit close to me |
At 04:40 AM 8/25/2008, you wrote:
>They do fold on this model right?
Yes, they do fold, and easier than the IV, since you don't have to
disconnect the flaperons. However, whether it's easy to fold depends
on the builder. If you build knowing you're going to regularly fold
you can make it quite safe and simple. (I fold every time I fly,
which is usually 3-4 times a week.)
>Anyway I'm here to ask some questions.
A good place to do it.
>I believe that this thing will accept a Rotax 912 UL engine?
One of the Kitfoxes on our field is a 3 with a 912UL. Damn thing goes
nearly straight up.
>There is something on the Kitfox site about Yaw on the model 2, was
>this corrected on the 3 model?
All the Kitfoxes 1-3 had no adverse yaw reduction, and therefore
require substantially more rudder activity than your average Cessna
driver is used to. However the rudder force is very light so it's
easy enough to accomplish, even for long periods. Also, the IV had
substantially larger and fully symmetric flaperons, making it much
more responsive in roll.
>How much fuel does it hold and where is it carried.
That depends on the kit. I believe the 3 was still available with the
poly instrument panel tank. There were also various combinations of 6
and 13 gallon wing tanks. Depending on your fuel burn and bladder
capacity you can get rather dramatic endurance numbers. (How about 6
1/2 hours for a 912!)
>Sorry for jumping in and asking so many questions, but for one I
>want to compare your answers to what the guy is saying and two like
>always someone else is looking at it.
Well, if history is any judge, you'll get quite a variety of answers
here as well.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
At 05:45 PM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
>What mike is that?
The headset mic.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
As John McBean has stated before, he doesn't monitor this group every
day, so questions put to him directly here might not reach him. It is
best to address him at his business address via email or the phone.
Here is the info.....
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Aug 25, 2008, at 9:49 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Well the original ad read
> MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY $40,000 OFFERED FOR SALE
> Manufacturing Opportunity: All rights, tooling, jigs for kitfox
> lite single seat a/c. Inc 2 kits. Contact Michael Berglund,
> Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA Telephone: 602-684-1527
>
>
> New ad reads the same but WITHOUT the KITFOX name attached.......
> gee I wonder why ? Still my concern is that one ofhte Kitofx
> aircraft partners is selling out part of the Kitfox name and
> business plus he is selling his own Kitfox and his Baron. John Mc
> Bean -- Did you ever answer why one of your partners was selling
> out ? I am totally supportive of you but this raise some concern
> for me. ? Or should it ?
>
> Dave
>
> MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY $40,000 BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY
> OFFERED All rights, tooling, jigs for single seat ultra lite a/
> c. Over 200 in field, Incl. 2 complete kits. Contact Michael
> Berglund, Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA Telephone:
> 602-684-1527 Posted August 3, 2008 Show all Ads posted by
> this Advertiser Recommend This Ad to a Friend Email
> Advertiser Save to Watchlist Report This Ad
>
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> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
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> truth
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0413#200413
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
Lynn thanks for the input on John not responding. I posted that about 10 days ago
before i left to float plane country. Still wondering why one of his partners
is selling out. Don;t you ?
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
dave wrote:
>
> Lynn thanks for the input on John not responding. I posted that about
> 10 days ago before i left to float plane country. Still wondering
> why one of his partners is selling out. Don;t you ?
Dave,
Why do you keep insisting that this is/was one of John's partners? I
think that John already replied that the Kitfox Lite is an ultralight
powered by an engine that is no longer available. To keep it a legal
ultralight, an engine with the power/weight of the original is required.
As far as I know, John is not involved with ultralights; however, if you
really want to know go to John directly as Lynn suggested.
Regards,
Dennis
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Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
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| Subject: | Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
hey Guy how about a little moderator help... Why are there now 5 threads with the
same tittle? any chance you could combined them. I started it logged into
the forum and I think that when it is replied to with an email it is starting
separate threads. I don't want to clutter up the forum, and I want to keep all
replies together as I think they may help out more people than just me!
Thanks
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
Dennis. Look like the gentleman Michael Berglund has now been REMOVED from the
aboutus page at Kitfox aircraft website.
>
> Mike Berglund is a retired businessman that is currently flying a King Air and
a Barron. Although he enjoys flying the twins his true love is his Series 5
Vixen and his Series 7
>
Shows up on Google now http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:XIRy-MJwzBsJ:www.kitfoxaircraft.com/about_us.htm+KITFOX+AIRCRAFt+ABOUT+US&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
But yet Mcbean has had him removed from his page and I guess this is not up for
public discussion?
His page now reflect that one of the original partners is not listed ? http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/about_us.htm
Was there a falling out ? Is there any other trouble brewing ?
Just a few red flags to me anyhow likely nothing and yah te Lite was a Ultralight
but what about the Lite squared ? ?
I just ask for answers that is all, obviously something is being hid from the
Kitfox community.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
dave wrote:
> I use either a icom a -24 or a a 22 handheld through a sigtronics SPO22 N
intercom....... the N is for noise reduction circuit desigined for 2 strokes.
Headsets are Peltor - We sell them but I forget what model it is.
>
> I will look it up if you need to know.
Thanks Dave. My 5DX has a noise canceling mike that is spose to be good for 120
db ambient. I think I will try the high noise intercom and see if that does
it. I know when I talk to the passenger you can really hear the cockpit noise,
but I have talked to other guys in the air and while they heard the background
noise the transmissions were plenty clear for him the carry on a conversation
with me. I think the tower is just being picky about me flying through his
airspace. There are float planes crossing through about every 10 minutes on
the way to and from the local hot fishing spots so I think he gets tired of dealing
with us lol.
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox for sale: Model IV 1200 with 912UL |
That is a beautiful Kitfox Tony ! Given the engine, and stuff you have in there
that is a great price also.
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
I think that plane was no longer part of the "kitfox empire" as of
about the time that Frank Miller went into hiding and left people in
the lurch. At least this was my understanding.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Aug 25, 2008, at 1:01 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Lynn thanks for the input on John not responding. I posted that
> about 10 days ago before i left to float plane country. Still
> wondering why one of his partners is selling out. Don;t you ?
>
> Dave
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox for sale: Model IV 1200 with 912UL |
> That is a beautiful Kitfox Luis ! Given the engine, and stuff you have in there
that is a great price also.
Thanks Mike. It's been a joy for me. I hope that it will find a good home.
When I bought this airplane two years ago, I bought it sight unseen and the guy
I bought it from flew it to me in SC from Washington for the price of fuel and
a plane ticket home. I always thought that was really nice of him so I'll make
the same offer here. I'll deliver anywhere in the US for the price of fuel
and a plane ticket home.
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Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
> I think that plane was no longer part of the "kitfox empire" as of
> about the time that Frank Miller went into hiding and left people in
> the lurch. At least this was my understanding.
>
> Lynn Matteson
Yup and now things are changing and no one talking about it ? I remember when
Miller and Skystar left the scene with all the good people's money but yet many
supported them to the day that the Chapter 11 filings came out. Like I said
I have bought from Kitfox aircraft and had no troubles. I have talked to John
in the past and he a nice guy. I just want some questions answered and nothing
happening here but yet planes , Kits and rights are for sale by a partner but
the partner has now been removed from the ad for planes for sale from the Kitfox
website.
WHY ?
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
Not sure how relevent this is. When my shop decieded not to service R-12 systems
anymore, we sold our equipment for that purpose, we were busy with other services.
When I bought out a partner 9 years ago, he took the brand new shop truck as part
of
the deal...again the shop was in great shape. Please don't start this on a public
forum, just call John or leave it alone.
Kevin Cozik
series 6-7
914 Turbo
Czech floats
Lansing MI
>
>
>Yup and now things are changing and no one talking about it ? I remember when
Miller and Skystar left the scene with all the good people's money but yet many
supported them to the day that the Chapter 11 filings came out. Like I said I
have
bought from Kitfox aircraft and had no troubles. I have talked to John in the past
and he a nice guy. I just want some questions answered and nothing happening here
but yet planes , Kits and rights are for sale by a partner but the partner has
now
been removed from the ad for planes for sale from the Kitfox website.
>WHY ?
>
>Dave
>
>--------
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>Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
>http://www.cfisher.com/
>Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
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> From: Tom Jones [nahsikhs@elltel.net]
> Michel, a trim tab on a flaperon has been used by Kitfox builders to correct
for
> a "heavy wing".
Thanks Tom. I know that it has been used before because I remember talking about
it on this forum for maybe three years ago. But since I didn't get much response
this time, I was wondering if the current school of thoughts had changed
without me knowing it. Sometimes I fall asleep in the classroom! :-)
The thing is, why do I, and a few others, experience a 'heavy wing' when everything
seems to be spick and span and well aligned? Well, there can be a last thing:
A slight warp in the flaperon itself. But while it is easy to measure the
wash-out of the wing, it is more difficult to measure a warp in the flaperon,
less to correct it other than with a tab.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as a PAX
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Trim Tab |
Michel, from personal experience with a rudder trim tab that is set for hands/feet
of in a cruise condition exhibits no need for "other foot" correction in descent.
I am not sure how to explain the phenomon but maybe it has to do with
or the absence of swirling currents off the propeller.
John
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> > From: Tom Jones [nahsikhs@elltel.net]
> > Michel, a trim tab on a flaperon has been used by Kitfox builders to correct
> for
> > a "heavy wing".
>
> Thanks Tom. I know that it has been used before because I remember talking about
> it on this forum for maybe three years ago. But since I didn't get much response
> this time, I was wondering if the current school of thoughts had changed without
> me knowing it. Sometimes I fall asleep in the classroom! :-)
>
> The thing is, why do I, and a few others, experience a 'heavy wing' when
> everything seems to be spick and span and well aligned? Well, there can be a
> last thing: A slight warp in the flaperon itself. But while it is easy to
> measure the wash-out of the wing, it is more difficult to measure a warp in the
> flaperon, less to correct it other than with a tab.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as a PAX
>
>
>
>
> avigator?Kitfox-List
> on
>
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<DIV>Michel, from personal experience with a rudder trim tab that is set for hands/feet
of in a cruise condition exhibits no need for "other foot" correction
in descent. I am not sure how to explain the phenomon but maybe it has
to do with or the absence of swirling currents off the propeller.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Michel Verheughe
<michel@online.no> <BR><BR>> > From: Tom Jones [nahsikhs@elltel.net]
<BR>> > Michel, a trim tab on a flaperon has been used by Kitfox
builders to correct <BR>> for <BR>> > a "heavy wing". <BR>> <BR>>
Thanks Tom. I know that it has been used before because I remember talking
about <BR>> it on this forum for maybe three years ago. But since I didn't
get much response <BR>> this time, I was wondering if the current school of
thoughts had changed without <BR>> me knowing it. Sometimes I fall asleep
in the classroom! :-) <BR>> <BR>> The thing is, why do I, and a few others,
experience a 'heavy wing' when <BR>> everything seems to be spick and
span and well aligned? Well, there can be a <BR>> last thing: A slight warp
in the flaperon itself. But while it is easy to <BR>
> m
easure the wash-out of the wing, it is more difficult to measure a warp in the
<BR>> flaperon, less to correct it other than with a tab. <BR>> <BR>>
Cheers, <BR>> Michel Verheughe <BR>> Norway <BR>> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru
2200 ... flying as a PAX <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <PRE><B><FONT face="courier
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
Dave, You think this is a subject for a public forum, I do not.
I think you are just trying to cause trouble. If you check
with the State of Idaho you will see that Kitfox Aircraft llc
is owned 100% by John and Debra McBean. John was just showing
respect and gratitude for the help we gave him, that's why he
left our bio's up. The ultralite was never part of Kitfox's
business plan for reasons John gave you. "Things" are not
changing. I can assure you, Kitfox Aircraft is debt free and
growing. I advised John to stay above any gossip, if anyone has
questions they are welcome to talk to him directly. Public
forums are not the place to discuss business decisions.
Phil Laker
>
>
>> I think that plane was no longer part of the "kitfox empire" as of
>> about the time that Frank Miller went into hiding and left people in
>> the lurch. At least this was my understanding.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>
>
> Yup and now things are changing and no one talking about it ? I remember
> when Miller and Skystar left the scene with all the good people's money
> but yet many supported them to the day that the Chapter 11 filings came
> out. Like I said I have bought from Kitfox aircraft and had no troubles.
> I have talked to John in the past and he a nice guy. I just want some
> questions answered and nothing happening here but yet planes , Kits and
> rights are for sale by a partner but the partner has now been removed from
> the ad for planes for sale from the Kitfox website.
> WHY ?
>
> Dave
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0472#200472
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox 4 kit for sale |
>From the pictures I saw=2C no FWF. I think it was a classic. Give him a c
all=2C the number was in my post.
Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building Avid flying Mn
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 kit for saleDate: Mon=2C 25 Aug 2008 10:
38:03 -0400From: Patrick.Best@telus.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Does this have an engine?
Is this a Model 4 or a classic 4?
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy ChukSent: August 23=2C 2008 1:5
2 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 kit for sal
e
Hi all=2C no it's not mine=2C I saw this one on a craig's list add and may
be someone is interested. Wings and gear were on the fusaloge=2C tanks wer
e not in the wings yet. Salem=2C Oregon $8500 503-508-5952 Jim Chuk Ki
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| Subject: | Kitfox 4 kit for sale |
I just thought of another Kitfox kit for sale=2C It is about 100 miles S o
f me in Aitken Mn. It was on barnstormers about a month
ago. It was an unfinished kit priced at $6500. A Kitfox 3. Look for it o
n barnstormers. I might have his # somewhere???
Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building=2C Avid flying Mn
From: thesupe@hotmail.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Kitfox 4 kit for saleDate: Mon=2C 25 Aug 2008 19:43:12 +0000
>From the pictures I saw=2C no FWF. I think it was a classic. Give him a
call=2C the number was in my post. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building Avid flyin
g Mn
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 kit for saleDate: Mon=2C 25 Aug 2008 10:
38:03 -0400From: Patrick.Best@telus.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Does this have an engine?
Is this a Model 4 or a classic 4?
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy ChukSent: August 23=2C 2008 1:5
2 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 kit for sal
e
Hi all=2C no it's not mine=2C I saw this one on a craig's list add and may
be someone is interested. Wings and gear were on the fusaloge=2C tanks wer
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Does anyone know what thickness of lexan is best to use for the windscreen
and door windows? My KF2 has two stress cracks near the leading edge wing
root so I don't trust measuring what is on there now, and I know from the
logbook that it has been replaced once since the original build.
I am looking at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/lexan.php
where the choices are .060, .080, .093, and .125
Thanks in advance!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
Phil,
How nice for one of the other "about us" folks show up to not clarify things.
You can advise anyone anything but the questions still remain un - answered.
MY question is then why is a person with no percentage ownership selling pasrt
of the Kitfox Line ? You seem to be willing to answer other than the question
asked so how about this and why did the ad change on Barnstormers? And Why
is Mike Berglund vaporized off of the webpage ?
Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY IS THIS NOT
BEING ADDRESSED ?
Dave
> Dave, You think this is a subject for a public forum, I do not.
> I think you are just trying to cause trouble. If you check
> with the State of Idaho you will see that Kitfox Aircraft llc
> is owned 100% by John and Debra McBean. John was just showing
> respect and gratitude for the help we gave him, that's why he
> left our bio's up. The ultralite was never part of Kitfox's
> business plan for reasons John gave you. "Things" are not
> changing. I can assure you, Kitfox Aircraft is debt free and
> growing. I advised John to stay above any gossip, if anyone has
> questions they are welcome to talk to him directly. Public
> forums are not the place to discuss business decisions.
>
> Phil Laker
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http://www.cfisher.com/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
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| Subject: | Re: Found a Kitfox kit close to me |
Thanks for the reply, he emailed me today and the mount is for a 582. Does the
factory have info on these like thrust line stuff for welding up a different
mount, as I know that the company has changed hands a few times.
Was there any major difference in the cowl for the 912 vs the 582?
Thanks again
PS straight up is good! :D
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Bob,
060 will work and easy to work with
it will flex over 75 mph .
I have .125 and it is harder to work with.
Make sure you smooth the edges well as cracks can propagate from Lexan if not smoothed
.
Dave
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http://www.cfisher.com/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Trim Tab |
If you think a bit about the need for right rudder, which is to
compensate for the left-turning tendency under precession and torque
reaction, and then think about there being no torque, and no
precession during slow flight, I think you'll see there is no need
for the "other foot" correction. Of course, I'm talking about a
clockwise-turning (as seen from the pilots' point of view) engine.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Aug 25, 2008, at 2:57 PM, kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> Michel, from personal experience with a rudder trim tab that is set
> for hands/feet of in a cruise condition exhibits no need for "other
> foot" correction in descent. I am not sure how to explain the
> phenomon but maybe it has to do with or the absence of swirling
> currents off the propeller.
>
> John
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > > From: Tom Jones [nahsikhs@elltel.net]
> > > Michel, a trim tab on a flaperon has been used by Kitfox
> builders to correct
> > for
> > > a "heavy wing".
> >
> > Thanks Tom. I know that it has been used before because I
> remember talking about
> > it on this forum for maybe three years ago. But since I didn't
> get much response
> > this time, I was wondering if the current school of thoughts had
> changed without
> > me knowing it. Sometimes I fall asleep in the classroom! :-)
> >
> > The thing is, why do I, and a few others, experience a 'heavy
> wing' when
> > everything seems to be spick and span and well aligned? Well,
> there can be a
> > last thing: A slight warp in the flaperon itself. But while it is
> easy to
> > m easure the wash-out of the wing, it is more difficult to
> measure a warp in the
> > flaperon, less to correct it other than with a tab.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel Verheughe
> > Norway
> > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as a PAX
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > avigator?Kitfox-List
> > on
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Thanks Dave,
So that sounds like a recommendation for .080 or .093? I don't have a
micrometer but the current windscreen starts to pulsate at a little over 75,
so it must be .060(?)
There are some fairly sharp curves on my KF2, which is where the cracks
occurred. I am planning to use the old pieces as templates and cut the new
with a Dremel with a cut-off wheel. With that I should be able to also
smooth the edges. I imagine that using the right kind of drill bit to drill
the rivet holes is important too, don't want any cracks there. A
metal-drilling bit?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: 25 August 2008 5:08 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
Bob,
060 will work and easy to work with
it will flex over 75 mph .
I have .125 and it is harder to work with.
Make sure you smooth the edges well as cracks can propagate from Lexan if
not smoothed .
Dave
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Dave=2C You want a dull bit that won't grab. ACS sells a special plexi bit
=2C but I didn't use one. You can heat the material with a heat gun also th
en it is not brittle. I don't remember how hot I got it. I used a laser the
rmometer to test to get right temp in practice and then heated to that temp
before drilling. Worked good for me.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> From: matronics@bob.brennan.name> To: kitfox-list@matronics
.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan> Date: Mon=2C 25 Aug 20
onics@bob.brennan.name>> > Thanks Dave=2C> > So that sounds like a recommen
dation for .080 or .093? I don't have a> micrometer but the current windscr
een starts to pulsate at a little over 75=2C> so it must be .060(?)> > Ther
e are some fairly sharp curves on my KF2=2C which is where the cracks> occu
rred. I am planning to use the old pieces as templates and cut the new> wit
h a Dremel with a cut-off wheel. With that I should be able to also> smooth
the edges. I imagine that using the right kind of drill bit to drill> the
rivet holes is important too=2C don't want any cracks there. A> metal-drill
ing bit?> > Bob Brennan - N717GB> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox> Rotax 582 wi
th 3 blade prop> Wrightsville Pa > > -----Original Message-----> From: owne
r-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matron
ics.com] On Behalf Of dave> Sent: 25 August 2008 5:08 pm> To: kitfox-list@m
atronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan> > --> Kitfox-List
message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>> > Bob=2C > > 060 will work an
d easy to work with> it will flex over 75 mph .> I have .125 and it is hard
er to work with. > > Make sure you smooth the edges well as cracks can prop
agate from Lexan if> not smoothed . > > > Dave> > --------> Rotax Dealer=2C
Ontario Canada> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info> http://www.cfisher.com/> Re
altime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth > http
://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer> > > > > Read this top
ic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0519#200
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
Dave
Why don't you just knock it off about this subject? You seem to be the only
one interested so, go direct to John, get your answer and leave this forum
to building, modifying and flying.
Thank you
Ted Palamarek
KF IV/912UL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: August 25, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale
Phil,
How nice for one of the other "about us" folks show up to not clarify
things. You can advise anyone anything but the questions still remain un -
answered.
MY question is then why is a person with no percentage ownership selling
pasrt of the Kitfox Line ? You seem to be willing to answer other than the
question asked so how about this and why did the ad change on Barnstormers?
And Why is Mike Berglund vaporized off of the webpage ?
Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY IS THIS
NOT BEING ADDRESSED ?
Dave
> Dave, You think this is a subject for a public forum, I do not.
> I think you are just trying to cause trouble. If you check
> with the State of Idaho you will see that Kitfox Aircraft llc
> is owned 100% by John and Debra McBean. John was just showing
> respect and gratitude for the help we gave him, that's why he
> left our bio's up. The ultralite was never part of Kitfox's
> business plan for reasons John gave you. "Things" are not
> changing. I can assure you, Kitfox Aircraft is debt free and
> growing. I advised John to stay above any gossip, if anyone has
> questions they are welcome to talk to him directly. Public
> forums are not the place to discuss business decisions.
>
> Phil Laker
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
NO to the metal-drilling bit. I got my bits from LP Aeroplastics
(along with one of their windshields), but you could try grinding a
pretty sharp point on a metal bit....here's what it should look like:
The included angle should be 60=B0....unlike a regular metal-cutting
drill of 118=B0 included angle, and the rake angle should be 0=B0...in
other words, the drill should have no rake angle. That's why the
front of the cutting edge looks flat in this picture. A plastic drill
should "scrape" the material away instead of "cutting" it like a
metal drill does.
The material that came with my plane was 0.093".
As always, try on some scrap first.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Aug 25, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> Thanks Dave,
>
> So that sounds like a recommendation for .080 or .093? I don't have a
> micrometer but the current windscreen starts to pulsate at a little
> over 75,
> so it must be .060(?)
>
> There are some fairly sharp curves on my KF2, which is where the
> cracks
> occurred. I am planning to use the old pieces as templates and cut
> the new
> with a Dremel with a cut-off wheel. With that I should be able to also
> smooth the edges. I imagine that using the right kind of drill bit
> to drill
> the rivet holes is important too, don't want any cracks there. A
> metal-drilling bit?
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: 25 August 2008 5:08 pm
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>
>
> Bob,
>
> 060 will work and easy to work with
> it will flex over 75 mph .
> I have .125 and it is harder to work with.
>
> Make sure you smooth the edges well as cracks can propagate from
> Lexan if
> not smoothed .
>
>
> Dave
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the
> truth
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0519#200519
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Bob, My opinion is use .93 for the windshield and .60 for the doors. Thats' what
came with my kit. Here's a link to a service bulletin about the windshield
thickness. It describes some problems with installing the thicker windshields
and how to prevent cracking of them.
http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/support/service_bulletins/sb34.htm
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Excellent information Lynn, thanks for the "tip" (pun most definitely
intended). I see that LP Aeroplastics also has foam and tape and other
things that I will need. And I will go with the 0.93 lexan.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: 25 August 2008 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
NO to the metal-drilling bit. I got my bits from LP Aeroplastics
(along with one of their windshields), but you could try grinding a
pretty sharp point on a metal bit....here's what it should look like:
The included angle should be 60....unlike a regular metal-cutting
drill of 118 included angle, and the rake angle should be 0...in
other words, the drill should have no rake angle. That's why the
front of the cutting edge looks flat in this picture. A plastic drill
should "scrape" the material away instead of "cutting" it like a
metal drill does.
The material that came with my plane was 0.093".
As always, try on some scrap first.
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Pat,
I was thinking that the previous owner hadn't heated the current windscreen
properly, or probably not at all, which is why I am getting stress cracks.
In general the recommendation for lexan, that I have seen, is to not try to
work with it at all under 70F. I am thinking the warmer the day the better
for working with lexan. And warm days in the UK.... well let's just say it's
a rarity!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: 25 August 2008 6:40 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
Dave, You want a dull bit that won't grab. ACS sells a special plexi bit,
but I didn't use one. You can heat the material with a heat gun also then it
is not brittle. I don't remember how hot I got it. I used a laser
thermometer to test to get right temp in practice and then heated to that
temp before drilling. Worked good for me.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
> From: matronics@bob.brennan.name
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:25:07 -0400
>
<matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> Thanks Dave,
>
> So that sounds like a recommendation for .080 or .093? I don't have a
> micrometer but the current windscreen starts to pulsate at a little over
75,
> so it must be .060(?)
>
> There are some fairly sharp curves on my KF2, which is where the cracks
> occurred. I am planning to use the old pieces as templates and cut the new
> with a Dremel with a cut-off wheel. With that I should be able to also
> smooth the edges. I imagine that using the right kind of drill bit to
drill
> the rivet holes is important too, don't want any cracks there. A
> metal-drilling bit?
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: 25 August 2008 5:08 pm
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>
>
> Bob,
>
> 060 will work and easy to work with
> it will flex over 75 mph .
> I have .125 and it is harder to work with.
>
> Make sure you smooth the edges well as cracks can propagate from Lexan if
> not smoothed .
>
>
> Dave
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0519#200519
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>===================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Thanks for that link Tom, it is very helpful information. A dumb question
though - is "polycarbonate" the same as "lexan"?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: 25 August 2008 7:31 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
Bob, My opinion is use .93 for the windshield and .60 for the doors.
Thats' what came with my kit. Here's a link to a service bulletin about the
windshield thickness. It describes some problems with installing the
thicker windshields and how to prevent cracking of them.
http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/support/service_bulletins/sb34.htm
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0559#200559
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
mine is .060 works fine
Does anyone know what thickness of lexan is best to use for the windscreen
and door windows? My KF2 has two stress cracks near the leading edge wing
root so I don't trust measuring what is on there now, and I know from the
logbook that it has been replaced once since the original build.
I am looking at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/lexan.php
where the choices are .060, .080, .093, and .125
Thanks in advance!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
Jerry Evans
KitfoxII
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
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Uh, I think someone has mixed up the posts. I believe it began with a post
about Lexan, but I might be wrong. Lexan is soft and can be drilled with
normal drill bits, but the holes should be about 30 percent larger than the
fastener to accommodate expansion/contraction or cracking will occur.
Acrylic is different and needs to be drilled as Lynn posted below.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
NO to the metal-drilling bit. I got my bits from LP Aeroplastics
(along with one of their windshields), but you could try grinding a
pretty sharp point on a metal bit....here's what it should look like:
The included angle should be 60....unlike a regular metal-cutting
drill of 118 included angle, and the rake angle should be 0...in
other words, the drill should have no rake angle. That's why the
front of the cutting edge looks flat in this picture. A plastic drill
should "scrape" the material away instead of "cutting" it like a
metal drill does.
The material that came with my plane was 0.093".
As always, try on some scrap first.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> do not archive
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
>
>> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>>
>> Thanks Dave,
>>
>> So that sounds like a recommendation for .080 or .093? I don't have a
>> micrometer but the current windscreen starts to pulsate at a little
>> over 75,
>> so it must be .060(?)
>>
>> There are some fairly sharp curves on my KF2, which is where the
>> cracks
>> occurred. I am planning to use the old pieces as templates and cut
>> the new
>> with a Dremel with a cut-off wheel. With that I should be able to also
>> smooth the edges. I imagine that using the right kind of drill bit
>> to drill
>> the rivet holes is important too, don't want any cracks there. A
>> metal-drilling bit?
>>
>> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
>> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>> Wrightsville Pa
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
>> Sent: 25 August 2008 5:08 pm
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>>
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> 060 will work and easy to work with
>> it will flex over 75 mph .
>> I have .125 and it is harder to work with.
>>
>> Make sure you smooth the edges well as cracks can propagate from
>> Lexan if
>> not smoothed .
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> --------
>> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
>> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
>> http://www.cfisher.com/
>> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the
>> truth
>> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0519#200519
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
> is "polycarbonate" the same as "lexan"?
Yes, Lexan is Polycarbonate. There are other brand names out there too. My polycarbonate
windshield material that came from the old Skystar was Rino or something
like that. Its tough and fairly easy to work with. All the suggestions
from others are good advise to follow.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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To add to the confusion ACS lists it in two places, one as "Lexan" and the
other as "Lexan Polycarbonate"
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/lexan.php
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/2024_leadedge.php
The keen eye however will note the same specs *and* the same part numbers on
both pages, so matters not what you call it I guess...
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: 25 August 2008 7:41 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Windsceen Lexan
Uh, I think someone has mixed up the posts. I believe it began with a post
about Lexan, but I might be wrong. Lexan is soft and can be drilled with
normal drill bits, but the holes should be about 30 percent larger than the
fastener to accommodate expansion/contraction or cracking will occur.
Acrylic is different and needs to be drilled as Lynn posted below.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
NO to the metal-drilling bit. I got my bits from LP Aeroplastics
(along with one of their windshields), but you could try grinding a
pretty sharp point on a metal bit....here's what it should look like:
The included angle should be 60....unlike a regular metal-cutting
drill of 118 included angle, and the rake angle should be 0...in
other words, the drill should have no rake angle. That's why the
front of the cutting edge looks flat in this picture. A plastic drill
should "scrape" the material away instead of "cutting" it like a
metal drill does.
The material that came with my plane was 0.093".
As always, try on some scrap first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> do not archive
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
>
>> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>>
>> Thanks Dave,
>>
>> So that sounds like a recommendation for .080 or .093? I don't have a
>> micrometer but the current windscreen starts to pulsate at a little
>> over 75,
>> so it must be .060(?)
>>
>> There are some fairly sharp curves on my KF2, which is where the
>> cracks
>> occurred. I am planning to use the old pieces as templates and cut
>> the new
>> with a Dremel with a cut-off wheel. With that I should be able to also
>> smooth the edges. I imagine that using the right kind of drill bit
>> to drill
>> the rivet holes is important too, don't want any cracks there. A
>> metal-drilling bit?
>>
>> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
>> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>> Wrightsville Pa
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
>> Sent: 25 August 2008 5:08 pm
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>>
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> 060 will work and easy to work with
>> it will flex over 75 mph .
>> I have .125 and it is harder to work with.
>>
>> Make sure you smooth the edges well as cracks can propagate from
>> Lexan if
>> not smoothed .
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> --------
>> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
>> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
>> http://www.cfisher.com/
>> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the
>> truth
>> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0519#200519
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Wrightsville, PA, eh? Sounds like you can just hop on down there to
Jeanette and pick up what you need....well, maybe a bit more than
just a *hop*
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Aug 25, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> Excellent information Lynn, thanks for the "tip" (pun most definitely
> intended). I see that LP Aeroplastics also has foam and tape and other
> things that I will need. And I will go with the 0.93 lexan.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: 25 August 2008 6:57 pm
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>
> NO to the metal-drilling bit. I got my bits from LP Aeroplastics
> (along with one of their windshields), but you could try grinding a
> pretty sharp point on a metal bit....here's what it should look like:
>
> The included angle should be 60....unlike a regular metal-cutting
> drill of 118 included angle, and the rake angle should be 0...in
> other words, the drill should have no rake angle. That's why the
> front of the cutting edge looks flat in this picture. A plastic drill
> should "scrape" the material away instead of "cutting" it like a
> metal drill does.
>
> The material that came with my plane was 0.093".
>
> As always, try on some scrap first.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
FWIIW, The material in most of our windshields is polycarbonate.
Lexan happens to be one of the brand names,but there are many others..
Acrylic is the other plastic often used in aircraft windshields and windows.
Plexiglas is a popular brand name,but there are many others.
Polycarbonate can be easily bent, cut,drilled etc. with common tools.
Acrylic is harder and is more difficult to work. It will crack unless proper
tools are used in the correct manner.
Don't get them mixed up. It is very expensive.
As my Dad used to say to explain something like this." All crows are
blackbirds,but all blackbirds aren't crows. Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>
>
>> is "polycarbonate" the same as "lexan"?
>
>
> Yes, Lexan is Polycarbonate. There are other brand names out there too.
> My polycarbonate windshield material that came from the old Skystar was
> Rino or something like that. Its tough and fairly easy to work with. All
> the suggestions from others are good advise to follow.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0569#200569
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> 7:05 AM
>
>
>
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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I probably didn't pay any attention, Deke, when I posted. I just read
"metal-drilling" and a red flag went up. And a big "amen" to the 30%
oversize mention.
Just for the record, my Machinery's Handbook calls for an included
angle of 55-60 for drilling "plastics."
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Aug 25, 2008, at 7:40 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Uh, I think someone has mixed up the posts. I believe it began
> with a post about Lexan, but I might be wrong. Lexan is soft and
> can be drilled with normal drill bits, but the holes should be
> about 30 percent larger than the fastener to accommodate expansion/
> contraction or cracking will occur. Acrylic is different and needs
> to be drilled as Lynn posted below.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>
>
> NO to the metal-drilling bit. I got my bits from LP Aeroplastics
> (along with one of their windshields), but you could try grinding a
> pretty sharp point on a metal bit....here's what it should look like:
>
> The included angle should be 60....unlike a regular metal-cutting
> drill of 118 included angle, and the rake angle should be 0...in
> other words, the drill should have no rake angle. That's why the
> front of the cutting edge looks flat in this picture. A plastic drill
> should "scrape" the material away instead of "cutting" it like a
> metal drill does.
>
> The material that came with my plane was 0.093".
>
> As always, try on some scrap first.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
>> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
>> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
>>
>>> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>>>
>>> Thanks Dave,
>>>
>>> So that sounds like a recommendation for .080 or .093? I don't
>>> have a
>>> micrometer but the current windscreen starts to pulsate at a little
>>> over 75,
>>> so it must be .060(?)
>>>
>>> There are some fairly sharp curves on my KF2, which is where the
>>> cracks
>>> occurred. I am planning to use the old pieces as templates and cut
>>> the new
>>> with a Dremel with a cut-off wheel. With that I should be able to
>>> also
>>> smooth the edges. I imagine that using the right kind of drill bit
>>> to drill
>>> the rivet holes is important too, don't want any cracks there. A
>>> metal-drilling bit?
>>>
>>> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>>> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
>>> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>>> Wrightsville Pa
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
>>> Sent: 25 August 2008 5:08 pm
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> 060 will work and easy to work with
>>> it will flex over 75 mph .
>>> I have .125 and it is harder to work with.
>>>
>>> Make sure you smooth the edges well as cracks can propagate from
>>> Lexan if
>>> not smoothed .
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
>>> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
>>> http://www.cfisher.com/
>>> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the
>>> truth
>>> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0519#200519
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
I don"t think it is any of our busness.
Dee Young
Model II
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: dave<mailto:dave@cfisher.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:49 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale
<dave@cfisher.com<mailto:dave@cfisher.com>>
Well the original ad read
MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY ?=A2 $40,000 ?=A2 OFFERED FOR SALE
?=A2 Manufacturing Opportunity: All rights, tooling, jigs for kitfox
lite single seat a/c. Inc 2 kits. ?=A2 Contact Michael Berglund,
Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA ?=A2 Telephone: 602-684-1527
?=A2
New ad reads the same but WITHOUT the KITFOX name attached....... gee
I wonder why ? Still my concern is that one ofhte Kitofx aircraft
partners is selling out part of the Kitfox name and business plus he is
selling his own Kitfox and his Baron. John Mc Bean -- Did you ever
answer why one of your partners was selling out ? I am totally
supportive of you but this raise some concern for me. ? Or should it ?
Dave
MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY ?=A2 $40,000 ?=A2 BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY
OFFERED ?=A2 All rights, tooling, jigs for single seat ultra lite
a/c. Over 200 in field, Incl. 2 complete kits. ?=A2 Contact Michael
Berglund, Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA ?=A2 Telephone:
602-684-1527 ?=A2 Posted August 3, 2008 ?=A2 Show all Ads posted
by this Advertiser ?=A2 Recommend This Ad to a Friend ?=A2 Email
Advertiser ?=A2 Save to Watchlist ?=A2 Report This Ad
--------
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0413#200413<http://forums
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
A bit more than a hop yup, although I was in Ohiopyle camping just a month
ago so I could have stopped in then if I had known...
do not archive
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: 25 August 2008 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
Wrightsville, PA, eh? Sounds like you can just hop on down there to
Jeanette and pick up what you need....well, maybe a bit more than
just a *hop*
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Aug 25, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> Excellent information Lynn, thanks for the "tip" (pun most definitely
> intended). I see that LP Aeroplastics also has foam and tape and other
> things that I will need. And I will go with the 0.93 lexan.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: 25 August 2008 6:57 pm
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>
> NO to the metal-drilling bit. I got my bits from LP Aeroplastics
> (along with one of their windshields), but you could try grinding a
> pretty sharp point on a metal bit....here's what it should look like:
>
> The included angle should be 60....unlike a regular metal-cutting
> drill of 118 included angle, and the rake angle should be 0...in
> other words, the drill should have no rake angle. That's why the
> front of the cutting edge looks flat in this picture. A plastic drill
> should "scrape" the material away instead of "cutting" it like a
> metal drill does.
>
> The material that came with my plane was 0.093".
>
> As always, try on some scrap first.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Check with a local commercial window installer=2C they can probably order t
he lexan for you and include it on their regular truck shipments. That sho
uld beat the shipping down some=2C and their price will probably be less th
an ACS. A year ago=2C I got two 4X8 sheets of .060 lexan and it came to $1
00 after shipping. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building=2C Avid flyin Mn> From: m
atronics@bob.brennan.name> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kitf
ox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan> Date: Mon=2C 25 Aug 2008 20:47:30 -0400> > --
> > A bit more than a hop yup=2C although I was in Ohiopyle camping just a
month> ago so I could have stopped in then if I had known... > > do not arc
hive> > Bob Brennan - N717GB> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox> Rotax 582 with 3
blade prop> Wrightsville Pa> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-kit
fox-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.c
om] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson> Sent: 25 August 2008 8:14 pm> To: kitfox-li
st@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan> > --> Kitf
ox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > Wrightsville
=2C PA=2C eh? Sounds like you can just hop on down there to > Jeanette and
pick up what you need....well=2C maybe a bit more than > just a *hop*> > Ly
nn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster> Jabiru 2200=2C 562 hrs and holding for re
pairs> Status: "Condition grounded=2C but determined to try." (Pink > Floyd
..."Learning to Fly")> do not archive> > > > > On Aug 25=2C 2008=2C at 7:29
nan" > > <matronics@bob.brennan.name>> >> > Excellent information Lynn=2C t
hanks for the "tip" (pun most definitely> > intended). I see that LP Aeropl
astics also has foam and tape and other> > things that I will need. And I w
ill go with the 0.93 lexan.> >> > Bob Brennan - N717GB> > 1991 UK Model 2 E
LSA Kitfox> > Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop> > Wrightsville Pa> >> > -----Ori
ginal Message-----> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> > [mail
to:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn > > Matteson>
> Sent: 25 August 2008 6:57 pm> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Subject:
Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan> >> > NO to the metal-drilling bit. I
got my bits from LP Aeroplastics> > (along with one of their windshields)
=2C but you could try grinding a> > pretty sharp point on a metal bit....he
re's what it should look like:> >> > The included angle should be 60=B0....
unlike a regular metal-cutting> > drill of 118=B0 included angle=2C and the
rake angle should be 0=B0...in> > other words=2C the drill should have no
rake angle. That's why the> > front of the cutting edge looks flat in this
picture. A plastic drill> > should "scrape" the material away instead of "c
utting" it like a> > metal drill does.> >> > The material that came with my
plane was 0.093".> >> > As always=2C try on some scrap first.> >> >> >> >>
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| Subject: | Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
Dave sez:
>Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY
>IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED ?
Because the business affairs of others are none of your business.
This topic is done.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Found a Kitfox kit close to me |
At 02:03 PM 8/25/2008, you wrote:
>Thanks for the reply, he emailed me today and the mount is for a
>582. Does the factory have info on these like thrust line stuff for
>welding up a different mount, as I know that the company has changed
>hands a few times.
Contact John directly at info@kitfoxaircraftllc.com. I suspect he has
not only info but hardware.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: General balance. |
At 11:42 AM 8/25/2008, you wrote:
>The thing is, why do I, and a few others, experience a 'heavy wing'
>when everything seems to be spick and span and well aligned?
Well, there's lateral CG, which no-one measures, and is off
anyway unless the passenger weighs exactly what the pilot weighs.
There's torque and slipstream, both of which are "asymmetric" And
then of course there's the Coriolis force, that makes toilets rotate.
(Do Kitfoxes in the southern hemisphere have the other wing heavy?)
And then of course there's the earth's magnetic field; and don't
forget the centripetal acceleration caused by the earth surface
1732fps rotational velocity; and that doesn't even include our
orbital velocity or the precession of the equinox. . .
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using |
At 10:36 AM 8/25/2008, you wrote:
>hey Guy how about a little moderator help... Why are there now 5
>threads with the same tittle? any chance you could combined
>them. I started it logged into the forum and I think that when it
>is replied to with an email it is starting separate threads. I
>don't want to clutter up the forum, and I want to keep all replies
>together as I think they may help out more people than just me!
Thanks Leonard. I'll check it out and see what I can do to repair it.
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: General balance. |
> From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
> then of course there's the Coriolis force, that makes toilets rotate.
I am sorry, Guy, but it is your bowel movements that rotate and not the toilet
itself. Something to do with general relativity and quantum entanglement, I think
...
Cheers,
Michel
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