---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/26/08: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:41 AM - Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (dave) 2. 03:26 AM - Re: Re: General balance. (Lynn Matteson) 3. 03:59 AM - Re: Found a Kitfox kit close to me (kmccune) 4. 05:48 AM - Cattle shown to align north-south (Gregory Cronin) 5. 06:31 AM - Re: Cattle shown to align north-south (Michel Verheughe) 6. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale (Michael Gibbs) 7. 06:55 AM - Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (Noel Loveys) 8. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using (Noel Loveys) 9. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: General balance. (Randy Daughenbaugh) 10. 10:35 AM - Re: Fuel tank shake (corbob13) 11. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Cattle shown to align north-south (Noel Loveys) 12. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank shake (JC Propeller Design) 13. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: General balance. WAS: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 14. 12:28 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank shake (Lowell Fitt) 15. 01:51 PM - Give me a brake! (Bob Brennan) 16. 03:18 PM - Re: Cattle shown to align north-south (kmccune) 17. 03:46 PM - Re: Give me a brake! (Cudnohufsky's) 18. 04:11 PM - Re: Give me a brake! (Tom Jones) 19. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Give me a brake! (Bob Brennan) 20. 04:32 PM - Re: Give me a brake! (Bob Brennan) 21. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (patrick reilly) 22. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Bob Brennan) 23. 06:14 PM - Re: Give me a brake! (nick4853) 24. 06:18 PM - Re: Give me a brake! (Tom Jones) 25. 06:44 PM - spinner (Daniel Wild) 26. 07:12 PM - Re: spinner (Weiss Richard) 27. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Give me a brake! (Bob Brennan) 28. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: Give me a brake! (Bob Brennan) 29. 07:39 PM - Re: Fuel tank shake (corbob13) 30. 07:48 PM - Re: Give me a brake! (corbob13) 31. 08:16 PM - Re: Give me a brake! (A Smith) 32. 08:20 PM - Re: Give me a brake! (akflyer) 33. 08:29 PM - Re: Give me a brake! (akflyer) 34. 08:36 PM - Re: Give me a brake! (akflyer) 35. 10:53 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank shake (JC Propeller Design) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:26 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale From: "dave" Mike, you can overstep and close the topic but the question remains and KitfoxAircraft will not answer. Have to make you wonder why ? I will stop posting about this but hopefully someone can answer these questions. By the way it is our business as Kitfoxes are part of all of us that own,build and fly them. Dave > Dave sez: > > Quote: > Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY > IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED ? > > > Because the business affairs of others are none of your business. > This topic is done. > > Mike G. > Kitfox List Administrator > -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0627#200627 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:07 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: General balance. Sounds like you "low-wing" guys are gonna have to fly around the equator to even things up.... Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink Floyd..."Learning to Fly") do not archive On Aug 26, 2008, at 2:38 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote: >> From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com] >> then of course there's the Coriolis force, that makes toilets rotate. > > I am sorry, Guy, but it is your bowel movements that rotate and not > the toilet itself. Something to do with general relativity and > quantum entanglement, I think ... > > Cheers, > Michel > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > 

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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:14 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Found a Kitfox kit close to me From: "kmccune" I got a reply from John yesterday afternoon, they do stock the 912 mount. So I guess its time to start horse trading! Thanks Again Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0632#200632 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:26 AM PST US From: "Gregory Cronin" Subject: Kitfox-List: Cattle shown to align north-south Is this a new ground reference? Cattle shown to align north-south http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science /nature/7575459.stm Greg N42001 KF-IV in refurb N81774 PA-32-301 Saratoga DO NOT ARCHIVE Checked by AVG. 6:32 PM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:15 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Cattle shown to align north-south (OFF-TOPIC) > From: Gregory Cronin [greg@case-assembly.com] > Is this a new ground reference? Cattle shown to align north-south. Interesting, Greg. Here is another animal (and human) behaviour discovered in Norway. A researcher was spending time with the Laps (actually they call themselves: Sami) up north when he noticed that it was badly seen to stir in one's cup of coffee clockwise. He was then told that counter-clockwise, or left rotation, is what they want when they gather reindeers to mark them. If the leading reindeer started turning to the right, you could be sure that after a while, one would start turning left and a big chaos would arise. Left turn is their natural way to turn! Well, our researcher ... did research the matter and apparently it is true: Both animals and humans have a preference to turn left. Experiments made where no visual reference was obtainable show that people as animals will turn left when walking a long distance. It is also interesting to know that pilots prefer to make a left turn and sit on the left side of the plane. Yes I know, helicopter pilots sit on the right hand seat but ... they are not humans! :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as a PAX DO NOT ARCHIVE
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:33 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale Dave, I apologize for being short in my previous message. The only people that can answer questions about the internal affairs of Kitfox Aircraft LLC are those involved. As Mr. McBean has repeatedly mentioned, this list is not a reliable way to communicate with the company, they should be contacted directly. The people on this list have no more information than you do, so there is no point to continuing this thread. Starting rumors, casting doubt on the company's health or speculating about the reasons that the principals may come and go benefits nobody and has the potential to hurt the company and its customers. While we all have a vested interest in the well-being of the product line and the company that produces it, these are private individuals making private decisions about their investment in a private company. If they choose to make public disclosures about their activities that is their prerogative. Mike G. Kitfox List Administrator > >Mike, you can overstep and close the topic but the question remains >and KitfoxAircraft will not answer. Have to make you wonder why ? >I will stop posting about this but hopefully someone can answer >these questions. > >By the way it is our business as Kitfoxes are part of all of us that >own,build and fly them. > > >Dave > > >> Dave sez: >> >> Quote: >> Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY >> IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED ? >> >> >> Because the business affairs of others are none of your business. >> This topic is done. >> >> Mike G. >> Kitfox List Administrator >> > > >-------- >Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada >Flying Videos and Kitfox Info >http://www.cfisher.com/ >Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth >http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0627#200627 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:20 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using John: For the benefit of others on the post. The ham rigs are FM not AM not that that would have a lot to do with the clarity required to send a decent voice signal. A Larger consideration would be the side tone. Ham rigs seldom, if ever, have side tone. With the side tone the pilot should be able to hear the outgoing signal unless there is an interfering rf on the same or near freq. Experience shows me that you will hear localized RFI (radio frequency interference) All that aside I'm using an Icom IC-A24 with a set of AC-200PNR headphones. I power only using batteries but I do have an external 1/4 wave whip antenna. Gander International airport is around 30 mi. away from where I normally take off. Only once was the tower not able to hear me in my 582 powered Kitfox. On that occasion a fault shorted the resistors in my plugs after taking off and the tower couldn't copy me even though I was only a couple of thousand feet from their antenna array. With a whole lot of work I did get my destination to the tower and was cleared to leave the zone. When I was ready to land I pulled the throttle and was able to easily get through (30 mi.)to notify the tower I had arrived home. Before and since that occasion I've have no problems at all. I generally only turn the radio on if I'm in the vicinity of an MF or in controlled airspace... I also carry an extra battery for Mr. Murphy :-) and his law. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hart Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:09 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using Len, I don't know for certain about the handheld you are using, but every damn handheld I've tried in an airplane has had some problems with many different things. I've never used an aviation handheld in the cockpit, but I've tried a few different amateur radio handhelds, and the biggest problem I've encountered with them is that the internal mic is NOT disconnected when an external mic is plugged in resulting two mics in parallel, 1/2 the impedance needed, and some draw down on mic voltage circuitry. The internal mics I've dealt with ARE NOT directional mics, nor are they noise cancelling They didn't work worth a flip out of the box. Cutting the connections on the circuit boards at the internal mic solved most of the problem, and turning the mic gain pot down also helped. John Hart KF IV Wilburton, OK -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using Just what the title says. I am tired of the tower asking me to repeat, or telling me I am unreadable due to the loud "buzzing" noise in the back ground. I have checked it out with my brother flying and me listening in on my hand held and the "buzzing" is the cockpit noise of the dang 2 stroke, not an electrical or interference noise. We are currently running a JHP-520 hand held, Flight com 5DX head sets and have tried sigtronix, flight com and PSE Aerocom II. I have tried david clark headsets as well and still have the dang 2 stroke scream. I know alot of guys are using something that works. I plugged the headset directly into the radio and it was worse. It seems that the PSE intercom has worked best, but still leaves alot to be desired. Dave, I noticed in your videos that you dont have the loud 2 stoke scream in the back ground on your transmissions so what set up are you using? I am wanting to order what ever it takes for my plane so I can fly direct over the tower to my favorite destination and not annoy the tower with crappy transmission's. Thanks -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:10 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using The centre conductor of the coax which goes to the element should not be grounded, unless you want to blow your radio. The braid shield of the coax should be well grounded to provide the ground plane. In your case the washing could have been the culprit not because it degraded a ground but because it caused a high resistance ground in the wrong place. You are right that cleaning the installation would fix the problem. Also make sure that no soapy water got into the end of the coax below the antenna. I have found that 90 % of avionics problems can be traced to bad or poor grounding... This is one of the exceptions that makes the rule. Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: what radio, intercom, headset combo are you using At 08:02 PM 8/24/2008, you wrote: >I have tried both ways. It was actually better using the rubber >ducky than the external in terms of the tower hearing me. More good data. Check the connection between the external antenna and your airframe. Make sure it's good, electrically. I had a problem with suddenly really lousy transmission / reception and it turned out to be degradation of the electrical connection between the antenna body and the steel frame, thereby eliminating my ground plane. It happened after washing the plane. >I have a feeling that the big part is the intercom not being a "high >noise" intercom. I looked up the SPA-400 that Guy has and saw the >400N for high noise. Looks like I may be ordering one of those. I don't have the high-noise unit and mine works well. Hopefully you can get a report on the high-noise unit. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:48 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: General balance. Man, where is a list moderator when you need one? Randy Do not archive. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: General balance. At 11:42 AM 8/25/2008, you wrote: >The thing is, why do I, and a few others, experience a 'heavy wing' >when everything seems to be spick and span and well aligned? Well, there's lateral CG, which no-one measures, and is off anyway unless the passenger weighs exactly what the pilot weighs. There's torque and slipstream, both of which are "asymmetric" And then of course there's the Coriolis force, that makes toilets rotate. (Do Kitfoxes in the southern hemisphere have the other wing heavy?) And then of course there's the earth's magnetic field; and don't forget the centripetal acceleration caused by the earth surface 1732fps rotational velocity; and that doesn't even include our orbital velocity or the precession of the equinox. . . Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:33 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel tank shake From: "corbob13" I finally got out flying and looked things over before flight. I had accumulated quite a few bugs on the prop and cleaned them off, thinking they could have been a contributor; no luck. The engine mounts seem fine and I don't think it would be panel mounts since the entire tank shakes a bit, not just the panel (the compass is mounted on top of the panel/tank not in the panel). It's not the prop setting since I have a two blade fixed pitch wood prop, 68x36. It could be a balance issue, I can have that checked next week when it goes in for annual. I also have a PXP 71x37 prop that came with the plane that I wanted to try, maybe this is my excuse to change it. -------- Cory N903DB Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0700#200700 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:34 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Cattle shown to align north-south Chopper pilots often like the right hand seat for a couple of very good reasons... the helicopter need only be equipped with one collective (elevator) stick. Once in flight this allows the pilot to use his left hand to adjust radios etc. Without changing hands on the cyclic ( joystick) or reaching across themselves. There are a few helicopters out there that have the pilot side on the left.... I think the A-star is one and the venerable Bell 47-G is another. Balance of the helicopter when lightly loaded could be another reason. They need to be in reasonable balance laterally as well as longitudinally. Just getting the rotors started on a 47 can be lots of fun because they don't have a flywheel. Starting one in cold weather is another gas!!! Pun intended. Noel Do not archive It is also interesting to know that pilots prefer to make a left turn and sit on the left side of the plane. Yes I know, helicopter pilots sit on the right hand seat but ... they are not humans! :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as a PAX ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:36 AM PST US From: "JC Propeller Design" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel tank shake How do you leave the propeller when hangared? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "corbob13" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:34 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel tank shake > > I finally got out flying and looked things over before flight. I had > accumulated quite a few bugs on the prop and cleaned them off, thinking > they could have been a contributor; no luck. The engine mounts seem fine > and I don't think it would be panel mounts since the entire tank shakes a > bit, not just the panel (the compass is mounted on top of the panel/tank > not in the panel). It's not the prop setting since I have a two blade > fixed pitch wood prop, 68x36. It could be a balance issue, I can have > that checked next week when it goes in for annual. I also have a PXP > 71x37 prop that came with the plane that I wanted to try, maybe this is my > excuse to change it. > > -------- > Cory > > N903DB > Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0700#200700 > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3389 (20080826) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: General balance. WAS: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 From: gary.algate@sandvik.com I used a balsa wedge on my first Kitfox but I put the wedge under the flapperon on the opposite wing - same effect but completely hidden. Gary Gary Algate Classic 4 jab 2200 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. "Tom Jones" Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 25/08/2008 11:19 PM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com cc Subject Kitfox-List: Re: General balance. WAS: "Heavy" wing on Series 7 > I was simply describing the general attitude of my plane as a view on the slight right bank I have and that I think can best be corrected with a tab on the aileron but, so far, no one on the list seems to give it a thought. Michel, a trim tab on a flaperon has been used by Kitfox builders to correct for a "heavy wing". I have seen one such tab that was installed near the inboard end of the flaperon. It was about 8 inches long by 3 inches wide. Back about 10 years maybe more, some Kitfox list members talked about installing what they referred to as a wedge on the flaperon to do the same thing. Near as I can remember the wedge was made of balsa wood, about 5 or six inches long by an inch wide. The thick edge was about 1/4 inch or so thick. It was glued on to the top of the trailing edge of the flaperon near the inboard end. When painted to match the flaperon no one could even notice it. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0408#200408 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:30 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel tank shake Cory, I am definitely not an expert on this, but I think the prop might just be the problem. There have been numerous posts on the list regarding the smoothness of the three bladed prop vs. the two blade. I just had a conversation with a friend this morning that mentioned that the Rans LSA product has a two blade prop and the customers don't like it and it is hurting sales. For them, as I understand it, it is more of a performance issue, but in a certified LSA once the design is certified, that's it - no changing out the props. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "corbob13" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:34 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel tank shake > > I finally got out flying and looked things over before flight. I had > accumulated quite a few bugs on the prop and cleaned them off, thinking > they could have been a contributor; no luck. The engine mounts seem fine > and I don't think it would be panel mounts since the entire tank shakes a > bit, not just the panel (the compass is mounted on top of the panel/tank > not in the panel). It's not the prop setting since I have a two blade > fixed pitch wood prop, 68x36. It could be a balance issue, I can have > that checked next week when it goes in for annual. I also have a PXP > 71x37 prop that came with the plane that I wanted to try, maybe this is my > excuse to change it. > > -------- > Cory > > N903DB > Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0700#200700 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:52 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: Kitfox-List: Give me a brake! At my wits end... which in my case might not be all that far..... I am having problems with my hydraulic brake cylinder and cannot figure it out. Trying to resolve ground looping problems - always to the right - I discovered that the left brake "fades" quickly so on applying brakes on a short runway I sometimes ended up slow-looping to the right despite pressing as hard as I can on the left brake. In a previous post I asked how to top up the fluid and did the pump-from-the-bottom-til-it-squirts-out-the-top thing and it seemed to be better on quick-stop tests, until I looped again. I have attached a picture of the cylinder as I don't know the manufacturer. I took apart both cylinders, the left one had an O ring at the top that was the wrong size and not seated properly. I thought "aha!" and replaced that O ring on both with proper sized, and also the ring on the piston. Cleaned both thoroughly, pumped old fluid out of the system bottom-to-top, re-installed both cylinders and pumped til it came out the top screw, and tested. Right one fine - left one makes gurgle noises and goes full travel, no fluid leaks. Once it bottoms out - no more left brake. I disassembled the left one again, filled it with fluid with no parts in it to ensure no air, put parts in and sealed the outlet rather than attach the brakeline, reassembled and pushed on the plunger and it still bottoms out with gurgles. All parts are identical in both cylinders, seem to fit the same, yet one develops pressure and the other gurgles (sound of fluid through an orifice more accurately). I see there is a hole in the piston and that if pressure is placed on it in compression it seals, at least it does when I lip test it. The spring in the piston tube that provides that pressure is loose and springy as it should be. Testing both cylinders the same way they appear to be the same. I'm stumped - any ideas what to check next? All guesses/wisdom/answers/advice appreciated in advance. Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:56 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cattle shown to align north-south From: "kmccune" I thought it was just me, I am much more comfortable turning left on a motorcycle. I don't think I'm any better at it then turning right, it just feels better to me... strange Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0763#200763 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:14 PM PST US From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Give me a brake! Bob, Not an expert, but it sounds to me like you are on the right track with the hole through the piston. Can you possible find a way to plug it temporarily and re-try your test, if there is no fade you found out where it is going, then you just need to figure out why, maybe switch the spring from the other brake. I was also going to add that when I purge my brakes I have a small submersible pump in a can of brake fluid and a hose coming off the top of my reservoir back to the can of fluid, as I cycle fluid through I work both brake cylinders for that brake. Works very well. Lloyd C KF 5 912 IVO IFA Workin in it At my wits end... which in my case might not be all that far..... I am having problems with my hydraulic brake cylinder and cannot figure it out. Trying to resolve ground looping problems - always to the right - I discovered that the left brake "fades" quickly so on applying brakes on a short runway I sometimes ended up slow-looping to the right despite pressing as hard as I can on the left brake. Checked by AVG. 7:29 AM ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:56 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! From: "Tom Jones" > I am having problems with my hydraulic brake cylinder and cannot figure it > out. Trying to resolve ground looping problems - always to the right - I > discovered that the left brake "fades" quickly so on applying brakes Bob, just to be sure we are not overlooking something basic I will go ahead and ask it. The brake line in your photo appears to be full of either air or clear brake fluid. You are using red aviation brake fluid MIL-H-5606, right? -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0772#200772 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:09 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! No . I couldn't find a source so I went back to the Kitfox manual which states "non-synthetic" so I found a "special purpose" brake fluid that is petroleum based. And clear. For what it's worth the fluid I pumped out of both sides was clear, and both had a section part way through that came out dark with sediment. So - would clear petroleum-based fluid as called for in the manual be bad? And if so where would I get the proper stuff? As I said before I replaced all rubber O rings but other than the one that was the wrong size I couldn't see any difference between old and new. Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones Sent: 26 August 2008 7:11 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! > I am having problems with my hydraulic brake cylinder and cannot figure it > out. Trying to resolve ground looping problems - always to the right - I > discovered that the left brake "fades" quickly so on applying brakes Bob, just to be sure we are not overlooking something basic I will go ahead and ask it. The brake line in your photo appears to be full of either air or clear brake fluid. You are using red aviation brake fluid MIL-H-5606, right? -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0772#200772 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:02 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Give me a brake! That was my next thought Lloyd - exchange parts, especially the piston, between working and non-working. I need to buy more brake fluid first though to do that test as I haven't been keeping the test fluid clean enough to re-use. And exactly what fluid to use is the subject of a response I am awaiting from Tom Jones, although other than viscosity I can't see how it might affect the problem. I'll try anything! Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cudnohufsky's Sent: 26 August 2008 6:45 pm Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Give me a brake! Bob, Not an expert, but it sounds to me like you are on the right track with the hole through the piston. Can you possible find a way to plug it temporarily and re-try your test, if there is no fade you found out where it is going, then you just need to figure out why, maybe switch the spring from the other brake. I was also going to add that when I purge my brakes I have a small submersible pump in a can of brake fluid and a hose coming off the top of my reservoir back to the can of fluid, as I cycle fluid through I work both brake cylinders for that brake. Works very well. Lloyd C KF 5 912 IVO IFA Workin in it At my wits end... which in my case might not be all that far..... I am having problems with my hydraulic brake cylinder and cannot figure it out. Trying to resolve ground looping problems - always to the right - I discovered that the left brake "fades" quickly so on applying brakes on a short runway I sometimes ended up slow-looping to the right despite pressing as hard as I can on the left brake. Checked by AVG. 7:29 AM ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:17 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan Bob=2C I think I heated to 120 degrees before drilling. I can't really reme mber. I used a heat gun=2C as I said=2C and a laser thermometer and practic ed on a scrap piece first. Do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL From: matronics@bob.brennan.nameTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: K itfox-List: Re: Windsceen LexanDate: Mon=2C 25 Aug 2008 19:34:06 -0400 Pat=2C I was thinking that the previous owner hadn't heated the current windscreen properly=2C or probably not at all=2C which is why I am getting stress cra cks. In general the recommendation for lexan=2C that I have seen=2C is to n ot try to work with it at all under 70F. I am thinking the warmer the day t he better for working with lexan. And warm days in the UK.... well let's ju st say it's a rarity! Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: 25 August 2008 6:40 pmTo : kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan Dave=2C You want a dull bit that won't grab. ACS sells a special plexi bit =2C but I didn't use one. You can heat the material with a heat gun also th en it is not brittle. I don't remember how hot I got it. I used a laser the rmometer to test to get right temp in practice and then heated to that temp before drilling. Worked good for me. Pat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford =2C IL> From: matronics@bob.brennan.name> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Su bject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan> Date: Mon=2C 25 Aug 2008 18:25 b.brennan.name>> > Thanks Dave=2C> > So that sounds like a recommendation f or .080 or .093? I don't have a> micrometer but the current windscreen star ts to pulsate at a little over 75=2C> so it must be .060(?)> > There are so me fairly sharp curves on my KF2=2C which is where the cracks> occurred. I am planning to use the old pieces as templates and cut the new> with a Drem el with a cut-off wheel. With that I should be able to also> smooth the edg es. I imagine that using the right kind of drill bit to drill> the rivet ho les is important too=2C don't want any cracks there. A> metal-drilling bit? > > Bob Brennan - N717GB> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox> Rotax 582 with 3 bla de prop> Wrightsville Pa > > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox -list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave> Sent: 25 August 2008 5:08 pm> To: kitfox-list@matronics .com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" > > Bob=2C > > 060 will work and easy t o work with> it will flex over 75 mph .> I have .125 and it is harder to wo rk with. > > Make sure you smooth the edges well as cracks can propagate fr om Lexan if> not smoothed . > > > Dave> > --------> Rotax Dealer=2C Ontario Canada> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info> http://www.cfisher.com/> Realtime K itfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth > http://www.y outube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer> > > > > Read this topic onlin e here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0519#200519> > > > > > > > > >====================> > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:09 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan Pat - how about for bending? I would think that would be more important that it be warm (more flexible?) when bent(?) I know I'm more flexible when I'm bent... ;-) Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: 26 August 2008 7:56 pm Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan Bob, I think I heated to 120 degrees before drilling. I can't really remember. I used a heat gun, as I said, and a laser thermometer and practiced on a scrap piece first. Do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL _____ From: matronics@bob.brennan.name Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan Pat, I was thinking that the previous owner hadn't heated the current windscreen properly, or probably not at all, which is why I am getting stress cracks. In general the recommendation for lexan, that I have seen, is to not try to work with it at all under 70F. I am thinking the warmer the day the better for working with lexan. And warm days in the UK.... well let's just say it's a rarity! Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: 25 August 2008 6:40 pm Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan Dave, You want a dull bit that won't grab. ACS sells a special plexi bit, but I didn't use one. You can heat the material with a heat gun also then it is not brittle. I don't remember how hot I got it. I used a laser thermometer to test to get right temp in practice and then heated to that temp before drilling. Worked good for me. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL > From: matronics@bob.brennan.name > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:25:07 -0400 > > > Thanks Dave, > > So that sounds like a recommendation for .080 or .093? I don't have a > micrometer but the current windscreen starts to pulsate at a little over 75, > so it must be .060(?) > > There are some fairly sharp curves on my KF2, which is where the cracks > occurred. I am planning to use the old pieces as templates and cut the new > with a Dremel with a cut-off wheel. With that I should be able to also > smooth the edges. I imagine that using the right kind of drill bit to drill > the rivet holes is important too, don't want any cracks there. A > metal-drilling bit? > > Bob Brennan - N717GB > 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox > Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop > Wrightsville Pa > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave > Sent: 25 August 2008 5:08 pm > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan > > > Bob, > > 060 will work and easy to work with > it will flex over 75 mph . > I have .125 and it is harder to work with. > > Make sure you smooth the edges well as cracks can propagate from Lexan if > not smoothed . > > > Dave > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > Flying Videos and Kitfox Info > http://www.cfisher.com/ > Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0519#200519 > > > > > > > > > >=================== > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:22 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! From: "nick4853" Hi Bob This is off topic but I flew into 8N7 on Saturday to see if you were there, neat little airport a bit of a ghost town. There is a Tail wheel fly in at Shreveport North this weekend. The airport is north west of York I'm going with some guys from shoestring (0P2). Maybe another Kitfox and an Avid should be fun. Hope to see you there. Nick W. -------- kitfox !V-1200 Rotax 912ul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0797#200797 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:17 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! From: "Tom Jones" matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote: > That was my next thought Lloyd - exchange parts, especially the piston, > between working and non-working. I need to buy more brake fluid first though > to do that test as I haven't been keeping the test fluid clean enough to > re-use. And exactly what fluid to use is the subject of a response I am > awaiting from Tom Jones, although other than viscosity I can't see how it > might affect the problem. I'll try anything! > > Bob Brennan - N717GB > 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox > Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop > Wrightsville Pa > > -- The seals in aircraft brakes will deteriorate with DOT Brake fluid. Do a google search on aviation brake fluid and you will find many arguments for and against this. I won't go near even a discussion on the subject except to say the manual says use Aviation Red brake fluid. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0799#200799 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:03 PM PST US From: "Daniel Wild" Subject: Kitfox-List: spinner I have a 532 with a GSC 3 blade ground adjustable prop. and I am looking for a spinner. The dia. of the spinner mounting plate behind the prop is 7" and has 9 small holes all spaced out around the edge. Can anyone show me the way to a spinner? Thanks Dan Wild kitfox model 1 532 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:26 PM PST US From: Weiss Richard Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: spinner Dan, This may be your lucky day. I have a new aluminum spinner, apparently for a GSC prop. It's nearly 11 inches long and about 7 in diameter at the base. It was supposed to fit on my 912S with a Warp Drive prop, but it doesn't. I have a feeling it may be for a different Rotax. I bought it from the old SkyStar company. As a matter of fact it has a SkyStar part number on it. It has two plates, one is the bulkhead plate and the other is more forward. I have all the nut plates, screws, etc. It's never been used. If your interested and think it may work for you, please feel free to contact me off line or at 301-502-8029. Rick Weiss Series V Speedster, 912S On Aug 26, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Daniel Wild wrote: > I have a 532 with a GSC 3 blade ground adjustable prop. and I am > looking for a spinner. The dia. of the spinner mounting plate behind > the prop is 7" and has 9 small holes all spaced out around the edge. > Can anyone show me the way to a spinner? Thanks > Dan Wild > kitfox model 1 > 532 > > Rick Weiss Series V Speedster, 912 Power, SkyStar S/N 1 MDKitfox@aol.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:00 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! Thanks for the invite Nick, give me a shout next time though. I'm down for a little maintenance at the moment - fixing that left brake because the next ground loop might not be as forgiving, and installing a gas sight-tube so I know *exactly* how much is left. Then my headsets need fixing... Tomorrow I am taking some ground school because I realise that it's been more than 20 years since I flew seriously in US airspace and I need to be sharper than I am at the moment. Then I need to finish my hours of new Airworthiness Cert before leaving 8N7. Busy, busy! McGinnis (8N7) doesn't get but a few airplanes a year but George McGinnis is a great old pilot (94 now, pilot in spirit) and I am currently his only customer. He has no facilities but his son keeps the field mowed. I keep my Kitfox in my barn across the river and trailer it over to Columbia, was there 3 times last week. If you're flying over and see an empty trailer by the windsock I'm there, drop in and visit. In the meantime keep me informed on fly-ins and I'll join in just as soon as I'm safe and the airplane's ready. Do not archive Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nick4853 Sent: 26 August 2008 9:14 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! Hi Bob This is off topic but I flew into 8N7 on Saturday to see if you were there, neat little airport a bit of a ghost town. There is a Tail wheel fly in at Shreveport North this weekend. The airport is north west of York I'm going with some guys from shoestring (0P2). Maybe another Kitfox and an Avid should be fun. Hope to see you there. Nick W. -------- kitfox !V-1200 Rotax 912ul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0797#200797 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:16 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! That's why I replaced the seals first thing Tom, but I can't say they showed any signs of problems. DOT brake fluid is a synthetic, I am careful to use non-synthetic at the moment but will certainly use aviation red if someone points me to a source. Unfortunately the seals are not the problem, I was hoping they were = easy fix. Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones Sent: 26 August 2008 9:18 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote: > That was my next thought Lloyd - exchange parts, especially the piston, > between working and non-working. I need to buy more brake fluid first though > to do that test as I haven't been keeping the test fluid clean enough to > re-use. And exactly what fluid to use is the subject of a response I am > awaiting from Tom Jones, although other than viscosity I can't see how it > might affect the problem. I'll try anything! > > Bob Brennan - N717GB > 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox > Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop > Wrightsville Pa > > -- The seals in aircraft brakes will deteriorate with DOT Brake fluid. Do a google search on aviation brake fluid and you will find many arguments for and against this. I won't go near even a discussion on the subject except to say the manual says use Aviation Red brake fluid. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0799#200799 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:20 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel tank shake From: "corbob13" It sounds like other suspect the prop, which does seem most likely. Jan, I think I see where you're getting with your question, and to be honest I leave it where ever it stops. Before I bought the plane it sat unused for a while, and the prop may have been in a horizontal orientation (if I understand where you're headed). I'll follow up if I find a solution. Thanks again. -------- Cory N903DB Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0820#200820 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:48 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! From: "corbob13" Bob, What you're looking for is MIL-5606 fluid. You can get it from Wicks, AS&S or any of those places. I recently bled the brakes ion my plane, and like you found the problem to be something other than what I repaired. There was a Matco service bulletin from the mid-nineties that wasn't complied with on my plane so my brakes get to be a little touchy as they warm up. The exact opposite of the problem you're facing. Cory -------- Cory N903DB Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0823#200823 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:59 PM PST US From: "A Smith" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Give me a brake! Bob Do not recognize the cylender. But here is an idea. I think there is a valve in the piston. It sounds like it is in backwards or missing. Something like a check valve. It lets you build pressure one way and flows the other way. It may be as simple as a ball that is crimped into a hole through the piston. Something to check. Albert MudLake, Id. Mod 5TD, NSIT, Cap ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:39 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! From: "akflyer" Bob, those are matco brakes. You can get the re-build kit for around 15.00. I re-built mine. Check the bottom of the plunger and make sure the little round rubber disk is still in place. The o-rings need to be Buna-n or they will deteriorate fast. http://matco.elixirlabs.com/users/matco/images/mastercylinder13a.jpg This is the link to the parts break down for the master. This shows the new model master, but the note calls out the parts needed for the old style that you and I both have. If you call matco and tell them what you have the tech guy is real cool and will hook you right up with the parts you need. The ship real fast too. Any airport FBO should have some 5606 brake fluid. www.matcomfg.com Matco contact info. Contact Us: NEW ADDRESS EFFECTIVE 3-19-07 2361 South 1560 West Woods Cross, UT 84087 USA (801) 335-0582 (801) 335-0581 Fax tech@MATCOmfg.com -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0828#200828 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:46 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! From: "akflyer" Another thought. I think the little rubber "plug" on the bottom of the plunger may be the problem. When you get the re-build kit, you have to glue the rubber disk on, then sand it off to XX measurement (sorry I am at work and wont be home to pull the directions till the 5th) I though well crap, what they call for is only a few thousands less than what it comes out to be when you glue the whole thing on so I don't need to sand it.... well you could not fill from the bottom up as those few thousandths was enough to block the hole. I then sanded it off, put it back together and it did the same thing you are describing.. I was pissed as one side worked and the other didn't and I knew darn good and well I had put them both together the same... Well when I pulled it back apart, I had flipped something over on the left one just as I think you have, but I cant remember exactly what it was (I did it last year).. At any rate, I bet you just flipped something over when you had it apart. Hopefully this will help you out. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0830#200830 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:19 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Give me a brake! From: "akflyer" http://matco.elixirlabs.com/users/matco/images/mastercylinder1a.jpg Order rebuild kit MCMCRBD1. Sorry for the multiple posts, but a little more digging on the matco site and I found the master you have. Here is the proper drawing for it. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0832#200832 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:55 PM PST US From: "JC Propeller Design" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel tank shake Cory You are on something, I've seen it before and it really make a difference where you leave the 2 bladed wooden prop, it can be other factors though. Also, a wooden fixed pitch prop can have different angles on both blades if poorly made. A 3 bladed is said to be smoother on some engines, but how to store it horizontal? put the plane on the nose in hangar? :-) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "corbob13" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:39 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel tank shake > > It sounds like other suspect the prop, which does seem most likely. Jan, > I think I see where you're getting with your question, and to be honest I > leave it where ever it stops. Before I bought the plane it sat unused for > a while, and the prop may have been in a horizontal orientation (if I > understand where you're headed). I'll follow up if I find a solution. > Thanks again. > > -------- > Cory > > N903DB > Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0820#200820 > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3390 (20080826) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.