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1. 02:02 AM - Taildragger Fly-in (jeff puls)
2. 03:25 AM - Re: Header tank location (Lynn Matteson)
3. 04:43 AM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (fox5flyer)
4. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: exhaust pipe clearance (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
5. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Lynn Matteson)
6. 09:04 AM - Factory Fly-in (jdmcbean)
7. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Trim Tab (Lynn Matteson)
8. 09:49 AM - Re: Windsceen Lexan (fox5flyer)
9. 10:33 AM - Re: Rudder Trim Tab (Michel Verheughe)
10. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Lynn Matteson)
11. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Larry Huntley)
12. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Trim Tab (Lynn Matteson)
13. 12:47 PM - Re: Windsceen Lexan (Michel Verheughe)
14. 01:04 PM - Re: Rudder Trim Tab (Michel Verheughe)
15. 01:16 PM - Re: 912s installation (Chenoweth)
16. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (Larry Huntley)
17. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Windsceen Lexan (patrick reilly)
18. 03:12 PM - Re: Header tank location (patrick reilly)
19. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Trim Tab (Lynn Matteson)
20. 05:05 PM - Re: Header tank location (Lynn Matteson)
21. 08:02 PM - Re: Header tank location (patrick reilly)
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| Subject: | Taildragger Fly-in |
If anyone is interested, there is a taildragger fly-in in Waynesville,
Ohio this weekend.
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| Subject: | Re: Header tank location |
Pat-
For me it serves as a "gascolator".....the final (I hope) resting
place for any water that might have found its way into the system. (I
have a filter in each line coming into this tank, and one after, to
catch any dirt.)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Pat Reilly wrote:
> Kitfoxers, My mod 3 has the header tank located high behind the
> seats. The current models have the header tank located low behind
> the co-pilots seat. Is there an advantage to the new lower location?
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Pat, again I think there is still some confusion between polycarbonate
and Plexiglas. Polycarbonate (Lexan, Rhino, Manchester, and many other
names) is soft and can be cut with tin snips, drilled with a
conventional drill bit, and bent in a sheet metal brake. The downside
is that it is very soft and easily scratched. Plexiglass is hard,
brittle, difficult to cut, can't be bent very much without a lot of
heat, resistant to scratching, yet brittle enough so that it can easily
be cracked if stressed. Plexiglass is what is used in certified
aircraft and also what LP Aeroplastics supplies. It sounds like the J
Peg you are referring to is polycarbonate, not Plexiglas.
Polycarbonate is fine for experimental aircraft use, but it will have to
be changed more often than Plexiglas.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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From: patrick reilly
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:40 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
Bob, Yes, I like the idea of a tinted cabintop. I was going to add the
tinted film to clear plexi but Menards (a large lumber yard chain ) had
a sheet of bronze tinted plexi with a corner broken off that was marked
down about 25%. No, I used plexi not Lexan. One of the builders at the
airport said he liked plexi better. There are pros and cons for both. I
think he said plexi is more petrol resistant and doesn't scratch as
easy, and can't be buffed out. I thought Lexan was more scratch
resistant. I actually used a very flexable clear new plexi of some sort
for the windshield. I don't know how it will prove out. It was called J
Peg on something on that order. Someone on the website was asking about
it and I thought it sounded good, so thats what I used. You can even cut
it with sheetmetal shears without fracturing it. Seems rather soft.
We'll see what happens.
Pat Reilly
Mod # 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: RE: exhaust pipe clearance |
Michael
As you know - Size really does matter
Gary
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> From: gary.algate@sandvik.com
> I have even increased the outlet area
> under my Jab installation (Round Cowl) and fitted additional Aluminum
lips
> to increase the pressure reduction (See Foto)
Size wise, yours looks pretty much like mine, Gary.
... I mean ... well, you know what I mean! :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Deke-
LP Aeroplastics uses *acrylic*.....where does that fit into the grand
scheme of things?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Aug 28, 2008, at 7:42 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> Pat, again I think there is still some confusion between
> polycarbonate and Plexiglas. Polycarbonate (Lexan, Rhino,
> Manchester, and many other names) is soft and can be cut with tin
> snips, drilled with a conventional drill bit, and bent in a sheet
> metal brake. The downside is that it is very soft and easily
> scratched. Plexiglass is hard, brittle, difficult to cut, can't be
> bent very much without a lot of heat, resistant to scratching, yet
> brittle enough so that it can easily be cracked if stressed.
> Plexiglass is what is used in certified aircraft and also what LP
> Aeroplastics supplies. It sounds like the J Peg you are referring
> to is polycarbonate, not Plexiglas.
> Polycarbonate is fine for experimental aircraft use, but it will
> have to be changed more often than Plexiglas.
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: patrick reilly
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:40 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>
> Bob, Yes, I like the idea of a tinted cabintop. I was going to add
> the tinted film to clear plexi but Menards (a large lumber yard
> chain ) had a sheet of bronze tinted plexi with a corner broken off
> that was marked down about 25%. No, I used plexi not Lexan. One of
> the builders at the airport said he liked plexi better. There are
> pros and cons for both. I think he said plexi is more petrol
> resistant and doesn't scratch as easy, and can't be buffed out. I
> thought Lexan was more scratch resistant. I actually used a very
> flexable clear new plexi of some sort for the windshield. I don't
> know how it will prove out. It was called J Peg on something on
> that order. Someone on the website was asking about it and I
> thought it sounded good, so thats what I used. You can even cut it
> with sheetmetal shears without fracturing it. Seems rather soft.
> We'll see what happens.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod # 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
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Although it has been on the web..
Yes the Factory fly-in is on and will be scheduled for Labor Day weekend
every year. Sorry we have not got more info on the web.. my fault.. just
busy getting things ready and time has got away from me. Looking forward to
seeing everyone.
Yes last year we had 40 aircraft and 33 Kitfox's What a great sight !
We are going keep it simple and fun...
Friday Arrivals: Most everyone will be coming in on Friday through out the
day. Snacks and food friday night...
Saturday: Smoker is lit early in the morning for the evenings pulled pork
BBQ.. dinner.. YUM.... Continental breakfast in the morning and I'm sure
someone will have a fly-out to somewhere in the morning. Lunch is being done
by the Homedale Chamber of Commerce.. Dogs & burgers. Nominal fee 12:00-2:00
Dinner to start around 6:00pm
Sunday: Departures for those that want to head out and I'm sure many will
hang around for more hangar flying and maybe a jaunt out somewhere.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Rudder Trim Tab |
The other is "precession"...that is what makes a taildragger turn to
the left (speaking of a clockwise-rotating engine, pilots view) when
the tail of the plane is raised. Precession occurs when a rotating
body is subjected to a force applied on its axis, and it always makes
the axis want to change direction...that's simpler than the
dictionary explanation, and (I think) is good enough for airplane
use. The prop is the rotating body, and the axis is the engine and
airplane that it is fastened to. If you lift the tail of the plane
when the prop is spinning, the axis (the airplane) tends to go to the
left (same CW-turning example) unless some rudder correction is
applied. Remember when you had to use left pedal with that Rotax 2-
stroke counterclockwise-rotating engine? That's the opposite-
direction example.
I'm not sure of the pressures that you cite, I just know that the tab
corrects for having to keep a bit of rudder on one side or the other,
during sustained level (cruise) flight, and this is the bulk of the
flying that I do, and when it comes time to land, I land, and I don't
find that I have to do a lot or think a lot about what I do...I just
do it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 27, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> It always corrects in the same direction regardless of throttle
>> position...that is, fast engine speed or idle.
>
> Well Lynn, I don't remember too much from my theory books but I
> think a propeller induce four things and I remember three of them.
> First, the torque that induces a roll. Then the prop in a climb
> that has a higher angle of incidence on the down blade than the up.
> That also induces roll. Last, the prop wash that spiral around the
> fuselage and hit the vertical stab on one side or the other. This
> induces yaw.
>
> Now, if I have a tab on the rudder and I fly twice as fast, the
> pressure on the rudder will be four time as great but so will be
> the pressure on the tab; thus they even out. Okay.
>
> But say you fly at 90 MPH at full throttle then you pull the
> throttle to idle and push the nose down to keep the same speed. The
> pressure on the rudder and tab will be the same because the speed
> is the same, but the side pressure on the vertical stab will be
> less because the prop is spinning much slower. Hence the effect of
> the tab in correcting the induced yaw will be different. ... or is
> it not?
>
> I have lost my driving license for at least one year. I may ask to
> have it back in one year time if I can prove that I didn't had a
> new incident during that time. The difference between us is that
> you had a heart attack. I had a heart attack followed by a cardiac
> arrest of five minutes. When you loose consciousness because of
> e.g. epileptic seizure or cardiac arrest or anything that makes you
> unconscious, you cannot drive a car or even a motorcycle during a
> certain time. In Norway, the minimum is one year.
>
> The reason I got an implanted cardiac defibrillator is that there
> is now a chance that I go into cardiac arrest again. Thousands of
> people die like that every year. They simply fall death in the
> street of in their sleep. I was fortunate that it started by a mild
> heart attack and I was already in the ambulance when my heart
> stopped beating, or actually went into ventricular fibrillation.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as PAX
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Acrylic -- Plexiglass, same thing.
Do you have all your parts yet?
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>
> Deke-
> LP Aeroplastics uses *acrylic*.....where does that fit into the grand
> scheme of things?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2008, at 7:42 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>> Pat, again I think there is still some confusion between
>> polycarbonate and Plexiglas. Polycarbonate (Lexan, Rhino,
>> Manchester, and many other names) is soft and can be cut with tin
>> snips, drilled with a conventional drill bit, and bent in a sheet
>> metal brake. The downside is that it is very soft and easily
>> scratched. Plexiglass is hard, brittle, difficult to cut, can't be
>> bent very much without a lot of heat, resistant to scratching, yet
>> brittle enough so that it can easily be cracked if stressed.
>> Plexiglass is what is used in certified aircraft and also what LP
>> Aeroplastics supplies. It sounds like the J Peg you are referring
>> to is polycarbonate, not Plexiglas.
>> Polycarbonate is fine for experimental aircraft use, but it will
>> have to be changed more often than Plexiglas.
>>
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
>> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
>> progress."
>> - Joseph Joubert
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: patrick reilly
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:40 PM
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>>
>> Bob, Yes, I like the idea of a tinted cabintop. I was going to add
>> the tinted film to clear plexi but Menards (a large lumber yard
>> chain ) had a sheet of bronze tinted plexi with a corner broken off
>> that was marked down about 25%. No, I used plexi not Lexan. One of
>> the builders at the airport said he liked plexi better. There are
>> pros and cons for both. I think he said plexi is more petrol
>> resistant and doesn't scratch as easy, and can't be buffed out. I
>> thought Lexan was more scratch resistant. I actually used a very
>> flexable clear new plexi of some sort for the windshield. I don't
>> know how it will prove out. It was called J Peg on something on
>> that order. Someone on the website was asking about it and I
>> thought it sounded good, so thats what I used. You can even cut it
>> with sheetmetal shears without fracturing it. Seems rather soft.
>> We'll see what happens.
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod # 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford, IL
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
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>> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | RE: Rudder Trim Tab |
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> The other is "precession"...
... okay, precession, Lynn. But this morning, before the two brain neurones I have
left shortcutted, it came back to me: helical propwash!
Isn't that, that makes the plane yaw and require rudder under take off? The propwash
goes around the fuselage and press on the vertical stab.
... well, I'll go and play with my plane, trying different tabs ... when I get
my driving license back!
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as PAX
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Not all of 'em...they sent a crank, but without the 6mm dowels in the
gear end or the welch/welsh plugs that are needed. I got the gear
case cover and gear that was supposed to take 2-4 weeks from
Australia yesterday. So I can start to assemble the short block, but
I'm waiting for word on some piston rings...locally, I hope. Too many
pitfalls to list, but part of the problem is it's taking too long to
get answers back from Australia, and when they do answer (through the
dealer, never to me) the answer seems to have been written by a
lawyer...vague, short answers...for example...."heat the head..."
HOW HOT? 400 1000 3000? WHAT? You can tell I'm gettin' pi - - ed!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Aug 28, 2008, at 12:49 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Acrylic -- Plexiglass, same thing.
> Do you have all your parts yet?
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>
>
>> Deke-
>> LP Aeroplastics uses *acrylic*.....where does that fit into the
>> grand scheme of things?
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
>> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
>> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
>> do not archive
>> On Aug 28, 2008, at 7:42 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
>>> Pat, again I think there is still some confusion between
>>> polycarbonate and Plexiglas. Polycarbonate (Lexan, Rhino,
>>> Manchester, and many other names) is soft and can be cut with
>>> tin snips, drilled with a conventional drill bit, and bent in a
>>> sheet metal brake. The downside is that it is very soft and
>>> easily scratched. Plexiglass is hard, brittle, difficult to
>>> cut, can't be bent very much without a lot of heat, resistant to
>>> scratching, yet brittle enough so that it can easily be cracked
>>> if stressed. Plexiglass is what is used in certified aircraft
>>> and also what LP Aeroplastics supplies. It sounds like the J
>>> Peg you are referring to is polycarbonate, not Plexiglas.
>>> Polycarbonate is fine for experimental aircraft use, but it will
>>> have to be changed more often than Plexiglas.
>>>
>>> Deke Morisse
>>> Mikado Michigan
>>> S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
>>> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
>>> progress."
>>> - Joseph Joubert
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: patrick reilly
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:40 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>>>
>>> Bob, Yes, I like the idea of a tinted cabintop. I was going to
>>> add the tinted film to clear plexi but Menards (a large lumber
>>> yard chain ) had a sheet of bronze tinted plexi with a corner
>>> broken off that was marked down about 25%. No, I used plexi not
>>> Lexan. One of the builders at the airport said he liked plexi
>>> better. There are pros and cons for both. I think he said plexi
>>> is more petrol resistant and doesn't scratch as easy, and can't
>>> be buffed out. I thought Lexan was more scratch resistant. I
>>> actually used a very flexable clear new plexi of some sort for
>>> the windshield. I don't know how it will prove out. It was
>>> called J Peg on something on that order. Someone on the website
>>> was asking about it and I thought it sounded good, so thats what
>>> I used. You can even cut it with sheetmetal shears without
>>> fracturing it. Seems rather soft. We'll see what happens.
>>>
>>> Pat Reilly
>>> Mod # 582 Rebuild
>>> Rockford, IL
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
>>> ============================================================ _-
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>>> ============================================================ _-
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>>> ===========================================================
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
All Plexiglas is acrylic,but not all acrylic is Plexiglas. ;o) Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>
> Deke-
> LP Aeroplastics uses *acrylic*.....where does that fit into the grand
> scheme of things?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> do not archive
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2008, at 7:42 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>> Pat, again I think there is still some confusion between polycarbonate
>> and Plexiglas. Polycarbonate (Lexan, Rhino, Manchester, and many other
>> names) is soft and can be cut with tin snips, drilled with a
>> conventional drill bit, and bent in a sheet metal brake. The downside
>> is that it is very soft and easily scratched. Plexiglass is hard,
>> brittle, difficult to cut, can't be bent very much without a lot of
>> heat, resistant to scratching, yet brittle enough so that it can easily
>> be cracked if stressed. Plexiglass is what is used in certified
>> aircraft and also what LP Aeroplastics supplies. It sounds like the J
>> Peg you are referring to is polycarbonate, not Plexiglas.
>> Polycarbonate is fine for experimental aircraft use, but it will have to
>> be changed more often than Plexiglas.
>>
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT
>> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
>> progress."
>> - Joseph Joubert
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: patrick reilly
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:40 PM
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>>
>> Bob, Yes, I like the idea of a tinted cabintop. I was going to add the
>> tinted film to clear plexi but Menards (a large lumber yard chain ) had
>> a sheet of bronze tinted plexi with a corner broken off that was marked
>> down about 25%. No, I used plexi not Lexan. One of the builders at the
>> airport said he liked plexi better. There are pros and cons for both. I
>> think he said plexi is more petrol resistant and doesn't scratch as
>> easy, and can't be buffed out. I thought Lexan was more scratch
>> resistant. I actually used a very flexable clear new plexi of some sort
>> for the windshield. I don't know how it will prove out. It was called J
>> Peg on something on that order. Someone on the website was asking about
>> it and I thought it sounded good, so thats what I used. You can even cut
>> it with sheetmetal shears without fracturing it. Seems rather soft.
>> We'll see what happens.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Rudder Trim Tab |
It's precession that causes the left swerve when the tail is raised,
and I guess the "spiraling slipstream" as Wolfgang Langewiesche calls
it, accounts for some left-turning as well. He negates "torque" as
much of a factor, and blames it on the spiraling slipstream from the
prop. This is going on constantly, it would appear, while precession
occurs only when the longitudinal axis of the plane is raised or
lowered from the resting position...as in a takeoff roll, or when
suddenly raising or lowering the nose. It is precession that you feel
when you spin a roller skate wheel between your fingers, then try to
tilt the axle one way or the other....or using a spinning bicycle
wheel to demonstrate the same thing.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Aug 28, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> The other is "precession"...
>
> ... okay, precession, Lynn. But this morning, before the two brain
> neurones I have left shortcutted, it came back to me: helical
> propwash!
> Isn't that, that makes the plane yaw and require rudder under take
> off? The propwash goes around the fuselage and press on the
> vertical stab.
>
> ... well, I'll go and play with my plane, trying different tabs ...
> when I get my driving license back!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as PAX
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> From: Larry Huntley [asq@roadrunner.com]
> All Plexiglas is acrylic, but not all acrylic is Plexiglas. ;o) Larry
... what? Do you mean to say that the acrylic paint I used for these:
http://home.online.no/~michel/paint/
is not Plexiglas? ... :-)
Michel
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| Subject: | RE: Rudder Trim Tab |
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> spiraling slipstream from the
> prop. This is going on constantly, it would appear, while precession
> occurs only when the longitudinal axis of the plane is raised or
> lowered from the resting position...as in a takeoff roll
Okay, Lynn. But "this is going on constantly" means it is going on at any attitude
but it surely must change as the RPM change, right? The same for the precession
then.
If the propeller is reponsible for a force, that force must change with the RPM,
in my opinion. So, I understand that a rudder trim tab would be self-adjusting
to different air speed but I don't see how it would work for different RPM.
When I fly and decide to climb fast at WOT, I automatically press more on the right
pedal. How could a tab compensate for that?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 2 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as PAX
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| Subject: | Re: 912s installation |
Noel,
I've sent you (off list) some photos of the "adjusted" water pump cover
but I think they might have gotten caught in your spam filter. Did you
get them?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912s installation
I'm in the throwes of doing just that to my model III-A which I expect
is actually closer to a model II. I'm using the model IV Dynafocal
mount and the first thing I've found is attaching the engione to the
mount is probably easier to do before installing in the plane. One
other item is the cooling hoses from the water pump to the cylinder
heads will require having the studs (45 deg) will need to be turned a
bit to get a decent access to putting the hoses on the pump. You may
also need to turn the 45 deg studs on the aft cylinders to get a decent
clearance on the aft hoses. These studs are held in place with green
locktite ( penetrating) and will need to be very carefully heated to
remove, clean and reinstall in the correct direction. It was advised to
me that Llight Engine Rep[airs uses a rod turned down on a lathe to
insert into the studs for removal. I don't happen to have a lathe or
any 1" aluminium stock so I had to substitute brass and a file. If you
want to try this remember the old rule don't grind anything that doesn't
spark so use a file. It may take a lot longer but it will be worth it.
Also be careful removing the top of the pump.. you may want to do that
to get a better grasp on the part and to remove the O-ring that is
inside the pump inlet.
Pictures following:
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Beautiful display Michel. Thank you for sharing! Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:46 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
>> From: Larry Huntley [asq@roadrunner.com]
>> All Plexiglas is acrylic, but not all acrylic is Plexiglas. ;o) Larry
>
> ... what? Do you mean to say that the acrylic paint I used for these:
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> is not Plexiglas? ... :-)
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> Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Windsceen Lexan |
Deke=2C Thanks for the clarification. I must have used polycarbonate for th
e windshield and bronze tinted plexi for the cabintop and turtleback hatch.
That was my 1st experience with polycarbonate. I was very surprised how fl
exible it is. Has anyone else tried a 2 piece windshield and cabintop vs. t
he 1 piece? I will be mounting it next week. I built it last winter and jus
t finished the paint. Looks pretty good. Could have been better if I could
have learned how to look into the light a little sooner. Hardest part of bu
ilding a plane or car is the paint. It is an art that needs to be excercise
d more that every 5 to 10 years.
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitf
ox-List: Re: Windsceen LexanDate: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 07:42:25 -0400
Pat=2C again I think there is still some confusion between polycarbonate an
d Plexiglas. Polycarbonate (Lexan=2C Rhino=2C Manchester=2C and many other
names) is soft and can be cut with tin snips=2C drilled with a conventiona
l drill bit=2C and bent in a sheet metal brake. The downside is that it is
very soft and easily scratched. Plexiglass is hard=2C brittle=2C difficul
t to cut=2C can't be bent very much without a lot of heat=2C resistant to s
cratching=2C yet brittle enough so that it can easily be cracked if stresse
d. Plexiglass is what is used in certified aircraft and also what LP Aerop
lastics supplies. It sounds like the J Peg you are referring to is polycar
bonate=2C not Plexiglas.
Polycarbonate is fine for experimental aircraft use=2C but it will have to
be changed more often than Plexiglas.
Deke MorisseMikado MichiganS5/Subaru/CAP 391+ TT"The aim of an argument or
discussion should not be victory=2C but progress."- Joseph Joubert
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From: patrick reilly
Sent: Wednesday=2C August 27=2C 2008 11:40 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Windsceen Lexan
Bob=2C Yes=2C I like the idea of a tinted cabintop. I was going to add the
tinted film to clear plexi but Menards (a large lumber yard chain ) had a s
heet of bronze tinted plexi with a corner broken off that was marked down a
bout 25%. No=2C I used plexi not Lexan. One of the builders at the airport
said he liked plexi better. There are pros and cons for both. I think he sa
id plexi is more petrol resistant and doesn't scratch as easy=2C and can't
be buffed out. I thought Lexan was more scratch resistant. I actually used
a very flexable clear new plexi of some sort for the windshield. I don't kn
ow how it will prove out. It was called J Peg on something on that order. S
omeone on the website was asking about it and I thought it sounded good=2C
so thats what I used. You can even cut it with sheetmetal shears without fr
acturing it. Seems rather soft. We'll see what happens. Pat ReillyMod # 582
RebuildRockford=2C IL
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| Subject: | Header tank location |
Lynn=2C Thanks for the info. Do you have a drain on the bottom of the heade
r? I was told that with the header lower=2C the chance of loosing pressure
with low wing tank volume=2C you stand less of a chance of gas flow quiting
. My plane has a gascolator on the firewall. I guess I will use it with the
582.
Pat Do not archive> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: H
eader tank location> Date: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 06:24:43 -0400> To: kitfox-li
att@jps.net>> > Pat-> > For me it serves as a "gascolator".....the final (I
hope) resting > place for any water that might have found its way into the
system. (I > have a filter in each line coming into this tank=2C and one a
fter=2C to > catch any dirt.)> > Lynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster> Jabiru
2200=2C 562 hrs and holding for repairs> Status: "Condition grounded=2C bu
t determined to try." (Pink > Floyd..."Learning to Fly")> > > > > On Aug 27
=2C 2008=2C at 11:44 PM=2C Pat Reilly wrote:> > > Kitfoxers=2C My mod 3 has
the header tank located high behind the > > seats. The current models have
the header tank located low behind > > the co-pilots seat. Is there an adv
antage to the new lower location?> >> > Pat Reilly> > Mod 3 582 Rebuild> >
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Rudder Trim Tab |
The tab...unless it is adjustable from the cockpit...won't compensate
for any in-flight abnormalities (read: changes of speed or throttle
setting) besides the one speed that it is set for. Let me give you an
example of what I encountered, and what I did to take care of it: My
plane wanted to drift to the left, so I installed a tab on the
rudder, with the deflection of the tab going to the left. When the
air hits the left-bent tab, it pushes it to the right, and this in
turn pushes the rudder to the right. When the rudder goes *slightly*
right due to this tab-induced deflection, the plane goes slightly
right and compensates for the here-to-fore normal left turning
tendency. Because my tab was a ground-adjustable tab, I had to fly at
x-speed, sense the turning of the plane, land and adjust the tab, fly
again at x-speed and see if I did any good, or if I'd have to land
and adjust it again. I did this a couple of times, and finally got
it, but it was only good for that one x-speed, give or take a few
miles per hour. That's why it is best to have a cockpit adjustable
tab, so that at whatever speed you choose to fly, you can control any
tendency that the plane has *at that speed*. If you change speed, you
will have to change the trim tab setting as well....within reason.
When you say "a rudder trim tab would be self-adjusting to different
air speed", I don't think we're talking about the same type of trim
tab. The tab that I use, pictured, is fixed, and the only self-
adjusting that it does is if the plane goes slower, the tab is less
effective, so I'm guessing that's what you mean?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 28, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> spiraling slipstream from the
>> prop. This is going on constantly, it would appear, while precession
>> occurs only when the longitudinal axis of the plane is raised or
>> lowered from the resting position...as in a takeoff roll
>
> Okay, Lynn. But "this is going on constantly" means it is going on
> at any attitude but it surely must change as the RPM change, right?
> The same for the precession then.
> If the propeller is reponsible for a force, that force must change
> with the RPM, in my opinion. So, I understand that a rudder trim
> tab would be self-adjusting to different air speed but I don't see
> how it would work for different RPM.
> When I fly and decide to climb fast at WOT, I automatically press
> more on the right pedal. How could a tab compensate for that?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 2 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as PAX
>
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| Subject: | Re: Header tank location |
Yes, Pat, I have a "quickdrain" I think it's called, and I use it to
sump the header to check for water....VERY seldom ever finding any.
It was suggested here that the drains in the wing tanks are just
another source of leaks, and that the drain in the low-mounted header
tank serves the same purpose. In fact, it serves a better
purpose...it gets any moisture that might get into the system between
the wing tanks and the header tank.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Aug 28, 2008, at 6:12 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Thanks for the info. Do you have a drain on the bottom of the
> header? I was told that with the header lower, the chance of
> loosing pressure with low wing tank volume, you stand less of a
> chance of gas flow quiting. My plane has a gascolator on the
> firewall. I guess I will use it with the 582.
>
> Pat Do not archive
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Header tank location
> > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:24:43 -0400
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Pat-
> >
> > For me it serves as a "gascolator".....the final (I hope) resting
> > place for any water that might have found its way into the
> system. (I
> > have a filter in each line coming into this tank, and one after, to
> > catch any dirt.)
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster
> > Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
> > Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> > Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Pat Reilly wrote:
> >
> > > Kitfoxers, My mod 3 has the header tank located high behind the
> > > seats. The current models have the header tank located low behind
> > > the co-pilots seat. Is there an advantage to the new lower
> location?
> > >
> > > Pat Reilly
> > > Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> > > Rockf
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| Subject: | Header tank location |
Lynn=2C Where is the drain located and access point. If I move my tank to
the lower position or get a new one=2C a sump drain sounds like a great ide
a.
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Pat > From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Header tank locati
on> Date: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 20:05:27 -0400> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
eson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > Yes=2C Pat=2C I have a "quickdrain" I think it's
called=2C and I use it to > sump the header to check for water....VERY sel
dom ever finding any. > It was suggested here that the drains in the wing t
anks are just > another source of leaks=2C and that the drain in the low-mo
unted header > tank serves the same purpose. In fact=2C it serves a better
> purpose...it gets any moisture that might get into the system between > t
he wing tanks and the header tank.> > Lynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster> J
abiru 2200=2C 562 hrs and holding for repairs> Status: "Condition grounded
=2C but determined to try." (Pink > Floyd..."Learning to Fly")> > > > > > O
n Aug 28=2C 2008=2C at 6:12 PM=2C patrick reilly wrote:> > > Lynn=2C Thanks
for the info. Do you have a drain on the bottom of the > > header? I was t
old that with the header lower=2C the chance of > > loosing pressure with l
ow wing tank volume=2C you stand less of a > > chance of gas flow quiting.
My plane has a gascolator on the > > firewall. I guess I will use it with t
he 582.> >> > Pat Do not archive> >> > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net> > > Subjec
t: Re: Kitfox-List: Header tank location> > > Date: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 06:2
4:43 -0400> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > >> > > --> Kitfox-List mes
sage posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > >> > > Pat-> > >> > > F
or me it serves as a "gascolator".....the final (I hope) resting> > > place
for any water that might have found its way into the > > system. (I> > > h
ave a filter in each line coming into this tank=2C and one after=2C to> > >
catch any dirt.)> > >> > > Lynn Matteson> > > Kitfox IV Speedster> > > Jab
iru 2200=2C 562 hrs and holding for repairs> > > Status: "Condition grounde
d=2C but determined to try." (Pink> > > Floyd..."Learning to Fly")> > >> >
>> > >> > >> > > On Aug 27=2C 2008=2C at 11:44 PM=2C Pat Reilly wrote:> > >
> > > > Kitfoxers=2C My mod 3 has the header tank located high behind the>
> > > seats. The current models have the header tank located low behind> >
> > the co-pilots seat. Is there an advantage to the new lower > > location
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