---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/05/08: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:00 AM - Watrer pump housing pics from Bill Chenoweth (Noel Loveys) 2. 05:12 AM - Re: Re: Floats with the new exhaust pipe. (Noel Loveys) 3. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney (Rick) 4. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney (fox5flyer) 5. 11:41 AM - Re: Watrer pump housing pics from Bill Chenoweth (JetPilot) 6. 11:49 AM - Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip (JetPilot) 7. 01:15 PM - Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip (dave) 8. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip (Bob Brennan) 9. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan DenneyRe: Kitfox Fly in and Dan DenneyRe: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney (Ed Gray) 10. 02:17 PM - Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip (dave) 11. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan DenneyRe: Kitfox Fly in and Dan DenneyRe: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney (Bob Brennan) 12. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip (Bob Brennan) 13. 07:09 PM - anchor nuts (bob noffs) 14. 07:21 PM - Re: anchor nuts (Guy Buchanan) 15. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney (The Eathertons) 16. 09:11 PM - Re: anchor nuts (patrick reilly) 17. 09:56 PM - For Sale: Kitfox, Series V, Outback, 912ULS (Larry Boone) 18. 10:04 PM - Re: For Sale: Kitfox, Series V, Outback, 912ULS (JetPilot) 19. 10:08 PM - Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney (JetPilot) 20. 10:17 PM - Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip (JetPilot) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:42 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: Kitfox-List: Watrer pump housing pics from Bill Chenoweth These are the pictures Bill Chenoweth sent me last night. Nopte two of the studs are short straight and one is close to 90 deg. 280826-912-pump001.jpg 280826-912-pump002.jpg Noel ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:42 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Floats with the new exhaust pipe. Thanks Dave. 2 deg. Is a lot of pitch so I can see the power increase must have been considerable. I was looking at the vid of the L'iLL Buzzard. Certainly doesn't seem to clear the runway as fast as the 'Fox. Has anyone put one on floats yet? Noel ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:22 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney Aside from the shear beauty are there and numbers for performance, efficiency? I would think the extra set of wings would add weight and drag. Maybe the are half as long, don't know. While I was looking at the pictures my mind envisioned it as a low wing as well. Very nice. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of The Eathertons Sent: 2008-09-04 20:40 Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney --> I saw the bi-plane version one night late on some unknown website and have never found it again. I would be interested in a picture of that if anyone knows where or how to get there. Jason Eatherton Kitfox III 582 In Progress Rapid City, South Dakota -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of phil@lakercustom.com Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney Here is a shot of Dan and John with the SS and the Special Effects in the background. Papa > > >> >> What is a " Special Effects Kitfox " ??? Can someone post a picture ? >> >> Mike >> >> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:26 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney As I recall, I read somewhere that the performance wasn't all that great as compared to the mono high wing, nor was it expected to be. It was just a one-up concept. I think the wings were just halves. All in all it was a beautiful airplane and I always thought it would look good at the Oshkosh museum. A rightful place for it amongst many other concepts. I saw it up close and personal at Oshkosh and it was as pretty as the photos. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 394+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney > > Aside from the shear beauty are there and numbers for performance, > efficiency? I would think the extra set of wings would add weight and > drag. Maybe the are half as long, don't know. While I was looking at the > pictures my mind envisioned it as a low wing as well. Very nice. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of The > Eathertons > Sent: 2008-09-04 20:40 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney > > > --> > > I saw the bi-plane version one night late on some unknown website and > have never found it again. I would be interested in a picture of that > if anyone knows where or how to get there. > > Jason Eatherton > Kitfox III 582 In Progress > Rapid City, South Dakota > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > phil@lakercustom.com > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:18 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney > > > Here is a shot of Dan and John with the SS and the Special Effects in > the background. > > Papa > > >> >> >>> >>> What is a " Special Effects Kitfox " ??? Can someone post a picture > ? >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:09 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Watrer pump housing pics from Bill Chenoweth From: "JetPilot" Thanks for the pictures, it looks like they did a great job on it. What do they mean by " Bolts NOT Torque " ? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2788#202788 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:44 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip From: "JetPilot" Ethanol use in gasoline is also causing the greatest environmental disasters ever seen on this planet. Now that the demand for Corn, and food is way up because we are burning it our cars, deforestation of the land is happening at an exponential pace. Places like Malaysia and Brasil are now growing more food to make up the difference, and deforesting massive amounts of land to do it. To produce enough ethanol to fill up a typical SUV ( 25 gallons or so ) it takes enough corn to feed a person for an entire year [Evil or Very Mad] Millions are being pushed into starvation by this policy. Bad for the environment, bad for starving people, and bad for our economy due to hugely increased fuel prices... Most importantly, ethanol is bad for our airplanes [Wink] Yes, its time to fight ethanol use mandated by idiots as hard as we can. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2789#202789 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:17 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip From: "dave" Mike, Like i said I am not a supporter of ethanol but rather forced to use it. My point is once again after thousands of gallons of gasoline burned in my Kitfox with the mandated ethanol I have had ZERO problems like you and others talk about. Show me why I am wrong Dave > Most importantly, ethanol is bad for our airplanes > > Yes, its time to fight ethanol use mandated by idiots as hard as we can. > > Mike > -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2798#202798 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:31 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip Dave and Mike - hope you don't mind my jumping in here... I had *very* noticeable problems with my 1989 model II with the first tank of 6% ethanol gas: severe discoloration (so dark I could hardly see through it) and black particles in the fuel sump that took about 4 drains to clear up. I drained the fuel completely and put in ethanol-free 92 octane - sediment lessened for about 3 pre-flight cycles and is now running crystal clear. I have ordered ethanol-proof gas line hoses and a new fuel filter, and will continue to use ethanol-free while I can. I suggest that your fuel system Dave is already fairly ethanol-proofed? Whether you did it intentionally or not? But I also suggest that there are other older planes out there like mine that could suffer rubber disintegration like I did and will benefit from whatever experiences others have had. I used 6% ethanol(measured) and had problems, I switched to 0%(measured) without changing anything else and the problems went away. I don't remember who said it but "learn by other's mistakes, you can't possibly live long enough to only learn from your own" ;-) Your airplane is obviously ethanol-safe. Can I ask what fuel lines you have installed and if you have actually tested your fuel for ethanol content - and what that % is? Thanks! Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave Sent: 05 September 2008 4:15 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip Mike, Like i said I am not a supporter of ethanol but rather forced to use it. My point is once again after thousands of gallons of gasoline burned in my Kitfox with the mandated ethanol I have had ZERO problems like you and others talk about. Show me why I am wrong Dave > Most importantly, ethanol is bad for our airplanes > > Yes, its time to fight ethanol use mandated by idiots as hard as we can. > > Mike > -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2798#202798 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:12 PM PST US From: "Ed Gray" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan DenneyRe: Kitfox Fly in and Dan DenneyRe: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney I am reading messages about pictures of Denny's biplane, etc. but am unable to open any pics other than the one of the Fox over the water. I am computer illiterate, but what am I missing? Currently building a KII with 582 and GSC prop-about ready to cover. Putting the aluminum 1.1 gallon tank behind co-pilot seat and a six gallon tank in each wing. Planning on putting fuel valve on portside tank only so it can be shut off and starboard tank only used for short flights. Also considering a facet between the wing tank "tee" and the header tank. Comments or guidance appreciated. Any EAA members in DFW who can inspect my work will be appreciated. Ed Gray, Dallas K II, 582 building ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:23 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip From: "dave" > Your airplane is obviously ethanol-safe. Can I ask what fuel lines you have > installed and if you have actually tested your fuel for ethanol content - > and what that % is? > Never tested for ethanol but we are supposed to have it for last 2 years up to 10% . I use superthane fuel lines and/or blue urethane lines. I have black fuel lines from wingtanks to the Tee. alum line after that. Wingtanks has no sloshing in them just the way they came. I just buy gas -- auto or marine where ever I go and it works. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2817#202817 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:19 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan DenneyRe: Kitfox Fly in and Dan DenneyRe: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney Ed - can I ask what year your K2 kit was made? Serial number? Mine is serial number 507, manufactured in 1989 and completed in 1991. I didn't know there were unfinished K2s out there! Also - I certificated mine as Experimental - Light Sport just recently; although I had a heck of a time I think it was worth the fight. All the best, Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Gray Sent: 05 September 2008 4:59 pm Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan DenneyRe: Kitfox Fly in and Dan DenneyRe: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney I am reading messages about pictures of Denny's biplane, etc. but am unable to open any pics other than the one of the Fox over the water. I am computer illiterate, but what am I missing? Currently building a KII with 582 and GSC prop-about ready to cover. Putting the aluminum 1.1 gallon tank behind co-pilot seat and a six gallon tank in each wing. Planning on putting fuel valve on portside tank only so it can be shut off and starboard tank only used for short flights. Also considering a facet between the wing tank "tee" and the header tank. Comments or guidance appreciated. Any EAA members in DFW who can inspect my work will be appreciated. Ed Gray, Dallas K II, 582 building ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:23 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip The gas station I buy my ethanol-free premium from has a sticker on the pump that states "May contain up to 10% ethanol" as required by local law. Actual ethanol in the fuel is not required for another year or 2. Two other stations have the same sticker (although one makes it with a pretty green environmentally-friendly stylized E) and test as 5% and 6%, it was the 6% that caused my problems. I also may have an unusual kit in that my rubber gas hoses are UK type, and I also have placards that state in no uncertain terms "NO ALCOHOL CONTAINING FUEL ALLOWED". That's good info about your fuel lines and wing tanks - mine are all either rubber or aluminum and I Cremed the wing tank myself to fix a seam leak. Never saw any Creme sediment, only black. As I said I am replacing the rubber as I go, and I think I will need to rebuild the Bings too for safety's sake. They're 16 years old, a rebuild couldn't hurt. > I just buy gas -- auto or marine where ever I go and it works. Can I, with all due respect, and having read many of your posts the respect is real, challenge your "prove me wrong" statement earlir by asking that you do the simple add-water-and-shake test for ethanol? I have the calibrated tube that has 1% gradules but any thin clear container will work - just mix 10% water and 90% gas, draw a line where they separate, look to see if the water volume increases after shaking and settling. Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave Sent: 05 September 2008 5:17 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip > Your airplane is obviously ethanol-safe. Can I ask what fuel lines you have > installed and if you have actually tested your fuel for ethanol content - > and what that % is? > Never tested for ethanol but we are supposed to have it for last 2 years up to 10% . I use superthane fuel lines and/or blue urethane lines. I have black fuel lines from wingtanks to the Tee. alum line after that. Wingtanks has no sloshing in them just the way they came. I just buy gas -- auto or marine where ever I go and it works. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2817#202817 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:15 PM PST US From: "bob noffs" Subject: Kitfox-List: anchor nuts hi all, i have always been bothered a bit by anchor nuts and their thread locking ability. surely after enough use that quality is gone. all the ones i have seen are rivited and that makes replacement a pain and a chore. and the hole for the rivit wont be so tight next time. most anchor nuts are secured by 3/32 dia. rivits. i am in the process of installing them for my cowling and parts of my pressure plenum. these nuts will get used regularly. anyway..... a #3 flathead machine screw is about a perfect match for a 3/32 rivit. 100 screws and nuts was about $2 plus shipping from mcmaster-carr. you can see where this is going, anyone tried this? any input would be appreciated. bob noffs ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:29 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anchor nuts At 07:08 PM 9/5/2008, you wrote: >a #3 flathead machine screw is about a perfect match for a 3/32 >rivit. 100 screws and nuts was about $2 plus shipping from >mcmaster-carr. you can see where this is going, anyone tried this? >any input would be appreciated. Bob, A reasonable idea. However, when my anchor nuts loose their bite I give them a gentle squeeze with the vice grips and they're good as new. I don't want to discourage you from your screwing adventure, though. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:49 PM PST US From: "The Eathertons" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney Thanks to all of you who sent photos. You made my day and week. Cool stuff like this really gets me excited about the true freedom of building and experimental aircraft. Jason Eatherton Kitfox III 582 In Progress Rapid City, South Dakota From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of william Mills Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney Jason - I've seen a few photos but only saved this one. Sorry - I don't have a larger file. Bill Mills - lurking since '98 Chinook/912ul in progress SF bay area On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:40 PM, The Eathertons wrote: I saw the bi-plane version one night late on some unknown website and have never found it again. I would be interested in a picture of that if anyone knows where or how to get there. Jason Eatherton Kitfox III 582 In Progress Rapid City, South Dakota -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of phil@lakercustom.com Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney Here is a shot of Dan and John with the SS and the Special Effects in the background. Papa > > >> >> What is a " Special Effects Kitfox " ??? Can someone post a picture ? >> >> Mike >> >> ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:07 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: anchor nuts Bob=2C Can you say that on this Website? do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2CIL n@nethere.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: anchor nutsAt 07:08 PM 9/5/2008=2C y ou wrote: a #3 flathead machine screw is about a perfect match for a 3/32 rivit. 100 screws and nuts was about $2 plus shipping from mcmaster-carr. you can see where this is going=2C anyone tried this? any input would be appreciated.Bo b=2C A reasonable idea. However=2C when my anchor nuts loose their b ite I give them a gentle squeeze with the vice grips and they're good as ne w. I don't want to discourage you from your screwing adventure=2C though. Guy BuchananSan Diego=2C CAK-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done=2C thanks m ostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:03 PM PST US From: "Larry Boone" Subject: Kitfox-List: For Sale: Kitfox, Series V, Outback, 912ULS Airframe covered, painted, 99% completed S7 firewall forward kit for Rotax 912 ULS, New rotax 912 ULS, Medium IVOPROP new, no spinner Panel layout with new Dynon D180 and D100 both with super bright LCD, battery packs, EMSKIT-RTX for 912, EDC-D10A with install harness, OAT, unheated AOA pitot- boom mount, Garmin GPSMAP 496 americas, Airgizmo dock, GarminSL40 slimline comm, Garmin GTX-327 w/harness, PM1000II intercom, ELT remote switch w Artex ME-406 ELT and whip antenna, LED XPAK604X-HR Strobe lights with EZ panel controls, Bussmann series 15300 RTMR fuse box for power distribution/protection. The panel is layed out with everything mounted and ready to install in airplane and complete wiring. The firewall and engine have just been mounted. There are other things included. Everything is ready to complete the project except the antennas, spinner. My partner wants out of the project because it is taking me too long to complete the project. Unfortunately, I do not have enough spare cash to buy him out. So we need to sell to get his money to him. I will try to get pictures posted to send for those who are interested. The price will be what we have paid for everything and we have receipts. That is about 53K. Larry Boone ldboone@softcom.net 209 656-6852 Denair, CA ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:41 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: For Sale: Kitfox, Series V, Outback, 912ULS From: "JetPilot" That sucks having to sell when you are so close to success. Any chance of just selling his half ? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2857#202857 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:53 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Fly in and Dan Denney From: "JetPilot" I am not a fan of biplanes, but that is one cool looking Kitfox ! I love the colors, that is the paint job I am going to do on mine, black scallops over cub yellow :D Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2858#202858 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:21 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gas talk - Float plane trip From: "JetPilot" We just started getting fuel with ethanol here. My friend got his first batch of this ethanol fuel carp in his airplane without knowing it. It has fiberglass tanks, within a week fuel was leaking out of his wings [Shocked] Every plane will react differently, according to Kitfox, the new tanks they sell tolerate ethanol very well. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! 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