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Tue 09/09/08


Total Messages Posted: 19



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 07:08 AM - passenger brakes (charles cook)
     2. 07:49 AM - Re: passenger brakes (Guy Buchanan)
     3. 09:33 AM - Staples vs Stitching  (Harry Cieslar)
     4. 09:37 AM - Lights (Harry Cieslar)
     5. 11:01 AM - Re: Lights (Mnflyer)
     6. 11:20 AM - Re: Lights (Rick)
     7. 11:26 AM - passenger brakes (charles cook)
     8. 11:29 AM - Re: Lights (JetPilot)
     9. 12:32 PM - Re: Lights (Lowell Fitt)
    10. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Lights (patrick reilly)
    11. 04:20 PM - anchor nuts (bob noffs)
    12. 04:24 PM - Re: Lights (Noel Loveys)
    13. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Lights (Lowell Fitt)
    14. 05:55 PM - LED lLights (Harry Cieslar)
    15. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Lights (Noel Loveys)
    16. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Lights (Rick Frederick)
    17. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: Lights (patrick reilly)
    18. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: Lights (patrick reilly)
    19. 11:39 PM - Re: Lights (Michel Verheughe)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:08:06 AM PST US
    From: charles cook <cookflys@yahoo.com>
    Subject: passenger brakes
    I want to add brakes and pedals to passengers side of my fox. Anybody have parts or suggestions? Charles 363KF


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    Time: 07:49:35 AM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: passenger brakes
    At 07:06 AM 9/9/2008, you wrote: >I want to add brakes and pedals to passengers side of my fox. >Anybody have parts or suggestions? >Charles >363KF Hi Charles, First, would you please put your location and aircraft type / status in your signature? That way folks can see right off whether they can help you directly and whether their experience counts. It also makes our big Kitfox family a little more friendly. Now as to adding brakes to the passenger's side, it's usually fairly straight-forward. The rudder bars are usually already set up for it so all you have to do is buy some cylinders, make some pedals, connect the cylinders in parallel with the existing units, and off you go. Come back with what kind of cylinders you have now, your aircraft type, and location and I'm sure someone will be able to help with specifics. Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.


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    Time: 09:33:49 AM PST US
    From: Harry Cieslar <hcieslar@cabletv.on.ca>
    Subject: Staples vs Stitching
    My Avid Magnum builders manual calls for stappling the poly to the wood ribs. Has anyone had problems with stapples.vs stitching. Harry Cieslar Avid Magnum Builder.


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    Time: 09:37:58 AM PST US
    From: Harry Cieslar <hcieslar@cabletv.on.ca>
    Subject: Lights
    Anyone have used auto LD lights for direction and strobes for homebuilt or any info an cheaper set than certified systems which are several hundred $ up. Thanks Harry Cieslar Avid Magnum Builder, Ontario, Canada


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    Time: 11:01:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lights
    From: "Mnflyer" <gbsb2002@yahoo.com>
    Hi Harry, not sure what you mean by LD lights, but nav lights can sometimes be gotten on e bay at a more reasonable price, also the Cessna flashing beacon assemblies sell quite reasonable, for a landing light I use a quartz driving/fog light on mine. I also just modified an old pair of grimes nav lights to accept LED bulbs and will be installing them later nice thing about LED's is they draw very little electrical current so its nice and easy on the charging system. -------- GB MNFlyer Flying a HKS Kitfox III Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3419#203419


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    Time: 11:20:16 AM PST US
    From: "Rick" <wingsdown@verizon.net>
    Subject: Lights
    Go to code 3 and others. You will find all sorts of power units and strobes, way cheaper. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harry Cieslar Sent: 2008-09-09 09:37 Subject: Kitfox-List: Lights --> <hcieslar@cabletv.on.ca> Anyone have used auto LD lights for direction and strobes for homebuilt or any info an cheaper set than certified systems which are several hundred $ up. Thanks Harry Cieslar Avid Magnum Builder, Ontario, Canada


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    Time: 11:26:38 AM PST US
    From: charles cook <cookflys@yahoo.com>
    Subject: passenger brakes
    I would like to add brakes to the passenger side of my Kitfox II. My exisit ng brakes are matco -5.- Does anyone have any pedals or cylinders they wa nt to sell? Charles Cook Model ll Atlanta=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 11:29:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lights
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    Harry means LED lights, and yes the LED lights made for airplanes are way more expensive than they need to be. I will also be looking for a better cheaper source for the LED lights for my Kitfox. They dont have to be aircraft LED's, an LED is an LED and will last for 50,000 hours or more while consuming only 10 % of the power of a traditional light... As long as I can mount the LED's to the airplane in a nice way I will be happy. Rick, What is Code 3 ??? Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3425#203425


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    Time: 12:32:49 PM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Lights
    Harry, Kitplanes in the Aeroelectrics column just finished a series on LED nav lights. It is quite comprensive including a schematic for a regulated power supply. I am planning on building up a set from his plans. I ordered the parts and they come to about $50 for a set of three - red, white, green. The LEDs themselves are LedEngin Hi-Power LE modules and should be mounted with a heat sink as they get warm.. Two modules are used at each point for FAA mandated coverage. For the strobes, I am using a strob module with power supply that was mentioned on the list: http://www.creativair.com/genii-white-strobe-light-p-111.html I also plan on mounting the nav lights internally in the wing tips. The strobes? I won't know until they come so I can see what they look like. Lowell There are definitely options out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Cieslar" <hcieslar@cabletv.on.ca> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Lights > > Anyone have used auto LD lights for direction and strobes for homebuilt or > any info an cheaper set than certified systems which are several hundred $ > up. Thanks > Harry Cieslar Avid Magnum Builder, Ontario, Canada > > >


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    Time: 03:12:11 PM PST US
    From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Lights
    Rick=2C Can you keep us informed on LED suppliers as you find them? As you stayted =2C aircraft LED's are rediculeously expensive. Do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2CIL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights> From: orcabonita@hotmail.c om> Date: Tue=2C 9 Sep 2008 11:29:08 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Harry means LED lights=2C and yes the LED lights made for airplanes are wa y more expensive than they need to be. I will also be looking for a better cheaper source for the LED lights for my Kitfox. They dont have to be aircr aft LED's=2C an LED is an LED and will last for 50=2C000 hours or more whil e consuming only 10 % of the power of a traditional light... As long as I c an mount the LED's to the airplane in a nice way I will be happy.> > > Rick =2C> > What is Code 3 ???> > Mike> > --------> &quot=3BNO FEAR&quot=3B - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!> > Kolb MK-I II Xtra=2C 912-S> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.mat ========================> > >


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    Time: 04:20:36 PM PST US
    From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
    Subject: anchor nuts
    for what it'sworth..... i got my stash of #3 flathead machine screws and nuts from mcmaster-carr and they work very slick to mount an anchor nut instead of a 3/32 rivit. a number 40 drill and a 13/64 drill ground to an 85 deg tip. i may use this method on some that will get frequent use. then again squeezing old anchor nuts with vicegrips to get the locking action back sounds good too. bob noffs


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    Time: 04:24:09 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Lights
    You may also try a simple voltage divider circuit.... Most NOT ALL LEDs will light on around 2V and a couple of milliamps of current. Convenient size red and green LEDs can be salvaged from old Christmas lamps... look for an old store display that=92s being turfed out. vd.jpgThis diagram should work for 12V... you may want to play with the values of the resistors a bit. The calculations I made using the 400/80 combination was just for one LED. Two LEDs will probably be around a 200/40 combination. =BC W resistors should suffice. You can even add a white LED for the tail. Current draw should be horrendous.... less than 0.03 Amp per light. Continuous burn (not switched) it will flatten your battery in about three years. (1- LED) The two resistors in the circuit produce what is known as a voltage divider circuit and should produce close to 2V for the LEDs. If that=92s too complicated you can always run the LEDs directly off a replaceable penlight battery without the resistor circuit. Just wire the LEDs in parallel. A great place to use all those old half used camera batteries. One thing not mentioned about the coloured LEDs is, they only emit a single wavelength of light so if you combine the light of a red, green and blue LEDs you can make a nice cockpit flashlight that will not cause your pupils to close down as regular flashlights do. Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lights Harry, Kitplanes in the Aeroelectrics column just finished a series on LED nav lights. It is quite comprensive including a schematic for a regulated power supply. I am planning on building up a set from his plans. I ordered the parts and they come to about $50 for a set of three - red, white, green. The LEDs themselves are LedEngin Hi-Power LE modules and should be mounted with a heat sink as they get warm.. Two modules are used at each point for FAA mandated coverage. For the strobes, I am using a strob module with power supply that was mentioned on the list: http://www.creativair.com/genii-white-strobe-light-p-111.html I also plan on mounting the nav lights internally in the wing tips. The strobes? I won't know until they come so I can see what they look like. Lowell There are definitely options out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Cieslar" <hcieslar@cabletv.on.ca> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Lights <hcieslar@cabletv.on.ca> > > Anyone have used auto LD lights for direction and strobes for homebuilt or > any info an cheaper set than certified systems which are several hundred $ > up. Thanks > Harry Cieslar Avid Magnum Builder, Ontario, Canada > > > >


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    Time: 04:48:03 PM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Lights
    Rick, "A LED is a LED" is not entirely true unless you are not too interested in high light output. High intensity LEDS are a pretty new and exciting development. There are LED products on the market now that weren't available a year ago. Keep in mind that they are amperage sensitive so output will vary with voltage shifts as we put the 12 or 14+ volts through them depending on battery condition or charge voltage - hence the requirement for a regulated power supply. It's not like buying a couple of fifty cent LEDs and putting a resister in the circuit to keep from flrying them, unless all you need are low light output panel indicators. The Lancair guy, I helped in the build, is in the forefront of LED powered fluorescent tube replacement technology here. It won't be long before all interior lighting is LED based and the incandescent bulbs, fluorescent tubes and twisted bulbs will be in museum displays for our grandkids to look at and laugh. These units won't be full of the LEDs available at Radio Shack. Again, go to Kitplanes and read the three articles on this subject ending with the October issue. The Modules recommended in this article are available from Mouser for $9 to $11 a pop depending on color. It is interesting that the current requirement varies with color and the power supplies are slightly different to provide for that. Also keep in mind that these are collision avoidance items and light output is an important consideration. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights > > Harry means LED lights, and yes the LED lights made for airplanes are way > more expensive than they need to be. I will also be looking for a better > cheaper source for the LED lights for my Kitfox. They dont have to be > aircraft LED's, an LED is an LED and will last for 50,000 hours or more > while consuming only 10 % of the power of a traditional light... As long > as I can mount the LED's to the airplane in a nice way I will be happy. > > > Rick, > > What is Code 3 ??? > > Mike > > -------- > &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3425#203425 > > >


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    Time: 05:55:30 PM PST US
    From: Harry Cieslar <hcieslar@cabletv.on.ca>
    Subject: LED lLights
    Thanks everyone who replied. Great info. Will need to do some research and experimenting. I the meantime I will put wiring into the wing so I can close them. Harry Cieslar, Avid Magnum Builder, ON, CA


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    Time: 06:53:43 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Lights
    Spot on Lowell! That's why I recommended getting the LEDs from a scrapped Christmas displays. LEDs do give off different colours depending on the doping of the semiconductor and as you well pointed out because of the different doping the current draw will vary. White and blue are actually sort of fluorescent lights in their own right as the colour is given off by the fluorescing of UV light given off by the junction. That makes those LEDs slightly more expensive. I have found by using white LEDs year round (on my deck) that after a year or so the white ones degrade and eventually fade out completely no doubt because of UV light from the sun. I also have red and green LEDs in my lamp posts at the end of the driveway ( red right return same as navigation ) they have been lit 24/7 except for power outages for three years now. I decided to check them the other day and they are the same as new. Yes they are red and green strings (30) of Christmas indoor/outdoor lights. The Christmas lights are usually wired in strings of 30 wired in series so the voltage drop across each LED is 110/30 = 3.6V... The really beautiful thing about them is they give off almost no heat so that puts their efficiency way up through the roof. The other nice thing is they are turned off for more than 50% of the time. As diodes they only allow forward current to flow when the threshold voltage is achieved, that only occurs for less than 50% of the AC cycle. You make very valid points on the high output LEDs but most of the red and green units are not of that type... they are however just as bright as most of the incandescent nav lights. High power lights are generally the lighter colours, white and blue are examples but as you mentioned new ones are being designed and built every day. I noticed the other day that even the traffic lights that are now being swapped to LED are much brighter when you are facing them but off to the side it is hard to tell if the light is on or not in open shade. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights Rick, "A LED is a LED" is not entirely true unless you are not too interested in high light output. High intensity LEDS are a pretty new and exciting development. There are LED products on the market now that weren't available a year ago. Keep in mind that they are amperage sensitive so output will vary with voltage shifts as we put the 12 or 14+ volts through them depending on battery condition or charge voltage - hence the requirement for a regulated power supply. It's not like buying a couple of fifty cent LEDs and putting a resister in the circuit to keep from flrying them, unless all you need are low light output panel indicators. The Lancair guy, I helped in the build, is in the forefront of LED powered fluorescent tube replacement technology here. It won't be long before all interior lighting is LED based and the incandescent bulbs, fluorescent tubes and twisted bulbs will be in museum displays for our grandkids to look at and laugh. These units won't be full of the LEDs available at Radio Shack. Again, go to Kitplanes and read the three articles on this subject ending with the October issue. The Modules recommended in this article are available from Mouser for $9 to $11 a pop depending on color. It is interesting that the current requirement varies with color and the power supplies are slightly different to provide for that. Also keep in mind that these are collision avoidance items and light output is an important consideration. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights > > Harry means LED lights, and yes the LED lights made for airplanes are way > more expensive than they need to be. I will also be looking for a better > cheaper source for the LED lights for my Kitfox. They dont have to be > aircraft LED's, an LED is an LED and will last for 50,000 hours or more > while consuming only 10 % of the power of a traditional light... As long > as I can mount the LED's to the airplane in a nice way I will be happy. > > > Rick, > > What is Code 3 ??? > > Mike > > -------- > &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3425#203425 > > >


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    Time: 07:02:28 PM PST US
    From: "Rick Frederick" <rick@5mike3.com>
    Subject: Re: Lights
    This may have been mentioned before, or may not even apply... About 2 years ago I worked with a project that required high intensity lighting, for this application we used a philips device called 'luxeon emitters'. If anyone is interested here is the website: http://www.lumileds.com/products/line.cfm?lineId=18 Rick, Kitfox IV / 912ul / 50% do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights > > Rick, > > "A LED is a LED" is not entirely true unless you are not too interested in > high light output. High intensity LEDS are a pretty new and exciting > development. There are LED products on the market now that weren't > available a year ago. Keep in mind that they are amperage sensitive so > output will vary with voltage shifts as we put the 12 or 14+ volts > through them depending on battery condition or charge voltage - hence the > requirement for a regulated power supply. It's not like buying a couple > of fifty cent LEDs and putting a resister in the circuit to keep from > flrying them, unless all you need are low light output panel indicators. > The Lancair guy, I helped in the build, is in the forefront of LED powered > fluorescent tube replacement technology here. It won't be long before all > interior lighting is LED based and the incandescent bulbs, fluorescent > tubes and twisted bulbs will be in museum displays for our grandkids to > look at and laugh. These units won't be full of the LEDs available at > Radio Shack. Again, go to Kitplanes and read the three articles on this > subject ending with the October issue. The Modules recommended in this > article are available from Mouser for $9 to $11 a pop depending on color. > It is interesting that the current requirement varies with color and the > power supplies are slightly different to provide for that. > > Also keep in mind that these are collision avoidance items and light > output is an important consideration. > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:29 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights > > >> >> Harry means LED lights, and yes the LED lights made for airplanes are way >> more expensive than they need to be. I will also be looking for a better >> cheaper source for the LED lights for my Kitfox. They dont have to be >> aircraft LED's, an LED is an LED and will last for 50,000 hours or more >> while consuming only 10 % of the power of a traditional light... As >> long as I can mount the LED's to the airplane in a nice way I will be >> happy. >> >> >> Rick, >> >> What is Code 3 ??? >> >> Mike >> >> -------- >> &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you >> could have !!! >> >> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3425#203425 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 08:00:01 PM PST US
    From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Lights
    Noel=2C Wow! after sorting thru reams of gas and alcohol minusha=2C I get a n excellent definition of LED differences. Thanks Noel. Keep up the good wo rk. I will look at the LED Christmas lights this year. Do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL> From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> S ubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights> Date: Tue=2C 9 Sep 2008 23:22:58 -0230 > Spot on Lowell! > > That's why I recommended getting the LEDs from a scr apped Christmas> displays. LEDs do give off different colours depending on the doping of the> semiconductor and as you well pointed out because of the different doping> the current draw will vary. White and blue are actually sort of fluorescent> lights in their own right as the colour is given off b y the fluorescing of> UV light given off by the junction. That makes those LEDs slightly more> expensive. I have found by using white LEDs year round (on my deck) that> after a year or so the white ones degrade and eventually fade out completely> no doubt because of UV light from the sun. I also hav e red and green LEDs> in my lamp posts at the end of the driveway ( red rig ht return same as> navigation ) they have been lit 24/7 except for power ou tages for three> years now. I decided to check them the other day and they are the same as> new. Yes they are red and green strings (30) of Christmas indoor/outdoor> lights.> > The Christmas lights are usually wired in string s of 30 wired in series so> the voltage drop across each LED is 110/30 = 3.6V... The really beautiful> thing about them is they give off almost no h eat so that puts their> efficiency way up through the roof. The other nice thing is they are turned> off for more than 50% of the time. As diodes they only allow forward> current to flow when the threshold voltage is achieved =2C that only occurs for> less than 50% of the AC cycle.> > You make very v alid points on the high output LEDs but most of the red and> green units ar e not of that type... they are however just as bright as most> of the incan descent nav lights. High power lights are generally the lighter> colours=2C white and blue are examples but as you mentioned new ones are being> desig ned and built every day. > > I noticed the other day that even the traffic lights that are now being> swapped to LED are much brighter when you are fa cing them but off to the> side it is hard to tell if the light is on or not in open shade.> > Noel> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-l ist-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] O n Behalf Of Lowell Fitt> Sent: Tuesday=2C September 09=2C 2008 9:14 PM> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights> > --> Kit fox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>> > Rick=2C > > "A LED is a LED" is not entirely true unless you are not too interested in > high light output. High intensity LEDS are a pretty new and exciting > development. There are LED products on the market now that weren't > avai lable a year ago. Keep in mind that they are amperage sensitive so > output will vary with voltage shifts as we put the 12 or 14+ volts through > them depending on battery condition or charge voltage - hence the > requirement for a regulated power supply. It's not like buying a couple > of fifty cen t LEDs and putting a resister in the circuit to keep from > flrying them=2C unless all you need are low light output panel indicators. > The Lancair g uy=2C I helped in the build=2C is in the forefront of LED powered > fluores cent tube replacement technology here. It won't be long before all > interi or lighting is LED based and the incandescent bulbs=2C fluorescent tubes> > and twisted bulbs will be in museum displays for our grandkids to look at > and laugh. These units won't be full of the LEDs available at Radio Shack . > Again=2C go to Kitplanes and read the three articles on this subject en ding > with the October issue. The Modules recommended in this article are > available from Mouser for $9 to $11 a pop depending on color. It is > int eresting that the current requirement varies with color and the power > sup plies are slightly different to provide for that.> > Also keep in mind that these are collision avoidance items and light output > is an important con sideration.> > Lowell> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JetPilot" <o rcabonita@hotmail.com>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>> Sent: Tuesday=2C S eptember 09=2C 2008 11:29 AM> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights> > > > --> K itfox-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>> >> > Har ry means LED lights=2C and yes the LED lights made for airplanes are way > > more expensive than they need to be. I will also be looking for a better > > cheaper source for the LED lights for my Kitfox. They dont have to be > > aircraft LED's=2C an LED is an LED and will last for 50=2C000 hours or m ore > > while consuming only 10 % of the power of a traditional light... As long> > > as I can mount the LED's to the airplane in a nice way I will be happy.> >> >> > Rick=2C> >> > What is Code 3 ???> >> > Mike> >> > -------- > > &quot=3BNO FEAR&quot=3B - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > > could have !!!> >> > Kolb MK-III Xtra=2C 912-S> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p > > >


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    Time: 08:05:00 PM PST US
    From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Lights
    Lowell=2C Thanks for the info. I'm tired of meaningless alcohol gas trivia and I need to learn about LED's. Do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL> From: lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights> Date: Tue=2C 9 Sep 2008 16:44:28 -070 >> > Rick=2C> > "A LED is a LED" is not entirely true unless you are not to o interested in > high light output. High intensity LEDS are a pretty new a nd exciting > development. There are LED products on the market now that we ren't > available a year ago. Keep in mind that they are amperage sensitive so > output will vary with voltage shifts as we put the 12 or 14+ volts th rough > them depending on battery condition or charge voltage - hence the > requirement for a regulated power supply. It's not like buying a couple > of fifty cent LEDs and putting a resister in the circuit to keep from > flr ying them=2C unless all you need are low light output panel indicators. > T he Lancair guy=2C I helped in the build=2C is in the forefront of LED power ed > fluorescent tube replacement technology here. It won't be long before all > interior lighting is LED based and the incandescent bulbs=2C fluoresc ent tubes > and twisted bulbs will be in museum displays for our grandkids to look at > and laugh. These units won't be full of the LEDs available at Radio Shack. > Again=2C go to Kitplanes and read the three articles on this subject ending > with the October issue. The Modules recommended in this a rticle are > available from Mouser for $9 to $11 a pop depending on color. It is > interesting that the current requirement varies with color and the power > supplies are slightly different to provide for that.> > Also keep i n mind that these are collision avoidance items and light output > is an im portant consideration.> > Lowell> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J etPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>> Sent: T uesday=2C September 09=2C 2008 11:29 AM> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights> >> >> > Harry means LED lights=2C and yes the LED lights made for airplanes are way > > more expensive than they need to be. I will also be looking fo r a better > > cheaper source for the LED lights for my Kitfox. They dont h ave to be > > aircraft LED's=2C an LED is an LED and will last for 50=2C000 hours or more > > while consuming only 10 % of the power of a traditional light... As long > > as I can mount the LED's to the airplane in a nice way I will be happy.> >> >> > Rick=2C> >> > What is Code 3 ???> >> > Mike> >> > --------> > &quot=3BNO FEAR&quot=3B - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > > could have !!!> >> > Kolb MK-III Xtra=2C 912-S> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewto ==> > >


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    Time: 11:39:41 PM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: Lights
    > From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca] > I also have red and green LEDs > in my lamp posts at the end of the driveway ( red right return same as > navigation ) Ah, but then you use the IALA system B, my friend! If I ever drive to your home, I would be confused, accustomed to the European system A that has red on red and green on green when sailing TOWARD a harbour! :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 .... flying as PAX Do not archive <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>




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