---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/12/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:14 AM - Re: Lights (FlyboyTR) 2. 08:07 AM - Re: Jabiru (n85ae) 3. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru (fox5flyer) 4. 10:51 AM - Re: Jabiru (n85ae) 5. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru (Dacha) 6. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 7. 12:34 PM - Re: Jabiru (Rich L) 8. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru (fox5flyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:53 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights From: "FlyboyTR" I agree with Deke! ...Excellent builders site. I have the Whelen System on my Vixen as well. I would also be interested in seeing some more detail on how you built your LED system. Travis :) -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop ADI-II Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3932#203932 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:07 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru From: "n85ae" Hmm ... Well I love my IO-240B, it cost a few pennies, and it did fail once ... Otherwise it's a great engine. I like Jabiru's and Rotax as well. They are nice engines. When I was in the Navy I worked on Allison T-56's (5000 hp turboprops) on Grumman E-2C's. They cost even more money, and still they failed occasionally. Not to mention we measured fuel quantity in the thousands of lb.s rather than gallons. However the only engine I feel is ultimately reliable is the 5hp Briggs and Stratton on my lawn mower. I leave it out in the rain, summer, winter, spring and fall. I never change the oil (I do add oil occasionally) After all these years, even with visible stuff sloshing about in the bottom of the gas tank it still fires up first pull and never misses a beat. Plus it's still running on the original spark plug. :) I bought the entire mover from Home Depot for less than $100 and consider it disposable, but still it will not die. Jeff. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3962#203962 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:13 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru Jeff scrawled... > > However the only engine I feel is ultimately reliable is the 5hp Briggs > and > Stratton on my lawn mower. I leave it out in the rain, summer, winter, > spring and fall. I never change the oil (I do add oil occasionally) After > all > these years, even with visible stuff sloshing about in the bottom of the > gas tank it still fires up first pull and never misses a beat. Plus it's > still running on the original spark plug. :) I bought the entire mover > from > Home Depot for less than $100 and consider it disposable, but still it > will > not die. > > Jeff. Excellent points Jeff. You're absolutely right. My Skidoo snowmobile is the same. I beat it to death in the winter and park it in the spring with whatever gas is left in it. I don't pour in any additives. The following winter it starts right up. I add gas and oil, grease it and go. This is after nearly 20 years! Sometimes I wonder if perhaps we mess with these engines too much. Sort of like killing them with kindness. Deke Oh, did I say it has a Rotax 503 in it? Skidoo calls it a 500, but same engine. It's no wonder Rotax chose it for use in aircraft. Very rugged. do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:16 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru From: "n85ae" I wasn't really trying to make any point with my comment, just reflecting on how I treat the mower and it always runs. I think you might have a point though, which is that sometimes our tinkering with stuff actually is what really causes more problems than anything else. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3990#203990 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:40 AM PST US From: "Dacha" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru Jeff, Famous last words: If it aint broke don't fix it. LeRoy ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:09 AM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru Hi Deke=2C It sounds like your snomachine gets the same treatment as mine. Mine is a 1992 Artic Cat 440 and I mostly just use it to drag a snow drag on my strip in the winter so I can land with skis without rutting it up. When it's running=2C it's getting a workout. As far as I know=2C the engi ne has never been apart=2C and I got it a long time ago. I have started d raining the gas in the spring though=2C it goes right into the tractor. I h ave kindof neglected the grease though. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building=2C Av id MK IV flying=2C Mn> From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> To: kitfox-list@matr onics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru> Date: Fri=2C 12 Sep 2008 1 idealwifi.net>> > Jeff scrawled...> >> > However the only engine I feel is ultimately reliable is the 5hp Briggs > > and> > Stratton on my lawn mower. I leave it out in the rain=2C summer=2C winter=2C> > spring and fall. I ne ver change the oil (I do add oil occasionally) After > > all> > these years =2C even with visible stuff sloshing about in the bottom of the> > gas tank it still fires up first pull and never misses a beat. Plus it's> > still r unning on the original spark plug. :) I bought the entire mover > > from> > Home Depot for less than $100 and consider it disposable=2C but still it > > will> > not die.> >> > Jeff.> > Excellent points Jeff. You're absolutely right. My Skidoo snowmobile is > the same. I beat it to death in the winte r and park it in the spring with > whatever gas is left in it. I don't pour in any additives. The following > winter it starts right up. I add gas and oil=2C grease it and go. This is > after nearly 20 years!> Sometimes I won der if perhaps we mess with these engines too much. Sort of > like killing them with kindness.> Deke> Oh=2C did I say it has a Rotax 503 in it? Skidoo calls it a 500=2C but same > engine. It's no wonder Rotax chose it for use ========================> _ ======================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows Live. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:03 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru From: "Rich L" Darin, Thanks for the info on the engines. I have passed it along to a lot of people who are always asking about the "differences". I also have a Kitfox-7 taildragger with the 912S and no airbox so it is somewhat less than 100hp with a powerfin 70" 3-bladed prop. I finished it one year ago and have 215 hours on it. I don't have the strut fairings either for the same reason as you. I have taken it into many back country airstrips here in Idaho and it performs like a Supercub and just as much fun. I had to learn the Rotax as I installed it and have really gotten to love the engine. I don't know about the other engines but I would choose this one again, (unless someone offered me a 914.) Your plane sounds like an awsome combo. Good work...... Rich North Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4008#204008 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:04 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru I've heard several times that the most dangerous time to fly an airplane is right after an annual. Deke do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "n85ae" Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru > > I wasn't really trying to make any point with my comment, just reflecting > on how I treat the mower and it always runs. I think you might have a > point > though, which is that sometimes our tinkering with stuff actually is what > really causes more problems than anything else. > > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3990#203990 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.