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1. 05:49 AM - Re: multiple postings (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 06:04 AM - Model 4 wing rigging (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: setting flaperon hanger bracket questions (on Kitfox 4) (Lynn Matteson)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: Model 4 wing rigging (Tom Jones)
5. 08:20 AM - Re: multiple postings (Noel Loveys)
6. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Dacron life (Noel Loveys)
7. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (Noel Loveys)
8. 09:02 AM - Re: Dacron life (Michel Verheughe)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: Model 4 wing rigging (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
10. 09:36 AM - Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (JetPilot)
11. 09:47 AM - Re: Dacron life (JetPilot)
12. 09:53 AM - Re: malware in e-mail (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
13. 10:16 AM - Re: Wiring and panel questions (Noel Loveys)
14. 10:31 AM - Inspiration.... (darinh)
15. 10:35 AM - Re: Inspiration.... (SkySteve)
16. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (fox5flyer)
17. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: Model 4 wing rigging (Lynn Matteson)
18. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: Dacron life (Noel Loveys)
19. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (Noel Loveys)
20. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (Lynn Matteson)
21. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (Lynn Matteson)
22. 11:10 AM - Re: Inspiration.... (darinh)
23. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (fox5flyer)
24. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
25. 12:07 PM - Re: Inspiration.... (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
26. 12:09 PM - Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (JetPilot)
27. 12:25 PM - Re: Inspiration.... (darinh)
28. 12:28 PM - Re: Inspiration.... (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
29. 12:30 PM - Re: Inspiration.... (JetPilot)
30. 12:37 PM - Re: 100 LL in Briggs and Stratton (way off topic) (n85ae)
31. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (Dave)
32. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (fox5flyer)
33. 12:59 PM - Re: multiple postings (Dwight Purdy)
34. 01:09 PM - Re: Inspiration.... (Lynn Matteson)
35. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (Lynn Matteson)
36. 02:31 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/12/08 (Ed Gray)
37. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
38. 04:19 PM - Re: Inspiration.... (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
39. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
40. 04:33 PM - propellers (bob noffs)
41. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (fox5flyer)
42. 04:46 PM - Re: Inspiration.... (Dee Young)
43. 05:41 PM - Looking for Kitfox Webpages !!! (JetPilot)
44. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (Lynn Matteson)
45. 06:51 PM - Re: multiple postings (patrick reilly)
46. 07:07 PM - Fw: Re: gsc three blade prop (jerry evans)
47. 07:08 PM - Re: multiple postings (jerry evans)
48. 07:18 PM - Re: Inspiration.... (darinh)
49. 08:19 PM - Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (rudderdancer)
50. 08:31 PM - Re: 100 LL in Briggs and Stratton (way off topic) (rudderdancer)
51. 10:08 PM - Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (JetPilot)
52. 10:46 PM - Re: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (william Mills)
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| Subject: | Re: multiple postings |
I too on occasion get multiple postings and will get 1/2 of all messages in
nothing but x's and o's
Dick Maddux
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| Subject: | Model 4 wing rigging |
Ever since I bought my airplane last year I have noticed it sits on the
ground with the left wing quite low as compared to the right. I had thought it
to
be a weak bungee on that side or possible gear alignment.
Yesterday I measured and it is not the fuselage that is crooked it is the
wing dihedral.
I looked throughout my plans and can find nothing on aircraft assembly or
wing rigging.
Today I will run a string across the top of the wing behind the leading edge
to see how far I am off by measuring each wing at the root.
The aircraft will fly hands off when wind conditions allow but siting on the
ramp "one wing low" is starting to bug me. It is easily a foot or lower than
the other wing.
Anyone have any instructions on properly setting the wing? I know I had
instructions on how to do it for my Piper Pacer in the manual I used to have but
I sure can"t find it in the Kitfox books
Thanks !
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: setting flaperon hanger bracket questions (on Kitfox |
4)
I learned right on this list that that dimension isn't all that
critical...only that all hinge brackets are the same dimension. I
found out like you did that that area is going to get real tight
after covering. I cheated on the dimension a bit...can't recall how
much right now, and it all came out just fine.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane;
waiting for new ignition system
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Sep 14, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> Hi all. Well things are moveing along on my project, not to far
> from being ready to cover. I am finishing up the last things on
> the wings and am now trying to temporairly mount the flaperon
> hanger brackets. In the manual it says to drill the holes before
> covering to keep the debris out of the finished wing. On page W-
> D-5 of the Sept 24 92 manual edition it shows a picture of how far
> back to mount the bracket. 0.194 from the trailing edge of the
> wing to the front of the upper bolt that holds the flaperon hinge
> to the brackets. I made a tool to gauge that dimention (see
> picture) and that forces the brackets up the wing to the point
> that they start to spread open. (see picture) If it is too tight
> now what will it be like after the layers of fabric and finishing
> tape are in place? How critical is that 0.194 dimention or will
> it make any real difference if the flaperon is somewhat farther
> back so that one isn't bending the brackets to get them to close up
> on the bottom of the rib? If you bend/distort them very much then
> the hole spaceing will change and the flaperon hinges wont fit.
> When I rivited the brackets togeather I used one of the hinges to
> space the holes the right distence apart as I drilled the rivet
> hole. Hopefully I was able to put my question on paper in a way
> that makes sence. Thanks Jim Chuk Kiffox 4 building Mn
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 wing rigging |
Dick, if you did find the wing rigging instructions in your manual you would go
nuts following them and chasing the rigging. A service letter came out after
I had already gone nuts with the manual instructions. Here it is
http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/support/service_letters/sl25b.htm
It is fairly easy to do before the wings are covered but I think you can use these
instructions to get the idea on how to check the dihedral to compare your
wings to each other with the covering on.
A smart level will make comparing the wings with each other real easy but you will
need to use a bubble level to check against factory specs.
Once the bottom attach hole and strut attach bracket holes are drilled in the spar
only minor wing rigging adjustments can be made.
The wings will fly level even if the dihedral is different between wings. The
fuselage will just be hanging at an angle under the wings.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | multiple postings |
I wouldn't worry about a virus by just reading an E-Mail.../ Viruses live in
the attachments or on websites you go to through links
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: multiple postings
Got 4 or 5 of this one Guy.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Guy Buchanan <mailto:bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: multiple postings
At 07:56 AM 9/14/2008, you wrote:
Is anyone else having this problem? I am getting sometimes up to nine of the
same postings. This has been going on for about a week. Only from the kitfox
list. I have recently started using Outlook Express. Each posting has a
different time on the received tab.
I haven't seen anything either. Are you still getting them?
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref
"http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Several certified aircraft require their coverings to be tested around every
five years with the recommendation to replace skins after 15 yr. That was
the recommendation with Egyptian cotton. Newer Dacron cloths do deteriorate
with UV light. However on most planes they are finished with UV blocker and
I have seen twenty year old jobs that look perfect. The sails used on most
UL are not finished and do not have the UV blocker. I think the
recommendation with those is to replace then every five years... every
second year if the plane is left outside.
If you have unfinished Dacron, it's the same stuff as Ceconite, then I would
get someone who has flown that material for several years to have a look at
it.
As for the 45 deg N., remember that the ozone levels are thinnest at the
poles, make that circles, (arctic) and you're more than halfway there. Our
summer days are also a lot longer so a plane left out is actually subjected
to a lot more UV than one in, say Florida.
Michel's sails don't often get to any altitude where UV light levels are
higher and worst case scenario he would just put up another sail or heave to
and sew the one he was using.... You can't do that at 1000 ft. J
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Dacron life
> From: James Shumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
> Unprotected dacron will deteriorate very quickly.
Well ... if Dacron is Dacron and the same as what we use to make sails, it
looks quite resistant to me. I've had sails for at least 20 years. What goes
first are the seams, though. It looks like the thread used to sew them is
less UV resistant.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as a PAX.
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
If the prop, torqued on to spec, changes pitch in operation than either the
hub or the blade roots are damaged... Either way this can result in a blade
departure. A blade departure can sure put a big dent in your day. The
excessive vibrations caused by a blade departure have been known to rip the
engine from the plane putting the Balance part of W&B out the window...
There is no recovery. Several guys have put a cable around their engines to
keep them in approximately the right position in the event of a departure.
You may want to consider doing this if you intend to continue flying on a
potentially dangerous prop.
I'd take that prop and mount it in my den. Then get something else to fly
on.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nick4853
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:07 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight
Be careful I believe this prop has been Known to separate in flight creating
a severe out of balance situation which could tear the engine off its mount
which would then lead to a severe aft cg issue. I think GSC recommends a 5
year 500 hour TBO. There should be a gap between hub halves the lack of gap
could indicate an over torque situation which could mean the prop roots are
crushed. When I bought my model IV it had the 68" GSC 3 blade from 1994 and
there was no gap at the hub I decided to replace the whole assembly with a
Warp drive 70" taper tip that did not have the limitations the GSC had.
Hope this helps if nothing else encourages you to investigate the gsc more.
Nick W.
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kitfox !V-1200
Rotax 912ul
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> From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca]
> Michel's sails don't often get to any altitude where UV light levels are
> higher
Hum, that's right, Noel. My mast is high but not that high! :-)
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 wing rigging |
a couple of thoughts. Check the inflation on the tires:-)
Level the frame left right and longitudinally.
Check dihedral of each wing. If you can't locate a smart level try a Craftsman
needle level resting on a bubble level across the ribs at the front spar location
and the same distance outboard on each wing.
Some adjustment can be made to the strut rod ends without tweaking the jury struts,
but replacing them would be relatively inexpensive if necessary.
I adjusted the strut rod ends several times over the first year to get hands off
straight and level. The turn coordinator/dihedral etc are not independent.....
John Kerr
Classic IV, 912ul, 778 hours
Logan UT
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From: Catz631@aol.com
Ever since I bought my airplane last year I have noticed it sits on the ground
with the left wing quite low as compared to the right. I had thought it to be
a weak bungee on that side or possible gear alignment.
Yesterday I measured and it is not the fuselage that is crooked it is the wing
dihedral.
I looked throughout my plans and can find nothing on aircraft assembly or wing
rigging.
Today I will run a string across the top of the wing behind the leading edge to
see how far I am off by measuring each wing at the root.
The aircraft will fly hands off when wind conditions allow but siting on the ramp
"one wing low" is starting to bug me. It is easily a foot or lower than the
other wing.
Anyone have any instructions on properly setting the wing? I know I had instructions
on how to do it for my Piper Pacer in the manual I used to have but I
sure can"t find it in the Kitfox books
Thanks !
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
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<DIV>a couple of thoughts. Check the inflation on the tires:-)</DIV>
<DIV>Level the frame left right and longitudinally.</DIV>
<DIV>Check dihedral of each wing. If you can't locate a smart level try a
Craftsman needle level resting on a bubble level across the ribs at the front
spar location and the same distance outboard on each wing. </DIV>
<DIV>Some adjustment can be made to the strut rod ends without tweaking the jury
struts, but replacing them would be relatively inexpensive if necessary.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I adjusted the strut rod ends several times over the first year to get
hands off straight and level. The turn coordinator/dihedral etc are not
independent.....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
<DIV>Classic IV, 912ul, 778 hours</DIV>
<DIV>Logan UT</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>Ever since I bought my airplane last year I have noticed it sits on the ground
with the left wing quite low as compared to the right. I had thought it to
be a weak bungee on that side or possible gear alignment.</DIV>
<DIV> Yesterday I measured and it is not the fuselage that is crooked it is
the wing dihedral. </DIV>
<DIV> I looked throughout my plans and can find nothing on aircraft assembly
or wing rigging.</DIV>
<DIV> Today I will run a string across the top of the wing behind the leading
edge to see how far I am off by measuring each wing at the root.</DIV>
<DIV> The aircraft will fly hands off when wind conditions allow but siting
on the ramp "one wing low" is starting to bug me. It is easily a foot or
lower than the other wing.</DIV>
<DIV> Anyone have any instructions on properly setting the wing? I know I
had instructions on how to do it for my Piper Pacer in the manual I used
to have but I sure can"t find it in the Kitfox books </DIV>
<DIV>
Thanks
!</DIV>
<DIV>
Dick
Maddux</DIV>
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Fox
4-1200</DIV>
<DIV>
Pensacola,Fl</DIV><BR><BR><BR>
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
Your best solution to this problem would be to get a Warp Drive, Powerfin, or other
composite propeller . GSC props have bad history of losing entire blades
resulting in crashes. I did a lot of research on this subject, the cases are
well documented on the net. In the end I chose to buy a Warp drive prop. I'm
sure there will be some guys out there that will be offended by me pointing
out the bad history of their favorite props, but this is the reality and well
documented. Good and accurate advice is far more important that trying to make
everyone happy all the time. I will be happy to start a thread post a bunch
links to the GSC prop problems if need be...
As everyone here says, the loss of a prop blade is very likely fatal. The engine
is ripped off the airplane in a fraction of a second ( Don't think you will
have time to shut it off, its not humanly possible ), and the airplane is left
uncontrollable due to the extreme tail heavy condition ( Down elevator wont
be enough to keep it flying ). Do yourself a favor, spend whatever it takes to
fix or replace your prop.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Unprotected Dacron wing coverings go bad very quickly in sunlight... You can put
a clear UV protectant on them that will help, but its effectiveness is limited
and they will still go bad very quickly if left outside. The reason these
slip on coverings are used is ease of installation. Many " Ultralight " guys
are intimidated by covering... I was at first, did not want any part of it
!! I have learned a lot since then :)
Unprotected Poly Fiber will lose 85 % of its strength in ONE YEAR according to
the company. When covering your airplane, make sure you do a good job with the
UV blocking coats, or you will have the pleasure of recovering your plane again
very quickly [Wink]
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | RE: malware in e-mail |
On Mon, September 15, 2008 8:20 am, Noel Loveys wrote:
> I wouldn't worry about a virus by just reading an E-Mail.../ Viruses live in
> the attachments or on websites you go to through links
> Noel
For the most part that is true. However, when the e-mail is composed with SHTML,
XML,
HTML or a mix such as the one you posted it contains links that are automatically
executed. An example that you commonly see is embedded photos in e-mails - those
display commonly depending on both the mail server (MTA) that delivers the mail
and
your mail reader. If someone is running for example a Windows XP system and using
Office Outlook or Outlook Express as a mail client and neither have been upgraded
through Service Pack 2, then embedded links with ACtive Server Pages (ASP) execture
automatically. These can deliver a malware payload containing worms, virii or spyware
bots. ESpecially vulnerable are those people that haven't kept up with security
updates. I used to be very adamant about running mail lists that contain no html
content and this is one of the reasons.
If you keep current with security updates which are free from MS, you're in good
shape.
<http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/>
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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| Subject: | Wiring and panel questions |
My PTT was just wired by dropping the wire down inside the stick and then
under the floor and up the back of the fire wall. From there the wire with
a 1/8 in jack exits the panel next to where I clip the A24.
As for the gauges if you want to take advantage of the panel options you
will have to install senders in the tamks.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jlfernan
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 11:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wiring and panel questions
I'm just thinking ahead, but how are people running the wiring for the PTT
thru the their sticks? And for those using "glass" panels, I've noticed most
MFD's have fuel level indicators. Since the Kitfox has sight tubes, what do
you do about the guages on the MFD, just run with them indicating empty?
--------
Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Fuselage/Forward Controls
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Here is some inspiration for you guys that are still slaving away in the shop.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
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| Subject: | Re: Inspiration.... |
Hey, Darin,
She looks great! Where were you? Salt Flats?
John Oakley and I plan to go to Wings & Wheels in Wendover next Sat (9/20/2008).
Wanna go? A flight of three Kitfoxes?
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Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 134 - 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
Mike, I know of only one blade departure on a GSC prop, but there may be
others. It was a person right here on this list. The closeup photos of it
indicated that it had a lot of wood rot inside the hub supposedly from being
left outside for extended periods. I'm not defending GSC nor do I own one,
but to satisfy my curiosity I'd appreciate it if you would produce some of
those cases that are so well documented. I couldn't find much.
As I recall, IVO went through some very bad times and nearly closed the
doors after some of their props shed blades. There were lots of stories
being circulated and IVO took a real beating from the feeding frenzy that
was spawned on the web. Fortunately, they recovered and they are now doing
well, or at least they appear to.
Thanks,
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight
>
> Your best solution to this problem would be to get a Warp Drive, Powerfin,
> or other composite propeller . GSC props have bad history of losing
> entire blades resulting in crashes. I did a lot of research on this
> subject, the cases are well documented on the net. In the end I chose to
> buy a Warp drive prop. I'm sure there will be some guys out there that
> will be offended by me pointing out the bad history of their favorite
> props, but this is the reality and well documented. Good and accurate
> advice is far more important that trying to make everyone happy all the
> time. I will be happy to start a thread post a bunch links to the GSC
> prop problems if need be...
>
> As everyone here says, the loss of a prop blade is very likely fatal. The
> engine is ripped off the airplane in a fraction of a second ( Don't think
> you will have time to shut it off, its not humanly possible ), and the
> airplane is left uncontrollable due to the extreme tail heavy condition
> ( Down elevator wont be enough to keep it flying ). Do yourself a favor,
> spend whatever it takes to fix or replace your prop.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4392#204392
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 wing rigging |
Just for kicks the other day, I placed my Smart Level on top of a 4-
ft bubble level, and was amazed to see that a 1/10th of a degree can
easily be seen in the bubble placement within the lines of the
bubble level...2/10ths of a degree is way off.....I know, I know, I
need to get my plane back in the air and quit doing these things, but
an idle mind, etc, etc.....
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane;
waiting for new ignition system
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Sep 15, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Tom Jones wrote:
> A smart level will make comparing the wings with each other real
> easy but you will need to use a bubble level to check against
> factory specs.
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
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>
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>
>
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If you, like I, fly on floats it's a good idea to make sure your whole
airplane is treated with a good black out blocker.
Poly spray is a good one but for those experimenting with house paint,
black should work. Just don't leave the wings/ upper surfaces black because
they will heat up with the sun and cause the fabric to sag... not good
either on or off the ground. This is why all the planes with composite
wings generally have then white or off white colouration.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Dacron life
Unprotected Dacron wing coverings go bad very quickly in sunlight... You
can put a clear UV protectant on them that will help, but its effectiveness
is limited and they will still go bad very quickly if left outside. The
reason these slip on coverings are used is ease of installation. Many "
Ultralight " guys are intimidated by covering... I was at first, did not
want any part of it !! I have learned a lot since then :)
Unprotected Poly Fiber will lose 85 % of its strength in ONE YEAR according
to the company. When covering your airplane, make sure you do a good job
with the UV blocking coats, or you will have the pleasure of recovering your
plane again very quickly [Wink]
Mike
--------
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could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
I don't think the GSC props are that bad....BUT they do have a time expiry
on them and if there is any damage or issues with any prop give it the deep
six, put a clock in it or put two notches in it and call it an ashtray.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:06 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight
Your best solution to this problem would be to get a Warp Drive, Powerfin,
or other composite propeller . GSC props have bad history of losing entire
blades resulting in crashes. I did a lot of research on this subject, the
cases are well documented on the net. In the end I chose to buy a Warp
drive prop. I'm sure there will be some guys out there that will be
offended by me pointing out the bad history of their favorite props, but
this is the reality and well documented. Good and accurate advice is far
more important that trying to make everyone happy all the time. I will be
happy to start a thread post a bunch links to the GSC prop problems if need
be...
As everyone here says, the loss of a prop blade is very likely fatal. The
engine is ripped off the airplane in a fraction of a second ( Don't think
you will have time to shut it off, its not humanly possible ), and the
airplane is left uncontrollable due to the extreme tail heavy condition (
Down elevator wont be enough to keep it flying ). Do yourself a favor,
spend whatever it takes to fix or replace your prop.
Mike
--------
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could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
Do yourself another favor and wrap a cable around the engine, through
the firewall, around the tubing, and connect the ends of the cable
together. I'm hoping that the loss of a prop blade will at least keep
the engine somewhat attached to the airframe and allow for a somewhat
balanced landing. If not, I've just spent less than $10 for some
piece of mind.
All this talk of losing prop blades makes me think that there is
something to be said for fixed pitch, one-piece props, even though
these can come undone under the right/wrong circumstances, too.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane;
waiting for new ignition system
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Sep 15, 2008, at 12:36 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> Your best solution to this problem would be to get a Warp Drive,
> Powerfin, or other composite propeller . GSC props have bad
> history of losing entire blades resulting in crashes. I did a lot
> of research on this subject, the cases are well documented on the
> net. In the end I chose to buy a Warp drive prop. I'm sure there
> will be some guys out there that will be offended by me pointing
> out the bad history of their favorite props, but this is the
> reality and well documented. Good and accurate advice is far more
> important that trying to make everyone happy all the time. I will
> be happy to start a thread post a bunch links to the GSC prop
> problems if need be...
>
> As everyone here says, the loss of a prop blade is very likely
> fatal. The engine is ripped off the airplane in a fraction of a
> second ( Don't think you will have time to shut it off, its not
> humanly possible ), and the airplane is left uncontrollable due to
> the extreme tail heavy condition ( Down elevator wont be enough to
> keep it flying ). Do yourself a favor, spend whatever it takes to
> fix or replace your prop.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4392#204392
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
If Gary Algate sees this, tell 'em about your lost prop incident,
Gary...that was a hairy ride, I'll bet.
It might be that Deke is referring to Gary....eh, Deke?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane;
waiting for new ignition system
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Sep 15, 2008, at 1:40 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Mike, I know of only one blade departure on a GSC prop, but there
> may be others. It was a person right here on this list. The
> closeup photos of it indicated that it had a lot of wood rot inside
> the hub supposedly from being left outside for extended periods.
> I'm not defending GSC nor do I own one, but to satisfy my curiosity
> I'd appreciate it if you would produce some of those cases that are
> so well documented. I couldn't find much.
> As I recall, IVO went through some very bad times and nearly closed
> the doors after some of their props shed blades. There were lots
> of stories being circulated and IVO took a real beating from the
> feeding frenzy that was spawned on the web. Fortunately, they
> recovered and they are now doing well, or at least they appear to.
> Thanks,
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
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| Subject: | Re: Inspiration.... |
Steve,
That is just West of ATK. I would love to go but my limitation won't let me go
any farther west than Promontory Point until the 40 hrs are off.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
No, Gary was swinging an NSI CAP with Warp blades, not a GSC. See how
these things evolve? The Warp blade that departed stuck through his float
so he was able to land and recover it for inspection. Lots of damage, but
the engine remained attached by the various wiring and throttle cables, etc.
He's lucky to have survived.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight
>
> If Gary Algate sees this, tell 'em about your lost prop incident,
> Gary...that was a hairy ride, I'll bet.
>
> It might be that Deke is referring to Gary....eh, Deke?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; waiting
> for new ignition system
> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> do not archive
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2008, at 1:40 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>>
>> Mike, I know of only one blade departure on a GSC prop, but there may be
>> others. It was a person right here on this list. The closeup photos of
>> it indicated that it had a lot of wood rot inside the hub supposedly
>> from being left outside for extended periods. I'm not defending GSC nor
>> do I own one, but to satisfy my curiosity I'd appreciate it if you would
>> produce some of those cases that are so well documented. I couldn't
>> find much.
>> As I recall, IVO went through some very bad times and nearly closed the
>> doors after some of their props shed blades. There were lots of stories
>> being circulated and IVO took a real beating from the feeding frenzy
>> that was spawned on the web. Fortunately, they recovered and they are
>> now doing well, or at least they appear to.
>> Thanks,
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
>> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
>> progress."
>> - Joseph Joubert
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
On Mon, September 15, 2008 10:40 am, fox5flyer wrote:
>
> Mike, I know of only one blade departure on a GSC prop, but there may be
> others. It was a person right here on this list. The closeup photos of it
> indicated that it had a lot of wood rot inside the hub supposedly from being
> left outside for extended periods. I'm not defending GSC nor do I own one,
> but to satisfy my curiosity I'd appreciate it if you would produce some of
> those cases that are so well documented. I couldn't find much.
Here's one documented and some factory comments about maintenance.
<http://www.ultralightnews.com/safety_bulletins/gsc_servicebulletin.htm>
Here's another due to blade strike during flight. GSC states 500 Hour TBO and posts
a
link to the maintenance procedures.
<http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/propadvisory.htm>
Here's a 2006 posting from this list. Don't shim, buy new blades.
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86857&sid=336a7f8b7126385eb6eb3d9c86e2c280>
Here's a 1999 Service bulletin from GSC regarding 500 hour TBO
<http://www.auf.asn.au/airworthiness/gscactualsb.doc>
Here's another article on a GSC failure from this list
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67085>
Looks to me that finding a catastrophic failure that wasn't due to corrosion and
rot
is not easily found. Quite a few hearsay claims but actually none that I could
find.
Looks to me that what's consistent is:
1) exposure to water (rain) is something to be avoided due to corrosion and wood
rot,
both of which lead to progressive failure.
2) don't exceed the 100 in-lb torque
3) TBO is 500 Hrs
4) Great factory support including telephone support.
Seems like a sound company and product to me. You've got to observe the limitations
of
installation and usage. If you can't/won't then other options may be better suited
for
you.
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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| Subject: | Re: Inspiration.... |
On Mon, September 15, 2008 10:30 am, darinh wrote:
>
> Here is some inspiration for you guys that are still slaving away in the shop.
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf2604_large_536.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf2603_large_130.jpg
Looks like Bonneville Salt Flats. Any restrictions on landing there?
Good looking plane, nice workmanship is apparent.
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
I researched propeller blade separations because I have a Kiev Hot Prop that has
rave reviews for being quiet and efficient. The prop did run very nice, but
the lightness and thin diameter of the adapter always made me nervous. I
never did find any history of blade separations or hub failures on Kiev Hot props,
but I constantly came across GSC blade separations in my research.
When an airline maintenance inspector saw my prop and made made the comment that
the hub looked to " Lightly Built " to resist fatigue over time, I bit the bullet
and changed out the Kiev prop for a Warp drive.
The Cable around the engine is a great idea for the Kitfox I am building, it would
not help my Kolb much where the engine coming lose would probably cause the
prop to slice the tail boom right off [Shocked]
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Inspiration.... |
This isn't as far west as Bonneville Salt Flats. I am sure there are restrictions
in areas such as the Bear River Bird Refuge and other such places but we have
literally endless acres of this type of landscape that you can land on here
in Utah and Eastern Nevada.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Inspiration.... |
Darin, I love it.
John
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>
> Here is some inspiration for you guys that are still slaving away in the shop.
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Inspiration.... |
darinh wrote:
> Steve,
>
> That is just West of ATK. I would love to go but my limitation won't let me
go any farther west than Promontory Point until the 40 hrs are off.
There are 40 hours of daylight left between now and 9-20-2008, its doable [Wink]
Nice looking plane, the black on red is just awesome ! Looks like the perfect
area for testing too.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: 100 LL in Briggs and Stratton (way off topic) |
Geez, one of those most interesting topics in a long while, nobody's
getting flamed, technically oriented ... Plus if the lawn doesn't get
mowed, who's wife is gonna let them fly their Kitfox?
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
I know of a blade separation on a challenger, but the prop was out of date
AFAIK. GSC has been extremely cooperative for me on the phone, but I've
elected to use the warp.
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Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight
>
> Mike, I know of only one blade departure on a GSC prop, but there may be
> others. It was a person right here on this list. The closeup photos of
> it
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
Good research, Paul. The first link is the prop that belonged to one of our
list members, but I forgot who it was.
GSC makes no secret of the limitations place on their props. So long as
those limitations are followed and the prop has proper care and servicing, I
doubt there would ever be a problem.
Often a single failure, after making the rounds of the various forums and
list servers and the anecdotal data piles up, can evolve into the appearance
of the whole line of props are failure prone. Usually, this is not so, but
still causes enormous damage to the credibility of the company.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
>
> On Mon, September 15, 2008 10:40 am, fox5flyer wrote:
>>
>> Mike, I know of only one blade departure on a GSC prop, but there may be
>> others. It was a person right here on this list. The closeup photos of
>> it
>> indicated that it had a lot of wood rot inside the hub supposedly from
>> being
>> left outside for extended periods. I'm not defending GSC nor do I own
>> one,
>> but to satisfy my curiosity I'd appreciate it if you would produce some
>> of
>> those cases that are so well documented. I couldn't find much.
>
> Here's one documented and some factory comments about maintenance.
>
> <http://www.ultralightnews.com/safety_bulletins/gsc_servicebulletin.htm>
>
> Here's another due to blade strike during flight. GSC states 500 Hour TBO
> and posts a
> link to the maintenance procedures.
>
> <http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/propadvisory.htm>
>
> Here's a 2006 posting from this list. Don't shim, buy new blades.
>
> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86857&sid=336a7f8b7126385eb6eb3d9c86e2c280>
>
> Here's a 1999 Service bulletin from GSC regarding 500 hour TBO
>
> <http://www.auf.asn.au/airworthiness/gscactualsb.doc>
>
> Here's another article on a GSC failure from this list
>
> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67085>
>
> Looks to me that finding a catastrophic failure that wasn't due to
> corrosion and rot
> is not easily found. Quite a few hearsay claims but actually none that I
> could find.
> Looks to me that what's consistent is:
>
> 1) exposure to water (rain) is something to be avoided due to corrosion
> and wood rot,
> both of which lead to progressive failure.
>
> 2) don't exceed the 100 in-lb torque
>
> 3) TBO is 500 Hrs
>
> 4) Great factory support including telephone support.
>
> Seems like a sound company and product to me. You've got to observe the
> limitations of
> installation and usage. If you can't/won't then other options may be
> better suited for
> you.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz, P.E.
> PAF Consulting Engineers
> Office 425.440.9505
> Cell 425.241.1618
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>
>
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I was wondering if you did. Do not really know you but might of done it
myself.
Dwight Purdy
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: multiple postings
At 04:53 PM 9/14/2008, you wrote:
I just received five of yours
SORRY EVERYBODY! It was a joke. I sent multiple posts. Bad joke.
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I thought it looked a little too grey to be Bonneville. Both times I
drove to the Flats, it was nothing but white. And having flown over
there last year, returning from California via a stopover in
Wendover, it looked bleached white from the air too.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane;
waiting for new ignition system
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Sep 15, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
>
> On Mon, September 15, 2008 10:30 am, darinh wrote:
>>
>> Here is some inspiration for you guys that are still slaving away
>> in the shop.
>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf2604_large_536.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf2603_large_130.jpg
>
> Looks like Bonneville Salt Flats. Any restrictions on landing there?
>
> Good looking plane, nice workmanship is apparent.
>
>
> --
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> PAF Consulting Engineers
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It was his incident that prompted me to install a safety cable around
my engine. His Rotax was probably also contained by the coolant
hoses....having none of these, I opted to add the cable.
Damn, Deke, I'd better get to flying...your hours are starting to get
close. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; new
ignition system was sent out today
Flight possible this weekend...XX (fingers crossed)
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Sep 15, 2008, at 2:39 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> No, Gary was swinging an NSI CAP with Warp blades, not a GSC. See
> how these things evolve? The Warp blade that departed stuck
> through his float so he was able to land and recover it for
> inspection. Lots of damage, but the engine remained attached by
> the various wiring and throttle cables, etc.
> He's lucky to have survived.
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
>
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I really like the 5 hp Briggs&Stratton idea. Since I will need 8 of them,
I'm thinking of 4 nacelles, 2 on each wing, with 2 engines in each nacelle,
one tractor and one pusher like the old dornier flying boat. Anyone have
used mowers for sale? No more maintenance! PS What prop works best for
these babies?
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1. 02:14 AM - Re: Lights (FlyboyTR)
2. 08:07 AM - Re: Jabiru (n85ae)
3. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru (fox5flyer)
4. 10:51 AM - Re: Jabiru (n85ae)
5. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru (Dacha)
6. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
7. 12:34 PM - Re: Jabiru (Rich L)
8. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru (fox5flyer)
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Time: 02:14:53 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lights
From: "FlyboyTR" <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
I agree with Deke! ...Excellent builders site. I have the Whelen System on
my
Vixen as well. I would also be interested in seeing some more detail on how
you built your LED system.
Travis :)
--------
Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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Time: 08:07:07 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
Hmm ... Well I love my IO-240B, it cost a few pennies, and it
did fail once ... Otherwise it's a great engine. I like Jabiru's and
Rotax as well. They are nice engines.
When I was in the Navy I worked on Allison T-56's (5000 hp
turboprops) on Grumman E-2C's. They cost even more money, and still
they failed occasionally. Not to mention we measured fuel quantity in the
thousands of lb.s rather than gallons.
However the only engine I feel is ultimately reliable is the 5hp Briggs and
Stratton on my lawn mower. I leave it out in the rain, summer, winter,
spring and fall. I never change the oil (I do add oil occasionally) After
all
these years, even with visible stuff sloshing about in the bottom of the
gas tank it still fires up first pull and never misses a beat. Plus it's
still running on the original spark plug. :) I bought the entire mover from
Home Depot for less than $100 and consider it disposable, but still it will
not die.
Jeff.
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Time: 09:00:13 AM PST US
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru
Jeff scrawled...
>
> However the only engine I feel is ultimately reliable is the 5hp Briggs
> and
> Stratton on my lawn mower. I leave it out in the rain, summer, winter,
> spring and fall. I never change the oil (I do add oil occasionally) After
> all
> these years, even with visible stuff sloshing about in the bottom of the
> gas tank it still fires up first pull and never misses a beat. Plus it's
> still running on the original spark plug. :) I bought the entire mover
> from
> Home Depot for less than $100 and consider it disposable, but still it
> will
> not die.
>
> Jeff.
Excellent points Jeff. You're absolutely right. My Skidoo snowmobile is
the same. I beat it to death in the winter and park it in the spring with
whatever gas is left in it. I don't pour in any additives. The following
winter it starts right up. I add gas and oil, grease it and go. This is
after nearly 20 years!
Sometimes I wonder if perhaps we mess with these engines too much. Sort of
like killing them with kindness.
Deke
Oh, did I say it has a Rotax 503 in it? Skidoo calls it a 500, but same
engine. It's no wonder Rotax chose it for use in aircraft. Very rugged.
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
I wasn't really trying to make any point with my comment, just reflecting
on how I treat the mower and it always runs. I think you might have a point
though, which is that sometimes our tinkering with stuff actually is what
really causes more problems than anything else.
Jeff
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Time: 11:47:40 AM PST US
From: "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru
Jeff,
Famous last words: If it aint broke don't fix it.
LeRoy
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Time: 11:54:09 AM PST US
From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk <thesupe@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru
Hi Deke=2C It sounds like your snomachine gets the same treatment as mine.
Mine is a 1992 Artic Cat 440 and I mostly just use it to drag a snow drag
on my strip in the winter so I can land with skis without rutting it up.
When it's running=2C it's getting a workout. As far as I know=2C the engi
ne has never been apart=2C and I got it a long time ago. I have started d
raining the gas in the spring though=2C it goes right into the tractor. I h
ave kindof neglected the grease though. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building=2C Av
id MK IV flying=2C Mn> From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> To: kitfox-list@matr
onics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru> Date: Fri=2C 12 Sep 2008 1
idealwifi.net>> > Jeff scrawled...> >> > However the only engine I feel is
ultimately reliable is the 5hp Briggs > > and> > Stratton on my lawn mower.
I leave it out in the rain=2C summer=2C winter=2C> > spring and fall. I ne
ver change the oil (I do add oil occasionally) After > > all> > these years
=2C even with visible stuff sloshing about in the bottom of the> > gas tank
it still fires up first pull and never misses a beat. Plus it's> > still r
unning on the original spark plug. :) I bought the entire mover > > from> >
Home Depot for less than $100 and consider it disposable=2C but still it >
> will> > not die.> >> > Jeff.> > Excellent points Jeff. You're absolutely
right. My Skidoo snowmobile is > the same. I beat it to death in the winte
r and park it in the spring with > whatever gas is left in it. I don't pour
in any additives. The following > winter it starts right up. I add gas and
oil=2C grease it and go. This is > after nearly 20 years!> Sometimes I won
der if perhaps we mess with these engines too much. Sort of > like killing
them with kindness.> Deke> Oh=2C did I say it has a Rotax 503 in it? Skidoo
calls it a 500=2C but same > engine. It's no wonder Rotax chose it for use
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Time: 12:34:03 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru
From: "Rich L" <kitfox812@gmail.com>
Darin,
Thanks for the info on the engines. I have passed it along to a lot of
people
who are always asking about the "differences".
I also have a Kitfox-7 taildragger with the 912S and no airbox so it is
somewhat
less than 100hp with a powerfin 70" 3-bladed prop. I finished it one year
ago
and have 215 hours on it. I don't have the strut fairings either for the
same
reason as you. I have taken it into many back country airstrips here in
Idaho
and it performs like a Supercub and just as much fun. I had to learn the
Rotax as I installed it and have really gotten to love the engine. I don't
know
about the other engines but I would choose this one again, (unless someone
offered me a 914.) Your plane sounds like an awsome combo. Good work......
Rich
North Idaho
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Time: 12:34:04 PM PST US
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru
I've heard several times that the most dangerous time to fly an airplane is
right after an annual.
Deke
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From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:50 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Jabiru
>
> I wasn't really trying to make any point with my comment, just reflecting
> on how I treat the mower and it always runs. I think you might have a
> point
> though, which is that sometimes our tinkering with stuff actually is what
> really causes more problems than anything else.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3990#203990
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
I believe that Murle Williams (Award winning Kitfox builder and
distributor of aircraft products) refuses to sell a GSC prop due to
"departure" issues.
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Your best solution to this problem would be to get a Warp Drive, Powerfin,
or other composite propeller . GSC props have bad history of losing
entire blades resulting in crashes. I did a lot of research on this
subject, the cases are well documented on the net. In the end I chose to
buy a Warp drive prop. I'm sure there will be some guys out there that
will be offended by me pointing out the bad history of their favorite
props, but this is the reality and well documented. Good and accurate
advice is far more important that trying to make everyone happy all the
time. I will be happy to start a thread post a bunch links to the GSC
prop problems if need be...
As everyone here says, the loss of a prop blade is very likely fatal. The
engine is ripped off the airplane in a fraction of a second ( Don't think
you will have time to shut it off, its not humanly possible ), and the
airplane is left uncontrollable due to the extreme tail heavy condition (
Down elevator wont be enough to keep it flying ). Do yourself a favor,
spend whatever it takes to fix or replace your prop.
Mike
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could have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Inspiration.... |
Nice Photos - amazing I have almost identical photo of mine on a large
frozen lake bed!
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Classic 4 jab2200
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Here is some inspiration for you guys that are still slaving away in the
shop.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
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I never lost a prop Lynn! - I lost a leading edge protection strip on a
GSC prop and the vibration from that caused a forced landing but there
must be another Gary out there!
Gary
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If Gary Algate sees this, tell 'em about your lost prop incident,
Gary...that was a hairy ride, I'll bet.
It might be that Deke is referring to Gary....eh, Deke?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane;
waiting for new ignition system
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Sep 15, 2008, at 1:40 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Mike, I know of only one blade departure on a GSC prop, but there
> may be others. It was a person right here on this list. The
> closeup photos of it indicated that it had a lot of wood rot inside
> the hub supposedly from being left outside for extended periods.
> I'm not defending GSC nor do I own one, but to satisfy my curiosity
> I'd appreciate it if you would produce some of those cases that are
> so well documented. I couldn't find much.
> As I recall, IVO went through some very bad times and nearly closed
> the doors after some of their props shed blades. There were lots
> of stories being circulated and IVO took a real beating from the
> feeding frenzy that was spawned on the web. Fortunately, they
> recovered and they are now doing well, or at least they appear to.
> Thanks,
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
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hi all, about 5 yrs ago i bought a 3 blade warp for my jab 3300. it is a
66.5inch taper tip. it has never been flown. since i bought it i have
heard a lot about what may not be good for a jab and i think the
composite warp falls into this category [i think. everyone is so vague
about this i am not sure]. to err on the safe side i think i will sell
it for a jab approved prop. if anyone has any interest please let me
know. or if anyone can let me know for sure it is safe that would be
better yet. i know of one jab flying 5 yrs. with a 3 blade warp.
bob noffs
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Gary Walsh, perhaps?
Deke
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Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight
I never lost a prop Lynn! - I lost a leading edge protection strip on
a GSC prop and the vibration from that caused a forced landing but there
must be another Gary out there!
Gary
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If Gary Algate sees this, tell 'em about your lost prop incident,
Gary...that was a hairy ride, I'll bet.
It might be that Deke is referring to Gary....eh, Deke?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane;
waiting for new ignition system
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Sep 15, 2008, at 1:40 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Mike, I know of only one blade departure on a GSC prop, but there
> may be others. It was a person right here on this list. The
> closeup photos of it indicated that it had a lot of wood rot inside
> the hub supposedly from being left outside for extended periods.
> I'm not defending GSC nor do I own one, but to satisfy my curiosity
> I'd appreciate it if you would produce some of those cases that are
> so well documented. I couldn't find much.
> As I recall, IVO went through some very bad times and nearly closed
> the doors after some of their props shed blades. There were lots
> of stories being circulated and IVO took a real beating from the
> feeding frenzy that was spawned on the web. Fortunately, they
> recovered and they are now doing well, or at least they appear to.
> Thanks,
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
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Looks dang good Darin. Thanks
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From: darinh<mailto:gerns25@netscape.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:30 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Inspiration....
<gerns25@netscape.net<mailto:gerns25@netscape.net>>
Here is some inspiration for you guys that are still slaving away in
the shop.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Looking for Kitfox Webpages !!! |
I am looking for Kitfox websites ! In the LED thread, there was a guy in Colorado
that has a great web page up with hints, tips, and suggestions for building
a Kitfox.
http://www.itsys3.com/kitfox/index.shtml
Does anyone know of any other web pages for Kitfoxes ?
PS Some web pages with pictures and videos would be cool also :)
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
Oops! Maybe it WAS Gary Walsh....Decision Labs sticks in my mind (or
something like that)....he had a prop blade come off, stick in his
float, and he made it back to land it and live to tell about
it...quite a story.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; new
ignition system was sent out today
Flight possible this weekend...XX (fingers crossed)
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Sep 15, 2008, at 7:20 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> I never lost a prop Lynn! - I lost a leading edge protection strip
> on a GSC prop and the vibration from that caused a forced landing
> but there must be another Gary out there!
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 jab 2200
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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> Re: Kitfox-List: Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight
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>
> If Gary Algate sees this, tell 'em about your lost prop incident,
> Gary...that was a hairy ride, I'll bet.
>
> It might be that Deke is referring to Gary....eh, Deke?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane;
> waiting for new ignition system
> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> do not archive
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2008, at 1:40 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
> > <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> >
> > Mike, I know of only one blade departure on a GSC prop, but there
> > may be others. It was a person right here on this list. The
> > closeup photos of it indicated that it had a lot of wood rot inside
> > the hub supposedly from being left outside for extended periods.
> > I'm not defending GSC nor do I own one, but to satisfy my curiosity
> > I'd appreciate it if you would produce some of those cases that are
> > so well documented. I couldn't find much.
> > As I recall, IVO went through some very bad times and nearly closed
> > the doors after some of their props shed blades. There were lots
> > of stories being circulated and IVO took a real beating from the
> > feeding frenzy that was spawned on the web. Fortunately, they
> > recovered and they are now doing well, or at least they appear to.
> > Thanks,
> > Deke Morisse
> > Mikado Michigan
> > S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
> > "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> > progress."
> > - Joseph Joubert
> >
>
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| Subject: | multiple postings |
Guy=2C Are you trying to get relieved from the moderator position or are yo
u just getting senile?
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Pat Reilly
nn@nethere.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: multiple postingsAt 04:53 PM 9/14/2
008=2C you wrote:
I just received five of yoursSORRY EVERYBODY! It was a joke. I sent multipl
e posts. Bad joke.
Guy Buchanan=2C Kitfox List ModeratorSan Diego=2C CAK-IV 1200 / 582-C / War
p / 100% done=2C thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.DO NOT ARCHIVE.
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| Subject: | Fw: RE: gsc three blade prop |
This is what GSC sent me what do you guys think ?
Jerry Evans
KitfoxII
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
--- On Mon, 9/15/08, GSC Systems (2004) Ltd. <info@ultralightprops.com> wro
te:
From: GSC Systems (2004) Ltd. <info@ultralightprops.com>
Subject: RE: gsc three blade prop
Jerry,
-
If you have always torqued bolts to no more than 100 in/lbs, then you could
mill down approximately 5-6 thou. from the hub faces to regain the gap.-
It would not be advisable to wrap the blade roots with any material.
-
Thank you,
-
Rick Peter
GSC Systems [2004] Ltd.
#8 - 2440B - 14th Avenue,
Vernon, BC, V1T 8C1
250-549-3772
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From: jerry evans [mailto:kitfox555@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: September 13, 2008 1:27 PM
Subject: gsc three blade prop
I have a 582 rotax and have about 20 hrs on it,-it started to vibrate so
I checked the pitch and one blade keeps moving after each flight I have alw
ays torqued it to 100IN but it seems that the gap is very small if any,What
can I do , put the half on a- lath to mill down a small amount or- wra
p the blades with something to get back some gap between the half's is ther
e any thing I can do to stop the blades from changing pitch in flight?- T
hey are wood three blade GSC- Please help me out of this problem- Thank
s- Jerry
Jerry Evans
KitfoxII
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
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| Subject: | multiple postings |
Guy , ha ha ha
Jerry Evans
KitfoxII
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
--- On Mon, 9/15/08, patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: multiple postings
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Guy, Are you trying to get relieved from the moderator position or are you
just getting senile?
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Pat Reilly
From: bnn@nethere.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: multiple postings
At 04:53 PM 9/14/2008, you wrote:
I just received five of yours
SORRY EVERYBODY! It was a joke. I sent multiple posts. Bad joke.
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Inspiration.... |
Thanks for the comments guys...I am pretty happy with the way it turned out. Just
after this picture, I decided to see what it would do in a sustained climb
to altitude. I took off and climbed to 10.5...I have a picture of my Dynon indicating
650'/min, DA 11,440, IAS of 72 mph and TAS of 86 mph. MAP was 30" and
rpm was 5000. I am not exactly sure what Vx is yet but suspect it is down
in the mid to upper 50's and Vy is probably low 60's so I could have pushed it
a bit more.
I don't think my waste gate is working exactly as it should though because according
to Rotax, I should be able to push 34+ MAP up to 16k. I don't think I would
have got much more than 31 or 32 on Saturday if I would have gone WOT and
that was at the DA listed above. I need to double check the waste gate servo
again.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
Years ago I read of a blade departure followed by an engine departure on something
like a Cub or Pacer. The pilot reacted by instantly putting the nose straight
down to keep airspeed over the tail. He kept his decent angle steep and
his airspeed up until he was as close a he possible could get to an open field.
Then leveled off just feet off the ground for a forced landing. It was in
a flying publication and was supposedly true. Just in case, I'll put in that
cable around the engine like the air-racers do.
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J. Henry Hall
Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
rusty pilot.
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| Subject: | Re: 100 LL in Briggs and Stratton (way off topic) |
OK Guy, here's one. Does anyone remember the article in Homebuilt Aircraft of
the fellow who built a one-of design and powered it with a pair of Briggs & Stratton's,
side shaft engines? It flew. I could probably dig it up and scan a
picture. I wonder how a tri-motor Kitfox would do?
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J. Henry Hall
Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
rusty pilot.
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
That is nothing short of Amazing piloting skills. I would like to think that
I would be able to correctly analyze the problem, and come up with correct solution
and react in a split second like that guy did, but if I were a betting
man, I would not put much money on it [Wink]
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
Here's an NTSB report of a midair in 2004 where a C-170 had its engine
knocked off by a C-210 at 3500 feet. The C-170 pilot landed it.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 040526X00672&ntsbno=SEA04FA083A&akey=1
Bill
Chinook/912 in progress KLVK
still lurking on my favorite list these nine years
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:19 PM, rudderdancer <jhenryhall@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Years ago I read of a blade departure followed by an engine departure on
> something like a Cub or Pacer. The pilot reacted by instantly putting the
> nose straight down to keep airspeed over the tail. He kept his decent angle
> steep and his airspeed up until he was as close a he possible could get to
> an open field. Then leveled off just feet off the ground for a forced
> landing. It was in a flying publication and was supposedly true. Just in
> case, I'll put in that cable around the engine like the air-racers do.
>
> --------
> J. Henry Hall
> Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
> rusty pilot.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4504#204504
>
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