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1. 06:28 AM - Trim tab and flaps (Bob Brennan)
2. 07:21 AM - Re: Trim tab and flaps (Lowell Fitt)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Lynn's Ignition (Lynn Matteson)
4. 09:07 AM - KF 92DR flys again (akflyer)
5. 11:04 AM - Re: KF 92DR flys again (Jose M. Toro)
6. 11:31 AM - Re: KF 92DR flys again (Lynn Matteson)
7. 11:40 AM - Re: KF 92DR flys again (akflyer)
8. 11:41 AM - Re: KF 92DR flys again (akflyer)
9. 11:45 AM - Matco WHLB5 brakes (yodaone)
10. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: KF 92DR flys again (Jose M. Toro)
11. 12:35 PM - Re: KF 92DR flys again (akflyer)
12. 01:15 PM - Uneven fuel flow (n85ae)
13. 01:43 PM - Re: KF 92DR flys again (Bob Brennan)
14. 04:18 PM - Kitfox Logo file (Paul Morel)
15. 04:36 PM - Re: Kitfox Logo file (Bob Brennan)
16. 04:42 PM - Re: Kitfox Logo file (Paul Morel)
17. 04:49 PM - Re: Kitfox Logo file (Lynn Matteson)
18. 04:50 PM - Re: Kitfox Logo file (Bob Brennan)
19. 04:55 PM - Re: KF 92DR flys again (akflyer)
20. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: KF 92DR flys again (Bob Brennan)
21. 05:43 PM - Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight (Perkins, Mike)
22. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: KF 92DR flys again (Dwight Purdy)
23. 05:51 PM - Re: Kitfox Logo file (jdmcbean)
24. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: KF 92DR flys again (Bob Brennan)
25. 07:48 PM - Re: Kitfox Logo file (Paul Morel)
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| Subject: | Trim tab and flaps |
I've seen a lot of discussions on this list about using the flaperons for
trim and the pros and cons of using "flaps"; and most don't seem to apply to
my UK built Model 2. My original training was in the world of spam cans,
Pipers mostly, so I thought nothing of my Kitfox's standard trim and flap
controls - a continuously variable trim "wheel" and 3 notches for flaps.
On reviewing build documents I found dozens of PFA (UK version of EAA)
modifications to the original kit and it seems like the UK Kitfoxes are
built to a very different standard than the original Denney US kit.
Anyway - I have attached pics of my trim tab and trim & flap "console" -
does anyone else have a similar setup? I use mine all the time and wouldn't
want to be without it!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab and flaps |
Bob,
Sort of like deja Vu all over again. When I built my first IV, I needed a
trim tab as that was what I was used to as well. I opted for the Speedster
elevator. I like your mod and it seems like a neat set-up. Mine will be
similar, but electric like the original with a switch on the top of the
stick. I think that lots of the low cruise speeds on the early Kitfoxes are
due in large part to the use of flaps for trim - lots of drag.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 6:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Trim tab and flaps
> I've seen a lot of discussions on this list about using the flaperons for
> trim and the pros and cons of using "flaps"; and most don't seem to apply
> to
> my UK built Model 2. My original training was in the world of spam cans,
> Pipers mostly, so I thought nothing of my Kitfox's standard trim and flap
> controls - a continuously variable trim "wheel" and 3 notches for flaps.
>
> On reviewing build documents I found dozens of PFA (UK version of EAA)
> modifications to the original kit and it seems like the UK Kitfoxes are
> built to a very different standard than the original Denney US kit.
>
> Anyway - I have attached pics of my trim tab and trim & flap "console" -
> does anyone else have a similar setup? I use mine all the time and
> wouldn't
> want to be without it!
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's Ignition |
Gary and Jose-
I'm in the process of installing the Electroair Direct Fire Ignition
System (www.electroair.net/) as we speak (so to speak)....it's a
really impressive system, with very professional-looking harnesses,
attachments, terminals, spark plug wires, etc. Because this is a
prototype for the Jabiru using a crankshaft trigger wheel, I'm having
to make my own brackets to mount the two magnetic pickups. Ordinarily
on a Jabiru, they would supply a magneto timing housing (MTH) to
replace one of the distributors, and the installation would be a lot
simpler. Because I wanted to eliminate altogether the distributors,
caps and rotors, as well as the shafts and gears that drive the dist
shafts, I asked them to design a system that would use their
crankshaft trigger wheel and utilize two magnetic pickups instead of
their normal one, as used on other engines. This will involve me
making the brackets, positioning the two pickups a certain distance
apart, and then attaching them onto my home made brackets, the job
will take a little longer. Based on my success with the building,
they will design a bracket that they will build and then market as
part of an alternate way to go with the Jabiru ignition kit.
No, Jose, I haven't written much (yet) about this system on the
jabiruengines, Yahoo list, because I really just got into installing
it. I'll post over there and on the Matronics Jabiru engines list
when I know more.
Right now I'm making a mounting plate for the in-cabin controllers,
and I need to go get a larger hole saw for lightening holes. Next
will come the mounting brackets for the coils, which will get mounted
onto the firewall. Then I'll go after the pickup-mounting brackets. I
started with the Kitfox-mounted stuff first, because those were the
hardest to access...I decided to remove my glare shield to enable
easier access to the back of the instrument panel (for my system, 4
new breakers will be installed), and after the airplane-mounted stuff
is installed I'll start on the Jabiru engine-related stuff. I'll keep
track of my time and report back to them so they can have some idea
of whether or not this system takes more time than their other,
already-in-the-field-and-proven ignition kits.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; new
ignition system received today...WOW!
Flight possible this weekend...XX (fingers crossed)
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Sep 16, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
> Lynn:
>
> What ignition system are you going to be using? If you wrote about
> it on the jabiruengines list, I missed it.
>
> Jose
>
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> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:29:52 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lynn's Ignition
>
>
> Good Luck Lynn - Hope all goes well and make sure you update us on
> the success of the replacement ignition system
>
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> regards
>
> Gary
>
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> SMC, Exploration
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| Subject: | KF 92DR flys again |
well after a year long re-build, KF 92DR took to the sky's once again on 9-12-08.
First flight was uneventful and she flew very nice. Second flight got hairy
when I lost the left brake on roll out.... good thing it was raining and the
runway was wet or it could have been ugly. As it was I ended up doing a ground
loop at about 10 MPH.
The plane is owed by a buddy and he did the re-build, I just got the honors of
doing the "maiden". Nice job Bob, Now get busy on the Model III !
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: KF 92DR flys again |
Leonard:=0A=0AThat landing gear looks wider and higher than the original.
- Is it that the one sold by Airdale?- By the way, the plane looks grea
t!=0A=0AJose=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: akflyer <akflye
r_2000@yahoo.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, Septem
ber 17, 2008 12:07:20 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: KF 92DR flys again=0A=0A--
ll after a year long re-build, KF 92DR took to the sky's once again on 9-12
-08.- First flight was uneventful and she flew very nice.- Second fligh
t got hairy when I lost the left brake on roll out.... good thing it was ra
ining and the runway was wet or it could have been ugly.- As it was I end
ed up doing a ground loop at about 10 MPH.=0A=0AThe plane is owed by a budd
y and he did the re-build, I just got the honors of doing the "maiden".-
Nice job Bob, Now get busy on the Model III !=0A=0A--------=0ADO NOT ARCHIV
E=0ALeonard Perry=0ASoldotna AK=0AAvid "C" / Mk IV =0A582 IVO IFA
=0AFull Lotus 1260=0A95% complete=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here
:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4784#204784=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: KF 92DR flys again |
Ahhhh, "doing the maiden"......mmmmmm.........
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; new
ignition system received...WOW!
one bracket built, maybe 3 to go
Flight possible this weekend...XX (fingers crossed)
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
do not archive
On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:07 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> well after a year long re-build, KF 92DR took to the sky's once
> again on 9-12-08. First flight was uneventful and she flew very
> nice. Second flight got hairy when I lost the left brake on roll
> out.... good thing it was raining and the runway was wet or it
> could have been ugly. As it was I ended up doing a ground loop at
> about 10 MPH.
>
> The plane is owed by a buddy and he did the re-build, I just got
> the honors of doing the "maiden". Nice job Bob, Now get busy on
> the Model III !
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4784#204784
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/
> kf_92_dr_first_flight_after_re_build_681.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: KF 92DR flys again |
jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Leonard:
>
> That landing gear looks wider and higher than the original. Is it that the
one sold by Airdale? By the way, the plane looks great!
>
> Jose
>
>
> ---
Yes that is the wide gear from Airdale.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: KF 92DR flys again |
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> Ahhhh, "doing the maiden"......mmmmmm.........
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; new
> ignition system received...WOW!
> one bracket built, maybe 3 to go
> Flight possible this weekend...XX (fingers crossed)
> Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
> Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
> do not archive
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:07 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > well after a year long re-build, KF 92DR took to the sky's once
> > again on 9-12-08. First flight was uneventful and she flew very
> > nice. Second flight got hairy when I lost the left brake on roll
> > out.... good thing it was raining and the runway was wet or it
> > could have been ugly. As it was I ended up doing a ground loop at
> > about 10 MPH.
> >
> > The plane is owed by a buddy and he did the re-build, I just got
> > the honors of doing the "maiden". Nice job Bob, Now get busy on
> > the Model III !
> >
> > --------
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > Leonard Perry
> > Soldotna AK
> > Avid "C" / Mk IV
> > 582 IVO IFA
> > Full Lotus 1260
> > 95% complete
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4784#204784
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/
> > kf_92_dr_first_flight_after_re_build_681.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
I have pics of that too but I think Guy would ban me if I posted them... lol.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4810#204810
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| Subject: | Matco WHLB5 brakes |
I have the old Matco WHLB5 brakes which never worked very well on an 8 inch wheel
that was made by kitfox. Brakes where leaking and Matco suggested changing
the O-rings (2-222 O-ring), which solved the leak.
They also suggested changing the brake line to 1/8 inch OD brake line for better
braking.
I replaced the brake line to 1/8 inch OD and have noticed a noticeable difference
in braking. I would say a 30% increase.
Below is from Matco:
It is a matter of brake pressure. The brake is rated at 450 psi. If you are not
getting 450 psi to the caliper, you are not getting the rated torque. The issue
is usually one of pedal geometry. The early KitFox had two issues. The geometry
was low (we recommend at least 2.5 to 1 mechanical advantage). The second
is having the master cylinder connect above the pivot point of the toe brake.
The result of this is that the mechanical advantage gets worse as the cylinder
is stroked. This type of geometry can be made to work as long as the mechanical
advantage starts out higher so that it is still at 2.5 to 1 when the cylinder
is in the loaded position. The early Kitfox, Avid, and Lancairs all had this
type of geometry.
There is a SKIDS Technical Comic on our website that talks about pedal geometry and has links to more detail including a discussion of mechanical advantage with drawings. The comic is at http://www.carttonic.com/files/file_download.php?fi_id=39363
The best way to know for sure is to measure the pressure at the brake with a pressure
gauge. You will likely find that you are not getting more than 300 psi
or so. It is the equivalent of taking off at 60 percent throttle on the engine.
The brake will give more torque above 450 psi but it is less linear above that
value. The nylon lines should be fine as long as they have a 450 psi working
pressure and at least a 1500 psi burst. Since you also have an issue with the
amount of volume used (your pedal geometry worsens with stroke and you will
have less stroke with less volume) you may find that smaller diameter lines are
helpful. We have recently begun using 1/8 inch OD line for our hand master cylinders
as they are low volume systems. It is beneficial for that case. We have
also found it easier to bleed a 1/8 line free of air.
--------
1991 Kitfox IV 1050LB
Rotax 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: KF 92DR flys again |
Leonard:=0A=0AHow-the handling-compares with the standard landing gear?
=0A=0AJose=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: akflyer <akflyer_
2000@yahoo.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, Septembe
r 17, 2008 2:40:10 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: KF 92DR flys again=0A=0A-
=0Ajose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com wrote:=0A> Leonard:=0A>- =0A>- That landing
gear looks wider and higher than the original.- Is it that the one sold
by Airdale?- By the way, the plane looks great!=0A>- =0A>- Jose=0A>
=0A>- =0A>- ---=0A=0A=0AYes that is the wide gear from Airdale.=0A=0A--
------=0ADO NOT ARCHIVE=0ALeonard Perry=0ASoldotna AK=0AAvid "C"
/ Mk IV =0A582 IVO IFA=0AFull Lotus 1260=0A95% complete=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead
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| Subject: | Re: KF 92DR flys again |
jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Leonard:
>
> How the handling compares with the standard landing gear?
>
> Jose
>
>
> ---
Night and day difference! the wide gear is MUCH better, and with it being taller,
you can get in the air quicker and land slower.
Kitfox is coming out with a wider and taller gear that has PA-18 looks to it.
No more bungies from what I saw. I would be very tempted to get that gear if
I had not allready bought the wide gear for mine from Airdale.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Uneven fuel flow |
Here's a very interesting post on the Zenith list about uneven fuel flow
that seems relevant to Kitfox's as well.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=48650
Jeff
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| Subject: | KF 92DR flys again |
Leonard - yet another groundloop due to left brake fading...
See my recent thread titled "Give me a brake!"
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47744. I just received the
rebuild kit from Matco for $8.88 to fix mine.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: 17 September 2008 12:07 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF 92DR flys again
well after a year long re-build, KF 92DR took to the sky's once again on
9-12-08. First flight was uneventful and she flew very nice. Second flight
got hairy when I lost the left brake on roll out.... good thing it was
raining and the runway was wet or it could have been ugly. As it was I
ended up doing a ground loop at about 10 MPH.
The plane is owed by a buddy and he did the re-build, I just got the honors
of doing the "maiden". Nice job Bob, Now get busy on the Model III !
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4784#204784
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/kf_92_dr_first_flight_after_re_build_681.
jpg
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| Subject: | Kitfox Logo file |
Hi
Does anyone have a hi-res .jpg or .gif Kitfox Logo? I'd like to make a
decal for my panel.
do not archive
Paul Morel
Model IV Speedster
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| Subject: | Kitfox Logo file |
Paul,
I just received decals that I ordered online a few days ago, they are the
stylized Kitfox name in black lettering and are 5x12 inches. The company
also has the fox logo in color and so do I on the tail of my KF2.
I could photograph either decal or send you the link to the supplier, let me
know if that helps.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morel
Sent: 17 September 2008 7:19 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Logo file
Hi
Does anyone have a hi-res .jpg or .gif Kitfox Logo? I'd like to make a
decal for my panel.
do not archive
Paul Morel
Model IV Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Logo file |
Hi Bob
It would be great if you could send me the link of the supplier for the
logo.
Thanks
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Brennan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Logo file
Paul,
I just received decals that I ordered online a few days ago, they are
the stylized Kitfox name in black lettering and are 5x12 inches. The
company also has the fox logo in color and so do I on the tail of my
KF2.
I could photograph either decal or send you the link to the supplier,
let me know if that helps.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morel
Sent: 17 September 2008 7:19 pm
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Logo file
Hi
Does anyone have a hi-res .jpg or .gif Kitfox Logo? I'd like to make
a decal for my panel.
do not archive
Paul Morel
Model IV Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Logo file |
Maybe John McBean (www.kitfoxaircraft.com) already has these decals,
ready to purchase and apply....just a thought...why reinvent the wheel?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane; new
ignition system received...WOW!
one bracket built, maybe 3 to go
Flight possible this weekend...XX (fingers crossed)
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
On Sep 17, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
> Paul,
>
> I just received decals that I ordered online a few days ago, they
> are the stylized Kitfox name in black lettering and are 5x12
> inches. The company also has the fox logo in color and so do I on
> the tail of my KF2.
>
> I could photograph either decal or send you the link to the
> supplier, let me know if that helps.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
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> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Logo file
>
> Hi
> Does anyone have a hi-res .jpg or .gif Kitfox Logo? I'd like to
> make a decal for my panel.
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Kitfox Logo file |
Paul,
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Decals/Logos.html
There are 3 Kitfox decals with low-res (ie unusable) pictures. I received
the decals quickly and they are good quality at a cheap price.
Bob
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morel
Sent: 17 September 2008 7:43 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Logo file
Hi Bob
It would be great if you could send me the link of the supplier for the
logo.
Thanks
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Brennan <mailto:matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Logo file
Paul,
I just received decals that I ordered online a few days ago, they are the
stylized Kitfox name in black lettering and are 5x12 inches. The company
also has the fox logo in color and so do I on the tail of my KF2.
I could photograph either decal or send you the link to the supplier, let me
know if that helps.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morel
Sent: 17 September 2008 7:19 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Logo file
Hi
Does anyone have a hi-res .jpg or .gif Kitfox Logo? I'd like to make a
decal for my panel.
do not archive
Paul Morel
Model IV Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: KF 92DR flys again |
matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote:
> Leonard - yet another groundloop due to left brake fading...
>
> See my recent thread titled "Give me a brake!"
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47744. I just received the
> rebuild kit from Matco for $8.88 to fix mine.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> --
yeah and I am the one that told you where to get the rebuild kit lol...
We had ordered a rebuild kit, but it had not come in yet and I had pulled them
apart and cleaned them up. I figured what the heck, it seems to be working ok
in the garage...... We now have 4 rebuild kits on hand.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: KF 92DR flys again |
What goes around comes around hey Leonard?<g> Especially with a squishy left
brake at 10mph!
I am rebuilding mine tonight in fact - note that the plug *must* be attached
with a special adhesive - "Black Max" Loctite 380, not available in your
average hardware store. I managed to get a tiny tube at an affordable price
on the Net - normal 1 oz bottles go for about $28 I think I remember, which
is a lot to spend for the few drops required!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: 17 September 2008 7:55 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KF 92DR flys again
matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote:
> Leonard - yet another groundloop due to left brake fading...
>
> See my recent thread titled "Give me a brake!"
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47744. I just received the
> rebuild kit from Matco for $8.88 to fix mine.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> --
yeah and I am the one that told you where to get the rebuild kit lol...
We had ordered a rebuild kit, but it had not come in yet and I had pulled
them apart and cleaned them up. I figured what the heck, it seems to be
working ok in the garage...... We now have 4 rebuild kits on hand.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4857#204857
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| Subject: | Re: gsc props changing pitch in flight |
Ok, now some of you guys are scaring me. Putting paper inside the hub
or spraying clearcoat on blade roots to tighten them seems a bit
uncertain to me when there is another, structurally-sound solution.
Plastic and wood are structural materials that have known compression,
wear, and weathering characteristics. Paper and clearcoat don't each
possess all three characteristics predictably.
After 100 hours on my 66" three-blade GSC prop, I machined the hubs
by 0.020" to compensate for a reduced gap. The original gap had been
"used up" in the first 100 hours through a number of re-torque cycles
for experimental pitch adjustments. Since then, I've put an additional
225 hours on the prop.
I do two things that I consider vital to the GSC prop: each preflight
includes checking the blades for security in the hub, plus I re-retorque
the bolts every spring and fall. These are two things I learned to do
after letting the blade sit, torqued to spec, for two years before my
first engine run-up - it was quickly evident something was wrong. Thus,
I realized very early on to not take this prop, or any other prop, for
granted.
I am associated with a kitplane that had used a three-blade Ivoprop
bolted to an O-540. One morning while we were preparing for a flight,
the owner's cell phone rang. An owner of a like-equipped aircraft called
to warn that his prop had just thrown a blade during a ground run and
resulted in the wrecking of 1/3 of the airframe. Weeks later the blade
was found a quarter-mile away. In that design, now obsolete, the blades
were expected to be retained by the shear-strength of two bolts plus a
flat plate-clamping force but the bolt-holes ripped through. Ivoprop
responsibly recalled them.
Certainly the fine folks at GSC have a liability to protect by
invoking a 5yr/500 hour lifetime policy. However, it if weren't for this
forum, I'd have never known about this limitation.
I will propose that a rotted GSC blade root will not torque properly
and thus would allow the hub gap to be immediately reduced to zero
around that blade. I do NOT believe the use of shims of any kind should
be used because they could either become compressed, thus loosening
again unpredictably. Or if material denser than paper or clearcoat were
used, I could imagine stress-risers developing on the hub and/or roots.
I DO believe that modestly machining material from the gap area can
be effective and safe. My opinion is that the hub, as shipped from GSC,
was gapped a little less than necessary for MY particular prop. However,
I will not machine mine again should the gap reduce further, nor would I
machine more than 0.020" from the gap.
Mike Perkins
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| Subject: | Re: KF 92DR flys again |
Bob
What plug are you referring to?
Dwight Purdy
Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:05 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: KF 92DR flys again
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> What goes around comes around hey Leonard?<g> Especially with a squishy
> left
> brake at 10mph!
>
> I am rebuilding mine tonight in fact - note that the plug *must* be
> attached
> with a special adhesive - "Black Max" Loctite 380, not available in your
> average hardware store. I managed to get a tiny tube at an affordable
> price
> on the Net - normal 1 oz bottles go for about $28 I think I remember,
> which
> is a lot to spend for the few drops required!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: 17 September 2008 7:55 pm
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KF 92DR flys again
>
>
>
> matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote:
>> Leonard - yet another groundloop due to left brake fading...
>>
>> See my recent thread titled "Give me a brake!"
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47744. I just received the
>> rebuild kit from Matco for $8.88 to fix mine.
>>
>> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
>> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>> Wrightsville Pa
>>
>> --
>
>
> yeah and I am the one that told you where to get the rebuild kit lol...
>
> We had ordered a rebuild kit, but it had not come in yet and I had pulled
> them apart and cleaned them up. I figured what the heck, it seems to be
> working ok in the garage...... We now have 4 rebuild kits on hand.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4857#204857
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox Logo file |
We can help with the decals..
The Kitfox Name and LOGO is a Registered Trademark.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morel
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Logo file
Hi
Does anyone have a hi-res .jpg or .gif Kitfox Logo? I'd like to make a
decal for my panel.
do not archive
Paul Morel
Model IV Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: KF 92DR flys again |
The "buna n plug"
http://matco.elixirlabs.com/users/matco/images/mastercylinder1a.jpg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Purdy
Sent: 17 September 2008 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: KF 92DR flys again
Bob
What plug are you referring to?
Dwight Purdy
Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:05 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: KF 92DR flys again
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> What goes around comes around hey Leonard?<g> Especially with a squishy
> left
> brake at 10mph!
>
> I am rebuilding mine tonight in fact - note that the plug *must* be
> attached
> with a special adhesive - "Black Max" Loctite 380, not available in your
> average hardware store. I managed to get a tiny tube at an affordable
> price
> on the Net - normal 1 oz bottles go for about $28 I think I remember,
> which
> is a lot to spend for the few drops required!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: 17 September 2008 7:55 pm
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KF 92DR flys again
>
>
>
> matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote:
>> Leonard - yet another groundloop due to left brake fading...
>>
>> See my recent thread titled "Give me a brake!"
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47744. I just received the
>> rebuild kit from Matco for $8.88 to fix mine.
>>
>> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
>> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>> Wrightsville Pa
>>
>> --
>
>
> yeah and I am the one that told you where to get the rebuild kit lol...
>
> We had ordered a rebuild kit, but it had not come in yet and I had pulled
> them apart and cleaned them up. I figured what the heck, it seems to be
> working ok in the garage...... We now have 4 rebuild kits on hand.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4857#204857
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Logo file |
John
I'll certainly give you a call. I didn't think about crossing the
infringement line on the Kitfox logo. Sorry.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Logo file
We can help with the decals..
The Kitfox Name and LOGO is a Registered Trademark.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morel
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 5:19 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Logo file
Hi
Does anyone have a hi-res .jpg or .gif Kitfox Logo? I'd like to make
a decal for my panel.
do not archive
Paul Morel
Model IV Speedster
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