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1. 08:21 AM - Progress report on Jabiru...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
2. 08:44 AM - Re: Almost ready to fly (Tom Beirne)
3. 09:35 AM - Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire (Mnflyer)
4. 10:45 AM - Re: Almost ready to fly (Tom Beirne)
5. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Almost ready to fly (Guy Buchanan)
6. 12:14 PM - RE Progress report on Jabiru...off topic (Michel Verheughe)
7. 01:20 PM - rivets in flaperon brackets (Dave)
8. 01:28 PM - Re: Almost ready to fly (fox5flyer)
9. 02:25 PM - Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire (steve shinabery)
10. 02:56 PM - Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire (Pete Christensen)
11. 03:16 PM - Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire (Dwight Purdy)
12. 03:45 PM - Tundra Tires (steve shinabery)
13. 04:26 PM - Re: Tundra Tires (Mnflyer)
14. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Tundra Tires (Dee Young)
15. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Tundra Tires (steve shinabery)
16. 05:13 PM - Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire (Dee Young)
17. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire (Dee Young)
18. 06:40 PM - Re: RE Progress report on Jabiru...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
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| Subject: | Progress report on Jabiru...off topic |
I finally got around to putting oil in my newly rebuilt engine, and
cranked her over with my temporary see-through rocker covers in
place. I got up to 55 lbs. oil pressure, at 325 rpm cranking
speed....one plug removed from each cylinder. I could stand outside
the plane and crank it...no prop installed, and no ignition hooked up
yet, but I'm working on it. I was happy to see oil coming down over
the valve springs, and collecting inside the covers. Now I can remove
them and install the stock covers, assured that the oil is getting to
the last place in the line as far as oil delivery goes.
Work on the ignition system continues, after making brackets to hold
the controllers and sensors. I can do part of the wiring, but need to
ask a couple of questions before I can finish the installation, so
that'll postpone any fire-up until Monday....with the prop on, of
course.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane;
ignition system installed, wiring in progress
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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| Subject: | Re: Almost ready to fly |
Cecil
What type of engine mount do you have for the 582, side mounted or bottom mounted,
and what gearbox. The bottom mounts are known for vibration problems but the
side mounts can only be used with the C gearbox in 3:1 ration
Alternatively it could be that your carbs need tuning and balancing. We had a similar
problem with our Mk III 582 recently after visiting a flyin. Engine ran
rough at lower RPM but smooted out at higher speeds. Seemingly some touchy-feely
visitior may have reached into the front opening in the cowl and unknowingly
changed the air screw (fuel/air mix) on the front carb putting them out of
balance. The vibration was such that a precautionary landing was considered and
I think we may have had a temperature imbalance in the cylinders that you have
noticed also. This is an indication that one cylinder is richer/leaner than
the other.
Here is a useful guide to setting up Bing carbs . I'm sure you are already aware
that one should remove the prop when doing this :)
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| Subject: | Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire |
Hi Dee, what did they charge you to shave the tires? I just installed the King
Fox tires and personally I'd prefer to have the original ATV tires I have thought
about going back to my original tires but they are so old and getting weather
checked, that I 'm probably better off to stick with the new tires.
Just maybe I 'll check into doing what you did.
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MNFlyer
Flying a HKS Kitfox III
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| Subject: | Re: Almost ready to fly |
> Cecil
> The engine is now very smooth at or above 3200 rpm.
> When I shut the engine off it vibrates considerably. Is there a preferred method
of
> shutting down - ign or throttle first ? or ?
> If the oil injection fails, how long will the engine run before quiting?
> What symptoms will there be ?
We never let the engine idle with the throttle fully closed (except during landing
rollout), even descents are made at 4000 rpm to prevent plug fouling. After
starting the engine is immediately set to just over 3000 for warm up, anything
less than that produces 4-stroking in the engine and a lot of vibration. Allow
a few minutes at this idle to let the engine warm up as the tolerances are
very tight and things need to expand a little.
When shutting down again let the engine idle at it's lowest happy setting for about
a minute to stabilise the temps then kill the ignition first. This will leave
a good coating of fuel/oil mix inside the crankcase and cylinders. The fuel
will evaporate and leave a film of oil to help resist internal corrosion.
With regard to oil injection failure symptoms the first will probably be the temps,
have a read of on page 2. The document opens sideways but if you right-click
and pick "rotate sideways" 3 times you can get it the right way up. I don't
know how long it would last but I don't think that you would have long.
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| Subject: | Re: Almost ready to fly |
At 09:05 PM 9/20/2008, you wrote:
>During this time I have noticed that the brakes do not hold at appx 5000 rpm.
Your brakes should hold at full throttle. See the recent thread on
weak brakes. It included some very good information on pedal geometry
and tubing.
>Tying to a tree is good advice. Ran at 5000 rpm (for 5 min after 10
>min at 3200)
>than quickly ran up to 6500 rpm which seemed to be max
You will probably want to be closer to 6200 rpm on static run-up.
You'll get a better launch with the higher rpm, but may loose a few
mph top end.
>When I shut the engine off it vibrates considerably. Is there a
>preferred method of
>shutting down - ign or throttle first ? or ?
I know the 912s crowd has a tough time shutting down smoothly. (Check
the Rotax list for more info.) If my feeble memory serves correctly
some of them were shutting off the ignition at a "smooth" rpm and
letting the engine run down. You might try that. If you aren't averse
to spending some more money and time I highly recommend the RK400
clutch available at
http://www.air-techinc.com/catlist.asp?categoryID=atclutch&typ=Exclusives.
>If the oil injection fails, how long will the engine run before quiting?
>What symptoms will there be ?
It will get very, very quiet, then very hot & humid, and you may
notice objectionable odors emanating from your drawers. ;-)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | RE Progress report on Jabiru...off topic |
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> I was happy to see oil coming down over
> the valve springs, and collecting inside the covers.
Good to hear you're making progress, Lynn. You will certainly be in the air long
before me. Well, I fly now but as a passenger, with my son as PIC. Still, I
miss the fact to be able to just drive to the airfield and get up in the air when
it suits me. The fact that I have lost my driving license is also killing
me; I can't get to the airfield without it; there are no buses going in that direction
and it's just too far by bicycle.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as PAX
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| Subject: | rivets in flaperon brackets |
I've been mounting the brackets and I've found two things that I need to
check. First, I show the rivets 95007 as 1/4 by 1/8 Alu. But I appear to
have an identical bag labelled 95012. I cannot locate the original
little chart I made up of Number vs size/material on the rivets.
The second issue surrounds actually installing the rivets at the very
back of the bracket. I don't appear to have enough room for the opposing
rivets, they hit each other. The holes line up and I'm almost tempted to
use a 1/8 in bolt all the way through from top to bottom. Has anyone
else hit this issue?
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| Subject: | Re: Almost ready to fly |
More than likely it's the idle jets. The stock ones are too rich at
near sea level. Go to the next leaner set and I think you'll see a
marked improvement.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Miles
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Almost ready to fly
Cecil - I have a K III w/ a 582 and know of several others and it is
pretty typical for them to have to be above 3200 rpm to run smoothly.
Have you checked the pitch on you prop? I.E. all blades the same? I had
a small vibration problem when one blade moved on me. How long has it
been since they were torqued?
Frank Miles
Lewiston, Idaho
K III w/ 582
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cecil
Stokesberry
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:40 PM
To: Kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Almost ready to fly
After many years of on and off work my Kitfox Md 4 582 1050 ser #
1451is ready for inspection and paper work.
But one last problem and as I have been reading this list for some
time I am confident there is an answser there.
I am beginning to break in the engine - it started nicely but very
rough from idle to about 4000 rpm then it smooths
out - I have not run greater than 4000 rpm yet. When the engine stops
it shakes violently in the motor mount.
So the question is - will the break-in procedure cure this problem? -
Is the prop out of balance (even thou smooth at
4000 rpm)? - Is the prop pitch out of wack (different pitch on each
blade) ? Any other ideas as to this problem.?
Thank You for any help you can give me.
Cecil Stokesberry in North Idaho - N161CP
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| Subject: | Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire |
Dee Young wrote:
> I mentioned some time back that I had found a source for new new
> tundra tires for the Kitfox. What I did was go to the local tire
> store and order the proper size of ATV tires. Have the tire store send
> them to the retread shop and have them shaved. *_Don't tell them they
> will be used on an aircraft or your SOL._* I received a new set this
> week and the tires seem to be made much better than those that came
> stock in my model II. Anyway this worked for me and it may for you
> too. Cost wasn't that bad either, about $80.00.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
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Dee,,go to Tires Unlimted.com Dayton Ohio-Tires Unlimted why go
through all the trouble ..of getting them shaved etc.They have then in
stock,and if they do not,they will get them for you there..they have
tubes all so..they will ship then right to your home..I have bought a
pair from them..and they are all ready smooth.no tread..and the cost is
right..and they are cheaper too than the cost that you gave..the tires
are called NANCO TIRES. they are the same as the KING FOX Tunda Tires.
But hey dont trust me..go to there web site.or call them..and then tell
me I told you so...Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 Home to the Great Lakes
Area KIT FOX Fly In,,,coming in July 2009 see you there
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| Subject: | Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire |
Steve,
What is the part number?
Pete KF III SN 1000 912
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve shinabery" <shinco@bright.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire
>
> Dee Young wrote:
>> I mentioned some time back that I had found a source for new new
>> tundra tires for the Kitfox. What I did was go to the local tire
>> store and order the proper size of ATV tires. Have the tire store send
>> them to the retread shop and have them shaved. *_Don't tell them they
>> will be used on an aircraft or your SOL._* I received a new set this
>> week and the tires seem to be made much better than those that came
>> stock in my model II. Anyway this worked for me and it may for you
>> too. Cost wasn't that bad either, about $80.00.
>>
>> Dee Young
>> Model II
>> N345DY
>>
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> Dee,,go to Tires Unlimted.com Dayton Ohio-Tires Unlimted why go
> through all the trouble ..of getting them shaved etc.They have then in
> stock,and if they do not,they will get them for you there..they have
> tubes all so..they will ship then right to your home..I have bought a
> pair from them..and they are all ready smooth.no tread..and the cost is
> right..and they are cheaper too than the cost that you gave..the tires
> are called NANCO TIRES. they are the same as the KING FOX Tunda Tires.
> But hey dont trust me..go to there web site.or call them..and then tell
> me I told you so...Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 Home to the Great Lakes
> Area KIT FOX Fly In,,,coming in July 2009 see you there
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire |
Steve
Itried there a few yeas ago and they were out and not expecting any till the
next large batch from asia made.
Dwight Purdy
Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve shinabery" <shinco@bright.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire
>
> Dee Young wrote:
>> I mentioned some time back that I had found a source for new new tundra
>> tires for the Kitfox. What I did was go to the local tire store and
>> order the proper size of ATV tires. Have the tire store send them to the
>> retread shop and have them shaved. *_Don't tell them they will be used on
>> an aircraft or your SOL._* I received a new set this week and the tires
>> seem to be made much better than those that came stock in my model II.
>> Anyway this worked for me and it may for you too. Cost wasn't that bad
>> either, about $80.00.
>> Dee Young
>> Model II
>> N345DY
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> Dee,,go to Tires Unlimted.com Dayton Ohio-Tires Unlimted why go
> through all the trouble ..of getting them shaved etc.They have then in
> stock,and if they do not,they will get them for you there..they have tubes
> all so..they will ship then right to your home..I have bought a pair from
> them..and they are all ready smooth.no tread..and the cost is right..and
> they are cheaper too than the cost that you gave..the tires are called
> NANCO TIRES. they are the same as the KING FOX Tunda Tires. But hey dont
> trust me..go to there web site.or call them..and then tell me I told you
> so...Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 Home to the Great Lakes Area KIT FOX
> Fly In,,,coming in July 2009 see you there
>
>
>
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OK guys I had just went to Dayton Ohio,Tires Unlimited...About the
Tundra Tires,and here is what I found out at there web Site..NANCO
Tundra Tires,21X12-8 part no.T30151002 and they are $41.00 each..and
they should have them in stock..and if they do not they will get them
for you.They are the same as the KING FOX tundra tires...Dayton
Ohio,Tires Unlimited,,,4742 Wadworth Rd.,,,Dayton Ohio 45414 ph
937-276-2115 I bought a set off of them app 2 months ago...Steve
Shinabery N554KF KF2,, St.Marys Ohio,,,Home of the Great Lakes Area
KITFOX Fly In., coming July 2009
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| Subject: | Re: Tundra Tires |
Yea, but are the blame things round? The ones I have on my plane are NOT and besides
I prefer the 20X7X8 tire size.
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GB
MNFlyer
Flying a HKS Kitfox III
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| Subject: | Re: Tundra Tires |
The 20X7X8 is the size I ordered and not sure why they wouldn't be
round.
Dee
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From: Mnflyer<mailto:gbsb2002@yahoo.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 5:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tundra Tires
<gbsb2002@yahoo.com<mailto:gbsb2002@yahoo.com>>
Yea, but are the blame things round? The ones I have on my plane are
NOT and besides I prefer the 20X7X8 tire size.
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MNFlyer
Flying a HKS Kitfox III
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| Subject: | Re: Tundra Tires |
Mnflyer wrote:
>
> Yea, but are the blame things round? The ones I have on my plane are NOT and
besides I prefer the 20X7X8 tire size.
>
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> GB
> MNFlyer
> Flying a HKS Kitfox III
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They are round and they go round and round.I have no problem with
them..Do you have square tires?did you get them from Dayton Tire??if you
did..they stand behind them...all you have to do is call them and they
will stand behind there tires..Steve Shinabery N554KF
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| Subject: | Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire |
No part number just 20X7x8 Carlisle makes them plus several other manuf.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Christensen<mailto:apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net<mailto:apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>>
Steve,
What is the part number?
Pete KF III SN 1000 912
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From: "steve shinabery" <shinco@bright.net<mailto:shinco@bright.net>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire
<shinco@bright.net<mailto:shinco@bright.net>>
>
> Dee Young wrote:
>> I mentioned some time back that I had found a source for new new
>> tundra tires for the Kitfox. What I did was go to the local tire
>> store and order the proper size of ATV tires. Have the tire store
send
>> them to the retread shop and have them shaved. *_Don't tell them
they
>> will be used on an aircraft or your SOL._* I received a new set
this
>> week and the tires seem to be made much better than those that came
>> stock in my model II. Anyway this worked for me and it may for you
>> too. Cost wasn't that bad either, about $80.00.
>>
>> Dee Young
>> Model II
>> N345DY
>>
>> Do Not Archive
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>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/>
>>
>>
> Dee,,go to Tires Unlimted.com Dayton Ohio-Tires Unlimted why go
> through all the trouble ..of getting them shaved etc.They have then
in
> stock,and if they do not,they will get them for you there..they have
> tubes all so..they will ship then right to your home..I have bought
a
> pair from them..and they are all ready smooth.no tread..and the cost
is
> right..and they are cheaper too than the cost that you gave..the
tires
> are called NANCO TIRES. they are the same as the KING FOX Tunda
Tires.
> But hey dont trust me..go to there web site.or call them..and then
tell
> me I told you so...Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 Home to the Great
Lakes
> Area KIT FOX Fly In,,,coming in July 2009 see you there
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire |
It cost me $80.00 for the tires ready to mount but my son manages a
store so he helped me out on the price. I got the 20X7X8 which is the
original size as I recall. I looked at the King Fox tires but didn't
care for the larger size tires.
Dee Young
N345DY
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From: Mnflyer<mailto:gbsb2002@yahoo.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Smooth 8.00X20.00" tire
<gbsb2002@yahoo.com<mailto:gbsb2002@yahoo.com>>
Hi Dee, what did they charge you to shave the tires? I just installed
the King Fox tires and personally I'd prefer to have the original ATV
tires I have thought about going back to my original tires but they are
so old and getting weather checked, that I 'm probably better off to
stick with the new tires.
Just maybe I 'll check into doing what you did.
--------
GB
MNFlyer
Flying a HKS Kitfox III
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| Subject: | Re: RE Progress report on Jabiru...off topic |
That's a real bummer, Michel....I can only partially imagine what
that must feel like, having done the 5-way bypass thing, but
certainly not the cardiac arrest that you went through. Then to not
be able to drive or fly after all that, well......
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs...engine assembled and back in the plane;
ignition system installed, wiring in progress
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Sep 21, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> I was happy to see oil coming down over
>> the valve springs, and collecting inside the covers.
>
> Good to hear you're making progress, Lynn. You will certainly be in
> the air long before me. Well, I fly now but as a passenger, with my
> son as PIC. Still, I miss the fact to be able to just drive to the
> airfield and get up in the air when it suits me. The fact that I
> have lost my driving license is also killing me; I can't get to the
> airfield without it; there are no buses going in that direction and
> it's just too far by bicycle.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as PAX
>
> Do not archive
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