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1. 02:06 AM - HI lynn (steve shinabery)
2. 03:01 AM - Re: Lexan (jeff puls)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Lexan (W Duke)
4. 07:32 AM - Re: Warp Drive Angle (Earnest & Bonnie Jacques)
5. 08:13 AM - Re: Warp Drive Angle (Noel Loveys)
6. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG (Noel Loveys)
7. 09:52 AM - Re: Lexan (SUE MICHAELS)
8. 10:24 AM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL (Chuck Popenoe)
9. 11:02 AM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL (Noel Loveys)
10. 11:25 AM - Coolant tank paint (Pat Reilly)
11. 12:07 PM - Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG (n85ae)
12. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG (Guy Buchanan)
13. 12:50 PM - Re: Coolant tank paint (Guy Buchanan)
14. 04:52 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL (Chuck Popenoe)
15. 05:41 PM - Re: Coolant tank paint (patrick reilly)
16. 06:55 PM - Re: Coolant tank paint (Noel Loveys)
17. 07:39 PM - KitFox 7 Elevator for sale (Dale Orth)
18. 07:45 PM - Re: Coolant tank paint (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
19. 08:44 PM - Re: Lexan (jerry evans)
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Good Luck with your first test flight Lynn,,,Steve Shinabery N554KF
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Jim,
I'm not familiar with that. What does it look like? Jeff
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From: James Shumaker
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan
A hole saw runing in reverse works....if that is the question
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From: jeff puls <pulsair@mindspring.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:08:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lexan
Anybody know if they make a 3" cutting wheel for Lexan?
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I used a cutoff wheel on a die grinder.- Appr 3 inches
Maxwell Duke
S6/TD/IO240
Dublin, GA
--- On Tue, 9/23/08, jeff puls <pulsair@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: jeff puls <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lexan
Anybody know if-they make a 3" cutting wheel for Lexan?
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| Subject: | RE: Warp Drive Angle |
Thanks Brian, that helps a lot. And thanks to everyone on the list. I have
gleaned a lot of information that made my job a lot easier.
Ted
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| Subject: | Warp Drive Angle |
I was advised to use 6400 to get off the water with floats...on a GSC tec 7
prop. That worked but what really worked well was the Ivo IFA that replaced
the GSC ( Expired). I needed a full 6800 rpm for lift off with the floats
but it sure slowed down the cruise speed.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Angle
I agree with Brian. That is good advice, IMO. Not only does it give the
582 a better cruise (who needs to get off the ground in 100 feet anyway),
better fuel consumption, and also it keeps a better load on the engine so
that EGTs are more manageable. Gerry, at Greensky Adventures, an old Rotax
guru gave me the same advice to use 5800 static. Worked for me and there
was no more screwing around.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
Hi Ted
Static is "not moving". When your plane is tied down (static) your prop and
engine have to work harder because all the air is being pulled through the
prop. When your plane is moving forward (flying) the engine has less work to
do because less air is being pulled across the blades. Less work at the
same power setting means higher rpm. So, if you are over the redline when
static, once you start flying you are not in a good position. Your prop is
not set course enough to pull your plane through the air.
I used to set my 582 at 5800rpm static which translated to ~6250rpm in level
flight. I was looking for more cruise speed so I preferred a course setting.
The web site below tells how to use the warp drive protractor to set your
pitch.
http://www.warpdriveprops.com/protractor.html
Hope this helps
Brian
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Earnest &
Bonnie Jacques
Sent: September 23, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Angle
Thanks for the question. Since I am new to building and to Kitfoxes, I
didn't know I was to do that. Actually, what is "static". Yes it does go
over the redline when on the ground. I would have thought the AP would have
set that properly, but I guess not. Please explain how to do that and get
the angle right. Thanks.
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG |
He could have put the shot in plastic bags inside the box... That way if he
wanted to move the weight forward he could stow it in a pod or under/on a
seat. Lots of opportunities there as long as the bag was secured.
The 206 JetRanger sometimes will carry a lead strap in the luggage
compartment. That lead strap is attached to the fornt of the right skid if
the pilot is less than a specific weight. If the same pilot is carrying
passengers or a load the ballast weight can sit in the cargo compartment. I
think they typically weighed 20 lb.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG
Darin,
A local guy - since taken by cancer - built a Series V with the IO240, I
believe. His solution to the heavy firewall forward was to mount a small
metal toolbox on the aft baggage compartment floor with some lead shot in
it. It was part of the equipment list, but was exchanged for baggage when
going on long trips. I don't know what he did if he wanted to do come
exporing once there, but it is one idea that has been used.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:53 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG
>
> John,
>
> I don't like the idea of the battery in the tail but I do think a
> adjustable weight system would be the ticket. That way, when I do load
> the airplane up I can take the weight out and still be within the CG
> range.
>
> Guy,
>
> Yes, I have the trim system with the dual tabs on the elevators and can
> trim the airplane for level fly or steady descent rate with flaps but it
> is the amount of elevator authority that is the problem when flaring.
> Without flaps, it is fine, with flaps there is not enough to get the tail
> down so wheel landings are all that are possible...wheel landings are fine
> but I prefer the full stall landing most of the time.
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5765#205765
>
>
>
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Dremel makes a small diamond coated thin wheel made for cutting plastic. Ev
en rounded out my landing lenses and trimmed the fiberglass. Very smooth at
medium to high speed. Buy at Ace or Homedepot.=0A-=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A-
---- Original Message ----=0AFrom: jeff puls <pulsair@mindspring.com>=0ATo:
kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:08:17 PM
=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Lexan=0A=0A=0AAnybody know if-they make a 3" cut
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL |
Keith-
The recommended ratio is 100:1. However, before deciding to use MMO in
your
avgas, be sure to read the following NTSB report:
HYPERLINK
"http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbno=NYC0
2LA181&
akey=1"http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbn
o=NYC02
LA181&akey=1
Good luck!
Pops
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9/24/2008
6:29 AM
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| Subject: | Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL |
Did you notice the compression ratios of the cylinders??? 5/80 is down into
turbine territory... without the turbine J
Stoddard solvent and lard!! No thanks.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Popenoe
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL
Keith-
The recommended ratio is 100:1. However, before deciding to use MMO in your
avgas, be sure to read the following NTSB report:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610
<http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbno=NYC02LA181&
akey=1> &ntsbno=NYC02LA181&akey=1
Good luck!
Pops
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| Subject: | Coolant tank paint |
Kitfoxers, Any suggestions as to what paint I should use on the coolant
tank and pipes? As they don't get really hot, I imagine I can use
anything, but must be one that is better than most.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG |
I welded up a ballast box which is attached to the aiframe tubing back
by the trim actuator, and I keep 10 lb.s of lead in it, along with a
Odyssey PC-680 battery. I have an IO-240B. This get's my balance
where the plane handles very nicely and I never have problems with
elevator authority.
Jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5979#205979
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG |
At 12:17 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
>Can someone here please explain "gap seals"? I have some fabric tape
>on the gap between the vertical stabilizer and the rudder and think
>I saw a note somewhere about it giving more yaw authority, which the
>Model II famously lacks. Does the same thing apply to the horizontal?
Gap seal - anything that prevents flow from the high to low pressure
side of the airfoil. Some use close tolerance fiberglass structures;
others, like me, use clear tape from the top of one surface to the
bottom of the other. It looks fine if done carefully and replaced
occasionally. It can be done on the vertical and horizontal
stabilizer. When I did mine I went from full flaps giving full up
elevator at touchdown on a three-point to full flaps giving probably
75% up elevator at touchdown- a significant improvement.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant tank paint |
At 11:24 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote:
>Kitfoxers, Any suggestions as to what paint I should use on the
>coolant tank and pipes? As they don't get really hot, I imagine I
>can use anything, but must be one that is better than most.
Sure- buff them up to a mirror finish then clear coat them with
Sterling gloss. Magnificent.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL |
Keith-
The recommended ratio for Marvel Mystery Oil is 100:1. However, before
deciding to use MMO in your avgas, be sure to read the following NTSB
report:
HYPERLINK
"http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbno=NYC0
2LA181&
akey=1"http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbn
o=NYC02
LA181&akey=1
Good luck!
Pops
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| Subject: | Coolant tank paint |
Guy=2C I didn't want to spend that much time. But=2C My buffing wheel could
use a work out. Where can I get Sterling gloss=2C what type of paint is it
?
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
nn@nethere.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coolant tank paintAt 11:24 AM 9/24/
2008=2C you wrote:
Kitfoxers=2C Any suggestions as to what paint I should use on the coolant t
ank and pipes? As they don't get really hot=2C I imagine I can use anything
=2C but must be one that is better than most.Sure- buff them up to a mirror
finish then clear coat them with Sterling gloss. Magnificent.
Guy BuchananSan Diego=2C CAK-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done=2C thanks m
ostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Coolant tank paint |
I wouldn't shine... Most heat is transferred through black... That's heat
in and heat out... if you paint it flat black it will help dissipate heat.
Black is also a nice contrast colour.. if necessary chrome the cap.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:11 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Coolant tank paint
Guy, I didn't want to spend that much time. But, My buffing wheel could use
a work out. Where can I get Sterling gloss, what type of paint is it?
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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From: bnn@nethere.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coolant tank paint
At 11:24 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote:
Kitfoxers, Any suggestions as to what paint I should use on the coolant tank
and pipes? As they don't get really hot, I imagine I can use anything, but
must be one that is better than most.
Sure- buff them up to a mirror finish then clear coat them with Sterling
gloss. Magnificent.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | KitFox 7 Elevator for sale |
I have a new Series 7 Elevator & some parts. make offer
--------
Dale
KitFox 7
Las Vegas, Nv
daleorth@embarqmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant tank paint |
On Wed, September 24, 2008 11:24 am, Pat Reilly wrote:
> Kitfoxers, Any suggestions as to what paint I should use on the coolant tank
and
> pipes? As they don't get really hot, I imagine I can use anything, but must be
one
> that is better than most.
I would use a zinc based primer, I think zinc phospate is the only one now available
with a high temperature finish coat paint. You don't need the high temperature
resistance but the continual warm up and cool down cycle might cause checking and
eventual cracking.
If they are easily removable, maybe consider getting them powder coated. That would
enable you to get a very nice shine and long life durability.
Black is the best radiative color but the surface area is so small, the heat loss
differential based on color will be neglible. So powder coating to match your paint
scheme on the plane would look real sharp to my eye.
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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I used a dremel with a metal cut off wheel worked great for me
Jerry Evans
KitfoxII
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
--- On Wed, 9/24/08, jeff puls <pulsair@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: jeff puls <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan
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I'm not familiar with that. What does it look like? Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: James Shumaker
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan
A hole saw runing in reverse works....if that is the question
----- Original Message ----
From: jeff puls <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:08:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lexan
Anybody know if-they make a 3" cutting wheel for Lexan?
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