---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/24/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:06 AM - HI lynn (steve shinabery) 2. 03:01 AM - Re: Lexan (jeff puls) 3. 04:52 AM - Re: Lexan (W Duke) 4. 07:32 AM - Re: Warp Drive Angle (Earnest & Bonnie Jacques) 5. 08:13 AM - Re: Warp Drive Angle (Noel Loveys) 6. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG (Noel Loveys) 7. 09:52 AM - Re: Lexan (SUE MICHAELS) 8. 10:24 AM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL (Chuck Popenoe) 9. 11:02 AM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL (Noel Loveys) 10. 11:25 AM - Coolant tank paint (Pat Reilly) 11. 12:07 PM - Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG (n85ae) 12. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG (Guy Buchanan) 13. 12:50 PM - Re: Coolant tank paint (Guy Buchanan) 14. 04:52 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL (Chuck Popenoe) 15. 05:41 PM - Re: Coolant tank paint (patrick reilly) 16. 06:55 PM - Re: Coolant tank paint (Noel Loveys) 17. 07:39 PM - KitFox 7 Elevator for sale (Dale Orth) 18. 07:45 PM - Re: Coolant tank paint (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) 19. 08:44 PM - Re: Lexan (jerry evans) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:07 AM PST US From: steve shinabery Subject: Kitfox-List: HI lynn Good Luck with your first test flight Lynn,,,Steve Shinabery N554KF ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:40 AM PST US From: "jeff puls" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan Jim, I'm not familiar with that. What does it look like? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: James Shumaker To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:21 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan A hole saw runing in reverse works....if that is the question ----- Original Message ---- From: jeff puls To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:08:17 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Lexan Anybody know if they make a 3" cutting wheel for Lexan? 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:19 AM PST US From: W Duke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan I used a cutoff wheel on a die grinder.- Appr 3 inches Maxwell Duke S6/TD/IO240 Dublin, GA --- On Tue, 9/23/08, jeff puls wrote: From: jeff puls Subject: Kitfox-List: Lexan Anybody know if-they make a 3" cutting wheel for Lexan? =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:14 AM PST US From: "Earnest & Bonnie Jacques" Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Warp Drive Angle Thanks Brian, that helps a lot. And thanks to everyone on the list. I have gleaned a lot of information that made my job a lot easier. Ted ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:04 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Angle I was advised to use 6400 to get off the water with floats...on a GSC tec 7 prop. That worked but what really worked well was the Ivo IFA that replaced the GSC ( Expired). I needed a full 6800 rpm for lift off with the floats but it sure slowed down the cruise speed. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Angle I agree with Brian. That is good advice, IMO. Not only does it give the 582 a better cruise (who needs to get off the ground in 100 feet anyway), better fuel consumption, and also it keeps a better load on the engine so that EGTs are more manageable. Gerry, at Greensky Adventures, an old Rotax guru gave me the same advice to use 5800 static. Worked for me and there was no more screwing around. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert Hi Ted Static is "not moving". When your plane is tied down (static) your prop and engine have to work harder because all the air is being pulled through the prop. When your plane is moving forward (flying) the engine has less work to do because less air is being pulled across the blades. Less work at the same power setting means higher rpm. So, if you are over the redline when static, once you start flying you are not in a good position. Your prop is not set course enough to pull your plane through the air. I used to set my 582 at 5800rpm static which translated to ~6250rpm in level flight. I was looking for more cruise speed so I preferred a course setting. The web site below tells how to use the warp drive protractor to set your pitch. http://www.warpdriveprops.com/protractor.html Hope this helps Brian _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Earnest & Bonnie Jacques Sent: September 23, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Angle Thanks for the question. Since I am new to building and to Kitfoxes, I didn't know I was to do that. Actually, what is "static". Yes it does go over the redline when on the ground. I would have thought the AP would have set that properly, but I guess not. Please explain how to do that and get the angle right. Thanks. Ted href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:04 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG He could have put the shot in plastic bags inside the box... That way if he wanted to move the weight forward he could stow it in a pod or under/on a seat. Lots of opportunities there as long as the bag was secured. The 206 JetRanger sometimes will carry a lead strap in the luggage compartment. That lead strap is attached to the fornt of the right skid if the pilot is less than a specific weight. If the same pilot is carrying passengers or a load the ballast weight can sit in the cargo compartment. I think they typically weighed 20 lb. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG Darin, A local guy - since taken by cancer - built a Series V with the IO240, I believe. His solution to the heavy firewall forward was to mount a small metal toolbox on the aft baggage compartment floor with some lead shot in it. It was part of the equipment list, but was exchanged for baggage when going on long trips. I don't know what he did if he wanted to do come exporing once there, but it is one idea that has been used. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "darinh" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG > > John, > > I don't like the idea of the battery in the tail but I do think a > adjustable weight system would be the ticket. That way, when I do load > the airplane up I can take the weight out and still be within the CG > range. > > Guy, > > Yes, I have the trim system with the dual tabs on the elevators and can > trim the airplane for level fly or steady descent rate with flaps but it > is the amount of elevator authority that is the problem when flaring. > Without flaps, it is fine, with flaps there is not enough to get the tail > down so wheel landings are all that are possible...wheel landings are fine > but I prefer the full stall landing most of the time. > > -------- > Darin Hawkes > Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing) > 914 Turbo > Kaysville, Utah > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5765#205765 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:48 AM PST US From: SUE MICHAELS Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan Dremel makes a small diamond coated thin wheel made for cutting plastic. Ev en rounded out my landing lenses and trimmed the fiberglass. Very smooth at medium to high speed. Buy at Ace or Homedepot.=0A-=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A- ---- Original Message ----=0AFrom: jeff puls =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:08:17 PM =0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Lexan=0A=0A=0AAnybody know if-they make a 3" cut ======= ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:07 AM PST US From: "Chuck Popenoe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL Keith- The recommended ratio is 100:1. However, before deciding to use MMO in your avgas, be sure to read the following NTSB report: HYPERLINK "http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbno=NYC0 2LA181& akey=1"http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbn o=NYC02 LA181&akey=1 Good luck! Pops Checked by AVG. 9/24/2008 6:29 AM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:24 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL Did you notice the compression ratios of the cylinders??? 5/80 is down into turbine territory... without the turbine J Stoddard solvent and lard!! No thanks. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Popenoe Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL Keith- The recommended ratio is 100:1. However, before deciding to use MMO in your avgas, be sure to read the following NTSB report: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610 &ntsbno=NYC02LA181&akey=1 Good luck! Pops Checked by AVG. 9/24/2008 6:29 AM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:32 AM PST US From: "Pat Reilly" Subject: Kitfox-List: Coolant tank paint Kitfoxers, Any suggestions as to what paint I should use on the coolant tank and pipes? As they don't get really hot, I imagine I can use anything, but must be one that is better than most. do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:53 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG From: "n85ae" I welded up a ballast box which is attached to the aiframe tubing back by the trim actuator, and I keep 10 lb.s of lead in it, along with a Odyssey PC-680 battery. I have an IO-240B. This get's my balance where the plane handles very nicely and I never have problems with elevator authority. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5979#205979 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:25 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons, Trim Settings, & CG At 12:17 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote: >Can someone here please explain "gap seals"? I have some fabric tape >on the gap between the vertical stabilizer and the rudder and think >I saw a note somewhere about it giving more yaw authority, which the >Model II famously lacks. Does the same thing apply to the horizontal? Gap seal - anything that prevents flow from the high to low pressure side of the airfoil. Some use close tolerance fiberglass structures; others, like me, use clear tape from the top of one surface to the bottom of the other. It looks fine if done carefully and replaced occasionally. It can be done on the vertical and horizontal stabilizer. When I did mine I went from full flaps giving full up elevator at touchdown on a three-point to full flaps giving probably 75% up elevator at touchdown- a significant improvement. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:55 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coolant tank paint At 11:24 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: >Kitfoxers, Any suggestions as to what paint I should use on the >coolant tank and pipes? As they don't get really hot, I imagine I >can use anything, but must be one that is better than most. Sure- buff them up to a mirror finish then clear coat them with Sterling gloss. Magnificent. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:13 PM PST US From: "Chuck Popenoe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL Keith- The recommended ratio for Marvel Mystery Oil is 100:1. However, before deciding to use MMO in your avgas, be sure to read the following NTSB report: HYPERLINK "http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbno=NYC0 2LA181& akey=1"http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbn o=NYC02 LA181&akey=1 Good luck! Pops Checked by AVG. 9/24/2008 6:29 AM Checked by AVG. 9/24/2008 6:29 AM Checked by AVG. 9/24/2008 6:29 AM ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:53 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Coolant tank paint Guy=2C I didn't want to spend that much time. But=2C My buffing wheel could use a work out. Where can I get Sterling gloss=2C what type of paint is it ? do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL nn@nethere.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coolant tank paintAt 11:24 AM 9/24/ 2008=2C you wrote: Kitfoxers=2C Any suggestions as to what paint I should use on the coolant t ank and pipes? As they don't get really hot=2C I imagine I can use anything =2C but must be one that is better than most.Sure- buff them up to a mirror finish then clear coat them with Sterling gloss. Magnificent. Guy BuchananSan Diego=2C CAK-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done=2C thanks m ostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:01 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Coolant tank paint I wouldn't shine... Most heat is transferred through black... That's heat in and heat out... if you paint it flat black it will help dissipate heat. Black is also a nice contrast colour.. if necessary chrome the cap. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Coolant tank paint Guy, I didn't want to spend that much time. But, My buffing wheel could use a work out. Where can I get Sterling gloss, what type of paint is it? do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL _____ From: bnn@nethere.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coolant tank paint At 11:24 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: Kitfoxers, Any suggestions as to what paint I should use on the coolant tank and pipes? As they don't get really hot, I imagine I can use anything, but must be one that is better than most. Sure- buff them up to a mirror finish then clear coat them with Sterling gloss. Magnificent. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:40 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: KitFox 7 Elevator for sale From: "Dale Orth" I have a new Series 7 Elevator & some parts. make offer -------- Dale KitFox 7 Las Vegas, Nv daleorth@embarqmail.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6044#206044 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coolant tank paint From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." On Wed, September 24, 2008 11:24 am, Pat Reilly wrote: > Kitfoxers, Any suggestions as to what paint I should use on the coolant tank and > pipes? As they don't get really hot, I imagine I can use anything, but must be one > that is better than most. I would use a zinc based primer, I think zinc phospate is the only one now available with a high temperature finish coat paint. You don't need the high temperature resistance but the continual warm up and cool down cycle might cause checking and eventual cracking. If they are easily removable, maybe consider getting them powder coated. That would enable you to get a very nice shine and long life durability. Black is the best radiative color but the surface area is so small, the heat loss differential based on color will be neglible. So powder coating to match your paint scheme on the plane would look real sharp to my eye. -- Paul A. Franz, P.E. PAF Consulting Engineers Office 425.440.9505 Cell 425.241.1618 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:04 PM PST US From: jerry evans Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan I used a dremel with a metal cut off wheel worked great for me Jerry Evans KitfoxII Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 --- On Wed, 9/24/08, jeff puls wrote: From: jeff puls Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan #yiv135798635 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Jim, I'm not familiar with that. What does it look like? 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