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1. 01:22 AM - Re: bending aluminum tubing (jlfernan)
2. 03:36 AM - Re: CHT probe placement (Lynn Matteson)
3. 05:31 AM - Re: bending aluminum tubing (Catz631@aol.com)
4. 06:55 AM - Re: bending aluminum tubing (paul wilson)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: bending aluminum tubing (John W. Hart)
6. 07:50 AM - aluminum tube bending (Harry Cieslar)
7. 08:15 AM - Grommets (jlfernan)
8. 08:39 AM - edge tool name and source needed (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
9. 08:56 AM - Re: Grommets (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
10. 09:05 AM - Re: edge tool name and source needed (Aluminum Flyer)
11. 09:34 AM - Re: bending aluminum tubing (Perkins, Mike)
12. 09:34 AM - Re: edge tool name and source needed (william Mills)
13. 09:45 AM - Re: Rotax 582 starter problemsRotax 582 starter problems (Perkins, Mike)
14. 09:52 AM - Re: 2-stroke oil (Perkins, Mike)
15. 11:42 AM - Re: CHT probe placement (Lynn Matteson)
16. 01:20 PM - Re: Grommets (paul wilson)
17. 01:32 PM - Re: CHT probe placement (Guy Buchanan)
18. 01:32 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Guy Buchanan)
19. 01:32 PM - Re: bending aluminum tubing (Guy Buchanan)
20. 02:19 PM - Re: CHT probe placement (Lynn Matteson)
21. 02:50 PM - Re: Grommets (jlfernan)
22. 04:50 PM - Re: edge tool name and source needed (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
23. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Grommets (Weiss Richard)
24. 06:19 PM - Re: edge tool name and source needed (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
25. 07:14 PM - Re: 2-stroke oil (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
26. 10:51 PM - Re: edge tool name and source needed (jlfernan)
27. 11:02 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
28. 11:12 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: bending aluminum tubing |
Use spring bender available at Home depot or Lowes or a tubing bender available
at Avery Tools or Cleaveland tools.
(http://imageshack.us)
(http://imageshack.us)
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Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Fuselage/Forward Controls
http://websites.expercraft.com/jlfernan/
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| Subject: | Re: CHT probe placement |
I've got photos of the install, and when I remove the plug t'couple
today, I'll take a few how how close together they are. I was amazed
at how close together hey can be physically, yet give such different
readings.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are go, or nearly so...
On Oct 1, 2008, at 12:15 AM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
>
> On Tue, September 30, 2008 3:29 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>> During my recent overhaul, I decided I didn't like the "under-
>> the-spark-plug" mounting location, so I changed to a location that
>> required me to drill into the head, tap it for an 8-32 machine
>> screw...actually a socket head cap screw...and affix the proper
>> electrical terminal onto the end of the t'couple probe...after
>> removing the spark plug terminal of course.
>
> Good and useful experiment. Would you post a few photos of the
> thermocouple installation?
>
> I want to do the same with my Rotax 914.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz, P.E.
> PAF Consulting Engineers
> Office 425.440.9505
> Cell 425.241.1618
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bending aluminum tubing |
Harry,
You can use a tubing bender. I have had good success with the spring type
you slide over the tubing. You can also fill the tubing tightly with fine sand
and bend. The sand supports the wall of the tubing.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: bending aluminum tubing |
The least low costs bender will work. If you bought the soft temper 0
tubing you probably do not even need a bender. Just work the tube by
hand. If you have some extra tubing give it a try. For sharp bends
with small radius definitely use a good bender tool.
I have lots of different benders but by hand works most of the time
for the soft Al tube.
Paul
At 11:51 PM 9/30/2008, you wrote:
>
>Anyone have advice on bending aluminum tubing for my pitot tube
>without kinking. Thanks, Harry Cieslar, Avid Magnum Builder, Goderich Ont
>
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| Subject: | bending aluminum tubing |
One of these tubing benders works on all soft tubing sizes from 1/4" thru
3/8", and they are not expensive.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3755
John Hart
KF IV
Wilburton, OK
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harry Cieslar
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:51 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: bending aluminum tubing
Anyone have advice on bending aluminum tubing for my pitot tube without
kinking. Thanks, Harry Cieslar, Avid Magnum Builder, Goderich Ont
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| Subject: | aluminum tube bending |
Thanks for all the replys. Very helpful. Great site. Harry Cieslar Avid
Magnum Builder Goderich, ON
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Anyone have a source for rubber grommets that fit in a 3/16" hole? That's the size
hole I drilled for a wire exit in my control sticks but can't found grommets
that small. Worse come to worse I'll double shrink tube them and zip tie then
so they won't move, but I prefer a grommet.
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Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Fuselage/Forward Controls
http://websites.expercraft.com/jlfernan/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7039#207039
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| Subject: | edge tool name and source needed |
There's a tool you use to slightly bend down the edges of sheet so that when you
rivet
it onto another piece the edge is tight. I saw that tool at a tool display at the
Arlington EAA Fly In Airshow but have lost my notes. I can't remember the company
name
that sold these tools nor the name of that kind of a simple tool.
The tool is hand held and has rollers so it just bends the edge of the piece down
slightly.
What is a likely company name for such aircraft tools and what's the tool called?
Also I need a recommendation for clecos. The ones I am using aren't quite right,
I
have to use a little spacer to make them tight when going through two thin sheets.
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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Try an R/C model shop looking for isolation mounts for radio gear in a model.
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From: "jlfernan" <jlfernan@bellsouth.net>
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> Anyone have a source for rubber grommets that fit in a 3/16" hole? That's the
> size hole I drilled for a wire exit in my control sticks but can't found
> grommets that small. Worse come to worse I'll double shrink tube them and zip
> tie then so they won't move, but I prefer a grommet.
>
> --------
> Jorge Fernandez
> Supersport
> Fuselage/Forward Controls
> http://websites.expercraft.com/jlfernan/
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7039#207039
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| Subject: | Re: edge tool name and source needed |
Try Aircraft Spruce:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/averyedgetool.php
---
Enea Grande
Hoping Kitfox...one day.
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. <paul@eucleides.com> wrote:
>
> There's a tool you use to slightly bend down the edges of sheet so that when
you rivet
> it onto another piece the edge is tight. I saw that tool at a tool display at
the
> Arlington EAA Fly In Airshow but have lost my notes. I can't remember the company
name
> that sold these tools nor the name of that kind of a simple tool.
>
> The tool is hand held and has rollers so it just bends the edge of the piece
down
> slightly.
>
> What is a likely company name for such aircraft tools and what's the tool called?
>
> Also I need a recommendation for clecos. The ones I am using aren't quite right,
I
> have to use a little spacer to make them tight when going through two thin sheets.
>
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz, P.E.
> PAF Consulting Engineers
> Office 425.440.9505
> Cell 425.241.1618
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bending aluminum tubing |
I've packed sand into alum tubing for larger diameter tubing. But for
smaller diameter tubing, using a brake-line tubing bender at an
automotive shop might be better.
Mike Perkins
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| Subject: | Re: edge tool name and source needed |
Better still buy direct from the Avery family business ($19) at:
http://www.averytools.com/p-45-edge-rolling-tool.aspx
I've gotten most of my sheet metal tools from them with good service.
Bill
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Aluminum Flyer <aluminum.flyer@gmail.com>wrote:
> aluminum.flyer@gmail.com>
>
> Try Aircraft Spruce:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/averyedgetool.php
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 starter problemsRotax 582 starter problems |
The only way to get at the starter for repair or replacement is to
remove the entire engine. You can do all the work yourself up to the
point where you have to wiggle the engine out of the mount - that's
where a second person is very beneficial. Same with putting it back in.
It's a pain, but it's the only way.
Sometimes relays go bad. So before removing the starter, you might want
to make sure that when you engage the relay, there's +12 volts on the
contactor-side (going to the starter).
Ground connections can corrode, especially with rust on the frame. So
it's always wise to use toothed lock washers between the ground lugs and
the frame.
Mike Perkins
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| Subject: | Re: 2-stroke oil |
Hi Paul,
Thanks for responding. Not to inundate you with Penzoil propaganda, but
here are two pieces on 2-cycle oil I'd archived. You may have seen them
before.
http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/penaircool2c.html
http://www.powerchutes.com/oil.pdf
I've used this oil from 100 hours to 325 hours in my 532 and don't have
any problems. (The first 100 engine hours were with AV-2.)
Mike Perkins
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| Subject: | Re: CHT probe placement |
Thanks, Noel....that's the reason that I posted it...because some
people might like the info and want to change their location. The
spark plug location has always been a pain in the backside to me, and
I was even cussin' while I was dealing with just this one yesterday,
and again when I removed it this morning.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are go, or nearly so...
On Sep 30, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Lynn
> I don't have a Jab or for that matter I'm not too interested in
> installing
> one... I'm still working on getting the 912 into my 'fox. Having
> said that
> I think your report on the location of the thermocouples to be to
> the point
> and factual. Thanks. It's always good to keep up on what's being
> done.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:59 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com;
> jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CHT probe placement
>
>
>
> I did some tests today regarding the CHT probe placements on my
> Jabiru 2200 engine. I'm cross-posting this so others can benefit, and
> even make assumptions regarding other engines, perhaps. I was
> wondering out loud about how the different mounting locations for the
> thermocouple probes might affect the readings of the cylinder head
> temps. During my recent overhaul, I decided I didn't like the "under-
> the-spark-plug" mounting location, so I changed to a location that
> required me to drill into the head, tap it for an 8-32 machine
> screw...actually a socket head cap screw...and affix the proper
> electrical terminal onto the end of the t'couple probe...after
> removing the spark plug terminal of course.
>
> First I went up and got some CHT numbers as the basis for comparison.
> I noted that cyl. #1 ran 317, 327, and 340 F, during various phases
> of flight. Noting these, I then took the probe from cyl #3 and
> attached to it a spark plug terminal (12mm), and installed it onto
> the spark plug that lives over the exhaust valve on #1 cylinder. I
> first removed the spark plug washer like Jabiru says to do, installed
> the probe/terminal, then reinstalled the spark plug washer, and
> reinstalled the plug. Then went flying again.
>
> Here is how I'll report the numbers....I'll call the new location
> (the machine screw termination) CHT, and the spark plug termination,
> SP, as In (CHT/SP)
>
> The numbers I got were as follows (with an ambient of 61 F) (drum
> roll please)....initial taxiing= (250/220); taxiing further
> (266/230); climbing out= (308/232); further climbing=(321/243);
> leveling off (not recorded for how long level)= (330/245); not noted
> what attitude, but not climbing=(334/249); climbing again briefly
> (344/248) I noted that the max differential was 96 F, and the
> climbing EGT's were in the high 1200's. I didn't have enough hands,
> instruments or inclination to record every aspect of the test, but I
> got enough to satisfy myself that my new locations for the CHT probes
> work, and now I can rest assured that I'm not overheating the engine
> as I thought I might when I first started it up with this
> configuration. Needless to say, the CHT's now apparently rise more
> quickly, and if you're like me, and you've been accustomed to seeing
> it rise slowly and only into the low to mid- 200's, the ol' pucker
> factor rises just as quickly and the finger gets close to the panic
> button, but it's just numbers, and now that I've done some testing,
> I'll relax a bit on this subject at least.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are go, or nearly
> so...
>
>
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NAPA or Autozone
PW
==========
At 09:15 AM 10/1/2008, you wrote:
>
>Anyone have a source for rubber grommets that fit in a 3/16" hole?
>That's the size hole I drilled for a wire exit in my control sticks
>but can't found grommets that small. Worse come to worse I'll double
>shrink tube them and zip tie then so they won't move, but I prefer a grommet.
>
>--------
>Jorge Fernandez
>Supersport
>Fuselage/Forward Controls
>http://websites.expercraft.com/jlfernan/
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7039#207039
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CHT probe placement |
At 09:42 AM 9/30/2008, you wrote:
>I haven't been following this thread closely but in my own
>experience I mounted a CHT probe on a Quicksilver MX and removed the
>washer per instructions and soon thereafter had a plug back out
>almost causing an emergency landing in a bad spot. I put a plug in
>WITH the washer and never had another problem.
Hmmmm. I've been running them for 250 hours without a washer in my
582 and have not had a problem.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Reservoir |
At 09:31 AM 9/30/2008, you wrote:
>EGT gauges - I looked on AircraftSpruce.com and there is a wide
>range of types and prices. Can you (or anyone on the list) give
>recommendations for my gray head 582 please. Also - what sensors and
>where do they mount?
I use the Grand Rapids Technologies EIS system for engine
data. I love it as it has an alarm system that whacks me in the head
(visually) when my EGT's go over red-line; (or anything else for that matter.)
The easiest EGT probe to install would be the P-110 hose
clamp mount. Mine are P-111 mounted via a 1/8" NPT to 1/8"
compression fitting screwed into the exhaust manifold. Check your
exhaust manifold. It should have two bosses welded on the top or
bottom about 2" from the engine flange. These are for the EGT probes.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: bending aluminum tubing |
At 10:51 PM 9/30/2008, you wrote:
>Anyone have advice on bending aluminum tubing for my pitot tube
>without kinking.
Buy the little hand held lever action tube bender, they're cheap and
worth the aggravation relief. They also work for a variety of tube
sizes. I've seen them at auto part stores, and the ACS part number is
12-01577 or 12-01578, depending on size.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: CHT probe placement |
Here are some pictures for those interested in pursuing an alternate
location for the CHT probes.
tapping the hole
thermocouple prepared and ready to install
keeping the thermocouple clear of the spark plug socket
I ran some tests with two thermocouples in place...one in new
location, and the other under the spark plug....at one point 96=B0 F
hotter at the "against-the-head" location, as opposed to having the
t'couple up in the airstream. You can't tell how high it sticks up
here, but it does.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are go, or nearly so...
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The problem I'm having is the smallest auto parts and such have is that they have
require a 1/4" hole. I had spoken to John at Kitfox on how they run their wires
and he said that 1/4" is too large a hole to drill in the control sticks.
I'm just going to double shrinktube the wires and use some RTV to keep them from
moving. Thanks for the suggestions.
--------
Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Fuselage/Forward Controls
http://websites.expercraft.com/jlfernan/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7082#207082
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| Subject: | Re: edge tool name and source needed |
On Wed, October 1, 2008 9:04 am, Aluminum Flyer wrote:
>
> Try Aircraft Spruce:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/averyedgetool.php
>
That's what I need! The one I saw had handles similar to a plier but this one from
Aircraft Spruce will do the trick.
Thanks. Still looking for a cleco recommendation.
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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Jorge,
Try smallparts.com
They're located in the Miami area. I don't know for sure if they
have them, but they do have quite the inventory of 'stuff'.
Small Parts, Inc.
15901 SW 29 Street Suite 201
Miramar, FL 33027
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster, 912S Power, SkyStar S/N 1
MDKitfox@aol.com
Port Orange, FL
On Oct 1, 2008, at 5:49 PM, jlfernan wrote:
>
> The problem I'm having is the smallest auto parts and such have is
> that they have require a 1/4" hole. I had spoken to John at Kitfox
> on how they run their wires and he said that 1/4" is too large a
> hole to drill in the control sticks. I'm just going to double
> shrinktube the wires and use some RTV to keep them from moving.
> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> --------
> Jorge Fernandez
> Supersport
> Fuselage/Forward Controls
> http://websites.expercraft.com/jlfernan/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7082#207082
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: edge tool name and source needed |
On Wed, October 1, 2008 9:34 am, william Mills wrote:
> Better still buy direct from the Avery family business ($19) at:
> http://www.averytools.com/p-45-edge-rolling-tool.aspx
> I've gotten most of my sheet metal tools from them with good service.
thanks for the tip. Looks like the same one AS sells below for a better price.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Aluminum Flyer <aluminum.flyer@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> aluminum.flyer@gmail.com>
>>
>> Try Aircraft Spruce:
>>
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/averyedgetool.php
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2-stroke oil |
On Wed, October 1, 2008 9:52 am, Perkins, Mike wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> Thanks for responding. Not to inundate you with Penzoil propaganda, but
> here are two pieces on 2-cycle oil I'd archived. You may have seen them
> before.
>
This is the blue code oil in the Lockwood test.
<http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/penaircool2c.html>
This is the Lockwood test.
<http://www.powerchutes.com/oil.pdf>
It would seem that the red code (Outboard 2 stroke Oil) would also be a good choice.
The ashfree formulation is really the key here.
They do say "in real world" usage where mixtures run leaner, that the synthetic
would
score higher than in their tests. However, it is clear from the pictures, I wouldn't
want to use that or the conventional mineral oil (purple code) or the synthetic
(yellow code).
In my previous research, the tech information I found was mostly from tests using
Castrol. I recall that their interest was finding the best oil for the RAVE system
on
the Rotax 618 and that ash deposits above the top piston land were a leading cause
of
overheating and seizure. I can't find that article but in those tests, I think
it was
the synthetic from Castrol that was chosen. My focus was on Synthetics for use
in the
Rotax 914 and what would happen if you had to use some 100 LL. Mobil 1 was definitely
ruled out even for a small amount of 100 LL use. Castrol Syntec is the oil I favored
of the ones tested and available in the US.
The Pennzoil information you found would probably turn me to the "blue coded" or
Aircooled two stroke oil you cite. I wouldn't want to use the synthetic for fear
of
results like theirs.
> I've used this oil from 100 hours to 325 hours in my 532 and don't have
> any problems. (The first 100 engine hours were with AV-2.)
Lockwood says to examine the piston crowns and rings every 50 hours for deposits
sticking. Have you done that too?
>
> Mike Perkins
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: edge tool name and source needed |
This is probably the one you saw, it's just a little pricey.
http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=EF60
(http://imageshack.us)
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Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Fuselage/Forward Controls
http://websites.expercraft.com/jlfernan/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7118#207118
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Please read over the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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Download Via FTP
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
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The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
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can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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