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1. 01:31 AM - Control stick (jlfernan)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: edge tool name and source needed (Lynn Matteson)
3. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: edge tool name and source needed (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
4. 07:09 AM - Re: edge tool name and source needed (fox5flyer)
5. 07:29 AM - Re: edge tool name and source needed (Malcolm Brubaker)
6. 01:15 PM - Re: Control stick (Tom Jones)
7. 01:19 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Marco Menezes)
8. 01:21 PM - Re: edge tool name and source needed (Lynn Matteson)
9. 01:29 PM - Re: edge tool name and source needed (Lynn Matteson)
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I seem to be posting alot, but it's always something new. When I drilled my control
sticks for the wire exit, I drilled about .5 inches above where the pivot
tube ends inside the stick. Today I realized that when the sticks are pulled
full aft, the holes for the wires are even with a cross tube in the fuselage and
the wires hit the tube. Now my plane is no where ready to be rigged. My question
is, how close do the sticks come to this tube in a properly rigged aircraft?
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Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Fuselage/Forward Controls
http://websites.expercraft.com/jlfernan/
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| Subject: | Re: edge tool name and source needed |
I got my clecos's from Spruce. I was ordering all kinds of other
stuff from them early on in my building process, and didn't bother
with shopping for price, just "send 'em so I can get 'er done!"
There is a place in Oscoda, Michigan...an aircraft tool company
(maybe even goes by that name) that also sells them. Maybe a google
search will turn them up.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are go, or nearly so...
On Oct 1, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
>
> On Wed, October 1, 2008 9:04 am, Aluminum Flyer wrote:
>> <aluminum.flyer@gmail.com>
>>
>> Try Aircraft Spruce:
>>
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/averyedgetool.php
>>
>
> That's what I need! The one I saw had handles similar to a plier
> but this one from
> Aircraft Spruce will do the trick.
>
> Thanks. Still looking for a cleco recommendation.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz, P.E.
> PAF Consulting Engineers
> Office 425.440.9505
> Cell 425.241.1618
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: edge tool name and source needed |
On Wed, October 1, 2008 10:50 pm, jlfernan wrote:
>
> This is probably the one you saw, it's just a little pricey.
> http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=EF60
Yep, that's it. Double the cost of the circular one. I wonder which one would be
better?
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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| Subject: | Re: edge tool name and source needed |
It's called ATS or Aircraft Tool Supply www.aircraft-tool.com
Easy to deal with. They make their own clecos and supply many other
vendors.
800 248 0638
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: edge tool name and source needed
>
> I got my clecos's from Spruce. I was ordering all kinds of other stuff
> from them early on in my building process, and didn't bother with
> shopping for price, just "send 'em so I can get 'er done!" There is a
> place in Oscoda, Michigan...an aircraft tool company (maybe even goes by
> that name) that also sells them. Maybe a google search will turn them up.
>
> Lynn Matteson
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| Subject: | Re: edge tool name and source needed |
Deev- malcolm here- I am back on the list just had both knees- replac
ed 25 days ago havent ben in the air- yet- flew a searay 8.5 hrs this s
umer just had my plane anualed but need my bianual by the end of this month
- call if you want to do lunch in midland some time--- mal- new #
989-5133-3022
--- On Thu, 10/2/08, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
From: fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: edge tool name and source needed
<fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
It's called ATS or Aircraft Tool Supply www.aircraft-tool.com
Easy to deal with. They make their own clecos and supply many other
vendors.
800 248 0638
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: edge tool name and source needed
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I got my clecos's from Spruce. I was ordering all kinds of other
stuff
> from them early on in my building process, and didn't bother with
> shopping for price, just "send 'em so I can get 'er
done!" There is a
> place in Oscoda, Michigan...an aircraft tool company (maybe even goes by
> that name) that also sells them. Maybe a google search will turn them up
..
>
> Lynn Matteson
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| Subject: | Re: Control stick |
You will probably find the answer in the Elevator installation section in your
manual. It should have the instructions on how to set the up elevator limit.
On a model 4 the stick touches the front of the seat which sits on the tube you
are concerned about. I didn't happen to check that on the one completed series
7 I saw the other day.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Reservoir |
I never use the flaps at all, except for trim.
-
Nothing much more to say about the egt gauges except I don't know how you c
an run without them. Probe placement is important and there's been some tal
k about that on this list. My exhaust manifold came with holes already plac
ed so it was a simple matter of assembly. After installation, it's a balanc
ing act between prop pitch and carb settings to get the rpm's and egts wher
e you want them. Conventional wisdom says egt's should not go above 1050-11
50 degrees. Mid-range rpm's-were most problematic for me. After that, ins
pect your plugs to assure the burn is proper and gauges aren't lying.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
-
--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name> wrote:
From: Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir
Lucky for you I already have some pix I had sent to another poster off-list
'cause it's pissin it down out there at the moment ;-)
-
I haven't seen the one on the Euro-Fox but I do know the UK Fox has a lot o
f mods to the original kit. I seem to remember the normal (US) flaperons ar
e meant to be limited to around 23 degrees but I might be wrong.
-
The picture of the "console" shows the continuous horiz tab setting nearest
and the flap handle (with the release button on top) is on the far side, s
et for zero flaps in the picture. I never use full flaps until I am lined u
p on final, at that setting it is easy to run out of roll correction if a t
urn is too steep on base to final. Had it happen a few times early on!
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Any comments on the EGT gauge and sensor you have talked me into?
-
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa--
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: 30 September 2008 6:36 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir
I have no "notches" on my flapperon lever. It's a continuous range from 0 t
o a stop at about 15 degrees which, I think, is where the "flaps" begin to
interfere with operation of the ailerons.
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I'd like to see your tab set-up. Is it like the one on the Euro-Fox?
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name> wrote:
From: Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir
I have dug out some build documentation - two MANDATORY modifications issue
d by the PFA. The first describes adding the horizontal trim tab for those
who have already built the stabilisers and those that hadn't, mine has-co
mpletely reworked tubing on the starboard side to allow for an inbuilt tab.
-
The second states: "Original equipment on Kitfox does not provide for a pos
itive location 'gate' on the flap control lever. It was original intended t
hat the plane be trimmed by use of the flaps. However flight tests indicate
a more suitable situation would be to use a trim tab (adjustable) on the e
levator and use the flaps as flaps only. This is the recommended practice.
In this situation 15 degrees of flap is the maximum required in any situati
on. Hence a suitable gate is required that can be clamped to the diagonal t
ube framing floor to seat that will restrain total flap lever travel to 0 -
15 degrees in say 5 degree steps"
-
Mine has 3 notches: 0, 15, and something between. The first "notch" adds ab
out 90% lift and 10% drag (% of the total effect), used for short take-offs
and nose-down on approach. The 2nd notch (15) adds 10% lift and 90% drag.
- I'd have to guess that your adding "10 degrees or less" is adding a *lo
t* of drag at cruise speeds. I never use flap until I am down to about 55 m
ph approach speed, or remove it until well off the ground on take off; in f
act it is placarded never to use flaps at all above maneuvering speed, 70 m
ph.
-
-
EGT gauges - I looked on AircraftSpruce.com and there is a wide range of ty
pes and prices. Can you (or anyone on the list)-give recommendations for
my gray head 582 please. Also - what sensors and where do they mount?
-
Spark plugs - I will pull them all next time I am "under the bonnet", which
should be later today, and get back to you on the condition.
-
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa--
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: 30 September 2008 10:20 am
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir
I use the flapperons (about 10 degrees or less) for nose down trim at cruis
e speeds (60-70 mph). As power is reduced, flapperons return to neutral. Wi
th no flaps and cruise power, airplane will climb. My CG is dead-center of
the range.
-
You must get egt gauges Bob. With a 2 stroke, it is probably the most impor
tant engine instrument on your panel. It will tell you immediately if mixtu
re is too lean (High egt) and prevent melting holes in your pistons. Checki
ng the color of your plugs frequently will also tell you alot about fuel bu
rn (lean-rich). You're shooting for a light brown color. No black soot (too
rich) or gray ash (too lean). Mike Stratmann wrote a good article ("Part 9
") on reading plugs. Check it out at: -http://www.800-airwolf.com/article
s.htm
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
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| Subject: | Re: edge tool name and source needed |
Well, I was close...too bad I didn't stop by there when I came up to
see you last year, Deke.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are go, or nearly so...
do not archive
On Oct 2, 2008, at 10:08 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> It's called ATS or Aircraft Tool Supply www.aircraft-tool.com
> Easy to deal with. They make their own clecos and supply many
> other vendors.
> 800 248 0638
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: edge tool name and source needed
>
>
>>
>> I got my clecos's from Spruce. I was ordering all kinds of other
>> stuff from them early on in my building process, and didn't
>> bother with shopping for price, just "send 'em so I can get 'er
>> done!" There is a place in Oscoda, Michigan...an aircraft tool
>> company (maybe even goes by that name) that also sells them.
>> Maybe a google search will turn them up.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: edge tool name and source needed |
You had 25 days to relax and didn't spend any of that time learning
how to spell....just kidding, Mal....welcome back to the group. I
have a friend who had a Searey with a Rotax 914 on it, and he got
tired of bending landing gear and tore it apart and sold the pieces.
And that's not to say it was entirely the planes' fault. Glad to see
somebody could tame that thing, 'cause it looks like it would be a
blast on the water...which my friend never tried.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are go, or nearly so...
do not archive
On Oct 2, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
> Deev malcolm here I am back on the list just had both knees
> replaced 25 days ago havent ben in the air yet flew a searay 8.5
> hrs this sumer just had my plane anualed but need my bianual by the
> end of this month call if you want to do lunch in midland some
> time mal new #989-5133-3022
>
> --- On Thu, 10/2/08, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
> From: fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: edge tool name and source needed
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 2:08 PM
>
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> It's called ATS or Aircraft Tool Supply www.aircraft-tool.com
> Easy to deal with. They make their own clecos and supply many other
> vendors.
> 800 248 0638
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 397+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: edge tool name and source needed
>
>
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >
> > I got my clecos's from Spruce. I was ordering all kinds of other
> stuff
> > from them early on in my building process, and didn't bother with
> > shopping for price, just "send 'em so I can get 'er
> done!" There is a
> > place in Oscoda, Michigan...an aircraft tool company (maybe even
> goes by _-
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