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1. 04:59 AM - Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement (n61kf)
2. 05:01 AM - Battery (Bruce Jolene)
3. 05:03 AM - Re: Rotax 912UL no start (Bruce Jolene)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: Trip to High Valley Resort in Suches, GA: Oct 9-12 (FlyboyTR)
5. 07:28 AM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Bob Brennan)
6. 07:34 AM - Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 (Guy Buchanan)
7. 07:46 AM - Re: Battery (Guy Buchanan)
8. 08:01 AM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Guy Buchanan)
9. 08:04 AM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Guy Buchanan)
10. 08:11 AM - Re: First Flight (Weiss Richard)
11. 08:34 AM - Re: First Flight (Jim Corner)
12. 08:40 AM - Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head (akflyer)
13. 10:59 AM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Bob Brennan)
14. 01:19 PM - Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement (wingnut)
15. 01:39 PM - Ivo propellers (jerry evans)
16. 01:55 PM - Re: First Flight (jerry evans)
17. 03:31 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Bob Brennan)
18. 03:37 PM - Biennial Flight Review (Bob Brennan)
19. 04:28 PM - Re: Biennial Flight Review (Lynn Matteson)
20. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement (Lowell Fitt)
21. 04:32 PM - Re: Biennial Flight Review (John W. Hart)
22. 04:40 PM - Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement (wingnut)
23. 05:03 PM - Re: Biennial Flight Review (Tom Jones)
24. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Biennial Flight Review (Larry Huntley)
25. 05:54 PM - Re: Battery (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
26. 06:02 PM - Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 (kirk hull)
27. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement (Lowell Fitt)
28. 06:15 PM - Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 (Tom Jones)
29. 06:28 PM - Re: Biennial Flight Review (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
30. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: Biennial Flight Review (Noel Loveys)
31. 06:47 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
32. 07:19 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Guy Buchanan)
33. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 (Guy Buchanan)
34. 07:19 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Guy Buchanan)
35. 07:19 PM - Re: Biennial Flight Review (Guy Buchanan)
36. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head (patrick reilly)
37. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head (patrick reilly)
38. 09:04 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
39. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement |
Lewis,
I did the same thing on my IV. I removed the conventional carb heat box and scat
tubing, replacing it with electric carb heaters, and installed two K&N RU-1820
filters. Attached is a picture of the right side.
Keith Schneider
Model IV / 912
Waynesville OH
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What size of battery is recommended for the Ktfox III in cold cranking amps?
Bruce
Kitfox III
490PA
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912UL no start |
Check for loose wires at the ignition module. You might check wires going
to and from your mag switches. I had a similar problem and it was loose
wiring connections.
Bruce
Kitfox III
----- Original Message -----
From: "rcsfca" <r66rc-matronics@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:29 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912UL no start
>
> Well, brainiacs, I've got a puzzle for you in the Rotax ignition
> department.
>
> We last flew the KF (a 1993 Model IV - 1200) in June/08, ten hours of
> flying over two days, from Arizona to its new home in the San Francisco
> Bay Area. Wonderful flying, no hiccups. Fuel was and still is 100LL. The
> plane and engine now have 273 hours TT (yes, it's that low, but we know
> its history very well, so there's no issues about misrepresented use,
> etc.).
>
> Until last Saturday, neither the plane nor the engine had moved since
> June. We had it in the hangar, working on the gear and the brakes. I also
> installed a Battery Minder from VDC in July but that was the only
> electrical/mechanical change involving the power system.
>
> Last Saturday, we rolled it out, topped off the 100LL, and she started
> after 20 or 30 seconds of engine-turning but ran rough, as though running
> on less than 4 cylinders. After about a minute or so, we shut it down and
> it hasn't started since, and we're goin' nuts trying to figure it out.
> Cranking, cranking, cranking. Lots of battery but no start.
>
> Fuel system is solid - I opened the float bowl on each carb and they were
> full of fuel. We tried a bit of starting fluid in each carb throat. No
> luck.
>
> I looked at the plugs on two of the cylinders and both were very good
> looking, light tan with no signs of fouling, and the electrodes were very
> square with no wear.
>
> I then got a spark plug wire tester to see if there was any juice getting
> to the plugs and the tester indicated NO spark. I then looked carefully at
> the ignition module wiring to see if there were any apparent wiring
> problems like bad grounds. Nothing was evident.
>
> So now I have to turn to the forum for insights and others' experience. Do
> the ignition units go belly up without warning? Am I overlooking
> something? Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich Cunningham
> SF Bay Area
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7391#207391
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trip to High Valley Resort in Suches, GA: Oct 9-12 |
Just a reminder for any Fox's looking for an adventure. We will be arriving at High Valley Resort (Suches, GA...north of Atlanta) this coming Thursday before noon. www.highvalleyresort.com HVR is a great place to fly to...perfect for a Kitfox. Please let me know if you plan to join us or would like more info.
Travis :D
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Reservoir |
Guy, or anybody else that can answer,
I am looking at the Grand Rapids EIS to replace my impossible-to-diagnose
temp gauge and missing EGT, on your recommendation and the fact that for my
money I get more STUFF.
I am looking at
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/eisjabiru.php>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/eisjabiru.php
2 Stroke, 2 Cylinder 2000 10-28000 $476.95
EIS Fuel Flow Option ---- 10-28004 $365.95
but how can I be sure it will work on my 582 grey head? I checked the
exhaust manifold - no bosses boss, as far as I can see.
The page on ACS says "Specify engine and aircraft makes and models, standard
systems furnished with gasket type CHT senders and hose clamp type EGT
senders." so I am optimistic (I'm a fuel-tank-half-full kinda guy) that the
probes will fit with minor machining, since I'm more of a woodworker than
metalworker.
Any advice/experience anyone can offer?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: 01 October 2008 3:30 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir
At 09:31 AM 9/30/2008, you wrote:
EGT gauges - I looked on AircraftSpruce.com and there is a wide range of
types and prices. Can you (or anyone on the list) give recommendations for
my gray head 582 please. Also - what sensors and where do they mount?
I use the Grand Rapids Technologies EIS system for engine data. I
love it as it has an alarm system that whacks me in the head (visually) when
my EGT's go over red-line; (or anything else for that matter.)
The easiest EGT probe to install would be the P-110 hose clamp
mount. Mine are P-111 mounted via a 1/8" NPT to 1/8" compression fitting
screwed into the exhaust manifold. Check your exhaust manifold. It should
have two bosses welded on the top or bottom about 2" from the engine flange.
These are for the EGT probes.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 |
At 07:09 AM 10/4/2008, you wrote:
>I am looking for a right door that I can modify to use for taking pictures.
>If anybody had an extra they are willing to part with please let me know
I know it's not my business, but I was wondering why you don't just
fly with the door off? One of our guys built little 4" windscreens
which he attached to the camlocs and window frame fasteners just in
front of the doors and had buffet-free doors-off flying, perfect for pictures.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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At 04:59 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote:
>What size of battery is recommended for the Ktfox III in cold cranking amps?
Bruce,
You don't say what engine. (That's why we put all that stuff
in the signature.) I use an 18ah sealed lead acid battery
(http://www.batterymart.com/p-12v-18ah-sealed-lead-acid-battery-1.html)
in my IV with a 582. It works well. I couldn't find the CCA for it, though.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Reservoir |
At 07:26 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote:
>I am looking at the Grand Rapids EIS to replace my
>impossible-to-diagnose temp gauge and missing EGT, on your
>recommendation and the fact that for my money I get more STUFF.
It's always nice to get more STUFF. Looks like you have the right attitude. ;-)
>I am looking at
><http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/eisjabiru.php>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/eisjabiru.php
>2 Stroke, 2 Cylinder 2000 10-28000 $476.95
>EIS Fuel Flow Option ---- 10-28004 $365.95
>but how can I be sure it will work on my 582 grey head? I checked
>the exhaust manifold - no bosses boss, as far as I can see.
That's similar to the one I have. (It appears to have some new
functions.) However, I'd check with GRT (http://www.grtavionics.com)
to make sure you get exactly what you want. They won't care if you
buy from Spruce. I also wouldn't buy the fuel flow, unless you really
want more STUFF. These things burn fuel so slowly that management is
pretty easy.
>
>The page on ACS says "Specify engine and aircraft makes and models,
>standard systems furnished with gasket type CHT senders and hose
>clamp type EGT senders." so I am optimistic (I'm a
>fuel-tank-half-full kinda guy) that the probes will fit with minor
>machining, since I'm more of a woodworker than metalworker.
>
>Any advice/experience anyone can offer?
Hopefully someone will chime in who's used the strap on EGT probes on
a 582. I'm not sure it will work because of the shape of the exhaust
manifold. However it should be easy to have a local shop weld on some
bosses. I can give you my measurements if you want to go that way.
Note also that you only get CHT and EGT sensors with the GRT. You'll
have to at least add water temp, plus any other functions you want.
(See http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2&featureno=8).
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Reservoir |
At 07:26 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote:
>Any advice/experience anyone can offer?
"Note also that you only get CHT and EGT sensors with the GRT. You'll
have to at least add water temp, plus any other functions you want.
(See http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2&featureno=8)."
I realized this was confusing. The GRT 2000 package only comes with
CHT and EGT sensors, though the box is capable of a lot more. You
have to add any other sensors to the cost.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Jim,
Congratulations! It's a beautiful aircraft, blue skies.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster, 912S Power, SkyStar S/N 1
MDKitfox@aol.com
On Oct 4, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Jim Corner wrote:
> Finally after 3 1/2 years my Model five flew today!
>
> A short uneventful flight, now I can get down to some serious flying.
>
>
> <IMGP2907.jpg>
> IMGP2907.JPG
>
>
> Jim Corner
> Model 2, 582,. Ivo med !FA, 1100 hrs
> Model 5 under construction
> Calgary, AB
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
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> </a>
> </a>
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> </b></font></pre>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Thanks to all who offered congrats on my first flight. I have a
small confession to make in that after putting in 1100 hrs + on my
model 2 with countless landings, i bounced the Model 5 higher than I
ever did with the 2.
Gotta love that Grove Gear! Subsequent landings have been much
better thank you!
Jim Corner
Model 2, 582,. Ivo med !FA, 1100 hrs
Model 5, 0-235 Flying at last
Calgary, AB
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| Subject: | Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
well it is worse than that... if you dont bleed the rv oil properly,it will eat
the brass gear in about 15 minutes. The seal has some grease on it so it will
last. It is easy to change, just make sure you get the right tool to pound out
the rv shaft so you dont bugger up the threads on the water pump.
>From what I have read in this thread you were just talking about replacing the
stock seal and not upgrading to the ceramic seal correct?
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Reservoir |
Hi Guy,
Thanks for that info. I went to the Grand Rapids site first and saw that
they sell the EIS 2000 as a stand-alone unit
EIS-2002 2 Cylinder - Two Stroke monitor, EIS only, no probes
$373
and a wide variety of sensors, but obviously you need to know what to order.
ACS sells a "kit" and state "Specify engine and aircraft makes and models"
and "Systems include probes and pre-wired cables". I went to the ACS website
contact-us page and stated the unit I want plus the Kitfox plus 582 info and
asked specifically what sensors/senders come with the kit. Let's see what
they say.
I am rethinking the fuel sender due to the price, I can always add it on at
a later date. The problem is that I have always been uneasy about fuel
management - when I got the plane the only fuel level indication was the
discolored slit-in-the-dash, a "reserve" level switch that had been
disconnected, and a wing tank that hadn't been used in years due to seam
leaks. I sloshed the wing tank, replaced the tube from it with clear so I
could see flow, put in a sight tube for the main tank, am replacing the
still-leaky fittings on the wing tank, and reconnected the reserve warning
light. But on days like today when I flew for 40 minutes and the sight tube
is about the same before and after - the prospect of being able to measure
fuel flow is attractive. More STUFF to put my mind at ease, although the
sight tube should be the most reliable, assuming gravity doesn't fail. Heck
if gravity stopped working I wouldn't need fuel anyway!
Attaching the EGT sensors is a concern - the manifolds are pretty tiny. I
assume one drills a hole and uses the clamp to hold the sensor in place
inside the manifold? Any probe more than an inch long might be a problem(?)
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: 05 October 2008 11:00 am
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir
At 07:26 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote:
I am looking at the Grand Rapids EIS to replace my impossible-to-diagnose
temp gauge and missing EGT, on your recommendation and the fact that for my
money I get more STUFF.
It's always nice to get more STUFF. Looks like you have the right attitude.
;-)
I am looking at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/eisjabiru.php
2 Stroke, 2 Cylinder 2000 10-28000 $476.95
EIS Fuel Flow Option ---- 10-28004 $365.95
but how can I be sure it will work on my 582 grey head? I checked the
exhaust manifold - no bosses boss, as far as I can see.
That's similar to the one I have. (It appears to have some new functions.)
However, I'd check with GRT ( <http://www.grtavionics.com/>
http://www.grtavionics.com) to make sure you get exactly what you want. They
won't care if you buy from Spruce. I also wouldn't buy the fuel flow, unless
you really want more STUFF. These things burn fuel so slowly that management
is pretty easy.
The page on ACS says "Specify engine and aircraft makes and models, standard
systems furnished with gasket type CHT senders and hose clamp type EGT
senders." so I am optimistic (I'm a fuel-tank-half-full kinda guy) that the
probes will fit with minor machining, since I'm more of a woodworker than
metalworker.
Any advice/experience anyone can offer?
Hopefully someone will chime in who's used the strap on EGT probes on a 582.
I'm not sure it will work because of the shape of the exhaust manifold.
However it should be easy to have a local shop weld on some bosses. I can
give you my measurements if you want to go that way.
Note also that you only get CHT and EGT sensors with the GRT. You'll have to
at least add water temp, plus any other functions you want. (See
http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2
<http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2&featureno=8>
&featureno=8 ).
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement |
[quote]
I did the same thing on my IV. I removed the conventional carb heat box and scat
tubing, replacing it with electric carb heaters, and installed two K&N RU-1820
filters. Attached is a picture of the right side. [quote]
Thanks Kieth. Your installation looks similar to mine in the amount of room you
have. Unfortunately, the air filters I picked up are larger than yours. Here's
a link to the picture:
http://store.leadingedgeairfoils.com/product_info.php?products_id=5368
I took a look at the installation manual and I noticed that they list a maximum
distance that the overflow bottle may be located below the expansion tank. It
doesn't say anything about locating above the expansion tank. Anyone know if
there's a problem with this?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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Does anyone have a Medium two blade-IVO prop for a 582 hanging around in
your hanger that you might want to sell? Thanks- Jerry
Jerry Evans
KitfoxII
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Congrats on that first flight Jim !!-- On your Model 2 how do you like
that IVO prop- do you have a c box 3:1 also?- e me back at KITFOX555@sb
cglobal.net let me know how it works for you-, I'm looking to get into on
e-- Thanks- Jerry
Jerry Evans
KitfoxII
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
--- On Sat, 10/4/08, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight
Congratulations, Jim....I know the feeling, and it only gets better.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are go, or nearly so...
do not archive
On Oct 4, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Jim Corner wrote:
> Finally after 3 1/2 years my Model five flew today!
>
> A short uneventful flight, now I can get down to some serious flying.
>
>
> Jim Corner
> Model 2, 582,. Ivo med !FA, 1100 hrs
> Model 5 under construction
> Calgary, AB
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Reservoir |
The GRT 2000 from what source Guy? The Grand Rapids website charges $373
and states "EIS only, no probes". The ACS website charges $476.95 and states
"Systems include probes and pre-wired cables" It goes on to state what kind
of CHT and EGT probes come as standard and that threaded senders are
available at additional cost, but nothing about other sensors required to
make it work. Although the price difference is the price of 2 CHT and 2 EGT
probes on the GRT site...
"2-stroke models provide tach, dual EGT, dual CHT, fluid temperature,
auxiliary input, hourmeter, flight timer, voltmeter and outside air
temperature" - tach, fluid temperature, and outside air temp are not much
use without sensors!
I have an email in to ACS asking specifics, and will call tomorrow if they
don't respond right away.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: 05 October 2008 11:05 am
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir
At 07:26 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote:
Any advice/experience anyone can offer?
"Note also that you only get CHT and EGT sensors with the GRT. You'll have
to at least add water temp, plus any other functions you want. (See
http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2
<http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2&featureno=8>
&featureno=8 )."
I realized this was confusing. The GRT 2000 package only comes with CHT and
EGT sensors, though the box is capable of a lot more. You have to add any
other sensors to the cost.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Biennial Flight Review |
How do Kitfoxers get a BFR, assuming you are flying on a PPL? Or do we need
one?
I assume one would do the flight review in one's own Kitfox but I've been to
a few airports and it is difficult to find a CFI with a taildragger rating,
no less one that is willing to hop into an Experimental Light Sport.
I personally could probably get a refresher in some bigger Pipers (I like
the Archer<g>) and that qualifies for all "lesser" types, but how about you
guys that only fly the Kitfox, or only fly as a Sport Pilot?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Biennial Flight Review |
I'm planning on getting my BFR in my Kitfox, with the guy who taught
me to fly in it, unless I have to get the BFR from someone who was
not involved in my training...I'll have to look that rule/law up, I
guess...and that's coming up this month.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are go, and I'm back
to flying.
On Oct 5, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
> How do Kitfoxers get a BFR, assuming you are flying on a PPL? Or do
> we need one?
>
> I assume one would do the flight review in one's own Kitfox but
> I've been to a few airports and it is difficult to find a CFI with
> a taildragger rating, no less one that is willing to hop into an
> Experimental Light Sport.
>
> I personally could probably get a refresher in some bigger Pipers
> (I like the Archer<g>) and that qualifies for all "lesser" types,
> but how about you guys that only fly the Kitfox, or only fly as a
> Sport Pilot?
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement |
Luis,
I mounted mine behind the oil tank. Picture attached.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement
>
> [quote]
> I did the same thing on my IV. I removed the conventional carb heat box
> and scat tubing, replacing it with electric carb heaters, and installed
> two K&N RU-1820 filters. Attached is a picture of the right side. [quote]
>
> Thanks Kieth. Your installation looks similar to mine in the amount of
> room you have. Unfortunately, the air filters I picked up are larger than
> yours. Here's a link to the picture:
>
> http://store.leadingedgeairfoils.com/product_info.php?products_id=5368
>
> I took a look at the installation manual and I noticed that they list a
> maximum distance that the overflow bottle may be located below the
> expansion tank. It doesn't say anything about locating above the expansion
> tank. Anyone know if there's a problem with this?
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7451#207451
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Biennial Flight Review |
There are instructors around that will fly with you in a Kitfox. I'm a
CFII, and I'd do it if you were anywhere near Wilburton, OK.
John Hart
KF IV NSI Subaru
Wilburton, OK
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Biennial Flight Review
How do Kitfoxers get a BFR, assuming you are flying on a PPL? Or do we need
one?
I assume one would do the flight review in one's own Kitfox but I've been to
a few airports and it is difficult to find a CFI with a taildragger rating,
no less one that is willing to hop into an Experimental Light Sport.
I personally could probably get a refresher in some bigger Pipers (I like
the Archer<g>) and that qualifies for all "lesser" types, but how about you
guys that only fly the Kitfox, or only fly as a Sport Pilot?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement |
Thanks Lowell. I was afraid I'd have to squeeze it back in there somewhere. It's
nice to have confirmation. Two questions though:
Is your attached to the firewall or the oil tank support? It didn't occur to me
until I saw your picture but attaching it to the oil tank support would save
me having to drill through the firewall.
Also, what's with the scat tubing going to the front of the motor? Vent for the
cockpit?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Biennial Flight Review |
Does your kitfox have a gyro in the panel? During all the flight reviews I have
taken the instructor put the dreaded hood on me. I don't know if that is required,
but the airplane needs to have a gyro of some sort for that. The last
review I took was in a Stinson with just a turn rate indicator and ball for instrument
reference, but that was enough to do the hood work.
I plan to go back to the same instructor for my next review, due next month. He
also has a sport cub now. I have just finished my first two years as a tail
wheel pilot and want to get some instruction on improving my landings during
the review.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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On Sun, October 5, 2008 4:59 am, Bruce Jolene wrote:
>
> What size of battery is recommended for the Ktfox III in cold cranking amps?
>
There's more to sizing a battery than starter loads.
Your source for this is Bob Nuckolls of the Aero-Electric Connection:
<http://www.aeroelectric.com/>
Here's a list of some of the relevant articles on that site.
<http://tinyurl.com/4urcc4>
Briefly, Bob's recommendation is to determine first the total battery reserve you
need
in ampere-hours. Then use two (smaller) batteries each with about half that capacity.
Then you stagger the replacement of the batteries for half the useful life. So
if the
useful life for 60% capacity is 3 years then you replace one of the batteries every
18
months. Then you always have the determined electrical reserve to operate should
the
alternator fail.
The starter requirement will likely be met using this sizing scheme but once that
is
determined, verify that you have enough with the two batteries.
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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| Subject: | looking for a right doo for a classic 4 |
That was option # 2
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: looking for a right doo for a classic 4
At 07:09 AM 10/4/2008, you wrote:
>I am looking for a right door that I can modify to use for taking pictures.
>If anybody had an extra they are willing to part with please let me know
I know it's not my business, but I was wondering why you don't just
fly with the door off? One of our guys built little 4" windscreens
which he attached to the camlocs and window frame fasteners just in
front of the doors and had buffet-free doors-off flying, perfect for
pictures.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement |
Mine was attached to the firewall. I do like the idea of attaching it to
the tank mount. The scat tubing was for a cabin heater I made. It worked
better for ventilation as heating 30 air from outside is not very efficient
vs. heating ever warmer cabin air in the conventional heater set-up. I did
have a valve on the coolant inlet and a way to control the air flow.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement
>
> Thanks Lowell. I was afraid I'd have to squeeze it back in there
> somewhere. It's nice to have confirmation. Two questions though:
>
> Is your attached to the firewall or the oil tank support? It didn't occur
> to me until I saw your picture but attaching it to the oil tank support
> would save me having to drill through the firewall.
>
> Also, what's with the scat tubing going to the front of the motor? Vent
> for the cockpit?
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7475#207475
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 |
Guy Buchanan wrote:
> At 07:09 AM 10/4/2008, you wrote:
>
> > I am looking for a right door that I can modify to use for taking pictures.
> > If anybody had an extra they are willing to part with please let me know
> >
> >
>
> I know it's not my business, but I was wondering why you don't just
> fly with the door off? One of our guys built little 4" windscreens
> which he attached to the camlocs and window frame fasteners just in
> front of the doors and had buffet-free doors-off flying, perfect for pictures.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
Guy, can you elaborate on these little windscreens? Sounds like a cool option.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Biennial Flight Review |
I fly with a sport pilot licence=2C and I got my last BFI in a Champ. Will
probably do my next one in my Avid. Jim Chuk Mn
From: matronics@bob.brennan.nameTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfo
x-List: Biennial Flight ReviewDate: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 18:37:26 -0400
How do Kitfoxers get a BFR=2C assuming you are flying on a PPL? Or do we ne
ed one?
I assume one would do the flight review in one's own Kitfox but I've been t
o a few airports and it is difficult to find a CFI with a taildragger ratin
g=2C no less one that is willing to hop into an Experimental Light Sport.
I personally could probably get a refresher in some bigger Pipers (I like t
he Archer<g>) and that qualifies for all "lesser" types=2C but how about yo
u guys that only fly the Kitfox=2C or only fly as a Sport Pilot?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Biennial Flight Review |
When I was training my instructor had me fly for about fifteen minutes with
a blindfold on... (C172) It was pretty hairy until I remembered about the
old thing of flying by the seat of your pants... literally concentrating on
my Duff I was able to straighten the plane out and realizing the sun was in
the south west part of the sky I was able to maintain a relatively
consistent heading (NW). My altitude did vary by over a thousand feet in
the duration of the flight but I did start at 5000'; and ended up at 4800
ft. The instructor said the lowest I got was above 4000 ft and the highest
was 5500'. Oh yes the idea was to try to completely disorient me...
Didn't work.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:33 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Biennial Flight Review
Does your kitfox have a gyro in the panel? During all the flight reviews I
have taken the instructor put the dreaded hood on me. I don't know if that
is required, but the airplane needs to have a gyro of some sort for that.
The last review I took was in a Stinson with just a turn rate indicator and
ball for instrument reference, but that was enough to do the hood work.
I plan to go back to the same instructor for my next review, due next month.
He also has a sport cub now. I have just finished my first two years as a
tail wheel pilot and want to get some instruction on improving my landings
during the review.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Reservoir |
If you use the hoseclamp style EGT probes=2C all you have to do is drill tw
o 3/16" holes in the Y pipe. Not hard at all.
Just need the right distance which if I remember right is 100 MM from the p
iston. Double check that dimention though.
Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building Avid MK IV flying Mn
From: matronics@bob.brennan.nameTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: K
itfox-List: 582 Oil ReservoirDate: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 13:57:14 -0400
Hi Guy=2C
Thanks for that info. I went to the Grand Rapids site first and saw that th
ey sell the EIS 2000 as a stand-alone unit
EIS-2002
2 Cylinder - Two Stroke monitor=2C EIS only=2C no probes
$373and a wide variety of sensors=2C but obviously you need to know what to
order. ACS sells a "kit" and state "Specify engine and aircraft makes and
models" and "Systems include probes and pre-wired cables". I went to the AC
S website contact-us page and stated the unit I want plus the Kitfox plus 5
82 info and asked specifically what sensors/senders come with the kit. Let'
s see what they say.
I am rethinking the fuel sender due to the price=2C I can always add it on
at a later date. The problem is that I have always been uneasy about fuel m
anagement - when I got the plane the only fuel level indication was the dis
colored slit-in-the-dash=2C a "reserve" level switch that had been disconne
cted=2C and a wing tank that hadn't been used in years due to seam leaks. I
sloshed the wing tank=2C replaced the tube from it with clear so I could s
ee flow=2C put in a sight tube for the main tank=2C am replacing the still-
leaky fittings on the wing tank=2C and reconnected the reserve warning ligh
t. But on days like today when I flew for 40 minutes and the sight tube is
about the same before and after - the prospect of being able to measure fue
l flow is attractive. More STUFF to put my mind at ease=2C although the sig
ht tube should be the most reliable=2C assuming gravity doesn't fail. Heck
if gravity stopped working I wouldn't need fuel anyway!
Attaching the EGT sensors is a concern - the manifolds are pretty tiny. I a
ssume one drills a hole and uses the clamp to hold the sensor in place insi
de the manifold? Any probe more than an inch long might be a problem(?)
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy BuchananSent: 05 October 2008 11:00 amTo
: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir
At 07:26 AM 10/5/2008=2C you wrote:
I am looking at the Grand Rapids EIS to replace my impossible-to-diagnose t
emp gauge and missing EGT=2C on your recommendation and the fact that for m
y money I get more STUFF.It's always nice to get more STUFF. Looks like you
have the right attitude. =3B-)
I am looking at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/eisjabiru.php
2 Stroke=2C 2 Cylinder 2000 10-28000 $476.95EIS Fuel Flow Option ---- 10-28
004 $365.95but how can I be sure it will work on my 582 grey head? I checke
d the exhaust manifold - no bosses boss=2C as far as I can see. That's simi
lar to the one I have. (It appears to have some new functions.) However=2C
I'd check with GRT ( http://www.grtavionics.com) to make sure you get exact
ly what you want. They won't care if you buy from Spruce. I also wouldn't b
uy the fuel flow=2C unless you really want more STUFF. These things burn fu
el so slowly that management is pretty easy.
The page on ACS says "Specify engine and aircraft makes and models=2C stand
ard systems furnished with gasket type CHT senders and hose clamp type EGT
senders." so I am optimistic (I'm a fuel-tank-half-full kinda guy) that the
probes will fit with minor machining=2C since I'm more of a woodworker tha
n metalworker. Any advice/experience anyone can offer?Hopefully someone wi
ll chime in who's used the strap on EGT probes on a 582. I'm not sure it wi
ll work because of the shape of the exhaust manifold. However it should be
easy to have a local shop weld on some bosses. I can give you my measuremen
ts if you want to go that way.Note also that you only get CHT and EGT senso
rs with the GRT. You'll have to at least add water temp=2C plus any other f
unctions you want. (See http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno
=2&featureno=8 ).
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Reservoir |
At 06:46 PM 10/5/2008, you wrote:
>If you use the hoseclamp style EGT probes, all you have to do is
>drill two 3/16" holes in the Y pipe.
Yes, drilling the holes is easy. I can't picture the clamp,
though. How'd you do that?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 |
At 06:15 PM 10/5/2008, you wrote:
>Guy, can you elaborate on these little windscreens? Sounds like a
>cool option.
Well, he took some .090" Lexan, (or whichever one is heat
formable, I don't remember,) and heat formed a roughly 36" long, 135
degree angle with 2" legs along the fuselage and 4" legs extending
into the air-stream angled back about 45 degrees. The tool he used to
form accommodated the change in angle between the windscreen and cowl
sides along the front door post. He then used the cowl camlocs and
windscreen attach screws to hold it on. Unfortunately it was not
easily exchanged for doors. I suppose you could do a fairly easy
installation by putting additional camloc receptacles in the
windscreen and cowl, but they might be a little too ugly. One of
these days I'm going to do it cleanly, but it's low on the list.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Reservoir |
At 10:57 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote:
>Thanks for that info. I went to the Grand Rapids site first and saw
>that they sell the EIS 2000 as a stand-alone unit
>EIS-2002 2 Cylinder - Two Stroke monitor, EIS only, no probes $373
>and a wide variety of sensors, but obviously you need to know what to order.
They have another page "Packages"
(http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2&featureno=12)
that lists the package ACS is probably selling.
>Attaching the EGT sensors is a concern - the manifolds are pretty
>tiny. I assume one drills a hole and uses the clamp to hold the
>sensor in place inside the manifold? Any probe more than an inch
>long might be a problem(?)
All of the probes are variable length, (depth,) so that
shouldn't be a problem. The problem is that my probes come in from
the top in the throat of the "Y" and I don't see how you'd hold them
in with hose clamps, as you would on a tubular header. By the way,
did you check both sides, (top and bottom,) of the header? Stupid
question, I know, but just checking- some headers are mounted the other way.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Biennial Flight Review |
At 03:37 PM 10/5/2008, you wrote:
>How do Kitfoxers get a BFR, assuming you are flying on a PPL? Or do
>we need one?
Yes you need one, and you should have no trouble getting any
CFI to do it. Remember they're not doing flight training, are not
pilot-in-command, and don't need to save your bacon. (I hope.) They
should just be along for a pleasant ride asking you to show your
stuff; which you do know, right?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
How do you bleed the RV oil properly? I don't see any reference to it in CP
S manual/catalog.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue hea
d> From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> Date: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 08:40:25 -0700> To
<akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>> > well it is worse than that... if you dont blee
d the rv oil properly=2Cit will eat the brass gear in about 15 minutes. The
seal has some grease on it so it will last. It is easy to change=2C just m
ake sure you get the right tool to pound out the rv shaft so you dont bugge
r up the threads on the water pump. > > >From what I have read in this thre
ad you were just talking about replacing the stock seal and not upgrading t
o the ceramic seal correct?> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> Leonard Perry> Sol
dotna AK> Avid "=3BC"=3B / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95
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| Subject: | Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
How do you bleed the RV oil properly? I don't see any reference to it in CP
S manual/catalog.
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue hea
d> From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> Date: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 08:40:25 -0700> To
<akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>> > well it is worse than that... if you dont blee
d the rv oil properly=2Cit will eat the brass gear in about 15 minutes. The
seal has some grease on it so it will last. It is easy to change=2C just m
ake sure you get the right tool to pound out the rv shaft so you dont bugge
r up the threads on the water pump. > > >From what I have read in this thre
ad you were just talking about replacing the stock seal and not upgrading t
o the ceramic seal correct?> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> Leonard Perry> Sol
dotna AK> Avid "=3BC"=3B / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95
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| Subject: | 582 Oil Reservoir |
Sorry if someone beat me to the answer=2C but picture a Y The holes are in
the two upper arms of the Y. The probe goes through a hole in the hosecl
amp=2C into the hole in the Y and the clamp is tightened arould that arm of
the Y. Same thing on the other upper arm of the Y pipe. Hope that makes
sence. If you saw it it would be obvious immediatly. Jim Chuk 4 building
MN> Date: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 19:15:23 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com>
From: bnn@nethere.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir> > -->
Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>> > At 06:46 P
M 10/5/2008=2C you wrote:> >If you use the hoseclamp style EGT probes=2C al
l you have to do is > >drill two 3/16" holes in the Y pipe.> > Yes=2C drill
ing the holes is easy. I can't picture the clamp=2C > though. How'd you do
that?> > > Guy Buchanan> San Diego=2C CA> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% d
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| Subject: | Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head |
Look in Part 30 of the CPS Proper care and feeding. The second to the last
paragraph in that section covers it. If you look at photo 9=2C you see th
e small bleed screw=2C it is centered betweed the two nuts in the picture a
nd directly accross from the fluid inlet on the oposite side of the engine.
The 532 doesn't have this bleed screw. This is especially important on a
n inverted engine like the Avid uses to get the air out. I hooked a long h
ose onto the lower hose fitting and filled it with oil=2C then held it up h
igher than the other fitting so oil and air would go back up into the bottl
e. Keep doing it till no more air comes out. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building
Mn
From: patreilly43@hotmail.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitf
ox-List: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue headDate: Mon=2C 6 Oct 2008 03:3
7:53 +0000
How do you bleed the RV oil properly? I don't see any reference to it in CP
S manual/catalog.do not archivePat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> S
ubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head> From: akflyer_
2000@yahoo.com> Date: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 08:40:25 -0700> To: kitfox-list@mat
hoo.com>> > well it is worse than that... if you dont bleed the rv oil prop
erly=2Cit will eat the brass gear in about 15 minutes. The seal has some gr
ease on it so it will last. It is easy to change=2C just make sure you get
the right tool to pound out the rv shaft so you dont bugger up the threads
on the water pump. > > >From what I have read in this thread you were just
talking about replacing the stock seal and not upgrading to the ceramic sea
l correct?> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> Leonard Perry> Soldotna AK> Avid &q
uot=3BC"=3B / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95% complete> > > >
> Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.ph
p?p 7436#207436> > > > > > <==============
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