---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/05/08: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:59 AM - Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement (n61kf) 2. 05:01 AM - Battery (Bruce Jolene) 3. 05:03 AM - Re: Rotax 912UL no start (Bruce Jolene) 4. 05:56 AM - Re: Trip to High Valley Resort in Suches, GA: Oct 9-12 (FlyboyTR) 5. 07:28 AM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Bob Brennan) 6. 07:34 AM - Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 (Guy Buchanan) 7. 07:46 AM - Re: Battery (Guy Buchanan) 8. 08:01 AM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Guy Buchanan) 9. 08:04 AM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Guy Buchanan) 10. 08:11 AM - Re: First Flight (Weiss Richard) 11. 08:34 AM - Re: First Flight (Jim Corner) 12. 08:40 AM - Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head (akflyer) 13. 10:59 AM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Bob Brennan) 14. 01:19 PM - Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement (wingnut) 15. 01:39 PM - Ivo propellers (jerry evans) 16. 01:55 PM - Re: First Flight (jerry evans) 17. 03:31 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Bob Brennan) 18. 03:37 PM - Biennial Flight Review (Bob Brennan) 19. 04:28 PM - Re: Biennial Flight Review (Lynn Matteson) 20. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement (Lowell Fitt) 21. 04:32 PM - Re: Biennial Flight Review (John W. Hart) 22. 04:40 PM - Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement (wingnut) 23. 05:03 PM - Re: Biennial Flight Review (Tom Jones) 24. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Biennial Flight Review (Larry Huntley) 25. 05:54 PM - Re: Battery (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) 26. 06:02 PM - Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 (kirk hull) 27. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement (Lowell Fitt) 28. 06:15 PM - Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 (Tom Jones) 29. 06:28 PM - Re: Biennial Flight Review (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 30. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: Biennial Flight Review (Noel Loveys) 31. 06:47 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 32. 07:19 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Guy Buchanan) 33. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 (Guy Buchanan) 34. 07:19 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Guy Buchanan) 35. 07:19 PM - Re: Biennial Flight Review (Guy Buchanan) 36. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head (patrick reilly) 37. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head (patrick reilly) 38. 09:04 PM - Re: 582 Oil Reservoir (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 39. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:33 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement From: "n61kf" Lewis, I did the same thing on my IV. I removed the conventional carb heat box and scat tubing, replacing it with electric carb heaters, and installed two K&N RU-1820 filters. Attached is a picture of the right side. Keith Schneider Model IV / 912 Waynesville OH -------- Keith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7408#207408 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imgp1372_195.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:18 AM PST US From: "Bruce Jolene" Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery What size of battery is recommended for the Ktfox III in cold cranking amps? Bruce Kitfox III 490PA ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:46 AM PST US From: "Bruce Jolene" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912UL no start Check for loose wires at the ignition module. You might check wires going to and from your mag switches. I had a similar problem and it was loose wiring connections. Bruce Kitfox III ----- Original Message ----- From: "rcsfca" Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912UL no start > > Well, brainiacs, I've got a puzzle for you in the Rotax ignition > department. > > We last flew the KF (a 1993 Model IV - 1200) in June/08, ten hours of > flying over two days, from Arizona to its new home in the San Francisco > Bay Area. Wonderful flying, no hiccups. Fuel was and still is 100LL. The > plane and engine now have 273 hours TT (yes, it's that low, but we know > its history very well, so there's no issues about misrepresented use, > etc.). > > Until last Saturday, neither the plane nor the engine had moved since > June. We had it in the hangar, working on the gear and the brakes. I also > installed a Battery Minder from VDC in July but that was the only > electrical/mechanical change involving the power system. > > Last Saturday, we rolled it out, topped off the 100LL, and she started > after 20 or 30 seconds of engine-turning but ran rough, as though running > on less than 4 cylinders. After about a minute or so, we shut it down and > it hasn't started since, and we're goin' nuts trying to figure it out. > Cranking, cranking, cranking. Lots of battery but no start. > > Fuel system is solid - I opened the float bowl on each carb and they were > full of fuel. We tried a bit of starting fluid in each carb throat. No > luck. > > I looked at the plugs on two of the cylinders and both were very good > looking, light tan with no signs of fouling, and the electrodes were very > square with no wear. > > I then got a spark plug wire tester to see if there was any juice getting > to the plugs and the tester indicated NO spark. I then looked carefully at > the ignition module wiring to see if there were any apparent wiring > problems like bad grounds. Nothing was evident. > > So now I have to turn to the forum for insights and others' experience. Do > the ignition units go belly up without warning? Am I overlooking > something? Ideas? > > Thanks, > > Rich Cunningham > SF Bay Area > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7391#207391 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trip to High Valley Resort in Suches, GA: Oct 9-12 From: "FlyboyTR" Just a reminder for any Fox's looking for an adventure. We will be arriving at High Valley Resort (Suches, GA...north of Atlanta) this coming Thursday before noon. www.highvalleyresort.com HVR is a great place to fly to...perfect for a Kitfox. Please let me know if you plan to join us or would like more info. Travis :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop ADI-II Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7415#207415 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:45 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir Guy, or anybody else that can answer, I am looking at the Grand Rapids EIS to replace my impossible-to-diagnose temp gauge and missing EGT, on your recommendation and the fact that for my money I get more STUFF. I am looking at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/eisjabiru.php 2 Stroke, 2 Cylinder 2000 10-28000 $476.95 EIS Fuel Flow Option ---- 10-28004 $365.95 but how can I be sure it will work on my 582 grey head? I checked the exhaust manifold - no bosses boss, as far as I can see. The page on ACS says "Specify engine and aircraft makes and models, standard systems furnished with gasket type CHT senders and hose clamp type EGT senders." so I am optimistic (I'm a fuel-tank-half-full kinda guy) that the probes will fit with minor machining, since I'm more of a woodworker than metalworker. Any advice/experience anyone can offer? Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: 01 October 2008 3:30 pm Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir At 09:31 AM 9/30/2008, you wrote: EGT gauges - I looked on AircraftSpruce.com and there is a wide range of types and prices. Can you (or anyone on the list) give recommendations for my gray head 582 please. Also - what sensors and where do they mount? I use the Grand Rapids Technologies EIS system for engine data. I love it as it has an alarm system that whacks me in the head (visually) when my EGT's go over red-line; (or anything else for that matter.) The easiest EGT probe to install would be the P-110 hose clamp mount. Mine are P-111 mounted via a 1/8" NPT to 1/8" compression fitting screwed into the exhaust manifold. Check your exhaust manifold. It should have two bosses welded on the top or bottom about 2" from the engine flange. These are for the EGT probes. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:43 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 At 07:09 AM 10/4/2008, you wrote: >I am looking for a right door that I can modify to use for taking pictures. >If anybody had an extra they are willing to part with please let me know I know it's not my business, but I was wondering why you don't just fly with the door off? One of our guys built little 4" windscreens which he attached to the camlocs and window frame fasteners just in front of the doors and had buffet-free doors-off flying, perfect for pictures. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:10 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery At 04:59 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote: >What size of battery is recommended for the Ktfox III in cold cranking amps? Bruce, You don't say what engine. (That's why we put all that stuff in the signature.) I use an 18ah sealed lead acid battery (http://www.batterymart.com/p-12v-18ah-sealed-lead-acid-battery-1.html) in my IV with a 582. It works well. I couldn't find the CCA for it, though. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:59 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir At 07:26 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote: >I am looking at the Grand Rapids EIS to replace my >impossible-to-diagnose temp gauge and missing EGT, on your >recommendation and the fact that for my money I get more STUFF. It's always nice to get more STUFF. Looks like you have the right attitude. ;-) >I am looking at >http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/eisjabiru.php >2 Stroke, 2 Cylinder 2000 10-28000 $476.95 >EIS Fuel Flow Option ---- 10-28004 $365.95 >but how can I be sure it will work on my 582 grey head? I checked >the exhaust manifold - no bosses boss, as far as I can see. That's similar to the one I have. (It appears to have some new functions.) However, I'd check with GRT (http://www.grtavionics.com) to make sure you get exactly what you want. They won't care if you buy from Spruce. I also wouldn't buy the fuel flow, unless you really want more STUFF. These things burn fuel so slowly that management is pretty easy. > >The page on ACS says "Specify engine and aircraft makes and models, >standard systems furnished with gasket type CHT senders and hose >clamp type EGT senders." so I am optimistic (I'm a >fuel-tank-half-full kinda guy) that the probes will fit with minor >machining, since I'm more of a woodworker than metalworker. > >Any advice/experience anyone can offer? Hopefully someone will chime in who's used the strap on EGT probes on a 582. I'm not sure it will work because of the shape of the exhaust manifold. However it should be easy to have a local shop weld on some bosses. I can give you my measurements if you want to go that way. Note also that you only get CHT and EGT sensors with the GRT. You'll have to at least add water temp, plus any other functions you want. (See http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2&featureno=8). Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:58 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir At 07:26 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote: >Any advice/experience anyone can offer? "Note also that you only get CHT and EGT sensors with the GRT. You'll have to at least add water temp, plus any other functions you want. (See http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2&featureno=8)." I realized this was confusing. The GRT 2000 package only comes with CHT and EGT sensors, though the box is capable of a lot more. You have to add any other sensors to the cost. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:23 AM PST US From: Weiss Richard Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight Jim, Congratulations! It's a beautiful aircraft, blue skies. Rick Weiss Series V Speedster, 912S Power, SkyStar S/N 1 MDKitfox@aol.com On Oct 4, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Jim Corner wrote: > Finally after 3 1/2 years my Model five flew today! > > A short uneventful flight, now I can get down to some serious flying. > > > > IMGP2907.JPG > > > Jim Corner > Model 2, 582,. Ivo med !FA, 1100 hrs > Model 5 under construction > Calgary, AB > > 

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It is easy to change, just make sure you get the right tool to pound out the rv shaft so you dont bugger up the threads on the water pump. >From what I have read in this thread you were just talking about replacing the stock seal and not upgrading to the ceramic seal correct? -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7436#207436 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:17 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir Hi Guy, Thanks for that info. I went to the Grand Rapids site first and saw that they sell the EIS 2000 as a stand-alone unit EIS-2002 2 Cylinder - Two Stroke monitor, EIS only, no probes $373 and a wide variety of sensors, but obviously you need to know what to order. ACS sells a "kit" and state "Specify engine and aircraft makes and models" and "Systems include probes and pre-wired cables". I went to the ACS website contact-us page and stated the unit I want plus the Kitfox plus 582 info and asked specifically what sensors/senders come with the kit. Let's see what they say. I am rethinking the fuel sender due to the price, I can always add it on at a later date. The problem is that I have always been uneasy about fuel management - when I got the plane the only fuel level indication was the discolored slit-in-the-dash, a "reserve" level switch that had been disconnected, and a wing tank that hadn't been used in years due to seam leaks. I sloshed the wing tank, replaced the tube from it with clear so I could see flow, put in a sight tube for the main tank, am replacing the still-leaky fittings on the wing tank, and reconnected the reserve warning light. But on days like today when I flew for 40 minutes and the sight tube is about the same before and after - the prospect of being able to measure fuel flow is attractive. More STUFF to put my mind at ease, although the sight tube should be the most reliable, assuming gravity doesn't fail. Heck if gravity stopped working I wouldn't need fuel anyway! Attaching the EGT sensors is a concern - the manifolds are pretty tiny. I assume one drills a hole and uses the clamp to hold the sensor in place inside the manifold? Any probe more than an inch long might be a problem(?) Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: 05 October 2008 11:00 am Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir At 07:26 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote: I am looking at the Grand Rapids EIS to replace my impossible-to-diagnose temp gauge and missing EGT, on your recommendation and the fact that for my money I get more STUFF. It's always nice to get more STUFF. Looks like you have the right attitude. ;-) I am looking at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/eisjabiru.php 2 Stroke, 2 Cylinder 2000 10-28000 $476.95 EIS Fuel Flow Option ---- 10-28004 $365.95 but how can I be sure it will work on my 582 grey head? I checked the exhaust manifold - no bosses boss, as far as I can see. That's similar to the one I have. (It appears to have some new functions.) However, I'd check with GRT ( http://www.grtavionics.com) to make sure you get exactly what you want. They won't care if you buy from Spruce. I also wouldn't buy the fuel flow, unless you really want more STUFF. These things burn fuel so slowly that management is pretty easy. The page on ACS says "Specify engine and aircraft makes and models, standard systems furnished with gasket type CHT senders and hose clamp type EGT senders." so I am optimistic (I'm a fuel-tank-half-full kinda guy) that the probes will fit with minor machining, since I'm more of a woodworker than metalworker. Any advice/experience anyone can offer? Hopefully someone will chime in who's used the strap on EGT probes on a 582. I'm not sure it will work because of the shape of the exhaust manifold. However it should be easy to have a local shop weld on some bosses. I can give you my measurements if you want to go that way. Note also that you only get CHT and EGT sensors with the GRT. You'll have to at least add water temp, plus any other functions you want. (See http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2 &featureno=8 ). Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:18 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement From: "wingnut" [quote] I did the same thing on my IV. I removed the conventional carb heat box and scat tubing, replacing it with electric carb heaters, and installed two K&N RU-1820 filters. Attached is a picture of the right side. [quote] Thanks Kieth. Your installation looks similar to mine in the amount of room you have. Unfortunately, the air filters I picked up are larger than yours. Here's a link to the picture: http://store.leadingedgeairfoils.com/product_info.php?products_id=5368 I took a look at the installation manual and I noticed that they list a maximum distance that the overflow bottle may be located below the expansion tank. It doesn't say anything about locating above the expansion tank. Anyone know if there's a problem with this? -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7451#207451 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:29 PM PST US From: jerry evans Subject: Kitfox-List: Ivo propellers Does anyone have a Medium two blade-IVO prop for a 582 hanging around in your hanger that you might want to sell? Thanks- Jerry Jerry Evans KitfoxII Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:15 PM PST US From: jerry evans Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight Congrats on that first flight Jim !!-- On your Model 2 how do you like that IVO prop- do you have a c box 3:1 also?- e me back at KITFOX555@sb cglobal.net let me know how it works for you-, I'm looking to get into on e-- Thanks- Jerry Jerry Evans KitfoxII Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Lynn Matteson wrote: From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight Congratulations, Jim....I know the feeling, and it only gets better. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are go, or nearly so... do not archive On Oct 4, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Jim Corner wrote: > Finally after 3 1/2 years my Model five flew today! > > A short uneventful flight, now I can get down to some serious flying. > > > Jim Corner > Model 2, 582,. Ivo med !FA, 1100 hrs > Model 5 under construction > Calgary, AB ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:51 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir The GRT 2000 from what source Guy? The Grand Rapids website charges $373 and states "EIS only, no probes". The ACS website charges $476.95 and states "Systems include probes and pre-wired cables" It goes on to state what kind of CHT and EGT probes come as standard and that threaded senders are available at additional cost, but nothing about other sensors required to make it work. Although the price difference is the price of 2 CHT and 2 EGT probes on the GRT site... "2-stroke models provide tach, dual EGT, dual CHT, fluid temperature, auxiliary input, hourmeter, flight timer, voltmeter and outside air temperature" - tach, fluid temperature, and outside air temp are not much use without sensors! I have an email in to ACS asking specifics, and will call tomorrow if they don't respond right away. Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: 05 October 2008 11:05 am Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir At 07:26 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote: Any advice/experience anyone can offer? "Note also that you only get CHT and EGT sensors with the GRT. You'll have to at least add water temp, plus any other functions you want. (See http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2 &featureno=8 )." I realized this was confusing. The GRT 2000 package only comes with CHT and EGT sensors, though the box is capable of a lot more. You have to add any other sensors to the cost. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:50 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: Kitfox-List: Biennial Flight Review How do Kitfoxers get a BFR, assuming you are flying on a PPL? Or do we need one? I assume one would do the flight review in one's own Kitfox but I've been to a few airports and it is difficult to find a CFI with a taildragger rating, no less one that is willing to hop into an Experimental Light Sport. I personally could probably get a refresher in some bigger Pipers (I like the Archer) and that qualifies for all "lesser" types, but how about you guys that only fly the Kitfox, or only fly as a Sport Pilot? Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:16 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Biennial Flight Review I'm planning on getting my BFR in my Kitfox, with the guy who taught me to fly in it, unless I have to get the BFR from someone who was not involved in my training...I'll have to look that rule/law up, I guess...and that's coming up this month. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are go, and I'm back to flying. On Oct 5, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Bob Brennan wrote: > How do Kitfoxers get a BFR, assuming you are flying on a PPL? Or do > we need one? > > I assume one would do the flight review in one's own Kitfox but > I've been to a few airports and it is difficult to find a CFI with > a taildragger rating, no less one that is willing to hop into an > Experimental Light Sport. > > I personally could probably get a refresher in some bigger Pipers > (I like the Archer) and that qualifies for all "lesser" types, > but how about you guys that only fly the Kitfox, or only fly as a > Sport Pilot? > > Bob Brennan - N717GB > 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox > Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop > Wrightsville Pa > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:16 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement Luis, I mounted mine behind the oil tank. Picture attached. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "wingnut" Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement > > [quote] > I did the same thing on my IV. I removed the conventional carb heat box > and scat tubing, replacing it with electric carb heaters, and installed > two K&N RU-1820 filters. Attached is a picture of the right side. [quote] > > Thanks Kieth. Your installation looks similar to mine in the amount of > room you have. Unfortunately, the air filters I picked up are larger than > yours. Here's a link to the picture: > > http://store.leadingedgeairfoils.com/product_info.php?products_id=5368 > > I took a look at the installation manual and I noticed that they list a > maximum distance that the overflow bottle may be located below the > expansion tank. It doesn't say anything about locating above the expansion > tank. Anyone know if there's a problem with this? > > -------- > Luis Rodriguez > Model IV 1200 > Rotax 912UL > Flying Weekly > Laurens, SC (34A) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7451#207451 > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:44 PM PST US From: "John W. Hart" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Biennial Flight Review There are instructors around that will fly with you in a Kitfox. I'm a CFII, and I'd do it if you were anywhere near Wilburton, OK. John Hart KF IV NSI Subaru Wilburton, OK From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Biennial Flight Review How do Kitfoxers get a BFR, assuming you are flying on a PPL? Or do we need one? I assume one would do the flight review in one's own Kitfox but I've been to a few airports and it is difficult to find a CFI with a taildragger rating, no less one that is willing to hop into an Experimental Light Sport. I personally could probably get a refresher in some bigger Pipers (I like the Archer) and that qualifies for all "lesser" types, but how about you guys that only fly the Kitfox, or only fly as a Sport Pilot? Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:15 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement From: "wingnut" Thanks Lowell. I was afraid I'd have to squeeze it back in there somewhere. It's nice to have confirmation. Two questions though: Is your attached to the firewall or the oil tank support? It didn't occur to me until I saw your picture but attaching it to the oil tank support would save me having to drill through the firewall. Also, what's with the scat tubing going to the front of the motor? Vent for the cockpit? -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7475#207475 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:44 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Biennial Flight Review From: "Tom Jones" Does your kitfox have a gyro in the panel? During all the flight reviews I have taken the instructor put the dreaded hood on me. I don't know if that is required, but the airplane needs to have a gyro of some sort for that. The last review I took was in a Stinson with just a turn rate indicator and ball for instrument reference, but that was enough to do the hood work. I plan to go back to the same instructor for my next review, due next month. He also has a sport cub now. I have just finished my first two years as a tail wheel pilot and want to get some instruction on improving my landings during the review. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7481#207481 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:42 PM PST US From: "Larry Huntley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Biennial Flight Review ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." On Sun, October 5, 2008 4:59 am, Bruce Jolene wrote: > > What size of battery is recommended for the Ktfox III in cold cranking amps? > There's more to sizing a battery than starter loads. Your source for this is Bob Nuckolls of the Aero-Electric Connection: Here's a list of some of the relevant articles on that site. Briefly, Bob's recommendation is to determine first the total battery reserve you need in ampere-hours. Then use two (smaller) batteries each with about half that capacity. Then you stagger the replacement of the batteries for half the useful life. So if the useful life for 60% capacity is 3 years then you replace one of the batteries every 18 months. Then you always have the determined electrical reserve to operate should the alternator fail. The starter requirement will likely be met using this sizing scheme but once that is determined, verify that you have enough with the two batteries. -- Paul A. Franz, P.E. PAF Consulting Engineers Office 425.440.9505 Cell 425.241.1618 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:01 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 That was option # 2 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 At 07:09 AM 10/4/2008, you wrote: >I am looking for a right door that I can modify to use for taking pictures. >If anybody had an extra they are willing to part with please let me know I know it's not my business, but I was wondering why you don't just fly with the door off? One of our guys built little 4" windscreens which he attached to the camlocs and window frame fasteners just in front of the doors and had buffet-free doors-off flying, perfect for pictures. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:26 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement Mine was attached to the firewall. I do like the idea of attaching it to the tank mount. The scat tubing was for a cabin heater I made. It worked better for ventilation as heating 30 air from outside is not very efficient vs. heating ever warmer cabin air in the conventional heater set-up. I did have a valve on the coolant inlet and a way to control the air flow. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "wingnut" Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Coolant overflow bottle placement > > Thanks Lowell. I was afraid I'd have to squeeze it back in there > somewhere. It's nice to have confirmation. Two questions though: > > Is your attached to the firewall or the oil tank support? It didn't occur > to me until I saw your picture but attaching it to the oil tank support > would save me having to drill through the firewall. > > Also, what's with the scat tubing going to the front of the motor? Vent > for the cockpit? > > -------- > Luis Rodriguez > Model IV 1200 > Rotax 912UL > Flying Weekly > Laurens, SC (34A) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7475#207475 > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:56 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 From: "Tom Jones" Guy Buchanan wrote: > At 07:09 AM 10/4/2008, you wrote: > > > I am looking for a right door that I can modify to use for taking pictures. > > If anybody had an extra they are willing to part with please let me know > > > > > > I know it's not my business, but I was wondering why you don't just > fly with the door off? One of our guys built little 4" windscreens > which he attached to the camlocs and window frame fasteners just in > front of the doors and had buffet-free doors-off flying, perfect for pictures. > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > Guy, can you elaborate on these little windscreens? Sounds like a cool option. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7494#207494 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:28 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Biennial Flight Review I fly with a sport pilot licence=2C and I got my last BFI in a Champ. Will probably do my next one in my Avid. Jim Chuk Mn From: matronics@bob.brennan.nameTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfo x-List: Biennial Flight ReviewDate: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 18:37:26 -0400 How do Kitfoxers get a BFR=2C assuming you are flying on a PPL? Or do we ne ed one? I assume one would do the flight review in one's own Kitfox but I've been t o a few airports and it is difficult to find a CFI with a taildragger ratin g=2C no less one that is willing to hop into an Experimental Light Sport. I personally could probably get a refresher in some bigger Pipers (I like t he Archer) and that qualifies for all "lesser" types=2C but how about yo u guys that only fly the Kitfox=2C or only fly as a Sport Pilot? Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn =9310 hidden secrets=94 from Jamie .. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:38 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Biennial Flight Review When I was training my instructor had me fly for about fifteen minutes with a blindfold on... (C172) It was pretty hairy until I remembered about the old thing of flying by the seat of your pants... literally concentrating on my Duff I was able to straighten the plane out and realizing the sun was in the south west part of the sky I was able to maintain a relatively consistent heading (NW). My altitude did vary by over a thousand feet in the duration of the flight but I did start at 5000'; and ended up at 4800 ft. The instructor said the lowest I got was above 4000 ft and the highest was 5500'. Oh yes the idea was to try to completely disorient me... Didn't work. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Biennial Flight Review Does your kitfox have a gyro in the panel? During all the flight reviews I have taken the instructor put the dreaded hood on me. I don't know if that is required, but the airplane needs to have a gyro of some sort for that. The last review I took was in a Stinson with just a turn rate indicator and ball for instrument reference, but that was enough to do the hood work. I plan to go back to the same instructor for my next review, due next month. He also has a sport cub now. I have just finished my first two years as a tail wheel pilot and want to get some instruction on improving my landings during the review. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7481#207481 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:12 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir If you use the hoseclamp style EGT probes=2C all you have to do is drill tw o 3/16" holes in the Y pipe. Not hard at all. Just need the right distance which if I remember right is 100 MM from the p iston. Double check that dimention though. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building Avid MK IV flying Mn From: matronics@bob.brennan.nameTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: K itfox-List: 582 Oil ReservoirDate: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 13:57:14 -0400 Hi Guy=2C Thanks for that info. I went to the Grand Rapids site first and saw that th ey sell the EIS 2000 as a stand-alone unit EIS-2002 2 Cylinder - Two Stroke monitor=2C EIS only=2C no probes $373and a wide variety of sensors=2C but obviously you need to know what to order. ACS sells a "kit" and state "Specify engine and aircraft makes and models" and "Systems include probes and pre-wired cables". I went to the AC S website contact-us page and stated the unit I want plus the Kitfox plus 5 82 info and asked specifically what sensors/senders come with the kit. Let' s see what they say. I am rethinking the fuel sender due to the price=2C I can always add it on at a later date. The problem is that I have always been uneasy about fuel m anagement - when I got the plane the only fuel level indication was the dis colored slit-in-the-dash=2C a "reserve" level switch that had been disconne cted=2C and a wing tank that hadn't been used in years due to seam leaks. I sloshed the wing tank=2C replaced the tube from it with clear so I could s ee flow=2C put in a sight tube for the main tank=2C am replacing the still- leaky fittings on the wing tank=2C and reconnected the reserve warning ligh t. But on days like today when I flew for 40 minutes and the sight tube is about the same before and after - the prospect of being able to measure fue l flow is attractive. More STUFF to put my mind at ease=2C although the sig ht tube should be the most reliable=2C assuming gravity doesn't fail. Heck if gravity stopped working I wouldn't need fuel anyway! Attaching the EGT sensors is a concern - the manifolds are pretty tiny. I a ssume one drills a hole and uses the clamp to hold the sensor in place insi de the manifold? Any probe more than an inch long might be a problem(?) Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy BuchananSent: 05 October 2008 11:00 amTo : kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir At 07:26 AM 10/5/2008=2C you wrote: I am looking at the Grand Rapids EIS to replace my impossible-to-diagnose t emp gauge and missing EGT=2C on your recommendation and the fact that for m y money I get more STUFF.It's always nice to get more STUFF. Looks like you have the right attitude. =3B-) I am looking at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/eisjabiru.php 2 Stroke=2C 2 Cylinder 2000 10-28000 $476.95EIS Fuel Flow Option ---- 10-28 004 $365.95but how can I be sure it will work on my 582 grey head? I checke d the exhaust manifold - no bosses boss=2C as far as I can see. That's simi lar to the one I have. (It appears to have some new functions.) However=2C I'd check with GRT ( http://www.grtavionics.com) to make sure you get exact ly what you want. They won't care if you buy from Spruce. I also wouldn't b uy the fuel flow=2C unless you really want more STUFF. These things burn fu el so slowly that management is pretty easy. The page on ACS says "Specify engine and aircraft makes and models=2C stand ard systems furnished with gasket type CHT senders and hose clamp type EGT senders." so I am optimistic (I'm a fuel-tank-half-full kinda guy) that the probes will fit with minor machining=2C since I'm more of a woodworker tha n metalworker. Any advice/experience anyone can offer?Hopefully someone wi ll chime in who's used the strap on EGT probes on a 582. I'm not sure it wi ll work because of the shape of the exhaust manifold. However it should be easy to have a local shop weld on some bosses. I can give you my measuremen ts if you want to go that way.Note also that you only get CHT and EGT senso rs with the GRT. You'll have to at least add water temp=2C plus any other f unctions you want. (See http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno =2&featureno=8 ). Guy BuchananSan Diego=2C CAK-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done=2C thanks m ostly to Bob Ducar. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows Live. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:05 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir At 06:46 PM 10/5/2008, you wrote: >If you use the hoseclamp style EGT probes, all you have to do is >drill two 3/16" holes in the Y pipe. Yes, drilling the holes is easy. I can't picture the clamp, though. How'd you do that? Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:05 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: looking for a right doo for a classic 4 At 06:15 PM 10/5/2008, you wrote: >Guy, can you elaborate on these little windscreens? Sounds like a >cool option. Well, he took some .090" Lexan, (or whichever one is heat formable, I don't remember,) and heat formed a roughly 36" long, 135 degree angle with 2" legs along the fuselage and 4" legs extending into the air-stream angled back about 45 degrees. The tool he used to form accommodated the change in angle between the windscreen and cowl sides along the front door post. He then used the cowl camlocs and windscreen attach screws to hold it on. Unfortunately it was not easily exchanged for doors. I suppose you could do a fairly easy installation by putting additional camloc receptacles in the windscreen and cowl, but they might be a little too ugly. One of these days I'm going to do it cleanly, but it's low on the list. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:06 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir At 10:57 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote: >Thanks for that info. I went to the Grand Rapids site first and saw >that they sell the EIS 2000 as a stand-alone unit >EIS-2002 2 Cylinder - Two Stroke monitor, EIS only, no probes $373 >and a wide variety of sensors, but obviously you need to know what to order. They have another page "Packages" (http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=2&featureno=12) that lists the package ACS is probably selling. >Attaching the EGT sensors is a concern - the manifolds are pretty >tiny. I assume one drills a hole and uses the clamp to hold the >sensor in place inside the manifold? Any probe more than an inch >long might be a problem(?) All of the probes are variable length, (depth,) so that shouldn't be a problem. The problem is that my probes come in from the top in the throat of the "Y" and I don't see how you'd hold them in with hose clamps, as you would on a tubular header. By the way, did you check both sides, (top and bottom,) of the header? Stupid question, I know, but just checking- some headers are mounted the other way. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:06 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Biennial Flight Review At 03:37 PM 10/5/2008, you wrote: >How do Kitfoxers get a BFR, assuming you are flying on a PPL? Or do >we need one? Yes you need one, and you should have no trouble getting any CFI to do it. Remember they're not doing flight training, are not pilot-in-command, and don't need to save your bacon. (I hope.) They should just be along for a pleasant ride asking you to show your stuff; which you do know, right? Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:14 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head How do you bleed the RV oil properly? I don't see any reference to it in CP S manual/catalog. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue hea d> From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> Date: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 08:40:25 -0700> To > > well it is worse than that... if you dont blee d the rv oil properly=2Cit will eat the brass gear in about 15 minutes. The seal has some grease on it so it will last. It is easy to change=2C just m ake sure you get the right tool to pound out the rv shaft so you dont bugge r up the threads on the water pump. > > >From what I have read in this thre ad you were just talking about replacing the stock seal and not upgrading t o the ceramic seal correct?> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> Leonard Perry> Sol dotna AK> Avid "=3BC"=3B / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95 % complete> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics ========================> _ ======================> > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:14 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head How do you bleed the RV oil properly? I don't see any reference to it in CP S manual/catalog. do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue hea d> From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> Date: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 08:40:25 -0700> To > > well it is worse than that... if you dont blee d the rv oil properly=2Cit will eat the brass gear in about 15 minutes. The seal has some grease on it so it will last. It is easy to change=2C just m ake sure you get the right tool to pound out the rv shaft so you dont bugge r up the threads on the water pump. > > >From what I have read in this thre ad you were just talking about replacing the stock seal and not upgrading t o the ceramic seal correct?> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> Leonard Perry> Sol dotna AK> Avid "=3BC"=3B / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95 % complete> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics ========================> _ ======================> > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:17 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir Sorry if someone beat me to the answer=2C but picture a Y The holes are in the two upper arms of the Y. The probe goes through a hole in the hosecl amp=2C into the hole in the Y and the clamp is tightened arould that arm of the Y. Same thing on the other upper arm of the Y pipe. Hope that makes sence. If you saw it it would be obvious immediatly. Jim Chuk 4 building MN> Date: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 19:15:23 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> From: bnn@nethere.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > At 06:46 P M 10/5/2008=2C you wrote:> >If you use the hoseclamp style EGT probes=2C al l you have to do is > >drill two 3/16" holes in the Y pipe.> > Yes=2C drill ing the holes is easy. I can't picture the clamp=2C > though. How'd you do that?> > > Guy Buchanan> San Diego=2C CA> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% d ===================> > > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together=97at home=2C work=2C or on the go. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:16 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head Look in Part 30 of the CPS Proper care and feeding. The second to the last paragraph in that section covers it. If you look at photo 9=2C you see th e small bleed screw=2C it is centered betweed the two nuts in the picture a nd directly accross from the fluid inlet on the oposite side of the engine. The 532 doesn't have this bleed screw. This is especially important on a n inverted engine like the Avid uses to get the air out. I hooked a long h ose onto the lower hose fitting and filled it with oil=2C then held it up h igher than the other fitting so oil and air would go back up into the bottl e. Keep doing it till no more air comes out. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 building Mn From: patreilly43@hotmail.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitf ox-List: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue headDate: Mon=2C 6 Oct 2008 03:3 7:53 +0000 How do you bleed the RV oil properly? I don't see any reference to it in CP S manual/catalog.do not archivePat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> S ubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grey head 582 upgrade to blue head> From: akflyer_ 2000@yahoo.com> Date: Sun=2C 5 Oct 2008 08:40:25 -0700> To: kitfox-list@mat hoo.com>> > well it is worse than that... if you dont bleed the rv oil prop erly=2Cit will eat the brass gear in about 15 minutes. The seal has some gr ease on it so it will last. It is easy to change=2C just make sure you get the right tool to pound out the rv shaft so you dont bugger up the threads on the water pump. > > >From what I have read in this thread you were just talking about replacing the stock seal and not upgrading to the ceramic sea l correct?> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> Leonard Perry> Soldotna AK> Avid &q uot=3BC"=3B / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95% complete> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.ph p?p 7436#207436> > > > > > <============== ==> > > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together=97at home=2C work=2C or on the go. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.