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1. 02:54 AM - Re: Fuel drain (Lynn Matteson)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: Fuel drain (John W. Hart)
3. 06:26 AM - Re: Flap handle detentes (Tom Jones)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: Fuel drain (Rexinator)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: Fuel drain (Noel Loveys)
6. 09:13 AM - Re: Fuel drain (Lynn Matteson)
7. 09:18 AM - Re: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit (Noel Loveys)
8. 09:21 AM - Re: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit (Noel Loveys)
9. 09:23 AM - Re: Fuel drain (Lynn Matteson)
10. 09:29 AM - Re: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit (Bob Brennan)
11. 10:22 AM - EGT probe was 582 Oil Reservoir (Marco Menezes)
12. 11:35 AM - Kitfox Aircraft Update (jdmcbean)
13. 12:14 PM - Re: Kitfox Aircraft Update (Wahlquist, Dave)
14. 12:53 PM - Re: Fuel drain (Noel Loveys)
15. 01:42 PM - Re: Fuel drain (Noel Loveys)
16. 03:14 PM - Re: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit (Lowell Fitt)
17. 03:22 PM - Re: Fuel drain (Lynn Matteson)
18. 03:29 PM - Kitfox Aircraft (Dee Young)
19. 03:39 PM - Re: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit (Lynn Matteson)
20. 07:08 PM - Re: Ribs: Varnish vs Urethane vs Polyurethane (jlfernan)
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Just to take the...albeit VERY small...load off the camshaft, and
simplify the plumbing. After the crank gear broke, I got to thinking
that if I didn't have a fuel pump being "driven" by the cam, there
would be that much less load on the crank/cam timing gears.I can hear
people saying right now, "huh? there isn't that much effort required
to push that rod in and out of the engine." And they're right. I was
thinking all along of converting to gravity feed, and this was the
perfect time to do it. Partly I was frustrated with having to do the
rebuild, and saw this as another way to change my engine from what
Jabiru invented. So call it a "cut off nose to spite face" thing, but
more correctly, it was obvious that the engine would run on gravity
alone, given the location of the carb in proximity to the high tanks
in a Kitfox. Yes, I need the electric pump under certain conditions,
but these are a low percentage of all the time the engine can run
without it. I have yet to change from the float needle and seat
designed for a pump to one designed for gravity, but I'll call Bing
and get those parts ordered. In the meantime, pump management is
pretty simple....on for takeoff and steep climb, off for level flight.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and I'm
back to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
do not archive
On Oct 6, 2008, at 10:31 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Lynn
>
> refresh my memory - why did you remove the mechanical fuel pump
> from your engine
>
> regards
>
> Gary
>
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> Classic 4 Jabiru 2200
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The viton material seems best for all applications where I have used them,
including AVGAS. I put some viton"O" rings in a Cessna 172 that belongs to
a friend of mine about 5 years ago and they are still working fine. He uses
both 100LL and auto gas, not in any particulsr ratio, and he buys his auto
fuel at the cheapest place in town.
John Hart
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Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain
What is best for 100LL - I have the same problem and are continually
replacing O'rings and valves.
Regards
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Flap handle detentes |
Thanks Bob, the pictures show what I need to know.
Tom Jones
matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> Here are 2 angles from the passenger side in reasonable resolution so you
> can zoom in, I sent it off-list so as to not clog up everyone's inbox. If
> anyone else wants pix I can send them, or post them to a site if there's any
> interest.
>
> Feel free to ask for more pix/details to help you out, I'm happy to oblige.
> I looked through my build documentation and there were no drawings, just a
> rough suggestion as to how it should work, so I don't know if this is a
> one-off.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
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> --
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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Don't forget to consider pump on for landing, in case of a go-around.
Rex
Lynn Matteson wrote:
<snip>
> In the meantime, pump management is pretty simple....on for takeoff
> and steep climb, off for level flight.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and I'm
> back to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
> do not archive
>
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
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Lynn:
I assume your header is before or upstream of your pump. Do you have a
drain on the bottom of the header? With a nice big gascolator like that why
bother with filters at all?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain
What I feel is best for 100LL is no drain valves, therefore no O
rings at that particular location, then teflon ball valves in the
down lines into Purolator glass in-line filters (the o-rings
contained therein have not leaked, swollen, or otherwise caused
problems in two years) down into the header tank and then forward
into another glass in-line filter to protect the electric Facet fuel
pump. The header tank becomes the lowest point in the system,
therefore my "gascolator." I wasn't using the fuel pump before, but
now that I've converted to gravity only, I use the boost pump for
take-off and climbout. Yesterday I switched off the pump at 1000'
AGL, and it continued to climb for another several seconds...didn't
record how long...until it started to stumble for lack of fuel. I
pushed the nose down, and even before the plane got to level, the
engine caught and ran on gravity feed alone. I then switched on the
pump just for security. I have shut off the pump and flown for 20
minutes in normal S & L attitude with the occasional slight climb,
just to mimic a normal day of flying, and haven't experienced any
lack of fuel to the engine, other than the steep climb I mentioned
earlier.
With the pump on, and the plane pitched up and climbing at 1600
fpm....briefly...then at about 13-1400 fpm, the engine did not suffer
from fuel starvation.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and I'm
back to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
On Oct 6, 2008, at 8:39 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> What is best for 100LL - I have the same problem and are
> continually replacing O'rings and valves.
>
> Regards
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 Jabiru 2200
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Yup, I forgot to mention that I do that as well. Thanks for the
reminder, Rex.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and I'm
back to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Rexinator wrote:
>
> Don't forget to consider pump on for landing, in case of a go-around.
> Rex
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
>
>> In the meantime, pump management is pretty simple....on for
>> takeoff and steep climb, off for level flight.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and
>> I'm back to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
>> do not archive
>>
> --
> Rex Hefferan
> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit |
Mine came in the plane. I expect you can get them through Aviall , Leavens
(in Canada), Wicks Or even ACS. The reason I mentioned my tanks are not
sloshed is because it has happened that sloshing compound has separated in
the tank and blocked finger strainers.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
Noel - "finger strainers"? Where does one get those? I had to throw out what
I think you are talking about on the outlet of my wing tank - I foolishly
sloshed with it in and the Kreem did a great job of sealing the whole thing
water-tight. Live and learn.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: 06 October 2008 6:57 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
You remove the fuel drain to measure it. The size refers to the part that
screws into the bottom of your tank.
I don't use any "filters" on my fuel supply they are too easy to block. I
use finger strainers in the tanks ( no sloshing compound to come free) and a
gascolator with a fuel screen.. I drip my gascolator before every flight
and clean it every 25 hr. 50 hr. Would be ok. My father had a much larger
engine in his C170B/LA-4 and they only got cleaned on the annual.
The other little reservoir is for the water pump/rotary valve shaft. If you
haven't noticed it going down then all is well. If the oil in it turns
milky your RV shaft seal is toast. There are specific instructions for
bleeding the injector pump and the RV shaft in the Rotax Manuals available
from http://www.rotax-owner.com/ Check the tabs for engine manuals and
download your manual in pdf format for your engine.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
Ok - showing my ignorance here...
The first picture is of the fuel drain for the wing tank which tends to leak
and needs replacing. I got as far as
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/safair.php but the CAV-110,
160, 170, and 180 all look a lot like it. I know what an NPT thread is but
where is the 1/4" or 1/8" measurement taken? Or the other measurements?
Second picture is my fuel filter. Any suggestions on a replacement? Advance
Auto Parts or Manny Moe &Jack ok?
Third picture is the whats-it. Obviously a reservoir with some sort of
lubricant which hasn't gone down since I have owned the plane. Obviously
something I need to know about and service.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit |
Try to keep it above the min. The idea of syringing it out every once in a
while and replacing with new oil is a good one. Somewhere I read you should
use the same oil as what is in your main reservoir but I know of at least
one guy who uses a different 2 stroke oil that is easier to see in the small
reservoir.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
A number of replies agree that it is the supply of oil to the "rotary
valve". So it takes normal 2 stroke oil? Mine is closer to the MIN mark than
the MAX so I was thinking I should top it off.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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gary.algate@sandvik.com
Sent: 06 October 2008 8:08 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
Bob
I didn't see your original post but the (Whatsit) sounds like the oil
reservoir for your Rotary Valve lubrication.
Is it the small plastic bottle mounted on the aluminum angle above your CDI
units?
If so this is a circulating lube system supplying a flow of oil to the
rotary valve. If everything is in good order you shouldn't see the level
drop. Also the cap has a rubber seal in it wit a small slit cut to allow
pressure relief. Make sure you never replace this with a full seal as it
will cause you some real pain.
I used to just take out the oil from the reservoir with a syringe about
every 50 hrs and replace it - probably overkill but for a couple of ounces
of two stroke oil I figured it was cheap insurance.
regards
Gary
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I use the filters mainly just to see what kind of crud, if any, I've
taken on in the fuel. I'd be nice (well, maybe not really) to see
that after stopping at Airport "X" that I got crud in the filters.
They are visible right over my shoulders. And with the valves just
before them in the line, they can be changed/cleaned very quickly.
Yes, the header is down low behind the right seat, with the drain
just above the fabric. I glued a PVC plumbing flange onto the fabric
from the inside, and the drain sticks down into that. It kinda
stiffens the fabric at that point so the hole in the fabric doesn't
vibrate with the wind.
The filter after the header, but before the fuel pump is a "just in
case filter" to keep any crud out of it.
p.s. I just sent off one-half of my ignition system off for
analysis...semi-grounded for now...unless I feel brave.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and I'm
back to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
On Oct 7, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Lynn:
>
> I assume your header is before or upstream of your pump. Do you
> have a
> drain on the bottom of the header? With a nice big gascolator like
> that why
> bother with filters at all?
>
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain
>
>
> What I feel is best for 100LL is no drain valves, therefore no O
> rings at that particular location, then teflon ball valves in the
> down lines into Purolator glass in-line filters (the o-rings
> contained therein have not leaked, swollen, or otherwise caused
> problems in two years) down into the header tank and then forward
> into another glass in-line filter to protect the electric Facet fuel
> pump. The header tank becomes the lowest point in the system,
> therefore my "gascolator." I wasn't using the fuel pump before, but
> now that I've converted to gravity only, I use the boost pump for
> take-off and climbout. Yesterday I switched off the pump at 1000'
> AGL, and it continued to climb for another several seconds...didn't
> record how long...until it started to stumble for lack of fuel. I
> pushed the nose down, and even before the plane got to level, the
> engine caught and ran on gravity feed alone. I then switched on the
> pump just for security. I have shut off the pump and flown for 20
> minutes in normal S & L attitude with the occasional slight climb,
> just to mimic a normal day of flying, and haven't experienced any
> lack of fuel to the engine, other than the steep climb I mentioned
> earlier.
>
> With the pump on, and the plane pitched up and climbing at 1600
> fpm....briefly...then at about 13-1400 fpm, the engine did not suffer
> from fuel starvation.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and I'm
> back to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2008, at 8:39 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
>>
>> What is best for 100LL - I have the same problem and are
>> continually replacing O'rings and valves.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> Gary Algate
>> Classic 4 Jabiru 2200
>> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit |
My wing tank is simply for reserve, so a blocked strainer is much better
than letting objects go further into the system. I replaced the tubing from
the wing tank with clear so I can see the flow when on turn the petcock. My
procedure is that when the Reserve warning light comes on (1.5 gals / 45
mins remaining in the main tank) or before if I notice, I dump the 6 gallon
wing tank into the main. Doing that with any more than 4 gallons in the main
tank is a "bad idea" since it only holds 9.45 gals...
I found "finger strainers" on ACS and have ordered, thanks for the input
Noel.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: 07 October 2008 12:18 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
Mine came in the plane. I expect you can get them through Aviall , Leavens
(in Canada), Wicks Or even ACS. The reason I mentioned my tanks are not
sloshed is because it has happened that sloshing compound has separated in
the tank and blocked finger strainers.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
Noel - "finger strainers"? Where does one get those? I had to throw out what
I think you are talking about on the outlet of my wing tank - I foolishly
sloshed with it in and the Kreem did a great job of sealing the whole thing
water-tight. Live and learn.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: 06 October 2008 6:57 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
You remove the fuel drain to measure it. The size refers to the part that
screws into the bottom of your tank.
I don't use any "filters" on my fuel supply they are too easy to block. I
use finger strainers in the tanks ( no sloshing compound to come free) and a
gascolator with a fuel screen.. I drip my gascolator before every flight
and clean it every 25 hr. 50 hr. Would be ok. My father had a much larger
engine in his C170B/LA-4 and they only got cleaned on the annual.
The other little reservoir is for the water pump/rotary valve shaft. If you
haven't noticed it going down then all is well. If the oil in it turns
milky your RV shaft seal is toast. There are specific instructions for
bleeding the injector pump and the RV shaft in the Rotax Manuals available
from http://www.rotax-owner.com/ Check the tabs for engine manuals and
download your manual in pdf format for your engine.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
Ok - showing my ignorance here...
The first picture is of the fuel drain for the wing tank which tends to leak
and needs replacing. I got as far as
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/safair.php but the CAV-110,
160, 170, and 180 all look a lot like it. I know what an NPT thread is but
where is the 1/4" or 1/8" measurement taken? Or the other measurements?
Second picture is my fuel filter. Any suggestions on a replacement? Advance
Auto Parts or Manny Moe &Jack ok?
Third picture is the whats-it. Obviously a reservoir with some sort of
lubricant which hasn't gone down since I have owned the plane. Obviously
something I need to know about and service.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | EGT probe was 582 Oil Reservoir |
Bob:
-
It's been awhile since I put mine together and, in my case,-the "Y" was p
re-drilled to accept the probes, but as I recall, the probes do reach all t
he way across the exhaust opening. Also, I did nothing to seal around the p
robes and-there does not appear to be any significant exhaust leakage the
re. In any event, the system has always performed as advertised with this i
nstallation.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
--- On Mon, 10/6/08, Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name> wrote:
From: Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir
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I can picture it Jim thanks, although I'm not sure that "sence" makes sense
;-)
-
I've had my head under the cowl trying to picture it and from what everyone
has said it does make sense, although the smallest probe I can find has a
1" tip and I imagine that would pretty much touch the bottom of the manifol
d. Also I would think that some manifold sealer goop of some sort would be
a good idea around the hole?
-
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa--
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: 06 October 2008 12:03 am
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir
Sorry if someone beat me to the answer, but picture a Y- The holes are in
the two upper arms of the Y.-- The probe goes through a hole in the ho
seclamp, into the hole in the Y and the clamp is tightened arould that arm
of the Y.- Same thing on the other upper arm of the Y pipe.- Hope that
makes sence.- If you saw it it would be obvious immediatly.- Jim Chuk
- 4 building MN
> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:15:23 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> From: bnn@nethere.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil Reservoir
>
>
> At 06:46 PM 10/5/2008, you wrote:
> >If you use the hoseclamp style EGT probes, all you have to do is
> >drill two 3/16" holes in the Y pipe.
>
> Yes, drilling the holes is easy. I can't picture the clamp,
> though. How'd you do that?
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox Aircraft Update |
Real quick update on some of the current happenings at Kitfox Aircraft.
Things are going very well.. and hopefully we'll see you at the Copperstate
Fly-in October 23-26 in Casa Grande, AZ
There are some items of interest that we have been working on that we
thought it was time to share. A Parts and Accessory Catalog is being worked
on and hope to have the initial print available soon.
1. Flaperons - We have just about got all the parts back together to
have the ability to offer the earlier symmetrical flaperon. Why the
previous tooling was destroyed nobody knows and doesn't matter. We simply
feel it is very important to continue to offer the earlier style as
replacements may be needed.
2. LLE - Laker Leading Edge. This is a new item that is looking very
exciting. We have all discussed, some have tried (including Kitfox), the
advantages of having a smooth leading edge. It has been accomplished in the
past using aluminum. The issue with aluminum leading edges was the oil
canning. The aluminum leading edge initially looked very good but as the
Kitfox wing is very flexible oil canning would occur and possible disrupt
the airflow not to mention looks pretty bad. After some trial and error we
have developed a leading edge from composite materials so it is very light
weight, strong, and flexible. The tooling is complete, articles are being
installed for testing.
3. A new design molded gas cap fairing.. it is more streamlined and
will have flanges for easy installation. Many other molded parts are also
available.
4. Kitfox Bush Gear - Currently for the Model IV and earlier versions.
This is a bolt on system very similar to a Super Cub type gear.
5. SLSA - Kitfox will have an SLSA available next year. The conforming
proto-type (required by the ASTM) is being completed with a December target
date. This aircraft will be equipped very similar to our current factory
demo.
Any questions please feel free to give us a call.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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Thanks for the info John.
Do you have a price for the bush gear yet?
Dave Wahlquist
Marshall WI
Kitfox Model III
Rotax 582
N844KF
________________________________
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 1:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Aircraft Update
Real quick update on some of the current happenings at Kitfox Aircraft.
Things are going very well.. and hopefully we'll see you at the
Copperstate Fly-in October 23-26 in Casa Grande, AZ
There are some items of interest that we have been working on that we
thought it was time to share. A Parts and Accessory Catalog is being
worked on and hope to have the initial print available soon.
1. Flaperons - We have just about got all the parts back together
to have the ability to offer the earlier symmetrical flaperon. Why the
previous tooling was destroyed nobody knows and doesn't matter. We
simply feel it is very important to continue to offer the earlier style
as replacements may be needed.
2. LLE - Laker Leading Edge. This is a new item that is looking
very exciting. We have all discussed, some have tried (including
Kitfox), the advantages of having a smooth leading edge. It has been
accomplished in the past using aluminum. The issue with aluminum leading
edges was the oil canning. The aluminum leading edge initially looked
very good but as the Kitfox wing is very flexible oil canning would
occur and possible disrupt the airflow not to mention looks pretty bad.
After some trial and error we have developed a leading edge from
composite materials so it is very light weight, strong, and flexible.
The tooling is complete, articles are being installed for testing.
3. A new design molded gas cap fairing.. it is more streamlined
and will have flanges for easy installation. Many other molded parts
are also available.
4. Kitfox Bush Gear - Currently for the Model IV and earlier
versions. This is a bolt on system very similar to a Super Cub type
gear.
5. SLSA - Kitfox will have an SLSA available next year. The
conforming proto-type (required by the ASTM) is being completed with a
December target date. This aircraft will be equipped very similar to
our current factory demo.
Any questions please feel free to give us a call.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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This is not a place for feeling "Brave" :-)
I only use screens in my gascolator but with the set up you have, the super
gascolator, probably better than mine, I wouldn't bother with the filter
before the pump. The idea of using the PVC flange is a good one and if I
have to drop something out the bottom of my plane I'll use that idea. I was
playing with the idea of a long wire on a bird for the ham 80 M band. Just
what the Kitfox needs ... more drag!
My 912 has the old type problem prone ignition system. Apparently it can be
rebuilt to new specs. I'm still waiting for some plumbing supplies to get
the installation finished. I'm still hoping to get some time in this fall
before the ice forms on the ponds.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain
I use the filters mainly just to see what kind of crud, if any, I've
taken on in the fuel. I'd be nice (well, maybe not really) to see
that after stopping at Airport "X" that I got crud in the filters.
They are visible right over my shoulders. And with the valves just
before them in the line, they can be changed/cleaned very quickly.
Yes, the header is down low behind the right seat, with the drain
just above the fabric. I glued a PVC plumbing flange onto the fabric
from the inside, and the drain sticks down into that. It kinda
stiffens the fabric at that point so the hole in the fabric doesn't
vibrate with the wind.
The filter after the header, but before the fuel pump is a "just in
case filter" to keep any crud out of it.
p.s. I just sent off one-half of my ignition system off for
analysis...semi-grounded for now...unless I feel brave.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and I'm
back to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
On Oct 7, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Lynn:
>
> I assume your header is before or upstream of your pump. Do you
> have a
> drain on the bottom of the header? With a nice big gascolator like
> that why
> bother with filters at all?
>
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain
>
>
> What I feel is best for 100LL is no drain valves, therefore no O
> rings at that particular location, then teflon ball valves in the
> down lines into Purolator glass in-line filters (the o-rings
> contained therein have not leaked, swollen, or otherwise caused
> problems in two years) down into the header tank and then forward
> into another glass in-line filter to protect the electric Facet fuel
> pump. The header tank becomes the lowest point in the system,
> therefore my "gascolator." I wasn't using the fuel pump before, but
> now that I've converted to gravity only, I use the boost pump for
> take-off and climbout. Yesterday I switched off the pump at 1000'
> AGL, and it continued to climb for another several seconds...didn't
> record how long...until it started to stumble for lack of fuel. I
> pushed the nose down, and even before the plane got to level, the
> engine caught and ran on gravity feed alone. I then switched on the
> pump just for security. I have shut off the pump and flown for 20
> minutes in normal S & L attitude with the occasional slight climb,
> just to mimic a normal day of flying, and haven't experienced any
> lack of fuel to the engine, other than the steep climb I mentioned
> earlier.
>
> With the pump on, and the plane pitched up and climbing at 1600
> fpm....briefly...then at about 13-1400 fpm, the engine did not suffer
> from fuel starvation.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and I'm
> back to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2008, at 8:39 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
>>
>> What is best for 100LL - I have the same problem and are
>> continually replacing O'rings and valves.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> Gary Algate
>> Classic 4 Jabiru 2200
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Lynn do you use lists??? I have a pre flight list, A pre start list, a pre
take off list, a pre landing list and a shutdown list. And of course a
loading list for putting the plane on the trailer... it's on floats and I
have o trailer it to the pond every time I fly. The pre take off and pre
landing lists are on my knee pad.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain
Yup, I forgot to mention that I do that as well. Thanks for the
reminder, Rex.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and I'm
back to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Rexinator wrote:
>
> Don't forget to consider pump on for landing, in case of a go-around.
> Rex
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
>
>> In the meantime, pump management is pretty simple....on for
>> takeoff and steep climb, off for level flight.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, and counting...all systems are NOT go, and
>> I'm back to flying/testing/"guinea pigging"...damn it!
>> do not archive
>>
> --
> Rex Hefferan
> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit |
Noel says,"The reason I mentioned my tanks are not
> sloshed is because it has happened that sloshing compound has separated in
> the tank and blocked finger strainers.
Yes this happened - maybe two or three times out of a couple thousand
Kitfoxs. I is interesting what folks will do after an incident or two. One
of the threads after the Kreem separation and the clogging of the finger
strainers, was whether or not to remove the finger strainers - and some did
exactly that. I repeat, it is interesting what folks do after hearing of an
incident. For what it's worth, my old Model IV had Kreem, finger strainers,
filters down stream of the wing tanks, wing tank drains, and a gascollator.
The only place I found anything during a preflight was in the wing tanks,
and finger strainers at anual. One significant wing tank find at annual
after removing the finger strainers was a chunk of rubber, consistant with a
piece broken off a fuel line presumably from a 100ll pump - during pump
maintenance? Every drop of gas from the gas station went through a Mr.
Funnel. The chunk of rubber was exactly the size it would take to enter the
fuel line and lodge itself right at a connector. My new Model IV, exactly
the same minus the gascollator, most likely.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
> Mine came in the plane. I expect you can get them through Aviall ,
> Leavens
> (in Canada), Wicks Or even ACS. The reason I mentioned my tanks are not
> sloshed is because it has happened that sloshing compound has separated in
> the tank and blocked finger strainers.
>
>
> Noel
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:50 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
>
>
> Noel - "finger strainers"? Where does one get those? I had to throw out
> what
> I think you are talking about on the outlet of my wing tank - I foolishly
> sloshed with it in and the Kreem did a great job of sealing the whole
> thing
> water-tight. Live and learn.
>
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
>
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>
> Wrightsville Pa
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
> Sent: 06 October 2008 6:57 pm
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
>
> You remove the fuel drain to measure it. The size refers to the part that
> screws into the bottom of your tank.
>
>
> I don't use any "filters" on my fuel supply they are too easy to block. I
> use finger strainers in the tanks ( no sloshing compound to come free) and
> a
> gascolator with a fuel screen.. I drip my gascolator before every flight
> and clean it every 25 hr. 50 hr. Would be ok. My father had a much
> larger
> engine in his C170B/LA-4 and they only got cleaned on the annual.
>
>
> The other little reservoir is for the water pump/rotary valve shaft. If
> you
> haven't noticed it going down then all is well. If the oil in it turns
> milky your RV shaft seal is toast. There are specific instructions for
> bleeding the injector pump and the RV shaft in the Rotax Manuals available
> from http://www.rotax-owner.com/ Check the tabs for engine manuals and
> download your manual in pdf format for your engine.
>
>
> Noel
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:22 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
>
>
> Ok - showing my ignorance here...
>
>
> The first picture is of the fuel drain for the wing tank which tends to
> leak
> and needs replacing. I got as far as
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/safair.php but the CAV-110,
> 160, 170, and 180 all look a lot like it. I know what an NPT thread is but
> where is the 1/4" or 1/8" measurement taken? Or the other measurements?
>
>
> Second picture is my fuel filter. Any suggestions on a replacement?
> Advance
> Auto Parts or Manny Moe &Jack ok?
>
>
> Third picture is the whats-it. Obviously a reservoir with some sort of
> lubricant which hasn't gone down since I have owned the plane. Obviously
> something I need to know about and service.
>
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
>
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>
> Wrightsville Pa
>
>
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Pre-flight check list? Absolutely! All of mine are on one sheet of
paper. I just re-wrote it to include the "fuel pump ON" notation at
'engine start' and 'before takeoff' sections. And of course, I've had
to up the allowable CHT temps after the recent probe location change,
which resulted in reported temps higher than what Jabiru reported
(because they didn't do it right, I like to think : ) ). One of
these days I'll have it encased in plastic, but I never seem to be
absolutely sure that I'm done writing it. I'll pencil in stuff of
importance as I think of it/them, then print up a new one, then start
to pencil in new stuff on that one. Just like building the plane,
building the checklist is an ongoing process for me. I used one
checklist until it finally became two pieces....worn in half due to
the constant handling and folding.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, temporarily grounded as one-half of ignition
system is in for a "medical checkup"
On Oct 7, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Lynn do you use lists??? I have a pre flight list, A pre start
> list, a pre
> take off list, a pre landing list and a shutdown list. And of course a
> loading list for putting the plane on the trailer... it's on
> floats and I
> have o trailer it to the pond every time I fly. The pre take off
> and pre
> landing lists are on my knee pad.
>
> Noel
>
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I stopped by the Kitfox factory today. It's the first visit since the
move from Caldwell, Idaho. I am very impressed with the operations and
the new location. It was pleasant to see everyone and to tour the
production area. John and Debra and dog are doing an excellent job of
running the busness in a small well organized area. They got some good
help and pumping out the kits. Really looks good to me.
On a different note there were a couple of old boys playing around with
an older Kitfox at the same airport. One of the guys told me it was a
model 1 kit #8. One of the very first ones built and just getting back
in the air from setting. That was pretty cool to see. I hope I haven't
taken someones thunder but thought it was worth mentioning.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit |
I seem to recall thinking of removing the finger strainers until I
thought about what they provide, which is a very large area through
which fuel can flow without clogging the fuel line. Think of your
eavetroughs (sp?) as an example....you get some leaves at the
downspout and the thing is clogged. But put a big ol' dome of screen
over the top of the downspout, and the leaves still go there, but the
larger area lets the water get through in most cases. You still have
to clean it occasionally, but you never have to land your house in a
farmers' field because of clogged leaves....HUH? : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, temporarily grounded as one-half of ignition
system is in for a "medical checkup"
On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Noel says,"The reason I mentioned my tanks are not
>> sloshed is because it has happened that sloshing compound has
>> separated in
>> the tank and blocked finger strainers.
>
> Yes this happened - maybe two or three times out of a couple
> thousand Kitfoxs. I is interesting what folks will do after an
> incident or two. One of the threads after the Kreem separation and
> the clogging of the finger strainers, was whether or not to remove
> the finger strainers - and some did exactly that. I repeat, it is
> interesting what folks do after hearing of an incident. For what
> it's worth, my old Model IV had Kreem, finger strainers, filters
> down stream of the wing tanks, wing tank drains, and a gascollator.
> The only place I found anything during a preflight was in the wing
> tanks, and finger strainers at anual. One significant wing tank
> find at annual after removing the finger strainers was a chunk of
> rubber, consistant with a piece broken off a fuel line presumably
> from a 100ll pump - during pump maintenance? Every drop of gas
> from the gas station went through a Mr. Funnel. The chunk of
> rubber was exactly the size it would take to enter the fuel line
> and lodge itself right at a connector. My new Model IV, exactly
> the same minus the gascollator, most likely.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
>
>
>> Mine came in the plane. I expect you can get them through
>> Aviall , Leavens
>> (in Canada), Wicks Or even ACS. The reason I mentioned my tanks
>> are not
>> sloshed is because it has happened that sloshing compound has
>> separated in
>> the tank and blocked finger strainers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Brennan
>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:50 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
>>
>>
>>
>> Noel - "finger strainers"? Where does one get those? I had to
>> throw out what
>> I think you are talking about on the outlet of my wing tank - I
>> foolishly
>> sloshed with it in and the Kreem did a great job of sealing the
>> whole thing
>> water-tight. Live and learn.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>>
>> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
>>
>> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>>
>> Wrightsville Pa
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel
>> Loveys
>> Sent: 06 October 2008 6:57 pm
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
>>
>> You remove the fuel drain to measure it. The size refers to the
>> part that
>> screws into the bottom of your tank.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't use any "filters" on my fuel supply they are too easy to
>> block. I
>> use finger strainers in the tanks ( no sloshing compound to come
>> free) and a
>> gascolator with a fuel screen.. I drip my gascolator before every
>> flight
>> and clean it every 25 hr. 50 hr. Would be ok. My father had a
>> much larger
>> engine in his C170B/LA-4 and they only got cleaned on the annual.
>>
>>
>>
>> The other little reservoir is for the water pump/rotary valve
>> shaft. If you
>> haven't noticed it going down then all is well. If the oil in it
>> turns
>> milky your RV shaft seal is toast. There are specific
>> instructions for
>> bleeding the injector pump and the RV shaft in the Rotax Manuals
>> available
>> from http://www.rotax-owner.com/ Check the tabs for engine
>> manuals and
>> download your manual in pdf format for your engine.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Brennan
>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:22 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel drain, fuel filter, and a whatsit
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok - showing my ignorance here...
>>
>>
>>
>> The first picture is of the fuel drain for the wing tank which
>> tends to leak
>> and needs replacing. I got as far as
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/safair.php but the
>> CAV-110,
>> 160, 170, and 180 all look a lot like it. I know what an NPT
>> thread is but
>> where is the 1/4" or 1/8" measurement taken? Or the other
>> measurements?
>>
>>
>>
>> Second picture is my fuel filter. Any suggestions on a
>> replacement? Advance
>> Auto Parts or Manny Moe &Jack ok?
>>
>>
>>
>> Third picture is the whats-it. Obviously a reservoir with some
>> sort of
>> lubricant which hasn't gone down since I have owned the plane.
>> Obviously
>> something I need to know about and service.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>>
>> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
>>
>> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>>
>> Wrightsville Pa
>>
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://
>> www.matronhref
>> "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
>> www.matronics.com/c
>>
>>
>>
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I used two part epoxy varnish, very tedious. How many coats is recommended for
wing ribs?
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Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Fuselage/Forward Controls
http://websites.expercraft.com/jlfernan/
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