Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:23 AM - Re: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 (Lynn Matteson)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: First Flight (Dan Billingsley)
3. 07:02 AM - Re: TCP use - Mixing Additives was Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL (Pete Christensen)
4. 07:04 AM - COPPERSTATE Fly-In Casa Grande, AZ (Pete Christensen)
5. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Prop/Nose Wheel (Noel Loveys)
6. 10:51 AM - Re: First Flight (W Duke)
7. 11:24 AM - Subaru EA-81 engine (Rick)
8. 02:40 PM - Re: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
9. 03:35 PM - Re: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 (Lynn Matteson)
10. 04:06 PM - Towing a banner? (jerry evans)
11. 04:54 PM - Re: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
12. 07:33 PM - Received my AW Cert (Cecil Stokesberry)
13. 09:49 PM - Re: Received my AW Cert (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 |
I'm in Michigan, Gary...the reason for the late posting time was a
late afternoon nap that left me staring at the ceiling come bedtime,
so I got up to check for computer traffic. : )
Yes, the engine is running strong now, and really rips once I push
the throttle in at take-off. Whether it's the ignition, or the fresh
engine, I can firewall the throttle and it accelerates immediately. I
was just looking for the information...I think from Jabiru...that
says to open the throttle slowly, taking over 1 second to go to WOT.
I used to have to do this but no longer...it accelerates immediately,
and pulls strongly. Hopefully it is still tight (and it is) from the
rebuild, and will gain power as it breaks in.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:48 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Lynn
>
> You must be on the West Coast otherwise it's well past your bed time.
>
> It sounds like you've worked all of the bugs out of your ignition
> system are you happy now with the overall engine performance after
> the rebuild?
>
> regards
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Vic, Congrats on your accomplishment. Reports like yours gives those of us that
are still building the inspiration needed. To know that some day we will run
out of parts and actually fly this thing is needed. Keep us updated on how she
performs.
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV, 912S
Vic Baker <vr_baker@nvbell.net> wrote:
N377KJ first flight today. 20 minutes of just plain (plane) fun then
back to garage for a careful lookover. 5 years (this month) from receipt
of kit - with a lot of handholding from John and Debra McBean (bless them!).
Aircraft is "by the book" with no mods.
A few numbers (for you numbers folks)
Conventional (tailwheel) gear.
750 lbs mains
70 lbs tail
20 gal fuel
pilot (me) 210 lbs
Wants nose up trim for power off approach. No problem. (have manual servo
trim tabs on elevator)
Set 5000 RPM (5800 available) for TO and climb. Lift off in the blink of an
eye (be ready!) OAT 11 Deg C, field elevation 4700'. Climbing at 600 fpm
at 65 mph indicated.
(this is no C150!)
3 point landing, keep it straight! (after flying with John McBean, decided
to place alignment tape on glare shield - easy to come in crabbed left)
Ok, me? 66 years old. 600 hour pilot. Have not flown for 20 years. Took
20 hours instruction this summer in Super Cub. One hour with John in Tri gear
Kitfox. No problem handling this airplane, likes thumb and forefinger
on stick with arm resting on leg.
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp 100%
Carson City, Nv
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| Subject: | Re: TCP use - Mixing Additives was Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL |
Is there any problem using Decalin when you add 10 gallons of 100ll to a
tank that has 10 gallons of mogas?
Pete
III SN 1000 912
Hell Paso, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: TCP use - Mixing Additives was Marvel
Mystery Oil-100LL
IMPORTANT !!
There are different TCP products. The Decalin product we sell uses a
different carrying agent then the other brand. That is also why ours
shipped in the mail. To mix this with another additive is not a good
idea.
Fact is: mixing any different additives is not good judgment and
should not be done.
While on this subject. when using our TCP product is calls for =BD oz
per 10 gallons and is easily applied. This is not a "more is better"
product. if you were to put 17 gallons (shy of 20) of 100LL it is not
better to put a full 1oz of TCP in.
Any questions please feel free to give me a shout.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith C.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:23 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL
Pops,
Thanks for the info. I sold my Fox and the new owner is flying it
home. That was one of the items he took along for the trip. He also
took Decalin from the McBeans. I will let him know the info.
Thanks,
Keith C.
Saving to build.
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Popenoe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Marvel Mystery Oil-100LL
Keith-
The recommended ratio for Marvel Mystery Oil is 100:1. However,
before deciding to use MMO in your avgas, be sure to read the following
NTSB report:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbno=NYC02
LA181&akey=1
Good luck!
Pops
Checked by AVG.
9/24/2008 6:29 AM
Checked by AVG.
9/24/2008 6:29 AM
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9/24/2008 6:29 AM
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| Subject: | COPPERSTATE Fly-In Casa Grande, AZ |
Anyone else going?
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
III SN1000 912
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| Subject: | Re: Prop/Nose Wheel |
My take on it, for what it's worth, is train on whatever type of plane you
are expecting to fly. When I took flying lessons, a few years ago, I was
looking for a school that had a conventional plane for training. They are
as scarce as hens teeth! The reason being the training on a tricycle gear
plane is easier and even the instructors have never flown a tail wheel.
Note I said the word easier not better. Traditionally conventional gear is
a bit faster in the air, and can be turned in a very short distance on the
ground. When it comes to off runway use the tricycle gear can work there
too if you have a big balloon tire on the nose... Creating even more drag.
It would not be fair to go this far without at least mentioning Floats and
skis.
Floats have a big pendulum effect when you are flying. On the water you
almost never will taxi with your elevator down.. You want to keep your prop
out of the water. Taxing on floats can be a bit tricky as the CG of the
plane changes with attitude on the water and if you aren't careful you can
find yourself switching from upwind to downwind in a bit of a hurry. Step
taxiing is great when conditions permit it but remember to get off the step
in time to let your engine properly cool.
Skis are probably the easiest thing to fly... as long as you know there are
no white out drifts, rocks or moose below you. Most ski planes are
conventional gear but there are a few tricycle gear ski planes as well. The
CH701, DHC-6 twin otter and the Challenger are three that come to mind. I
only mention the otter because it's a dream of mine :-) If you do come
across one of those white out drifts you will want to have your skis on
conventional gear.... I had a friend who hit one in a C180. He actually
flew the plane away! A nose ski would have resulted in so much crumpled
aluminium foil on the end of a pretzel that used to be a prop. Back to skis
being easier to fly than wheels.. The skis will try to keep the plane
straight on the ground that obviously reduces the chances of ground looping.
Danger results from hidden obstacles that you may hit on the ground. Boy do
I have a good story on that but I'll hold it for another time.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:55 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Prop/Nose Wheel
JetPilot wrote:
> Steve is right on wanting to convert his Kitfox to a nosewheel airplane.
Training on a tailwheel airplane is just asking to have your plane
destroyed. The accident statistics don't lie, they don't have opinions,
they just tell cold hard reality. There is a really good reason that the
Hull insurance on a taildragger is about twice as expensive as for a plane
with tricycle gear. I know most " He Men Pilots " here will disagree with
me on this subject, but again the facts and the numbers leave no room for
argument or opinions on this issue.
>
> Kitfox sells a nosewheel option for the Series 7 SS. You might possibly
buy the nosewheel from them. I am looking at several props for my Kitfox
with a 912-S, a warp drive, a powerfin, a Nu Form which Flight Designs CT
uses, and possibly the new sensenich composite prop if its not to expensive.
I would not buy an IVO, and I would not put an old technology outdated
wooden prop on my kitfox if they were giving them away for free.
>
> Mike
Not a he man just a pilot. Initial training was done in a PA12 with 31"
airsteaks. Not real forgiving on pavement. No issues and was signed off to
solo in 4.5 hrs. If the aircraft is going to be used as a primary trainer
in a flight school, then I would say go tricycle, if it is personal, and you
plan on making even one off airport landing, then go tail wheel.
I can back this up with facts if I need to dig up how many 206, 207, 182
etc. end up on their backs versus how many cubs are ground looped and have
structural damage.
Hands down for around here it is tail wheel all the way
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9781#209781
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Vic congratulations.- Nothing compares to that first flight.- Interesti
ngly enough, by the time of my first flight 400+ hours ago I had not comple
tely run out of parts ;-)
Maxwell Duke
S6/TD/IO240
Dublin, GA
--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com> wrote:
From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight
Vic, Congrats on your accomplishment. Reports like yours-gives those of u
s that are still building the inspiration needed. To know that some day we
will run out of parts and actually fly this thing is needed. Keep us update
d on how she performs.
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV, 912S
Vic Baker <vr_baker@nvbell.net> wrote:
N377KJ first flight today.--- 20 minutes of just plain (plane) fun th
en back to garage for a careful lookover.-- 5 years (this month) from r
eceipt of kit- ---with a lot of handholding from John and Debra McBea
n (bless them!).
-
Aircraft is "by the book" with no mods.
-
A few numbers (for you numbers folks)
Conventional (tailwheel) gear.
750 lbs mains
70 lbs tail
20 gal fuel
pilot (me) 210 lbs
Wants nose up trim- for power off approach.- No problem.- (have manua
l servo trim tabs on elevator)
Set 5000 RPM (5800 available) for TO and climb.- Lift off in the blink of
an eye- (be ready!)-- OAT 11 Deg C,- field elevation 4700'.- Cli
mbing at 600 fpm at 65 mph indicated.
(this is no C150!)
-
3 point landing,- keep it straight!- (after flying with
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Subaru EA-81 engine |
FYI just listed on Ebay, EA-81 turbo engine block prepped by Ram
Performance. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STR
K:MESELX:IT&item=260304450779>
&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=260304450779
Rick
Thanks to those that purchased items I had previously listed. Saving for
a new kit. :)
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| Subject: | Re: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 |
Good News Lynn
I still haven't done any more about verifying my prop pitch and trying the
new one but will advise once I get a chance to do so
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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Re: Kitfox-List: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200
I'm in Michigan, Gary...the reason for the late posting time was a
late afternoon nap that left me staring at the ceiling come bedtime,
so I got up to check for computer traffic. : )
Yes, the engine is running strong now, and really rips once I push
the throttle in at take-off. Whether it's the ignition, or the fresh
engine, I can firewall the throttle and it accelerates immediately. I
was just looking for the information...I think from Jabiru...that
says to open the throttle slowly, taking over 1 second to go to WOT.
I used to have to do this but no longer...it accelerates immediately,
and pulls strongly. Hopefully it is still tight (and it is) from the
rebuild, and will gain power as it breaks in.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:48 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Lynn
>
> You must be on the West Coast otherwise it's well past your bed time.
>
> It sounds like you've worked all of the bugs out of your ignition
> system are you happy now with the overall engine performance after
> the rebuild?
>
> regards
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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| Subject: | Re: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 |
Thanks, Gary.
I just got back from a 1.1 hr flight which garnered just over 100
miles. Not too bad when you figure I was doing some VERY steep climbs/
attempts to stall, so I wasn't getting very many miles on the GPS
during that time. The plane seems to climb at a LOT steeper angle
now, maybe due to a fresh engine. In the spirit of the break-in
mandates, I'm not subjecting the engine to long extended climbs, just
a few short steep ones, testing the gravity feed to the carb, with
and without aux. fuel pump on. Sure is fun to see that VSI hit the
"peg" even for a brief time.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
do not archive
On Oct 22, 2008, at 5:39 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Good News Lynn
>
> I still haven't done any more about verifying my prop pitch and
> trying the new one but will advise once I get a chance to do so
>
> Regards
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
>
> This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the
> addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of
> this message by persons or entities other than the intended
> recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error,
> kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the
> message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for
> any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may
> arise as a result of the e-mail transmission.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> 22/10/2008 09:06 PM
> Please respond to
> kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> To
> kitfox-list@matronics.com
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Kitfox-List: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru
> 2200
>
>
>
> I'm in Michigan, Gary...the reason for the late posting time was a
> late afternoon nap that left me staring at the ceiling come bedtime,
> so I got up to check for computer traffic. : )
>
> Yes, the engine is running strong now, and really rips once I push
> the throttle in at take-off. Whether it's the ignition, or the fresh
> engine, I can firewall the throttle and it accelerates immediately. I
> was just looking for the information...I think from Jabiru...that
> says to open the throttle slowly, taking over 1 second to go to WOT.
> I used to have to do this but no longer...it accelerates immediately,
> and pulls strongly. Hopefully it is still tight (and it is) from the
> rebuild, and will gain power as it breaks in.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> system
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:48 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> > You must be on the West Coast otherwise it's well past your bed
> time.
> >
> > It sounds like you've worked all of the bugs out of your ignition
> > system are you happy now with the overall engine performance after
> > the rebuild?
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > Gary Algate
> > SMC, Exploration
> > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
> -
> -
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
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| Subject: | Towing a banner? |
Has anyone ever towed a banner behind the Kitfox? If so what are the pros and cons
in doing this ? Thanks for any input.
Jerry Evans
KitfoxII
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
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| Subject: | Re: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 |
Damn and here's me sitting in my office looking at the blue skies and
perfectly still leaves !!!!!
I envy you
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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Re: Kitfox-List: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200
Thanks, Gary.
I just got back from a 1.1 hr flight which garnered just over 100
miles. Not too bad when you figure I was doing some VERY steep climbs/
attempts to stall, so I wasn't getting very many miles on the GPS
during that time. The plane seems to climb at a LOT steeper angle
now, maybe due to a fresh engine. In the spirit of the break-in
mandates, I'm not subjecting the engine to long extended climbs, just
a few short steep ones, testing the gravity feed to the carb, with
and without aux. fuel pump on. Sure is fun to see that VSI hit the
"peg" even for a brief time.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
do not archive
On Oct 22, 2008, at 5:39 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Good News Lynn
>
> I still haven't done any more about verifying my prop pitch and
> trying the new one but will advise once I get a chance to do so
>
> Regards
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
>
> This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the
> addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of
> this message by persons or entities other than the intended
> recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error,
> kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the
> message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for
> any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may
> arise as a result of the e-mail transmission.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> 22/10/2008 09:06 PM
> Please respond to
> kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> To
> kitfox-list@matronics.com
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Kitfox-List: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru
> 2200
>
>
>
> I'm in Michigan, Gary...the reason for the late posting time was a
> late afternoon nap that left me staring at the ceiling come bedtime,
> so I got up to check for computer traffic. : )
>
> Yes, the engine is running strong now, and really rips once I push
> the throttle in at take-off. Whether it's the ignition, or the fresh
> engine, I can firewall the throttle and it accelerates immediately. I
> was just looking for the information...I think from Jabiru...that
> says to open the throttle slowly, taking over 1 second to go to WOT.
> I used to have to do this but no longer...it accelerates immediately,
> and pulls strongly. Hopefully it is still tight (and it is) from the
> rebuild, and will gain power as it breaks in.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> system
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:48 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> > You must be on the West Coast otherwise it's well past your bed
> time.
> >
> > It sounds like you've worked all of the bugs out of your ignition
> > system are you happy now with the overall engine performance after
> > the rebuild?
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > Gary Algate
> > SMC, Exploration
> > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
> -
> -
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
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| Subject: | Received my AW Cert |
Finally got all the loose ends done and got my
special airworthiness certificate for N161CP
Mod IV 582 C gearbox GSC prop.
I had a local EAA technical counselor inspect the plane
for the FAA readiness inspection before the DAR did the
FAA Certification inspection.
All in all a very smooth and pleasent inspection.
I now get to test fly it in a 50 mi radius from my home
airport which is "Timber Basin Airpark" a private grass
strip southeast of Sandpoint, Idaho... Hopefully I can do
some flying before the snow flies. I haven't flown a
tail-tragger for about 30 years - wish me luck.
This was an off and on project for 16 years.
I did have another airplane during this time so I was still
flying during the building process.
Comments from this list have been very helpful to me
while building my Kitfox.
Thank you all for your comments on building and flying
a Kitfox.
Cecil Stokesberry
N161CP
Yellow with maroon stripes.
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| Subject: | Re: Received my AW Cert |
At 07:29 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote:
>Hopefully I can do
>some flying before the snow flies.
Talk to some of the folk on this list. Lots of skiers here. You could
keep flying through the winter.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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