---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/24/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:32 AM - Re: Flaperon End Caps (Perkins, Mike) 2. 06:43 AM - Re: Flaperon End Caps (Dee Young) 3. 07:11 AM - Re: Flaperon End Caps (Peter Graichen) 4. 07:36 AM - Re: Flaperon End Caps (Dee Young) 5. 09:22 AM - Google Earths hidden flight simulator (Rexinator) 6. 01:57 PM - Re: Flaperon End Caps (Michael Logan) 7. 03:21 PM - Re: Flaperon End Caps (Noel Loveys) 8. 03:45 PM - Re: Flaperon End Caps (David Jones) 9. 03:47 PM - Re: Flaperon End Caps (Malcolm Brubaker) 10. 05:05 PM - Re: Flaperon End Caps (Lowell Fitt) 11. 07:26 PM - Re: Flaperon End Caps (Noel Loveys) 12. 07:55 PM - Re: Towing a banner? YES (Charles Boccaccio) 13. 11:33 PM - Re: Flaperon End Caps (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps From: "Perkins, Mike" I used basswood on my flaperon endcaps. It's a little harder and more durable than balsawood, but still very easy to sand and shape. - Mike Perkins ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:35 AM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used fur and it worked just also. Dee Young Model II Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Perkins, Mike To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used basswood on my flaperon endcaps. It's a little harder and more durable than balsawood, but still very easy to sand and shape. - Mike Perkins http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:24 AM PST US From: "Peter Graichen" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Did you dye the fur to match the paint? _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2008 09:43 Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used fur and it worked just also. Dee Young Model II Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Perkins, Mike Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used basswood on my flaperon endcaps. It's a little harder and more durable than balsawood, but still very easy to sand and shape. - Mike Perkins href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:58 AM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Pete sorry for the poor spelling and missed words. Some have better educations than others and that short coming shows in my writing skills. I will try to do better in the future. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Graichen To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Did you dye the fur to match the paint? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2008 09:43 To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used fur and it worked just also. Dee Young Model II Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Perkins, Mike To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used basswood on my flaperon endcaps. It's a little harder and more durable than balsawood, but still very easy to sand and shape. - Mike Perkins href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Google Earths hidden flight simulator From: Rexinator For those of us with higher speed broadband. http://www.thecoolnews.org/2008/05/07/google-earths-hidden-flight-simulator/ do not archive -- Rex Hefferan SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:22 PM PST US From: "Michael Logan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Thanks Peter and Dee, we got a good laugh out of that one. Mike _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Pete sorry for the poor spelling and missed words. Some have better educations than others and that short coming shows in my writing skills. I will try to do better in the future. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Graichen Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Did you dye the fur to match the paint? _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2008 09:43 Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used fur and it worked just also. Dee Young Model II Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Perkins, Mike Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used basswood on my flaperon endcaps. It's a little harder and more durable than balsawood, but still very easy to sand and shape. - Mike Perkins href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:34 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I knew the "fur" was a typo but I haven't been able to think of what yow actually meant. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Logan Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Thanks Peter and Dee, we got a good laugh out of that one. Mike _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Pete sorry for the poor spelling and missed words. Some have better educations than others and that short coming shows in my writing skills. I will try to do better in the future. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Graichen Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Did you dye the fur to match the paint? _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2008 09:43 Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used fur and it worked just also. Dee Young Model II Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Perkins, Mike Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used basswood on my flaperon endcaps. It's a little harder and more durable than balsawood, but still very easy to sand and shape. - Mike Perkins href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:20 PM PST US From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps "Douglas Fir" David Kitfox, Model III, HKS On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Noel Loveys wrote: > I knew the "fur" was a typo but I haven't been able to think of what yow > actually meant. > > > Noel > > > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Logan > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2008 6:28 PM > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps > > > Thanks Peter and Dee, we got a good laugh out of that one. > > > Mike > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dee Young > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps > > Pete sorry for the poor spelling and missed words. Some have better > educations than others and that short coming shows in my writing skills. I > will try to do better in the future. > > > Dee Young > > Model II > > N345DY > > > Do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Peter Graichen > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2008 8:10 AM > > *Subject:* RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps > > > Did you dye the fur to match the paint? > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dee Young > *Sent:* Friday, 24 October, 2008 09:43 > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps > > I used fur and it worked just also. > > > Dee Young > > Model II > > > Do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Perkins, Mike > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2008 7:29 AM > > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps > > > I used basswood on my flaperon endcaps. It's a little harder and more > durable than balsawood, but still very easy to sand and shape. > > > - Mike Perkins > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:41 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps while my mod 2 has fiberglass over foam the gas drains under the wing only need too leek one time and you run- the risk on needing to replace- the m --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Bryan Quinton wrote: From: Bryan Quinton Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I need to replace the end seals/caps on-the flaperons on my model II and was looking for any good ideas for material, techniques etc. Have seen wood and/or-foam used but was looking for the best ideas. - Thanks Bryan Q Model II =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:37 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Bryan, Since the list is so lethargic of late, I thought I might offer a long winded suggestion. If you are comfortable with fiberglass, this is a trick I learned while working on the neighbor's Lancair IV. Cover the inside end of the flaperon (for about an inch) with vinyl tape. This will likely be the hardest part. Electricians tape does fine. Extend the tape out a bit. you might want to put some tape on the outside edge as well to protect the outside suface. Take a couple of pieces of fiberglass cloth of appropriate size and lay them on a piece of about 2 mil vinyl film about six inches larger than the fiberglass cloth on all sides. Pour enough epoxy or polyester resin on it to fully saturate the cloth. Put another piece of vinyl film on top of the sandwich and with a squeegee or a flat piece of wood, or a roller, squeegee as much of the resin out of the cloth as possible. Cut around the fiberglass to get rid of the excess resin. Wearing gloves, remove the top layer of vinyl and position the cloth over the end of the flaperon. Remove the other piece of vinyl film and gently press the cloth into the end of the flaperon to create a rounded concave shape. You may have to cut some of the excess cloth away to prevent sag, unless you can work with the flaperon vertically from a ladder or the back stairs. When this cures, press inward on the edges, breaking the composite from the tape in the flaperon and remove. When out, trim to the edge impression of the flaperon and you have the end piece for the opposite flaperon. Do the same thing on the other flaperon for the end piece for the first flaperon. This will give a nice rounded end and it will be very light, but will need some surface finishing with super fill, bondo or resin and microballoons. Glue the ends in with epoxy. This technique works also if a clearance bubble is needed, in a cowl for instance. Just cut the clearance hole and place the fiberglass sandwich over the hole from the inside and shape by hand. More than two layers would be needed on the cowl, though. In this case, prep the inside with sandpaper to remove surface contamination and allow the bubble to bond to the cowl. The excess is sanded away with a Dremel and a sandpaper drum and faired in on the outside with micro. For cutting the flaperon end, a Dremel using a thin diamond disk does the trick very nicely. In the two and a half years we spent on the Lancair, we used up three Dremels and lots of diamond disks. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Bryan, Try Murle Williams._www.MurleWilliamsAviation.com_ (http://www.MurleWilliamsAviation.com) In a message dated 10/23/2008 7:09:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bughntr@comcast.net writes: I need to replace the end seals/caps on the flaperons on my model II and was looking for any good ideas for material, techniques etc. Have seen wood and/or foam used but was looking for the best ideas. Thanks Bryan Q Model II (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics check it out! http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:57 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Thanks and I'll try to spell "you" right the next time. I guess it comes from living in a country with mostly spruce and birch trees. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Jones Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps "Douglas Fir" David Kitfox, Model III, HKS On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Noel Loveys wrote: I knew the "fur" was a typo but I haven't been able to think of what yow actually meant. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Logan Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Thanks Peter and Dee, we got a good laugh out of that one. Mike _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Pete sorry for the poor spelling and missed words. Some have better educations than others and that short coming shows in my writing skills. I will try to do better in the future. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Graichen Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps Did you dye the fur to match the paint? _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2008 09:43 Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used fur and it worked just also. Dee Young Model II Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Perkins, Mike Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps I used basswood on my flaperon endcaps. It's a little harder and more durable than balsawood, but still very easy to sand and shape. - Mike Perkins href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:58 PM PST US From: Charles Boccaccio Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Towing a banner? YES I use my Kitfox III regularly to tow banners along the beaches of Puerto Va llarta, Mexico. I'll post a link so all can see my kitfox performing an aer ial banner pick up. I have-three banner-hook release mechanisms install ed on the belly of the airplane so I can pick up and-fly-three seperate banners with out having to land. - Charlie, Kitfox III, serial 889, Puerto Vallarta, Mexico --- On Thu, 10/23/08, jerry evans wrote: From: jerry evans Subject: Kitfox-List: Towing a banner? Has anyone ever towed a banner behind the Kitfox? If so what are the pros a nd cons in doing this ? Thanks for any input. Jerry Evans KitfoxII Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon End Caps From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." On Fri, October 24, 2008 6:43 am, Dee Young wrote: > I used fur and it worked just also. > > Dee Young > Model II You've got to be kidding! Fur? I just can't quite visualize that. -- Paul A. Franz, P.E. 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