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1. 05:46 AM - Re: cabin heater (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 11:04 AM - Re: cabin heater (darinh)
3. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: cabin heater Plumbing question (Randy Daughenbaugh)
4. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: cabin heater Plumbing question (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
5. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: cabin heater (patrick reilly)
6. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: cabin heater Plumbing question (patrick reilly)
7. 08:19 PM - 8" wheels (AKFLYERBOB)
8. 09:11 PM - Re: Re: cabin heater Plumbing question (Randy Daughenbaugh)
9. 09:49 PM - Re: cabin heater (darinh)
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater |
Charles,
My cabin heater is as you describe. It puts out more heat then my Triumph
TR3 (which isn't much). Overall I would say it is worth it. I use it in the
winter but then I am in Florida.
And yes we do have a little winter here in the Panhandle. It gets down to the
low 20's on occasion
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater |
My cabin heat comes from the same setup you have but uses two fans. It buts out
some serious heat...enough that I can usually just run the hot coolant through
the heater core and not even need to run the fans (this is down to about 40
degrees F ambient). When it gets colder, I run the fan for 30 seconds to a minute
and that is good for awhile. I think I will put the switch for the fans
on a potentiometer so I can vary the speed that way I won't have to turn it on
and off. I also but a cable actuated shut-off valve in the supply line so I
don't get cooked in the summer months.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater Plumbing question |
I too would like to get more heat out of my heater.
I have my heater core and the radiator plumbed in parallel. I have a shut
off valve in the loop to the heater core. But even when the valve is open,
I am sure that most coolant goes to the radiator. I am hesitant to put a
valve or any restriction in the line to the radiator for safety reasons even
though I am sure that would make the heater work better.
Do any of you have it plumbed to put all the flow through the heater core
all of the time?
Randy
Model 5/7 912S
Warpdrive taper tip
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: cabin heater
My cabin heat comes from the same setup you have but uses two fans. It buts
out some serious heat...enough that I can usually just run the hot coolant
through the heater core and not even need to run the fans (this is down to
about 40 degrees F ambient). When it gets colder, I run the fan for 30
seconds to a minute and that is good for awhile. I think I will put the
switch for the fans on a potentiometer so I can vary the speed that way I
won't have to turn it on and off. I also but a cable actuated shut-off
valve in the supply line so I don't get cooked in the summer months.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater Plumbing question |
On Fri, October 31, 2008 11:25 am, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>
> I too would like to get more heat out of my heater.
>
> I have my heater core and the radiator plumbed in parallel. I have a shut
> off valve in the loop to the heater core. But even when the valve is open,
> I am sure that most coolant goes to the radiator. I am hesitant to put a
> valve or any restriction in the line to the radiator for safety reasons even
> though I am sure that would make the heater work better.
Assuming the engine has a T-stat, then if you connect the heater supply line upstream
of the T-Stat, you'll get the flow you need through your heater core. The return
line
from the heater should be connected somewhere on the low pressure side of the water
pump. You should not need any further restriction to induce flow through the heater
core. There is enough flow restriction through the T-stat to induce flow into the
heater core.
Don't connect the cooling radiator and the heater core in series. Connecting them
in
parallel won't work very well or at all either.
You'll probably need a control valve in the heater line, however some people only
block air flow through the heater core for control. That's not as good because
you
don't get ventilation air when it's too warm to use the heater.
>
> Do any of you have it plumbed to put all the flow through the heater core
> all of the time?
>
> Randy
> Model 5/7 912S
> Warpdrive taper tip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:03 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: cabin heater
>
>
> My cabin heat comes from the same setup you have but uses two fans. It buts
> out some serious heat...enough that I can usually just run the hot coolant
> through the heater core and not even need to run the fans (this is down to
> about 40 degrees F ambient). When it gets colder, I run the fan for 30
> seconds to a minute and that is good for awhile. I think I will put the
> switch for the fans on a potentiometer so I can vary the speed that way I
> won't have to turn it on and off. I also but a cable actuated shut-off
> valve in the supply line so I don't get cooked in the summer months.
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211370#211370
>
>
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater |
Darin=2C Where did you get the shut-off valve? Does it reroute the fluid fl
ow by blocking one passage=2C or does it simply open the heater circuit? I
need to set one up on my Mod 3.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
Do Not Archive> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: cabin heater> From: gerns25@netsc
ape.net> Date: Fri=2C 31 Oct 2008 11:03:28 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics
> My cabin heat comes from the same setup you have but uses two fans. It b
uts out some serious heat...enough that I can usually just run the hot cool
ant through the heater core and not even need to run the fans (this is down
to about 40 degrees F ambient). When it gets colder=2C I run the fan for 3
0 seconds to a minute and that is good for awhile. I think I will put the s
witch for the fans on a potentiometer so I can vary the speed that way I wo
n't have to turn it on and off. I also but a cable actuated shut-off valve
in the supply line so I don't get cooked in the summer months.> > -------->
Darin Hawkes> Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)> 914 Turbo> Kaysville=2C
Utah> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/
=====================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater Plumbing question |
Randy & Darin=2C What size hose is the radiator hose and what size is the h
eater hose? I haven't got my 582 set up yet=2C but my heater core tubes are
for 5/8" hose with the radiator hose being 1" I would imagine that the lar
gest point of restriction (least flow) would be at the thermostat. Whether
the thermostat restriction would result in more or less flow than a 5/8's h
ose=2C I don't know=2C but am interested in finding out because I was plann
ing on putting all coolant thru heater core in winter. However the cable ac
uated valve Darin uses may be the answer if you could leave it at a partial
ly open setting and adjust the coolant temp. if too much restriction result
ed with full flow through the heater core.
Do Not Archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL > From: rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: cabin heater Plumbing question> Date: Fri
Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>> > I too would like to get more heat
out of my heater.> > I have my heater core and the radiator plumbed in para
llel. I have a shut> off valve in the loop to the heater core. But even whe
n the valve is open=2C> I am sure that most coolant goes to the radiator. I
am hesitant to put a> valve or any restriction in the line to the radiator
for safety reasons even> though I am sure that would make the heater work
better.> > Do any of you have it plumbed to put all the flow through the he
ater core> all of the time?> > Randy> Model 5/7 912S> Warpdrive taper tip>
> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.co
m> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh> Sen
t: Friday=2C October 31=2C 2008 12:03 PM> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Su
"darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>> > My cabin heat comes from the same setup
you have but uses two fans. It buts> out some serious heat...enough that I
can usually just run the hot coolant> through the heater core and not even
need to run the fans (this is down to> about 40 degrees F ambient). When it
gets colder=2C I run the fan for 30> seconds to a minute and that is good
for awhile. I think I will put the> switch for the fans on a potentiometer
so I can vary the speed that way I> won't have to turn it on and off. I als
o but a cable actuated shut-off> valve in the supply line so I don't get co
oked in the summer months.> > --------> Darin Hawkes> Series 7 (Phase 1 - F
light Testing)> 914 Turbo> Kaysville=2C Utah> > > > > Read this topic onlin
e here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211370#211370> > >
===========> > >
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I'm looking for a set of the 8" wheels and brakes
If any body out there has some they would sell,
I'd be interested. I could get by with just the wheels
with the brake lugs welded in.
Thanks
Bob
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Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
KF Mod I and III
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater Plumbing question |
Paul,
Thanks for your response. A thermostat sounds great! I need to look for a
way to add one ... in the right place.
Thanks much!
Randy
Pat, I need to check hose size. I think that I did have to get reducers....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul A. Franz,
P.E.
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: cabin heater Plumbing question
<paul@eucleides.com>
On Fri, October 31, 2008 11:25 am, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> I too would like to get more heat out of my heater.
>
> I have my heater core and the radiator plumbed in parallel. I have a
shut
> off valve in the loop to the heater core. But even when the valve is
open,
> I am sure that most coolant goes to the radiator. I am hesitant to put a
> valve or any restriction in the line to the radiator for safety reasons
even
> though I am sure that would make the heater work better.
Assuming the engine has a T-stat, then if you connect the heater supply line
upstream
of the T-Stat, you'll get the flow you need through your heater core. The
return line
from the heater should be connected somewhere on the low pressure side of
the water
pump. You should not need any further restriction to induce flow through the
heater
core. There is enough flow restriction through the T-stat to induce flow
into the
heater core.
Don't connect the cooling radiator and the heater core in series. Connecting
them in
parallel won't work very well or at all either.
You'll probably need a control valve in the heater line, however some people
only
block air flow through the heater core for control. That's not as good
because you
don't get ventilation air when it's too warm to use the heater.
>
> Do any of you have it plumbed to put all the flow through the heater core
> all of the time?
>
> Randy
> Model 5/7 912S
> Warpdrive taper tip
>
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater |
Pat,
I got the shut off valve and cable from Napa auto parts. I don't recall the part
number but it was a stock item and I went through what they had until I found
one that fit. It simply closes the heater circuit when shut. So far it has
worked like a champ.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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