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1. 12:21 AM - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 04:34 AM - Tail wheel Instruction ()
3. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: cabin heater Plumbing question (SUE MICHAELS)
4. 10:06 AM - Re: Re: cabin heater (SUE MICHAELS)
5. 12:40 PM - Re: cabin heater (darinh)
6. 12:57 PM - Re: cabin heater Plumbing question (darinh)
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| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
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| Subject: | Tail wheel Instruction |
Hi,
I bought a Kitfox a little over a month ago and I need the tail wheel
endorsement be for I can fly it. Does anyone know of an instructor near
the Western New York area that has kitfox time or would come and
instruct in my plane? Is there an instructor some where that I can go
too that has a kitfox?
Thanks, Loel
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater Plumbing question |
I picked up an inline-1" inch (other size are available) thermostat housi
ng from a motorcycle / ATV bone yard for $5. You can find them in many conf
igurations so you won't have to run your hose to the tail and back. The Hon
da car thermostat fit into-my old Ninja 1000 motorcycle housing. If a the
rmostats fails it generally fails in the open position. In the summer if yo
ur worried remove the thermostat from the housing. =0A-=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A
=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Randy Daughenbaugh <rjdaugh@rapidnet
.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:11
:02 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: cabin heater Plumbing question=0A=0A
om>=0A=0APaul,=0AThanks for your response.- A thermostat sounds great!-
I need to look for a=0Away to add one ... in the right place.=0A=0AThanks
much!=0ARandy=0A=0APat, I need to check hose size.- I think that I did ha
ve to get reducers....=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: own
er-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matr
onics.com] On Behalf Of Paul A. Franz,=0AP.E.=0ASent: Friday, October 31, 2
008 3:01 PM=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re:
ul A. Franz, P.E."=0A<paul@eucleides.com>=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, October 31, 2008
"Randy Daughenbaugh"=0A<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>=0A>=0A> I too would like to g
et more heat out of my heater.=0A>=0A> I have my heater core and the radiat
or plumbed in parallel.- I have a=0Ashut=0A> off valve in the loop to the
heater core.- But even when the valve is=0Aopen,=0A> I am sure that most
coolant goes to the radiator.- I am hesitant to put a=0A> valve or any r
estriction in the line to the radiator for safety reasons=0Aeven=0A> though
I am sure that would make the heater work better.=0A=0AAssuming the engine
has a T-stat, then if you connect the heater supply line=0Aupstream=0Aof t
he T-Stat, you'll get the flow you need through your heater core. The=0Aret
urn line=0Afrom the heater should be connected somewhere on the low pressur
e side of=0Athe water=0Apump. You should not need any further restriction t
o induce flow through the=0Aheater=0Acore. There is enough flow restriction
through the T-stat to induce flow=0Ainto the=0Aheater core.=0A=0ADon't con
nect the cooling radiator and the heater core in series. Connecting=0Athem
in=0Aparallel won't work very well or at all either.=0A=0AYou'll probably n
eed a control valve in the heater line, however some people=0Aonly=0Ablock
air flow through the heater core for control. That's not as good=0Abecause
you=0Adon't get ventilation air when it's too warm to use the heater.=0A=0A
>=0A> Do any of you have it plumbed to put all the flow through the heater
core=0A> all of the time?=0A>=0A> Randy=0A> Model 5/7- 912S=0A> Warpdrive
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater |
I think the shut off valve from Napa ($20?) is probably # 6601141 5/8" with
-the cable in-line to the hose. Kragen Auto-# 74627 sells for around $1
5. You can-see pictures on their Web sites.=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A-----
Original Message ----=0AFrom: darinh <gerns25@netscape.net>=0ATo: kitfox-li
st@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:49:28 PM=0ASubject: Kit
<gerns25@netscape.net>=0A=0APat,=0A=0AI got the shut off valve and cable f
rom Napa auto parts.- I don't recall the part number but it was a stock i
tem and I went through what they had until I found one that fit.- It simp
ly closes the heater circuit when shut.- So far it has worked like a cham
p.=0A=0A--------=0ADarin Hawkes=0ASeries 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)=0A914
Turbo=0AKaysville, Utah=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Aht
tp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211441#211441=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater |
I couldn't find the Napa part # on their website but the one listed on Partsamerica.com
(#74627) is the exact valve I used. Here is a pic of it from their website
and a pic installed in my bird. The supplied 1/2" coolant hose took a
bit of coaxing to get over the 5/8" barbed ends of the valve but with a little
lubricant they will go on.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater Plumbing question |
Randy,
I don't really know how much coolant goes through my heater core...I just know
that my heater puts out a ton of heat. My valve is in the heater circuit not
in the radiator circuit so if it fails open or closed it does not affect the coolant
flow from the engine to radiator or visa-versa. I do have a set of radiator
louvers that are produced by Lowell but have not got them installed yet
as I have not needed them with the H20 temps I have but I suspect in another month
or so they will be necessary. This simply restricts the amount of air that
passes through the radiator and thus allows the pilot to control the water
temp. I posted a pic of my valve installation on the other thread titles "Cabin
Heater".
I looked at installing a thermostat on my coolant and oil but opted not to simply
to reduce the complexity (and chances for failure) of the plumbing system.
I like the idea of the manually controlled louvers much better than the thermostat
for coolant and for oil, my last Fox simply had an adjustable aluminum plate
that reduced the airflow over the oil cooler to keep the temps up in the
winter months. Having said this, I know two guys that run the oil thermostat
on the Rotax and have had 0 problems with them. I have had plenty of problems
with automotive thermostats.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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