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1. 08:34 AM - Re: KF 2 wing damage (Joe Bruman)
2. 10:03 AM - Re: KF 2 wing damage (Frank Miles)
3. 11:09 AM - Re: KF 2 wing damage (Dave G)
4. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: No Title (patrick reilly)
5. 11:40 AM - Re: (patrick reilly)
6. 01:11 PM - New items listed (Rick)
7. 01:12 PM - NEEDED Prop & gear (charles cook)
8. 01:24 PM - Re: KF 2 wing damage (Firm)
9. 02:09 PM - Re: New items listed (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
10. 03:11 PM - Re: (Marco Menezes)
11. 04:03 PM - Re: (patrick reilly)
12. 08:10 PM - Re: NEEDED Prop & gear (rudderdancer)
13. 09:18 PM - Re: Re: cabin heater (patrick reilly)
14. 09:33 PM - Oil Tank (Pat Reilly)
15. 09:33 PM - Oil Tank (Pat Reilly)
16. 09:33 PM - Oil Tank (Pat Reilly)
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| Subject: | KF 2 wing damage |
Noel,--- Thanks for the input. I've talked to john Mcbean. they offer
a spar but doesn't have the extruded web. I've since pulled most of the de
nt out. We're going to put-a patch front & back. Does anyone have any par
ts from a speed wing conversion? (ie;ribs,spar tube peice)-----
------ Thanks John S.-
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage
You=A2re doing the right thing by looking for a new spar.- Why not try Jo
hn Mc Bean?
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Spar repairs are always suspect.- With this type of spar The only repair
that I can see working is- an outside sleeve.- Trying to find the right
size ID sleeve may be fun and it will add a bit of weight to your plane.
-
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of redline4100@att.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage
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Hello,--- I'm looking for help finding the original 2.5" L.E. spar tu
be with extruded sheer web for my damaged left wing. There is a dent aprx.
4" long not quite out to the strut attach fitting. I'm curious to see if it
can't be repaired. Any & all ideas will be appreciated.-- Thanks, John
S. - -http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Na
vigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | KF 2 wing damage |
Joe,
I understand the desire to repair your wing spar and it indeed may be
possible. I do not who you may have consulted in your quest to determine if
the spar is repairable but I would encourage to seek the advice of a
certified airframe mechanic who has done this type of repair before and not
some "shade tree mechanic", if you get my drift. (The world is full of
people with advice that don't know what they are talking about.) It is not
just matter of "patching" it but it needs to be a properly made "stiffener"
primarily on the side of the dent (possibly both inside and out) which will
now always be prone to bending. An airframe mechanic with this experience
will know what the rule is for his and how the stiffener needs to be
designed. I am not an air frame mechanic but I do speak from experience.
Good luck!
Frank Miles
K- III w/ 582
Clarkston, Wash.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bruman
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage
Noel, Thanks for the input. I've talked to john Mcbean. they offer a spar
but doesn't have the extruded web. I've since pulled most of the dent out.
We're going to put a patch front & back. Does anyone have any parts from a
speed wing conversion? (ie;ribs,spar tube peice) Thanks John S.
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage
You?re doing the right thing by looking for a new spar. Why not try John Mc
Bean?
Spar repairs are always suspect. With this type of spar The only repair
that I can see working is an outside sleeve. Trying to find the right size
ID sleeve may be fun and it will add a bit of weight to your plane.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
redline4100@att.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage
Hello, I'm looking for help finding the original 2.5" L.E. spar tube with
extruded sheer web for my damaged left wing. There is a dent aprx. 4" long
not quite out to the strut attach fitting. I'm curious to see if it can't be
repaired. Any & all ideas will be appreciated. Thanks, John S.
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| Subject: | Re: KF 2 wing damage |
I am just finishing up after replacing both of my rear spars. One with a
small but deep dent at jury strut attach and the other repaired by prev.
owner with a splice for last three feet. The new spars offered by Kitfox are
much stronger with the insert than the extruded ones ever dreamed of. Given
the extreme ease of replacing a front spar and the expense and time to
recover a wing. I don't think I would even consider a repair. How exactly
would you or could you determine how much strength it has lost?
do not archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Joe Bruman
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:34 PM
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage
>
>
>Noel, Thanks for the input. I've talked to john Mcbean. they offer a
>spar but doesn't have the extruded web. I've since pulled most of the dent
>out. We're going to put a patch front & back. Does anyone >have any parts
>from a speed wing conversion? (ie;ribs,spar tube peice) Thanks
>John S.
>--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
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Leonard=2C WOW! Thanks for the info. I'll run it the way it is=2C and see w
hat happens.
Do Not Archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: No Title> From: akflyer_2000@yaho
o.com> Date: Thu=2C 6 Nov 2008 23:50:08 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.co
> My brothers 582 is pulling nav lights=2C radios=2C GPS=2C 3 strobes=2C h
eater and intercom with no issues. The wattage does not add up to that much
. You can pull 170 watts with the 582 lighting coil.> > --------> DO NOT AR
CHIVE> Leonard Perry> Soldotna AK> Avid "=3BC"=3B / Mk IV > 582 IVO
IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95% complete> > > > > Read this topic online here:>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212879#212879> > > > > > >
===============> > >
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Noel=2C OK=2C Leonard said I should haave no problem. I do have older 1996
Aeroflash strobes. I'll see how much power they use=2C but it sounds like I
'm OK. Thanks for info.
Do Not Archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Date: Fri=2C 7 Nov 2008 00:49:01 -0330
Newer Strobes ~ 1A
Nav lights ~ 1A if that much
Radio ~ 500 ma receive / up to 5A Tx. You should have plenty of power!
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Thursday=2C November 06
=2C 2008 11:38 PMTo: kitfox matronicsSubject: Kitfox-List:
582 Drivers=2C I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that was originally equiped with a 9
12 that I am installing a 582 in. the plane has strobes=2C nav lights and a
radio. I fear that my lighting coil will not put out enough power to handl
e all those electrics. I remember seeing a set up for an auxillary alternat
or belt drive off of the prop hub.=2C maybe from CPS=2C I don't know. I rem
ember that it seemed to cost 3 X what I thought it should. Anyone out there
have experience with one or have designed one yourself.do not archivePat R
eillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2CIL http://www.matronics.com/contributionh
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | New items listed |
I have put a few more items up on ebay. Please take a look.
Rick
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260312314
872&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&viewitem>
&item=260312314872&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&viewitem
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| Subject: | NEEDED Prop & gear |
Okay, so we are putting this thing back together. I am in the market for a
prop for 582 ( I have hub and spinner for 3 blade GSC)-and gear for model
II. Right now I have been told the gear on later model IVs will not work b
ecause of the brakes. Any wisdom/experience would be most appreciated.
Charles Cook
N363KF -582
ATL=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: KF 2 wing damage |
I would think that repairing a spar is flirting with disaster. Not much you can
do when an outboard wing folds up. Please be careful.
Howard
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212945#212945
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| Subject: | Re: New items listed |
On Fri, November 7, 2008 1:11 pm, Rick wrote:
> I have put a few more items up on ebay. Please take a look.
You show 4 things in a picture and give this as the description:
<quote>
These were purchased directly from the old Sky Star at 55 dollars each. I only
used
the new ones less than 50 hours before the aircraft was parted out. I am also
including 3 of the original elastomers, friction washer and the mount part. as
well.
Good luck.
</quote>
Are they new or used? How many are there? You need to give a description of what
they
are for, how many you're selling and the condition, new or used. Sounds to me like
you're selling 4 that are used (shown in the photo) and giving away 3 old worn
out
ones, but it's certainly not clear.
You also say "old Sky Star". Is there a new one? Maybe you meant simply 'Skystar'.
>
>
> Rick
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260312314
> 872&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&viewitem>
> &item=260312314872&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&viewitem
>
>
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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Pat,
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I have a set of really old strobes (circa 1989) that I run along with a Mic
roair 760 radio. No nav lights. There seems to be plenty of power for these
and to keep the battery well charged.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
--- On Fri, 11/7/08, patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:
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Noel, OK, Leonard said I should haave no problem. I do have older 1996 Aero
flash strobes. I'll see how much power they use, but it sounds like I'm OK.
Thanks for info.
-
Do Not Archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:
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Newer Strobes- ~- 1A
Nav lights -~ 1A -if that much
Radio- ~ 500 ma receive / up to 5A Tx.- You should have plenty of power
!
-
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:38 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List:
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582 Drivers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that was originally equiped with a 912
that I am installing a 582 in. the plane has strobes, nav lights and a rad
io. I fear that my lighting coil will not put out enough power to handle al
l those electrics. I remember seeing a set up for an auxillary alternator b
elt-drive off of the prop hub., maybe from CPS, I don't know. I remember
that it seemed to cost 3 X what I thought it should. Anyone out there have
experience with one or have designed one yourself.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL--http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
ronics.com
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Marco=2C Great to hear from you. That's 3 in a row that say I have plentty
of power. That's enough to convince me.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
Kitfox-List:To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Pat=2C
I have a set of really old strobes (circa 1989) that I run along with a Mic
roair 760 radio. No nav lights. There seems to be plenty of power for these
and to keep the battery well charged.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1--- On Fri=2C 11/7/08=2C patrick reilly <patreilly4
3@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:To:
"kitfox matronics" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>Date: Friday=2C November 7=2C
2008=2C 2:40 PM
Noel=2C OK=2C Leonard said I should haave no problem. I do have older 1996
Aeroflash strobes. I'll see how much power they use=2C but it sounds like I
'm OK. Thanks for info. Do Not ArchivePat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford
=2C IL
From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Date: Fri=2C 7 Nov 2008 00:49:01 -0330
Newer Strobes ~ 1A
Nav lights ~ 1A if that much
Radio ~ 500 ma receive / up to 5A Tx. You should have plenty of power!
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Thursday=2C November 06
=2C 2008 11:38 PMTo: kitfox matronicsSubject: Kitfox-List:
582 Drivers=2C I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that was originally equiped with a 9
12 that I am installing a 582 in. the plane has strobes=2C nav lights and a
radio. I fear that my lighting coil will not put out enough power to handl
e all those electrics. I remember seeing a set up for an auxillary alternat
or belt drive off of the prop hub.=2C maybe from CPS=2C I don't know. I rem
ember that it seemed to cost 3 X what I thought it should. Anyone out there
have experience with one or have designed one yourself.do not archivePat R
eillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2CIL
http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?K
itfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
ronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: NEEDED Prop & gear |
Hi Charles,
I think I have a pair of Model II gear legs. I'll check in the morning and
let you know. I'll have to weight them and find out what the freight would
be, unless someone else knows.
Regards,
Jack Hall
Victorville, CA. 92392
--------
J. Henry Hall
Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
rusty pilot.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212992#212992
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| Subject: | Re: cabin heater |
Kitfoxers=2C Need more coolant plumbing help. Thank you Darin and George. R
eceived my 5/8" Kragen (Parts America) valve yesterday. Now I need 2@ 1"x1"
x5/8" tees to plumb in the heater core and a 1"x1"x1/4" tee to plumb in a "
steam vent " line. My coolant tank doesn't have a provision to run the line
to it. And=2C I don't want to spend what CPS wants for a new tank. Evident
ly the guy I bought the FWF 582 from didn't have a "steam" vent line. Anybo
dy got a source for these tees?
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
: Kitfox-List: Re: cabin heaterTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
I think the shut off valve from Napa ($20?) is probably # 6601141 5/8" with
the cable in-line to the hose. Kragen Auto # 74627 sells for around $15. Y
ou can see pictures on their Web sites.
George
----- Original Message ----From: darinh <gerns25@netscape.net>To: kitfox-li
st@matronics.comSent: Friday=2C October 31=2C 2008 9:49:28 PMSubject: Kitfo
5@netscape.net>Pat=2CI got the shut off valve and cable from Napa auto part
s. I don't recall the part number but it was a stock item and I went throu
gh what they had until I found one that fit. It simply closes the heater c
ircuit when shut. So far it has worked like a champ.--------Darin HawkesSe
ries 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)914 TurboKaysville=2C UtahRead this topic
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Kitfoxers, I am looking for an oil tank like the one on the Classic IV
$21750 on barnstormers. It is mounted on firewall just behind bluehead
582. Can't find in catolog. Owner not builder, can't help. Hey, John
McBean you don't sell that tank do you?
Pat Reilly
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Kitfoxers, I am trying to find an oil tank like the one pictured on the
Classic IV $21750 on Barnstormers. It is attached to firewall just
behind the bluehead 582. It doesn't seem to conform to any I can find in
catologs. The owner answered my e-mail, isn't the builder and can't help
me. Hey John McBean you don't sell that tank do you?
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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Kitfoxers, I am trying to find an oil tank like the one pictured on the
Classic IV $21750 on Barnstormers. It is attached to firewall just
behind the bluehead 582. It doesn't seem to conform to any I can find in
catologs. The owner answered my e-mail, isn't the builder and can't help
me. Hey John McBean you don't sell that tank do you?
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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