---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/07/08: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:34 AM - Re: KF 2 wing damage (Joe Bruman) 2. 10:03 AM - Re: KF 2 wing damage (Frank Miles) 3. 11:09 AM - Re: KF 2 wing damage (Dave G) 4. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: No Title (patrick reilly) 5. 11:40 AM - Re: (patrick reilly) 6. 01:11 PM - New items listed (Rick) 7. 01:12 PM - NEEDED Prop & gear (charles cook) 8. 01:24 PM - Re: KF 2 wing damage (Firm) 9. 02:09 PM - Re: New items listed (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) 10. 03:11 PM - Re: (Marco Menezes) 11. 04:03 PM - Re: (patrick reilly) 12. 08:10 PM - Re: NEEDED Prop & gear (rudderdancer) 13. 09:18 PM - Re: Re: cabin heater (patrick reilly) 14. 09:33 PM - Oil Tank (Pat Reilly) 15. 09:33 PM - Oil Tank (Pat Reilly) 16. 09:33 PM - Oil Tank (Pat Reilly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:51 AM PST US From: Joe Bruman Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage Noel,--- Thanks for the input. I've talked to john Mcbean. they offer a spar but doesn't have the extruded web. I've since pulled most of the de nt out. We're going to put-a patch front & back. Does anyone have any par ts from a speed wing conversion? (ie;ribs,spar tube peice)----- ------ Thanks John S.- --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Noel Loveys wrote: From: Noel Loveys Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage You=A2re doing the right thing by looking for a new spar.- Why not try Jo hn Mc Bean? - Spar repairs are always suspect.- With this type of spar The only repair that I can see working is- an outside sleeve.- Trying to find the right size ID sleeve may be fun and it will add a bit of weight to your plane. - Noel - From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of redline4100@att.net Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage - Hello,--- I'm looking for help finding the original 2.5" L.E. spar tu be with extruded sheer web for my damaged left wing. There is a dent aprx. 4" long not quite out to the strut attach fitting. I'm curious to see if it can't be repaired. Any & all ideas will be appreciated.-- Thanks, John S. - -http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Na vigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:33 AM PST US From: "Frank Miles" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage Joe, I understand the desire to repair your wing spar and it indeed may be possible. I do not who you may have consulted in your quest to determine if the spar is repairable but I would encourage to seek the advice of a certified airframe mechanic who has done this type of repair before and not some "shade tree mechanic", if you get my drift. (The world is full of people with advice that don't know what they are talking about.) It is not just matter of "patching" it but it needs to be a properly made "stiffener" primarily on the side of the dent (possibly both inside and out) which will now always be prone to bending. An airframe mechanic with this experience will know what the rule is for his and how the stiffener needs to be designed. I am not an air frame mechanic but I do speak from experience. Good luck! Frank Miles K- III w/ 582 Clarkston, Wash. _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bruman Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage Noel, Thanks for the input. I've talked to john Mcbean. they offer a spar but doesn't have the extruded web. I've since pulled most of the dent out. We're going to put a patch front & back. Does anyone have any parts from a speed wing conversion? (ie;ribs,spar tube peice) Thanks John S. --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Noel Loveys wrote: From: Noel Loveys Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage You?re doing the right thing by looking for a new spar. Why not try John Mc Bean? Spar repairs are always suspect. With this type of spar The only repair that I can see working is an outside sleeve. Trying to find the right size ID sleeve may be fun and it will add a bit of weight to your plane. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of redline4100@att.net Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage Hello, I'm looking for help finding the original 2.5" L.E. spar tube with extruded sheer web for my damaged left wing. There is a dent aprx. 4" long not quite out to the strut attach fitting. I'm curious to see if it can't be repaired. Any & all ideas will be appreciated. Thanks, John S. http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution arget=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:49 AM PST US From: "Dave G" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage I am just finishing up after replacing both of my rear spars. One with a small but deep dent at jury strut attach and the other repaired by prev. owner with a splice for last three feet. The new spars offered by Kitfox are much stronger with the insert than the extruded ones ever dreamed of. Given the extreme ease of replacing a front spar and the expense and time to recover a wing. I don't think I would even consider a repair. How exactly would you or could you determine how much strength it has lost? do not archive >----- Original Message ----- >From: Joe Bruman >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:34 PM >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF 2 wing damage > > >Noel, Thanks for the input. I've talked to john Mcbean. they offer a >spar but doesn't have the extruded web. I've since pulled most of the dent >out. We're going to put a patch front & back. Does anyone >have any parts >from a speed wing conversion? (ie;ribs,spar tube peice) Thanks >John S. >--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Noel Loveys wrote: ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:01 AM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: No Title Leonard=2C WOW! Thanks for the info. I'll run it the way it is=2C and see w hat happens. Do Not Archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: No Title> From: akflyer_2000@yaho o.com> Date: Thu=2C 6 Nov 2008 23:50:08 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.co > My brothers 582 is pulling nav lights=2C radios=2C GPS=2C 3 strobes=2C h eater and intercom with no issues. The wattage does not add up to that much . You can pull 170 watts with the 582 lighting coil.> > --------> DO NOT AR CHIVE> Leonard Perry> Soldotna AK> Avid "=3BC"=3B / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95% complete> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212879#212879> > > > > > > ===============> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:40 AM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Noel=2C OK=2C Leonard said I should haave no problem. I do have older 1996 Aeroflash strobes. I'll see how much power they use=2C but it sounds like I 'm OK. Thanks for info. Do Not Archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L ist: Date: Fri=2C 7 Nov 2008 00:49:01 -0330 Newer Strobes ~ 1A Nav lights ~ 1A if that much Radio ~ 500 ma receive / up to 5A Tx. You should have plenty of power! Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Thursday=2C November 06 =2C 2008 11:38 PMTo: kitfox matronicsSubject: Kitfox-List: 582 Drivers=2C I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that was originally equiped with a 9 12 that I am installing a 582 in. the plane has strobes=2C nav lights and a radio. I fear that my lighting coil will not put out enough power to handl e all those electrics. I remember seeing a set up for an auxillary alternat or belt drive off of the prop hub.=2C maybe from CPS=2C I don't know. I rem ember that it seemed to cost 3 X what I thought it should. Anyone out there have experience with one or have designed one yourself.do not archivePat R eillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2CIL http://www.matronics.com/contributionh ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:59 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: Kitfox-List: New items listed I have put a few more items up on ebay. Please take a look. Rick http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=260312314872&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&viewitem ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:00 PM PST US From: charles cook Subject: Kitfox-List: NEEDED Prop & gear Okay, so we are putting this thing back together. I am in the market for a prop for 582 ( I have hub and spinner for 3 blade GSC)-and gear for model II. Right now I have been told the gear on later model IVs will not work b ecause of the brakes. Any wisdom/experience would be most appreciated. Charles Cook N363KF -582 ATL=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:58 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KF 2 wing damage From: "Firm" I would think that repairing a spar is flirting with disaster. Not much you can do when an outboard wing folds up. Please be careful. Howard Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212945#212945 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New items listed From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." On Fri, November 7, 2008 1:11 pm, Rick wrote: > I have put a few more items up on ebay. Please take a look. You show 4 things in a picture and give this as the description: These were purchased directly from the old Sky Star at 55 dollars each. I only used the new ones less than 50 hours before the aircraft was parted out. I am also including 3 of the original elastomers, friction washer and the mount part. as well. Good luck. Are they new or used? How many are there? You need to give a description of what they are for, how many you're selling and the condition, new or used. Sounds to me like you're selling 4 that are used (shown in the photo) and giving away 3 old worn out ones, but it's certainly not clear. You also say "old Sky Star". Is there a new one? Maybe you meant simply 'Skystar'. > > > Rick > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > 872&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&viewitem> > &item=260312314872&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&viewitem > > -- Paul A. Franz, P.E. PAF Consulting Engineers Office 425.440.9505 Cell 425.241.1618 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:06 PM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Pat, - I have a set of really old strobes (circa 1989) that I run along with a Mic roair 760 radio. No nav lights. There seems to be plenty of power for these and to keep the battery well charged. - Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 --- On Fri, 11/7/08, patrick reilly wrote: From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: #yiv1453573636 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1453573636 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Noel, OK, Leonard said I should haave no problem. I do have older 1996 Aero flash strobes. I'll see how much power they use, but it sounds like I'm OK. Thanks for info. - Do Not Archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', 'ser if';} #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass span.EC _MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass span .EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New R oman', 'serif';} #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass pre {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Courier New';} #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass span.EC_HTMLPreformattedChar {font-family:Consolas;} #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle20 {font-family:'Times New Roman', 'serif';color:windowtext;font-weight:normal ;font-style:normal;} #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass .EC_MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv1453573636 {} #yiv1453573636 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 {} Newer Strobes- ~- 1A Nav lights -~ 1A -if that much Radio- ~ 500 ma receive / up to 5A Tx.- You should have plenty of power ! - Noel - From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:38 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: - 582 Drivers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that was originally equiped with a 912 that I am installing a 582 in. the plane has strobes, nav lights and a rad io. I fear that my lighting coil will not put out enough power to handle al l those electrics. I remember seeing a set up for an auxillary alternator b elt-drive off of the prop hub., maybe from CPS, I don't know. I remember that it seemed to cost 3 X what I thought it should. Anyone out there have experience with one or have designed one yourself. do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford,IL--http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ronics.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:35 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Marco=2C Great to hear from you. That's 3 in a row that say I have plentty of power. That's enough to convince me. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL Kitfox-List:To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Pat=2C I have a set of really old strobes (circa 1989) that I run along with a Mic roair 760 radio. No nav lights. There seems to be plenty of power for these and to keep the battery well charged. Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1--- On Fri=2C 11/7/08=2C patrick reilly wrote: From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:To: "kitfox matronics" Date: Friday=2C November 7=2C 2008=2C 2:40 PM Noel=2C OK=2C Leonard said I should haave no problem. I do have older 1996 Aeroflash strobes. I'll see how much power they use=2C but it sounds like I 'm OK. Thanks for info. Do Not ArchivePat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford =2C IL From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L ist: Date: Fri=2C 7 Nov 2008 00:49:01 -0330 Newer Strobes ~ 1A Nav lights ~ 1A if that much Radio ~ 500 ma receive / up to 5A Tx. You should have plenty of power! Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Thursday=2C November 06 =2C 2008 11:38 PMTo: kitfox matronicsSubject: Kitfox-List: 582 Drivers=2C I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that was originally equiped with a 9 12 that I am installing a 582 in. the plane has strobes=2C nav lights and a radio. I fear that my lighting coil will not put out enough power to handl e all those electrics. I remember seeing a set up for an auxillary alternat or belt drive off of the prop hub.=2C maybe from CPS=2C I don't know. I rem ember that it seemed to cost 3 X what I thought it should. Anyone out there have experience with one or have designed one yourself.do not archivePat R eillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2CIL http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?K itfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:45 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: NEEDED Prop & gear From: "rudderdancer" Hi Charles, I think I have a pair of Model II gear legs. I'll check in the morning and let you know. I'll have to weight them and find out what the freight would be, unless someone else knows. Regards, Jack Hall Victorville, CA. 92392 -------- J. Henry Hall Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires, rusty pilot. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212992#212992 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:11 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: cabin heater Kitfoxers=2C Need more coolant plumbing help. Thank you Darin and George. R eceived my 5/8" Kragen (Parts America) valve yesterday. Now I need 2@ 1"x1" x5/8" tees to plumb in the heater core and a 1"x1"x1/4" tee to plumb in a " steam vent " line. My coolant tank doesn't have a provision to run the line to it. And=2C I don't want to spend what CPS wants for a new tank. Evident ly the guy I bought the FWF 582 from didn't have a "steam" vent line. Anybo dy got a source for these tees? do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL : Kitfox-List: Re: cabin heaterTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com I think the shut off valve from Napa ($20?) is probably # 6601141 5/8" with the cable in-line to the hose. Kragen Auto # 74627 sells for around $15. Y ou can see pictures on their Web sites. George ----- Original Message ----From: darinh To: kitfox-li st@matronics.comSent: Friday=2C October 31=2C 2008 9:49:28 PMSubject: Kitfo 5@netscape.net>Pat=2CI got the shut off valve and cable from Napa auto part s. I don't recall the part number but it was a stock item and I went throu gh what they had until I found one that fit. It simply closes the heater c ircuit when shut. So far it has worked like a champ.--------Darin HawkesSe ries 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)914 TurboKaysville=2C UtahRead this topic online here: 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:20 PM PST US From: "Pat Reilly" Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Tank Kitfoxers, I am looking for an oil tank like the one on the Classic IV $21750 on barnstormers. It is mounted on firewall just behind bluehead 582. Can't find in catolog. Owner not builder, can't help. Hey, John McBean you don't sell that tank do you? Pat Reilly ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:23 PM PST US From: "Pat Reilly" Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Tank Kitfoxers, I am trying to find an oil tank like the one pictured on the Classic IV $21750 on Barnstormers. It is attached to firewall just behind the bluehead 582. It doesn't seem to conform to any I can find in catologs. The owner answered my e-mail, isn't the builder and can't help me. Hey John McBean you don't sell that tank do you? do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:23 PM PST US From: "Pat Reilly" Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Tank Kitfoxers, I am trying to find an oil tank like the one pictured on the Classic IV $21750 on Barnstormers. It is attached to firewall just behind the bluehead 582. It doesn't seem to conform to any I can find in catologs. The owner answered my e-mail, isn't the builder and can't help me. Hey John McBean you don't sell that tank do you? do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.