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1. 01:59 AM - AW: [kitfox] Re: Re: EJ 22 (Johannes Czernin)
2. 05:41 AM - Franklin Engine (Catz631@AOL.COM)
3. 05:48 AM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (Catz631@aol.com)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Picture size (Lynn Matteson)
5. 06:47 AM - Re: Franklin Engine (Lynn Matteson)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: Picture size (paul wilson)
7. 07:40 AM - Re: Windshield fit (darinh)
8. 08:40 AM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (Cmflyboy12@aol.com)
9. 08:45 AM - Re: AW: [kitfox] Re: Re: EJ 22 (Paul Franz)
10. 09:07 AM - Re: Franklin Engine (Paul Franz)
11. 09:35 AM - Re: Franklin Engine (Mnflyer)
12. 09:52 AM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (Noel Loveys)
13. 10:02 AM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (Noel Loveys)
14. 10:05 AM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (Noel Loveys)
15. 10:45 AM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (Dave G)
16. 11:17 AM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (Michael Gibbs)
17. 11:47 AM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (aerobatics@aol.com)
18. 12:15 PM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (Dave G)
19. 12:27 PM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (Michael Gibbs)
20. 01:04 PM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (Paul Franz)
21. 01:12 PM - Re: topic end of life (wandered off in the weeds) (Paul Franz)
22. 04:35 PM - Left Side Throttle (Jim Feldmann)
23. 06:04 PM - Re: Left Side Throttle (Randy Daughenbaugh)
24. 06:05 PM - 582 Coolant routing (patrick reilly)
25. 06:21 PM - Re: 582 Coolant routing (aerobatics@aol.com)
26. 06:30 PM - Re: 582 Coolant routing (aerobatics@aol.com)
27. 06:37 PM - Re: 582 Coolant routing (patrick reilly)
28. 06:45 PM - Re: Left Side Throttle (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
29. 06:55 PM - Re: Franklin Engine (Noel Loveys)
30. 07:18 PM - Re: Left Side Throttle (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
31. 07:31 PM - Re: Picture size (Lynn Matteson)
32. 07:33 PM - Re: Left Side Throttle (Rexinator)
33. 07:35 PM - Re: 582 Coolant routing (aerobatics@aol.com)
34. 07:40 PM - Re: Left Side Throttle (SkySteve)
35. 07:50 PM - Re: Left Side Throttle (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
36. 07:59 PM - Re: Left Side Throttle (Lynn Matteson)
37. 08:20 PM - Re: Left Side Throttle (N81JG@aol.com)
38. 08:45 PM - Re: Left Side Throttle (Jim Crowder)
39. 09:23 PM - Re: 582 Coolant routing (Guy Buchanan)
40. 09:23 PM - Re: [!! SPAM] Left Side Throttle (Guy Buchanan)
41. 10:21 PM - Re: Picture size (Steven Didier)
42. 10:21 PM - Thought I was done (jlfernan)
43. 11:24 PM - using low rpm's on a 582 during final and landing. (rudderdancer)
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Hi, Paul, Mike, and all other old friends,
Indeed, this thread just forces me to join in once more! I was a journalist
for many decades, specialized in work for the automobile press, and I think
I can put some light on this affair. Yes, of course Subaru's history
publications do glorify their greatness - all firms in Japan's industry do
the same when it comes to relating their history. But of course they do not
spend a syllable on the fact that during these times, back then shortly
after World War II, Japan's industry in general owed its comet-like rise in
great parts to the fact that they unashamedly copied whatever they could
find from European manufacturers. Just do a little research on cameras,
optics, machinery, automobiles, aircraft, etc., etc.! :-)
In the particular case of Fuji/Subaru and their four-cylinder
horizontally-opposed engine line this was nothing more than a blunt copy of
the German Lloyd (later Borgward) Arabella engine, first introduced in 1959.
Literally everybody in the European motoring scene knew everything about it
when the first "boxer" engined model from Subaru appeared! A search in the
Internet will enable anybody to find numerous details on this story. Here is
just one link that makes it quite clear:
http://www.borgward.org.uk/brief_history_marques.htm
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Franz
Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. November 2008 04:51
An: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Betreff: [kitfox] Re: Kitfox-List: Re: EJ 22
On Sat, November 22, 2008 6:49 pm, Michael Gibbs wrote:
> --> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> The EA 81 has, perhaps, a more direct lineage from the original
> aircraft engines. There have been a number of derivatives since then.
Here's some authoritative history:
The Origins of Fuji Heavy Industries: Subarus Parent
Today, the name Subaru is synonymous with the car brands current slogan;
The Beauty of All Wheel Drive. Yet one might be surprised to find out that
Subarus roots trace back to Fuji Heavy Industries predecessor, Nakajima
Aircraft. Nakajima, the man who founded the company that bore his name,
caught news of the Wright Brothers successful first flight while he was
enrolled in the Japanese navy and soon thereafter became involved in
building airplanes for his countrys military. Eventually, Nakajima left the
military to found Nakajima Aircraft Co, Ltd, which would eventually become
Japans primary aircraft manufacturer.
However, once World War II had ended and aircraft production could no longer
continue, the company was faced with a predicament. The name was changed to
Fuji Sangyo Co. and a new focus was begun in an effort to use their aircraft
technologies in other fields.
Fuji Sangyo soon entered small markets that eventually led it to the
automotive business. However in 1950, a corporate credit rearrangement law
forced Fuji Sangyo to split into 12 separate companies including Fuji Heavy
Industries Ltd. Over a period of two years, various investors merged to form
the currently known Fuji Heavy Industries (FHI).FHIs First Car & The
Beginning of Subaru
As FHI was trying to expand their markets and utilize their experience in
the aircraft field, they created their first prototype car which was
announced in February 1954, the P-1. The car featured the first monocoque
body manufactured in Japan.
Kenji Kita, FHIs first president, was adamant that Japanese cars should
have Japanese names and was very passionate about this in regards to this
prototype P-1.
While Kita had looked for ideas to name the car, he settled on a name he
had been secretly wanting: Subaru.
Subaru is a star cluster in the Taurus constellation that are familiar to
some as the Pleiades. The star cluster is most noticeable by the six star
pattern, also known as mustura-boshi, which can be found represented in
todays Subaru logo.
Now that Kenji Kita had established a name, the P-1 was officially called
the Subaru 1500. While this car represented FHI (and now Subarus) move into
the automotive segment, they failed to maintain sales due to insufficient
funding and sales network.
Read more here:
<http://www.subdriven.com/news/publish/Features/article_237.shtml>
--
Paul A. Franz
Aircraft/Engine/Prop - Merlin GT N14UW/Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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As mentioned by another member, If I had a Fox 5,6,7 and was considering an
O-200 for my powerplant I would sure check out the Franklin Engine. The new
PZL-Franklin 4A-235 engine is FAA certified,125 hp !!! and only $6900.00 !!!
! It
lists as being only a few lbs different in weight than the O-200. They have
a
Kitfox 5,6,7 special on their web site _franklinengines.com_
(franklinengines.com) including mount,exhaust,mags,etc. This is a new engin
e and 125 hp !!
Franklins are damm good engines. The only thing is,I don't think they are ma
de in
the US anymore. Poland I think. Parts might be a problem,or not. But what
about Rotax or Jabaru. Heck we don't have many US engines to use anyway. I w
ould
love to put this in my 4 but my useful load would allow only me (and then on
ly
if I did not eat breakfast) I would sure like to hear if anyone has checked
in to this engine.It sounds to me like the way to go.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
912UL
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
Welcome aboard Chuck. Pretty flying up in West virginia !
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size |
I'll second the motion, Pat...they don't take long to download on my
dial-up system, and only show as 455KB in my email. That's perfect as
far as I'm concerned.
Here's what I do about "big mail"...when I'm downloading my mail, and
it seems to be taking a long time, I'll go straight to my provider
and see what's in my mailbox there. I look at the size column, and if
I see anything there with an "M" in it, it gets trashed, unless I
know what it is, and want to see it. I don't have the patience to sit
and wait for somebody's multi-addressed, sent and sent again little
joke to download and they often contain the same picture or pictures,
several times, because the sender can't be bothered to learn how to
edit the fluff out of the message. I may be tossing out some nice
pictures of artistic ladies, but those are the breaks.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
do not archive
On Nov 23, 2008, at 1:04 AM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
>
> On Sat, November 22, 2008 8:46 pm, patrick reilly wrote:
>>
>> Guy, Here are 3 compressed pictures of a Lowell Fitt shutter
>> assembly I am reworking
>> to fit my oversize radiator. Are these the right size.
>>
> You didn't ask me, but they are the perfect size for my e-mail client.
>
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz, P.E.
> PAF Consulting Engineers
> Office 425.440.9505
> Cell 425.241.1618
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Franklin Engine |
We were just talking about the Franklin this morning at breakfast,
and one guy said that they went belly up after building them in
Poland for a while. Are they still going? or gone?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
do not archive
On Nov 23, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> As mentioned by another member, If I had a Fox 5,6,7 and was
> considering an O-200 for my powerplant I would sure check out the
> Franklin Engine. The new PZL-Franklin 4A-235 engine is FAA
> certified,125 hp !!! and only $6900.00 !!!! It lists as being only
> a few lbs different in weight than the O-200. They have a Kitfox
> 5,6,7 special on their web site franklinengines.com including
> mount,exhaust,mags,etc. This is a new engine and 125 hp !!
> Franklins are damm good engines. The only thing is,I don't think
> they are made in the US anymore. Poland I think. Parts might be a
> problem,or not. But what about Rotax or Jabaru. Heck we don't have
> many US engines to use anyway. I would love to put this in my 4 but
> my useful load would allow only me (and then only if I did not eat
> breakfast) I would sure like to hear if anyone has checked in to
> this engine.It sounds to me like the way to go.
> Dick
> Maddux
> Fox 4-1200
> 912UL
>
> Pensacola,Fl
>
>
> Check out smokin' hot deals on laptops, desktops 345834x1200842686/
> aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;209513277;31396581;l">Shop
> Deals
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size |
Lynn,
The guys who don't know how to resized pics can learn with very little effort.
Here is the how to for those who don't get it:
For Windos users go to Microsoft Power toys at
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Then click on the download for image resizer
Once that is done just highlight the pic and click properties. Then
click resize pictures. That will give 3 choices, any of which reduce
the pic size by about a factor of 10. This results in a pic about the
best one can display on a computer screen. (small is a good choice).
Example a 550k pic will go to around 55k. Or some 1m pics will go to 70 or 80k.
Works great for pictures. Works poorly to reduce scanned text & mag articles.
Paul
===========
At 06:42 AM 11/23/2008, you wrote:
>
>I'll second the motion, Pat...they don't take long to download on my
>dial-up system, and only show as 455KB in my email. That's perfect as
>far as I'm concerned.
>
>Here's what I do about "big mail"...when I'm downloading my mail, and
>it seems to be taking a long time, I'll go straight to my provider
>and see what's in my mailbox there. I look at the size column, and if
>I see anything there with an "M" in it, it gets trashed, unless I
>know what it is, and want to see it. I don't have the patience to sit
>and wait for somebody's multi-addressed, sent and sent again little
>joke to download and they often contain the same picture or pictures,
>several times, because the sender can't be bothered to learn how to
>edit the fluff out of the message. I may be tossing out some nice
>pictures of artistic ladies, but those are the breaks.
>
>Lynn Matteson
>Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
>Sensenich 62x46
>flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
>system
>do not archive
>
>
>On Nov 23, 2008, at 1:04 AM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
>
>><paul@eucleides.com>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, November 22, 2008 8:46 pm, patrick reilly wrote:
>>>
>>>Guy, Here are 3 compressed pictures of a Lowell Fitt shutter
>>>assembly I am reworking
>>>to fit my oversize radiator. Are these the right size.
>>You didn't ask me, but they are the perfect size for my e-mail client.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Paul A. Franz, P.E.
>>PAF Consulting Engineers
>>Office 425.440.9505
>>Cell 425.241.1618
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield fit |
Pat,
The painting process is the same as if you were going to use any of the Polyfiber
products...polybrush then polyspray and topcoat. The paint works exceptionally
well on fabric and the Delfleet Evolution is incredibly flexible. I spoke
with Greg at Polyfiber about using this paint and of course he gave me the "It
will void the STC" of which I don't care because I'm experimental. This statement
is only partially true because Aviat paints there Husky using the same
paint and obviously they are certified. I spoke to the Aviat guys and they will
not use the Polyfiber paints at all...there comment was "Polyfiber is a fabric
company...PPG is a paint company, use the Polyfiber fabric but use a paint
that is manufactured by a paint company." The UV protection in the paint is
excellent but you still should follow Polyfiber's recommendation on the polyspray
application.
I have used PPG products for years and know them to be of exceptional quality so
I didn't have any problems with it. Also, the local Rans dealer has been using
Delfleet for years on fabric so I was not a guinea pig. I am very happy with
the results and spraying it is much easier than aerothane or ranthane, which
has been compared to trying to spray milk.
Don't get me wrong, I think the Polyfiber paints are perfectly suitable for the
application and have obviously been proven but I don't think it is the ONLY option
and I prefer to use something I am familiar with and can purchase locally.
One caveat though, I am pretty sure Polyfiber won't warranty the fabric if you
use anything but their paints. Having said that, if you apply the fabric correctly
and seal and prime it properly the warranty is unnecessary.
Both the polyfiber and PPG paints are urethane base so compatibility is not an
issue. I will definitely use this paint on my next metal or rag and tube project.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Phase 1 - Flight Testing)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
thanks,yes it is. I got the chance to fly around Fl, during the SUN&FUN air
show and it was a exper.
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On Sun, November 23, 2008 1:58 am, Johannes Czernin wrote:
>
> Hi, Paul, Mike, and all other old friends,
Hi Johannes, it's been a long time since I've seen your name on this list.
>
> Indeed, this thread just forces me to join in once more! I was a journalist
> for many decades, specialized in work for the automobile press, and I think
> I can put some light on this affair. Yes, of course Subaru's history
> publications do glorify their greatness - all firms in Japan's industry do
> the same when it comes to relating their history. But of course they do not
> spend a syllable on the fact that during these times, back then shortly
> after World War II, Japan's industry in general owed its comet-like rise in
> great parts to the fact that they unashamedly copied whatever they could
> find from European manufacturers. Just do a little research on cameras,
> optics, machinery, automobiles, aircraft, etc., etc.! :-)
You're so right on this. It was happening much later too. In 1967, I bought a Datsun
1600 Sports Car. I noticed among other things the carbs were a copy of the English
SU
carb, but much better quality. At the time they weren't getting the materials
selections very good then yet. For example the bronze speedometer drive gear in
transmission was not the correct alloy so it wore out once every 18 to 20 thousand
miles. They copied it in size so closely that replacing the worm gear on the tail
shaft and the speedo drive gear from a Triumph, solved the problem. Parts surprisingly
were interchangeable.
>
> In the particular case of Fuji/Subaru and their four-cylinder
> horizontally-opposed engine line this was nothing more than a blunt copy of
> the German Lloyd (later Borgward) Arabella engine, first introduced in 1959.
> Literally everybody in the European motoring scene knew everything about it
> when the first "boxer" engined model from Subaru appeared! A search in the
> Internet will enable anybody to find numerous details on this story. Here is
> just one link that makes it quite clear:
> http://www.borgward.org.uk/brief_history_marques.htm
Good contribution there.
Manufacturers tend to overstate their credentials. This is common today too. For
example, I read on the Jabiru web site about their 2200 series engine. They claim:
1) Has the weight of a Rotax 582, with the power of a Rotax 912 all at 3300 rpm.
This could be true, but those words are coming from their marketing department
and not
from engineering.
--
Paul A. Franz
Aircraft/Engine/Prop - Merlin GT/Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Franklin Engine |
On Sun, November 23, 2008 6:47 am, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> We were just talking about the Franklin this morning at breakfast,
> and one guy said that they went belly up after building them in
> Poland for a while. Are they still going? or gone?
Hard to tell what the status is for sure but the engines are actively being marketed
out of a Ft Collins CO office:
<http://exp-aircraft.com/vendors/pagesVen/FRANKLIN.html>
They have some great deals on certified engines with STC for use in Cessna 170,
175,
etc and a firewall forward kit for KF 5, 6, and 7:
<http://www.franklinengines.com/index.cfm>
--
Paul A. Franz
Aircraft/Engine/Prop - Merlin GT/Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Franklin Engine |
Don't think they went belly up but PZL Mielec was purchased by Untied Technologies
in 2002 and didn't want the Franklin line so supposedly another Polish company
is gearing up to produce the engines. But its anybodies guess as finding
real up to date information is about impossible.
--------
GB
MNFlyer
Flying a HKS Kitfox III
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| Subject: | Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
<<Snip>>
Hi
Subaru engine was created for cars.Continental O200 for airplanes.
I'm not so sure the above statement is 100% accurate.
There is no doubt the Continental is an aircraft engine...designed and built for
aircraft. They are very light and reasonably easy to service. They have redundancy
built in up the yin yang.
The Subaru engine as I read it was an aircraft engine that was modified for use
in automobiles because of its reliability in Japanese war planes. Because it
is a more modern design it is a bit more complex. Because it was modified to
work in cars it is a bit heavier. Cars don't need redundancy or mags. All that
can be undone, including the dual ignition and magneto drives. What you
end up with is a reasonably high tech, reliable, aircraft engine... with a re-drive.
Nothing is perfect but the differences are minimal.
For ease of getting your toes back off the ground and into the sky, I figure it
will be a lot faster, possibly cheaper to service the Conti.
Toss a coin :-) (Only joking)
Noel Loveys
AME Intern, RPP
Kitfox III-A, 912 almost installed
Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
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| Subject: | Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
Lynn in my younger days I drove more junkyard specials than I can honestly
remember. Four cylinder and six cylinder cars that only occasionally ran on
all their cylinders was the order of the day. The funny thing is I can't
ever remember not getting where I wanted to go because of a breakdown on one
of those old beaters. All the problems I had were actually on newer more
expensive cars I owned.
I also have a fair bit of experience with outboard engines. Until recently
they were all multiple cylinder two stroke units. With them when a cylinder
refused to fire you might make it home on with a cylinder out but don't
count on it. Also when a two stroke cylinder goes dead you can count on
using a lot more gas to get home if the engine continues to run.
All the engine problems I've had with two stroke engines involved lack of
maintenance in replacing spark plugs except for the time I put a connecting
rod through a Mercury four cylinder 50 Hp two stroke outboard. That time I
was lucky the mate to it continued to operate perfectly.
Noel Loveys
AME Intern, RPP
Kitfox III-A, 912 almost installed
Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22
It just occurred to me.....how many of the engines that we are
talking about can change just one cylinder if it goes belly up? My
Jabiru can, and the Conti's and Lyc's, and I'm guessing the Rotax's
(all of them?), but how about the auto engines? VW's, Corvairs,
yes....others? Tucker, yes. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
On Nov 22, 2008, at 7:00 PM, aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>
> 0-200 is a wonderful engine as is the Sub they are different A
> water cooled engine has some real advantages... that's part of why
> they last so long the 0 200 was designed when? I replace the
> engine in the warrior a 4 cylinder carbed pushrod for only 24000
> yikes.... as simple as it is its proven simple old technology
> there is a place for both. Frankly for the RAF 2000 or
> sparrowhawk there prob is none better.... perfect I really
> really like the subaru and trust it. but for the KF I would prob
> opt for the 0200 ps at 45 hours a jug needed replacement due to
> a siezed valve so nothing is perfect its a machine! ( it was
> underwarranty Superior )
> Lucky us we have good choices!
>
> ps did u fly the RAF ?
>
> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
Sorry Lynn I misread your post..
Corvair engines can also swap out a cylinder if needed... if you can find
one.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
VW's can
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22
>
> It just occurred to me.....how many of the engines that we are
> talking about can change just one cylinder if it goes belly up? My
> Jabiru can, and the Conti's and Lyc's, and I'm guessing the Rotax's
> (all of them?), but how about the auto engines? VW's, Corvairs,
> yes....others? Tucker, yes. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> system
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2008, at 7:00 PM, aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> 0-200 is a wonderful engine as is the Sub they are different A
>> water cooled engine has some real advantages... that's part of why
>> they last so long the 0 200 was designed when? I replace the
>> engine in the warrior a 4 cylinder carbed pushrod for only 24000
>> yikes.... as simple as it is its proven simple old technology
>> there is a place for both. Frankly for the RAF 2000 or
>> sparrowhawk there prob is none better.... perfect I really
>> really like the subaru and trust it. but for the KF I would prob
>> opt for the 0200 ps at 45 hours a jug needed replacement due to
>> a siezed valve so nothing is perfect its a machine! ( it was
>> underwarranty Superior )
>> Lucky us we have good choices!
>>
>> ps did u fly the RAF ?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
I think someone already addressed this myth. The subie engine is no more
related to aircraft than the corvair or original VW engine is. These legends
end up being repeated until they become accepted.
I keep on hearing how my BMW M/C engine is aircraft derived and that also is
false. Max Friz designed aircraft engines (inline) but designed the M/C
engine for that purpose. Nor is the BMW logo intended to look like a prop, a
legend that is very widely accepted even by many of their own dealers.
Car and for that matter M/C engines are intended to deliver on average about
30 % of their rated max. power and many go their entire lives never putting
out 100 %. Aircraft engines OTOH always are called on to deliver 100% and
seldom below 55%. That difference alone would cause a designer to make
vastly different motors even if weight and longevity and reliability were
not so different.
As far as the Subie engine coming from an aircraft, it doesn't seem likely
to me as all the engines I ever saw from japanese aircraft were inline or
radial copies of known engines and of a size and power far exceeding
anything a small car would require.
Not trying to start an arguement, and I'm sure the Subie engine and many
other car motors can be modified to make acceptable power for experimental
aircraft. But it's my opinion that they are not in any instance returning to
their roots.
KF IV, 582
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> The Subaru engine as I read it was an aircraft engine that was modified
> for use in automobiles because of its reliability in Japanese war planes.
> Because it is a more
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
Dave sez:
>
>The subie engine is no more related to aircraft than the corvair or
>original VW engine is. These legends end up being repeated until
>they become accepted.
Yeah, you're probably right, Dave. I'm sure that FHI (which started
out as The Aircraft Research Laboratory in 1917 and by 1931 was
reorganized as Nakajima Aircraft Company, Ltd and soon became the
primary manufacturer of aircraft for Japan during World War II) hired
a bunch of guys who had never heard of airplanes to design their line
of automobile engines.
Disclaimers:
- Just kidding
- Who cares, the lineage has nothing to do with the here & now
- EVERYTHING in aviation is a compromise--there is no right solution
for everyone. Anyone who tells you there is, is wrong.
Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
this is fun.... ok ... can we agree that a turboprop is generally more
reliable than a piston.... and in the turbo prop world, the PT6 is
conciderd the most reliable of all turboprops that should make it very
reliable and it is...
but its heritage.... is ground based for the oil business... I could
be wrong but that's my understanding of the pt6 so lineage means? ))
Good is good....
maybe somebody will prove me wrong re the PT6 but I belive it to be
true...
gotta go fly my 582 BH kF sun is out!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Yeah, you're probably right, Dave. I'm sure that FHI (which started out
> as The Aircraft Research Laboratory in 1917 and by 1931 was reorganized as
> Nakajima Aircraft Company, Ltd and soon became the primary manufacturer of
> aircraft for Japan during World War II) hired a bunch of guys who had
> never heard of airplanes to design their line of automobile engines.
>
> Disclaimers:
> - Just kidding
> - Who cares, the lineage has nothing to do with the here & now
> - EVERYTHING in aviation is a compromise--there is no right solution for
> everyone. Anyone who tells you there is, is wrong.
I've no idea who they hired, the designers of most Japanese products are
anonymous employees of the company, almost never credited. In the breakup
amd subsequent rejoining of the parts of Fuji Sangyo I wouldn't be surprised
if the aircraft engine people moved on to other projects. But the first
products did not have anything resembling the later famous water boxer
engine, being sourced and copied from European designs as was the fashion of
the day. Here are a few links to articles about Subaru and it's products, no
idea if any of it is completely accurate.
http://ezinearticles.com/?Understanding-The-Origins-of-The-Subaru-Brand&id'2945
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_1500
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_360
KF IV -582
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
Dang it's hard to kill a topic that has wandered off in the weeds.
Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
>>
>>Yeah, you're probably right, Dave. I'm sure that FHI (which
>>started out as The Aircraft Research Laboratory in 1917 and by 1931
>>was reorganized as Nakajima Aircraft Company, Ltd and soon became
>>the primary manufacturer of aircraft for Japan during World War II)
>>hired a bunch of guys who had never heard of airplanes to design
>>their line of automobile engines.
>>
>>Disclaimers:
>> - Just kidding
>> - Who cares, the lineage has nothing to do with the here & now
>> - EVERYTHING in aviation is a compromise--there is no right
>>solution for everyone. Anyone who tells you there is, is wrong.
>
>
>I've no idea who they hired, the designers of most Japanese products
>are anonymous employees of the company, almost never credited. In
>the breakup amd subsequent rejoining of the parts of Fuji Sangyo I
>wouldn't be surprised if the aircraft engine people moved on to
>other projects. But the first products did not have anything
>resembling the later famous water boxer engine, being sourced and
>copied from European designs as was the fashion of the day. Here are
>a few links to articles about Subaru and it's products, no idea if
>any of it is completely accurate.
>
>http://ezinearticles.com/?Understanding-The-Origins-of-The-Subaru-Brand&id'2945
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_1500
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_360
>
>KF IV -582
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
On Sun, November 23, 2008 11:46 am, aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>
> this is fun.... ok ... can we agree that a turboprop is generally more
> reliable than a piston....
It's possibly a matter of semantics. It is true that the design life and functional
life (TBO) is much higher for the turbine, turbojet or turboprop than for a piston
engine. That doesn't imply anything to me about reliability. In other words, if
you
have engine A with a TBO of X hours and engine B with a TBO of 10X hours, can you
say
which one is more reliable? I don't think so.
--
Paul A. Franz
Aircraft/Engine/Prop - Merlin GT/Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: topic end of life (wandered off in the weeds) |
On Sun, November 23, 2008 12:27 pm, Michael Gibbs wrote:
>
> Dang it's hard to kill a topic that has wandered off in the weeds.
Yeah, it's a side effect of the social nature of this group. You've got a lot of
smart
people with a huge variation in backgrounds having this forum as a common thread.
Same
reason you're more likely to make friends with people on this list as opposed to
forums where you share only technical information.
--
Paul A. Franz
Aircraft/Engine/Prop - Merlin GT/Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Left Side Throttle |
Has anyone installed a throttle on the left side of a Kitfox? I would like to
fly right handed from the left seat, but need the throttle on the left to do that.
I realize that the throttle would extend into the door opening, but I suspect that
one could deal with that.
If you have done it, did you keep the center throttle for dual control?
Pictures would be very helpful.
Thanks,
--------
Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner
1994 Kitfox Speedster / 912
Flying
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| Subject: | Left Side Throttle |
Jim,
I researched doing just that for a long time while building. I didn't do it
and found that it didn't take too long to get used to throttle in my right
hand and now I am very comfortable with the stick in my left hand.
Randy
Series 5/7 912S
Warp taper tip
Flying as light sport.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Feldmann
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Left Side Throttle
Has anyone installed a throttle on the left side of a Kitfox? I would like
to fly right handed from the left seat, but need the throttle on the left to
do that.
I realize that the throttle would extend into the door opening, but I
suspect that one could deal with that.
If you have done it, did you keep the center throttle for dual control?
Pictures would be very helpful.
Thanks,
--------
Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner
1994 Kitfox Speedster / 912
Flying
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| Subject: | 582 Coolant routing |
582 drivers=2C I have a grey head 582 and see pictures of blue heads with w
hat appears as an external coolant pump that routes coolant to the head via
a hose. My grey head has an elbow into the water pump at the base of the e
ngine and I assume coolant routes to the head thru passageways inside the e
ngine. Am I seeing this right? Is this a difference between the blue and gr
ey head 582? Also=2C what is the brand name of the expansion chamber for th
e 582?
Thank You
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Coolant routing |
hi Pat Rockford? I am in Champaign area
Yes Grey and Blue are different. The additional hose I believe was a
bypass to help prevent shock cooling... are u close to flying urs?
Dave
KF 2
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Coolant routing |
hi Pat Rockford? I am in Champaign area
Yes Grey and Blue are different. The additional hose I believe was a
bypass to help prevent shock cooling... are u close to flying urs?
Dave
KF 2
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| Subject: | 582 Coolant routing |
Dave=2C Should be ready to fly early spring.
Pat Relly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 58
2 Coolant routing> Date: Sun=2C 23 Nov 2008 21:30:31 -0500> From: aerobatic
t Rockford? I am in Champaign area> Yes Grey and Blue are different. The ad
ditional hose I believe was a > bypass to help prevent shock cooling... are
====> > >
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| Subject: | Left Side Throttle |
Jim
Same for me - at first I hated the stick in my left hand but was amazed
how quickly I adapted. I think it only took about 2 hrs and I was totally
comfortable
Gary
Classic 4 Jab2200
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My father's old C-170B had a Franklin in it... He had a lot of problems
with it. Early 60's
Noel Loveys
AME Intern, RPP
Kitfox III-A, 912 almost installed
Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Franklin Engine
We were just talking about the Franklin this morning at breakfast,
and one guy said that they went belly up after building them in
Poland for a while. Are they still going? or gone?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
do not archive
On Nov 23, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> As mentioned by another member, If I had a Fox 5,6,7 and was
> considering an O-200 for my powerplant I would sure check out the
> Franklin Engine. The new PZL-Franklin 4A-235 engine is FAA
> certified,125 hp !!! and only $6900.00 !!!! It lists as being only
> a few lbs different in weight than the O-200. They have a Kitfox
> 5,6,7 special on their web site franklinengines.com including
> mount,exhaust,mags,etc. This is a new engine and 125 hp !!
> Franklins are damm good engines. The only thing is,I don't think
> they are made in the US anymore. Poland I think. Parts might be a
> problem,or not. But what about Rotax or Jabaru. Heck we don't have
> many US engines to use anyway. I would love to put this in my 4 but
> my useful load would allow only me (and then only if I did not eat
> breakfast) I would sure like to hear if anyone has checked in to
> this engine.It sounds to me like the way to go.
> Dick
> Maddux
> Fox 4-1200
> 912UL
>
> Pensacola,Fl
>
>
> Check out smokin' hot deals on laptops, desktops 345834x1200842686/
> aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;209513277;31396581;l">Shop
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| Subject: | Re: Left Side Throttle |
I remember reading that a couple of the new LSA aircraft using Rotax 912
engines have dual throttle controls. At this moment I can't recall which
particular aircraft.
Ken Jones
Series 7 builder
PA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Left Side Throttle
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Jim,
> I researched doing just that for a long time while building. I didn't do
> it
> and found that it didn't take too long to get used to throttle in my right
> hand and now I am very comfortable with the stick in my left hand.
>
> Randy
> Series 5/7 912S
> Warp taper tip
> Flying as light sport.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Feldmann
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:35 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Left Side Throttle
>
> <feldesign@earthlink.net>
>
> Has anyone installed a throttle on the left side of a Kitfox? I would
> like
> to fly right handed from the left seat, but need the throttle on the left
> to
> do that.
>
> I realize that the throttle would extend into the door opening, but I
> suspect that one could deal with that.
>
> If you have done it, did you keep the center throttle for dual control?
>
> Pictures would be very helpful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --------
> Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner
> 1994 Kitfox Speedster / 912
> Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215905#215905
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size |
Paul-
I've got an eMac, and in its' mail program, I can drag pictures into
an email, then look at the size of the total email, and judging upon
what it says, I can adjust from "actual" size (picture size) to
"large", "medium", or "small." I just recently discovered this, and
it greatly speeds up the process for me. It's not perfect, but it's a
fast/easy way to send pics. The other choice I have is to use the
program that stores my pictures, called Kodak EasyShare, but it sends
out all pics at either "original"....764KB, or "best for email" which
is 56KB. Or drag the picture(s) into Photoshop and reduce them that
way. Not too many folks out there using Macs of course, but maybe
this will give someone an idea of what choices there are.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
do not archive
On Nov 23, 2008, at 10:36 AM, paul wilson wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> The guys who don't know how to resized pics can learn with very
> little effort.
> Here is the how to for those who don't get it:
> For Windos users go to Microsoft Power toys at
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/
> xppowertoys.mspx
> Then click on the download for image resizer
> Once that is done just highlight the pic and click properties. Then
> click resize pictures. That will give 3 choices, any of which
> reduce the pic size by about a factor of 10. This results in a pic
> about the best one can display on a computer screen. (small is a
> good choice).
> Example a 550k pic will go to around 55k. Or some 1m pics will go
> to 70 or 80k.
> Works great for pictures. Works poorly to reduce scanned text &
> mag articles.
> Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Left Side Throttle |
Heck, just learn to fly from the right seat. Instructors do it all the
time. :-) (In dual control versions of course)
Seriously, I'd like to have the option myself although years ago I did
learn to be comfortable piloting from the right seat.
do not archive.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Jim Feldmann wrote:
>
>Has anyone installed a throttle on the left side of a Kitfox? I would like to
fly right handed from the left seat, but need the throttle on the left to do
that.
>
>I realize that the throttle would extend into the door opening, but I suspect
that one could deal with that.
>
>If you have done it, did you keep the center throttle for dual control?
>
>Pictures would be very helpful.
>
>Thanks,
>
>--------
>Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner
>1994 Kitfox Speedster / 912
>Flying
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 582 Coolant routing |
great lets keep in touch if I can help.... I have about 450 hours
behind mine plus lots of good exp here from the group...
I fly to Morris for sun am breakfast often and flown to osh...
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Left Side Throttle |
For what it's worth, it's the Tecnam that has duel throttle controls.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Left Side Throttle |
I had the same worries when I was going to fly left handed in my first Avid
as all my previous flying had been in planes with a left hand throttel. I
did a good bit of taxeing getting used to the plane and when I flew it I d
idn't even notice the difference. Now if I take the stick with my right ha
nd=2C I'm wanting to grab it with the left when I fly through a bump. Just
a matter of getting used to it=2C in my opinion. Jim Chuk> Date: Sun=2C 2
3 Nov 2008 20:33:28 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitf
ox-List: Left Side Throttle> From: hefferans@gmail.com> > --> Kitfox-List m
essage posted by: Rexinator <hefferans@gmail.com>> > Heck=2C just learn to
fly from the right seat. Instructors do it all the > time. :-) (In dual con
trol versions of course)> Seriously=2C I'd like to have the option myself a
lthough years ago I did > learn to be comfortable piloting from the right s
eat.> > do not archive.> > -- > Rex Hefferan> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C /
still waiting repairs> > > Jim Feldmann wrote:> > >--> Kitfox-List message
posted by: "Jim Feldmann" <feldesign@earthlink.net>> >> >Has anyone install
ed a throttle on the left side of a Kitfox? I would like to fly right hande
d from the left seat=2C but need the throttle on the left to do that. > >>
>I realize that the throttle would extend into the door opening=2C but I su
spect that one could deal with that.> >> >If you have done it=2C did you ke
ep the center throttle for dual control?> >> >Pictures would be very helpfu
l.> >> >Thanks=2C> >> >--------> >Jim Feldmann=2C 3rd owner> >1994 Kitfox S
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| Subject: | Re: Left Side Throttle |
Same here, Jim...it's much easier to teach the dog a new trick than
to do all the work of changing the plane....plus think of
resale...will the next owner want such a, excuse the expression
"bastard" set-up? I know, fighter pilots did it this way, but......I
was gonna say the war's over, but that's not true. Besides, you can
always fly with the right hand on the stick after you get airborne.
Believe me, if a 70+ year old can master it, you can too.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
On Nov 23, 2008, at 9:44 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Jim
>
> Same for me - at first I hated the stick in my left hand but was
> amazed how quickly I adapted. I think it only took about 2 hrs and
> I was totally comfortable
> Gary
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> Classic 4 Jab2200
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| Subject: | Re: Left Side Throttle |
Hi All,
I fly a Cessna 172 with a yoke and right push throttle, VariEze with a right
wrist stick and left lever throttle and an RV7A with left hand stick and
right hand push throttle. Switching from one to the other occurs naturally.
John Greaves
Redding, CA
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| Subject: | Left Side Throttle |
Dual controls are an option for the Jabiru engines. I can't see that they
should be engine specific. Jab. USA should have the optional kit. The
optional installation is shown on the 601 Jab installation CD that I
purchased to help me.
Jim Crowder
KF 5, Installing Jabiru 3300
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:59 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Left Side Throttle
>
>
>
> Same here, Jim...it's much easier to teach the dog a new trick than
> to do all the work of changing the plane....plus think of
> resale...will the next owner want such a, excuse the expression
> "bastard" set-up? I know, fighter pilots did it this way, but......I
> was gonna say the war's over, but that's not true. Besides, you can
> always fly with the right hand on the stick after you get airborne.
> Believe me, if a 70+ year old can master it, you can too.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> system
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2008, at 9:44 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Same for me - at first I hated the stick in my left hand but was
> > amazed how quickly I adapted. I think it only took about 2 hrs and
> > I was totally comfortable
> > Gary
> >
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Coolant routing |
At 06:04 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote:
>Is this a difference between the blue and grey head 582?
Yes, it's the primary difference. When the thermostat closes the blue
head simply by-passes the radiator and continues to circulate flow
through the pump and cylinders. When the thermostat closes on a grey
head all flow stops. I guess I should assume you're going to ask if
it's necessary or desirable to change and my answer will be no. The
great peril for the 582 is and was cold seizure, where after a
low-throttle descent the thermostat is closed and the water in
outside the engine is nice and cold. Suddenly you need full throttle,
the engine heats, the thermostat opens, and all that nice cold water
dumps into the cylinders. This causes the cylinders to contract
faster than the pistons and the engine seizes. The blue head
mitigates this somewhat by mixing the incoming cold water with
circulating warm water. (You could still cold seize if you had a lot
of really cold water in the radiator, though.) The answer for the
grey-headers is: DON'T DO THAT. Meaning never do long descents
throttle off with the thermostat closed, (water temp < 134F,) and
then put yourself into a situation where you'll have to hammer the
throttle. Either descend throttle-on, or when you get to the bottom,
gingerly open the throttle, as you would during warm-up, to about
3000 rpm until the thermostat opens.
>Also, what is the brand name of the expansion chamber for the 582?
Rotax. (Unless you go after-market. See http://www.paraflite.net/muffler.htm)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Left Side Throttle |
At 04:35 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote:
>Has anyone installed a throttle on the left side of a Kitfox? I
>would like to fly right handed from the left seat, but need the
>throttle on the left to do that.
My flying buddy did it in his IV. It was quite simple but I don't
have good information for you. I'll be gone for a week, but can
probably get photos for you next week. (You might want to remind me
off list.) He didn't use any center throttle so the right seat is out
of luck. I think you could simply buy a quadrant and splitter from
CPS (www.800-airwolf.com) and mount them next to the seat, attached
to the tubes. You'd also have to fabricate some cables, but CPS also has those.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size |
oh but there are more Mac users than you might realize! And if you are
running the latest OS it is even easier than that with perfect results
every time!
Steve Didier
C172
Hope to be SuperSport builder
duocore 2.3GHz iMac, 867 MHz TiPowerbook
On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:31 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Paul-
> I've got an eMac, and in its' mail program, I can drag pictures into
> an email, then look at the size of the total email, and judging upon
> what it says, I can adjust from "actual" size (picture size) to
> "large", "medium", or "small." I just recently discovered this, and
> it greatly speeds up the process for me. It's not perfect, but it's
> a fast/easy way to send pics. The other choice I have is to use the
> program that stores my pictures, called Kodak EasyShare, but it
> sends out all pics at either "original"....764KB, or "best for
> email" which is 56KB. Or drag the picture(s) into Photoshop and
> reduce them that way. Not too many folks out there using Macs of
> course, but maybe this will give someone an idea of what choices
> there are.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> system
> do not archive
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2008, at 10:36 AM, paul wilson wrote:
>
>>
>> Lynn,
>> The guys who don't know how to resized pics can learn with very
>> little effort.
>> Here is the how to for those who don't get it:
>> For Windos users go to Microsoft Power toys at
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
>> Then click on the download for image resizer
>> Once that is done just highlight the pic and click properties. Then
>> click resize pictures. That will give 3 choices, any of which
>> reduce the pic size by about a factor of 10. This results in a pic
>> about the best one can display on a computer screen. (small is a
>> good choice).
>> Example a 550k pic will go to around 55k. Or some 1m pics will go
>> to 70 or 80k.
>> Works great for pictures. Works poorly to reduce scanned text &
>> mag articles.
>> Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Thought I was done |
I thought I was done messing with the rudder pedals for now till I stood back to
admire my work. It's tough to see in the photo but the pulley, second from the
right, is not straight. Either the holes were not drilled straight at the factory
or the tabs moved when they cooled after welding. I'm hoping I can just
twist the tabs a little to make it straight. The way it is now, I'm worried either
the cable will jump the pulley or it will cause premature wear on it if
its dragging on one side. It's always something. We'll see what happens.
(http://imageshack.us)
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Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Fuselage/Forward Controls
http://websites.expercraft.com/jlfernan/
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| Subject: | using low rpm's on a 582 during final and landing. |
I've been reading about the clutch that's available for the 582. It seems like
a good thing to have. But I'd like to learn what harm could be done pulling
the throttle back to low rpm, land so you don't get a lot of float. Any opinions
would be appreciated. Does it overstress the engine? Isn't there a rubber
dampner in the C drive that isolates the engine?
Thanks
Jack
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J. Henry Hall
Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
rusty pilot.
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