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0. 12:31 AM - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:56 AM - Re: Left Side Throttle (W Duke)
2. 06:46 AM - Fw: Left Side Throttle (Ron Liebmann)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Picture size (paul wilson)
4. 07:20 AM - Re: Picture size (Lynn Matteson)
5. 07:46 AM - Re: Left Side Throttle (Tom Jones)
6. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: Left Side Throttle (Bob Brennan)
7. 08:16 AM - Re: Left Side Throttle (Pete Christensen)
8. 08:29 AM - Re: Left Side Throttle (Tom Jones)
9. 08:31 AM - Re: Picture size (Michael Gibbs)
10. 08:49 AM - Re: Picture size Re: Mac operating systems (not Kitfox related) (Lowell Fitt)
11. 09:17 AM - Re: 582 Coolant routing (Marco Menezes)
12. 09:53 AM - Re: Left Side Throttle (Marin Streeter)
13. 10:08 AM - Re: Mac operating systems (not Kitfox related) (Michel Verheughe)
14. 10:20 AM - Re: Picture size/Mac OSX on Intel. (Paul Franz)
15. 11:30 AM - Re: Picture size/Mac OSX on Intel. (Steven Didier)
16. 12:01 PM - Tips for pulling the starter for repair on a 582. (815TL)
17. 12:44 PM - Re: Picture size (Lynn Matteson)
18. 12:50 PM - Re: Picture size Re: Mac operating systems (not Kitfox related) (Lynn Matteson)
19. 12:54 PM - Re: Picture size/Mac OSX on Intel. (Lowell Fitt)
20. 12:59 PM - Re: Tips for pulling the starter for repair on a 582. (john beirne)
21. 02:05 PM - Re: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 (Noel Loveys)
22. 02:15 PM - Re: Picture size/Mac OSX on Intel. (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
23. 03:43 PM - Re: Picture size/Mac OSX on Intel. (Steven Didier)
24. 04:02 PM - Re: 582 Coolant routing (patrick reilly)
25. 04:23 PM - Re: 582 Coolant routing (patrick reilly)
26. 04:38 PM - Re: 582 Coolant routing (patrick reilly)
27. 07:35 PM - Bing enrichners (patrick reilly)
28. 08:26 PM - Re: Bing enrichners (Tom Jones)
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| Subject: | Left Side Throttle |
I thought about this and took the preponderance of list replies advice.-
Leave it alone.- You can easily (instantly)-adapt to the airplane.- I
t is far more difficult to learn a new airplane than to learn to use the ot
her hand.
Maxwell Duke
S6/TD/IO240
Dublin, GA
--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Jim Crowder <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net> wrote:
From: Jim Crowder <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Left Side Throttle
<jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
Dual controls are an option for the Jabiru engines. I can't see that they
should be engine specific. Jab. USA should have the optional kit. The
optional installation is shown on the 601 Jab installation CD that I
purchased to help me.
Jim Crowder
KF 5, Installing Jabiru 3300
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:59 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Left Side Throttle
>
>
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Same here, Jim...it's much easier to teach the dog a new trick than
> to do all the work of changing the plane....plus think of
> resale...will the next owner want such a, excuse the expression
> "bastard" set-up? I know, fighter pilots did it this way,
but......I
> was gonna say the war's over, but that's not true. Besides, you
can
> always fly with the right hand on the stick after you get airborne.
> Believe me, if a 70+ year old can master it, you can too.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> system
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2008, at 9:44 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Same for me - at first I hated the stick in my left hand but was
> > amazed how quickly I adapted. I think it only took about 2 hrs and
> > I was totally comfortable
> > Gary
> >
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| Subject: | Left Side Throttle |
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Left Side Throttle
Hi Jim,
I moved my throttle to the left during construction. It was easy to do and
I
love it. An old FAA safety article stated accidents were being caused by
wrong control inputs during innitial test flights. It stated that anyone
who
learned to fly in a stick & rudder plane with left throttle may
unconsciously push forward on the stick when throttle input is needed at a
stressful moment. My left hand rests on my left knee comfortably and I can
easily screw in or out the throttle for inflight changes. I'll see if I
have
photos for ya.
Ron 55KF Schaumburg IL
>> Has anyone installed a throttle on the left side of a Kitfox? I would
>> like to fly right handed from the left seat, but need the throttle on the
>> left to do that.
>>
>> I realize that the throttle would extend into the door opening, but I
>> suspect that one could deal with that.
>>
>> If you have done it, did you keep the center throttle for dual control?
>>
>> Pictures would be very helpful.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --------
>> Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner
>> 1994 Kitfox Speedster / 912
>> Flying
>
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size |
There you go. That covers everybody, Macs & PCs
HMMM, I thot the Mac users were all using Windoz now that they come
with OSX & Vista??? Ha.
I miss my mac at times but the Windoz contents still my preference.
Paul
============
At 07:31 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote:
>
>Paul-
>I've got an eMac, and in its' mail program, I can drag pictures into
>an email, then look at the size of the total email, and judging upon
>what it says, I can adjust from "actual" size (picture size) to
>"large", "medium", or "small." I just recently discovered this, and
>it greatly speeds up the process for me. It's not perfect, but it's a
>fast/easy way to send pics. The other choice I have is to use the
>program that stores my pictures, called Kodak EasyShare, but it sends
>out all pics at either "original"....764KB, or "best for email" which
>is 56KB. Or drag the picture(s) into Photoshop and reduce them that
>way. Not too many folks out there using Macs of course, but maybe
>this will give someone an idea of what choices there are.
>
>Lynn Matteson
>Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
>Sensenich 62x46
>flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
>system
>do not archive
>
>
>On Nov 23, 2008, at 10:36 AM, paul wilson wrote:
>
>>
>>Lynn,
>>The guys who don't know how to resized pics can learn with very
>>little effort.
>>Here is the how to for those who don't get it:
>>For Windos users go to Microsoft Power toys at
>>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/ xppowertoys.mspx
>>Then click on the download for image resizer
>>Once that is done just highlight the pic and click properties. Then
>>click resize pictures. That will give 3 choices, any of which
>>reduce the pic size by about a factor of 10. This results in a pic
>>about the best one can display on a computer screen. (small is a
>>good choice).
>>Example a 550k pic will go to around 55k. Or some 1m pics will go
>>to 70 or 80k.
>>Works great for pictures. Works poorly to reduce scanned text &
>>mag articles.
>>Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size |
I'm up to 10.2.6......I haven't checked to see how old that is.
There's probably newer...what IS the newest? As long as mine works, I
pretty much leave it alone. I'm more of a gearhead than Machead.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
do not archive
On Nov 24, 2008, at 1:20 AM, Steven Didier wrote:
> <steve.didier@gmail.com>
>
> oh but there are more Mac users than you might realize! And if you
> are running the latest OS it is even easier than that with perfect
> results every time!
>
> Steve Didier
> C172
> Hope to be SuperSport builder
> duocore 2.3GHz iMac, 867 MHz TiPowerbook
> On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:31 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Left Side Throttle |
> An old FAA safety article stated accidents were being caused by
> wrong control inputs during initial test flights. It stated that anyone
> who
> learned to fly in a stick & rudder plane with left throttle may
> unconsciously push forward on the stick when throttle input is needed at a
> stressful moment.
I just took a flight review in a sport cub. The instructor told me that people
he instructed who were used to right had throttle and left hand stick would sometimes
get so confused he would have to take over and stabilize the airplane
when they used the wrong controls.
I didn't have any trouble adapting and figured it was not a issue until we did
a stall with flaps. On recovery when I retracted the flaps the cub pitched down
much more than I am used to in my kitfox. I did exactly as that old FAA report
stated. I used throttle like a stick and stick like throttle. I got the
airplane into the most violent pilot induced occilation you can immagine. The
instructor had to take over. I would have been in serious trouble if I would
have been by myself and close to the ground.
Some advise, don't make the first flight in your Kitfox with controls you are not
experienced with.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Left Side Throttle |
So Tom - after producing "the most violent pilot induced occilation[sic] you
can immagine[sic]" did the CFI sign your logbook? I know you can't fail a
BFR but the instructor can either refuse to sign you off or insist on more
dual time.
Just curious because I just took my BFR in a Cessna Skyhawk, and as if
flying a new type wasn't enough the CFI threw in short-field soft-field plus
90 degree crosswinds (15 knots) for real rather than simulated, at 3
different local short soft grass fields and an engine-out at a bad time of
course. And radio work that I had not been used to, having flown without in
my KF. We did it in two sessions because I kept overworking the pedals and
brakes but he did sign the book and OK'd me to rent the Skyhawk whenever I
want now.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: 24 November 2008 10:46 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Left Side Throttle
> An old FAA safety article stated accidents were being caused by
> wrong control inputs during initial test flights. It stated that anyone
> who
> learned to fly in a stick & rudder plane with left throttle may
> unconsciously push forward on the stick when throttle input is needed at a
> stressful moment.
I just took a flight review in a sport cub. The instructor told me that
people he instructed who were used to right had throttle and left hand stick
would sometimes get so confused he would have to take over and stabilize the
airplane when they used the wrong controls.
I didn't have any trouble adapting and figured it was not a issue until we
did a stall with flaps. On recovery when I retracted the flaps the cub
pitched down much more than I am used to in my kitfox. I did exactly as
that old FAA report stated. I used throttle like a stick and stick like
throttle. I got the airplane into the most violent pilot induced occilation
you can immagine. The instructor had to take over. I would have been in
serious trouble if I would have been by myself and close to the ground.
Some advise, don't make the first flight in your Kitfox with controls you
are not experienced with.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216051#216051
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| Subject: | Re: Left Side Throttle |
Jim,
I to had reservations about a stick in my left hand. I practiced with
Microsoft Flight Simulator with the stick in my left hand and it was no
problem the first time I flew my Kitfox III. If you fly a 150 after all
don't you hold the yoke in your left hand?
Pete
Kitfox III, SN 1000, 912, grove
Hell Paso, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Left Side Throttle
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Jim,
> I researched doing just that for a long time while building. I didn't do
> it
> and found that it didn't take too long to get used to throttle in my right
> hand and now I am very comfortable with the stick in my left hand.
>
> Randy
> Series 5/7 912S
> Warp taper tip
> Flying as light sport.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Feldmann
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:35 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Left Side Throttle
>
> <feldesign@earthlink.net>
>
> Has anyone installed a throttle on the left side of a Kitfox? I would
> like
> to fly right handed from the left seat, but need the throttle on the left
> to
> do that.
>
> I realize that the throttle would extend into the door opening, but I
> suspect that one could deal with that.
>
> If you have done it, did you keep the center throttle for dual control?
>
> Pictures would be very helpful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --------
> Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner
> 1994 Kitfox Speedster / 912
> Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215905#215905
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Left Side Throttle |
> So Tom - after producing "the most violent pilot induced occilation[sic] you
> can immagine[sic]" did the CFI sign your logbook? I know you can't fail a
> BFR but the instructor can either refuse to sign you off or insist on more
> dual time.
Yes he signed me off after the flight. He did have me do some more work with deploying
and retracting flaps before we landed. I was getting kind or used to
the reversed controls by the end of the flight which was an hour and eight minutes.
He said it usually takes about three hours of dual for someone to become
comfortable switching sides.
Even though he signed my flight review I'm sure he wasn't about to let me solo
his cub.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216063#216063
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size |
Lynn asks:
>I'm up to 10.2.6......I haven't checked to see how old that is.
>There's probably newer...what IS the newest?
The latest is 10.5.5 ("Leopard"), Lynn. Still using "Jaguar" you've
skipped completely over "Panther" (10.3) and "Tiger" (10.4). :-)
Paul sez:
>I thot the Mac users were all using Windoz now that they come with
>OSX & Vista?
While all Macs produced in the last several years can run Windows,
they do not come with it--you still have to pay Micro$oft for the
privilege of a license if you want to use it.
Now, how to tie this in with picture sizes and Kitfoxes. Well, I
have a lot of nicely-sized photos of my Kitfox on my Mac... :-)
Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size Re: Mac operating systems (not Kitfox related) |
Pertinent info regarding Mac operating systems.
I opted to purchase a Dobo hard drive array for my Mac G5. After it came, I
found that it didn't work on anything less than OS-4. I had something like
Lynn had and since everything was working fine, I had ignored the upgrade
reminders. I tried to find OS 4.?.?, but since Panther was out the 4 series
upgrade was no longer available. So I went to Panther which I believe is OS
5.?.?
CAUTION! Not all previous software will work with Panther. I lost my DVD
Studio Pro. and it is no longer available as a stand alone title. It is
only available as a bundled product for, Drum Roll Please, would you
believe $1200.
I love my Mac because of certain features that it has, but Mac owners be
careful. As a new builder, $1200 can buy a lot of nice airplane parts. I
have no advice on this issue. Any Mac owner can do his own research and
decide for himself the risks of an operating system upgrade.
As to the Drobo. It is a fine piece of equipment, but at least mine will
crash at any power interuption and is absolutely not rebootable. The
warning lights all come on indicating all disks full, and it required a new
unformatted hard drive to allow it to boot. I can't afford a hundred bucks
every time the power company sends a blip along it's lines.
I am dealing with a Drobo crash as I write this and have an email request to
a very nice lady for some help, but as of now, I think I spent a lot of
money very foolishly.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Picture size
>
> I'm up to 10.2.6......I haven't checked to see how old that is. There's
> probably newer...what IS the newest? As long as mine works, I pretty much
> leave it alone. I'm more of a gearhead than Machead.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> system
> do not archive
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2008, at 1:20 AM, Steven Didier wrote:
>
>> <steve.didier@gmail.com>
>>
>> oh but there are more Mac users than you might realize! And if you are
>> running the latest OS it is even easier than that with perfect results
>> every time!
>>
>> Steve Didier
>> C172
>> Hope to be SuperSport builder
>> duocore 2.3GHz iMac, 867 MHz TiPowerbook
>> On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:31 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Coolant routing |
Also, you can (and should) install Lowell's dandy rad shutter which, when c
losed,-will help keep water temps up during low-throttle descents.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant routing
At 06:04 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote:
> Is this a difference between the blue and grey head 582?
Yes, it's the primary difference. When the thermostat closes the blue head
simply by-passes the radiator and continues to circulate flow through the p
ump
and cylinders. When the thermostat closes on a grey head all flow stops. I
guess
I should assume you're going to ask if it's necessary or desirable to
change and my answer will be no. The great peril for the 582 is and was col
d
seizure, where after a low-throttle descent the thermostat is closed and th
e
water in outside the engine is nice and cold. Suddenly you need full thrott
le,
the engine heats, the thermostat opens, and all that nice cold water dumps
into
the cylinders. This causes the cylinders to contract faster than the piston
s and
the engine seizes. The blue head mitigates this somewhat by mixing the inco
ming
cold water with circulating warm water. (You could still cold seize if you
had a
lot of really cold water in the radiator, though.) The answer for the
grey-headers is: DON'T DO THAT. Meaning never do long descents throttle off
with the thermostat closed, (water temp < 134F,) and then put yourself into
a
situation where you'll have to hammer the throttle. Either descend
throttle-on, or when you get to the bottom, gingerly open the throttle, as
you
would during warm-up, to about 3000 rpm until the thermostat opens.
> Also, what is the brand name of the expansion chamber for the 582?
Rotax. (Unless you go after-market. See http://www.paraflite.net/muffler.ht
m)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Left Side Throttle |
Take a look at the Zenith 650 it has two throttle controls.
Marin
Bushcaddy E-LSA
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Mac operating systems (not Kitfox related) |
> From: Lowell Fitt [lcfitt@sbcglobal.net]
> CAUTION! Not all previous software will work with Panther.
Thanks for the warning, Lowell. I too was very pleased with Apple products but
right now ... I regret. I can't upgrade things like Safari or Google Earth if
I don't upgrade to a newer operative system and that is not how the Mac used
to be. They have adopted Microsoft way of making money by making operative systems
uncompatible and it is sad.
But ... enough of that! We are pilots!
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as a PAX
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size/Mac OSX on Intel. |
On Mon, November 24, 2008 6:46 am, paul wilson wrote:
>
> There you go. That covers everybody, Macs & PCs
And you can run Linux on either and all those tools you need are free. Have you
tried
Open Office? It's available for Windows and OSX as well as Linux. It's as easy
as
using the stick in your left hand and throttle with your right!
> HMMM, I thot the Mac users were all using Windoz now that they come
> with OSX & Vista??? Ha.
OSX is a Unix OS. But the change in Macs is the CPU which is now Intel. Windows
needs
the Intel CPU.
> I miss my mac at times but the Windoz contents still my preference.
Free up some partition space and you can run dual boot with another OS. You might
like
Linux. Especially the fact that the software is free and there is so much of it.
--
Paul A. Franz
Aircraft/Engine/Prop - Merlin GT/Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size/Mac OSX on Intel. |
What Paul said. I have running on a mixture of intel and ppc Macs at
any given time, OSX 10.5.5 on either machine, using either Parallels
or VMware WINXP or various flavors of linux Fedora, Ubuntu, Gentoo or
Yellowdog. I dual boot Ubuntu and OSX on my TiPowerbook. I threw away
Microsoft products because there is now literally every I need in the
open source arena. Open Office or Neo Office is a full featured office
suite that should satisfy all but the most demanding Excel macro
heads. Crossover office is improving such that many Windows
applications will run without Windows.
And to upgrade to a major revision of OSX it has never cost me more
than $129 and Safari etc have worked just fine as the upgrades have
taken place.
My point is that in all of this over the years I have never had an
issue with virus's, trojan horses or other malware on these two
machines or any other Mac in my extended family yet I have spent an
inordinate amount of time fixing issues in the Windows pcs others in
my family and friends circle own!
Ultimately as with what we fly or build it is about choice!
Steve Didier
C172
hope to be Kitfox builder
On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Paul Franz wrote:
>
> On Mon, November 24, 2008 6:46 am, paul wilson wrote:
>>
>> There you go. That covers everybody, Macs & PCs
>
> And you can run Linux on either and all those tools you need are
> free. Have you tried
> Open Office? It's available for Windows and OSX as well as Linux.
> It's as easy as
> using the stick in your left hand and throttle with your right!
>
>> HMMM, I thot the Mac users were all using Windoz now that they come
>> with OSX & Vista??? Ha.
>
> OSX is a Unix OS. But the change in Macs is the CPU which is now
> Intel. Windows needs
> the Intel CPU.
>
>> I miss my mac at times but the Windoz contents still my preference.
>
> Free up some partition space and you can run dual boot with another
> OS. You might like
> Linux. Especially the fact that the software is free and there is so
> much of it.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Aircraft/Engine/Prop - Merlin GT/Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
>
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| Subject: | Tips for pulling the starter for repair on a 582. |
Hey guys, I just got done pulling my starter for reapair, and wanted to pass along
a few tips that may help others along the way.
Several people had mentioned that I would have to pull the motor. Seeing I did
not have the tools, time or friends to help me with that, I thought I would try
a diffrent approach, and it worked out pretty well. My plane is model II with
a 582, but I suspect at least the 1-3 are set up this way, although I have
never looked at the 1 or 3.
Anyway, I got to looking at the starter housing that comes back into the cabin,
and thinking of a way to get the starter out.
I started by dropping the exhaust system, this gave me enough room to get at the
starter from the front. I pulled off the front nuts/ washers, and pushed back
on the starter, there is enough room to get your hand in there. Once the starter
is off the bracket and laying on the floor of the housing, I moved into
the cabin. I drilled a small hole in the back end of the housing and took a
pair of tin snips, and cut out around the edges as close as I could. It left
a pretty raged edge, but no big deal. I could then reach the bolt that holds
on the negitive cable with a socket and extender. Once that was off, the starter
will slide right out the hole into the cabin.
I did the repairs to the starter, which was a new brush kit. I installed the starter
back through the hole. Lined it up from the front, into the bracket holes.
I could then reach behind it with my fingers and get the negitive cable
back on, and tightened the nut with the socket from the cabin. Put the wahers
and nuts back on, tighten it down, leaving the .040" gap.
I then cleaned up the ragged edges on the hole the best I could. I cut a pice
of sheet metal that would fit over the hole, and made a lip that would wrap around
the side edges. I dreilled 3 holes in each side, 3 on top, and 2 on the
bottom. Put some RTV sealant on the inside of the patch and screwed it in place
with sheet metal screws.
This leaves me with a removeable hatch if I ever need to remove the starter again.
It realy does not look that bad either. If I did not point it out, I am
sure no one would know that it was a cobbled together job.
I hope this helps someone in the future that may be looking for an alternitive
to pulling the motor to get at the starter.
Andrew
815TL Kitfox II 582-C
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size |
Geez, I'm sure glad you made a Kitfox connection...wouldn't want to
"awaken a sleeping giant" (moderators) : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Nov 24, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
>
> Now, how to tie this in with picture sizes and Kitfoxes. Well, I
> have a lot of nicely-sized photos of my Kitfox on my Mac... :-)
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size Re: Mac operating systems (not Kitfox related) |
OUCH!!! I've heard in the past that sometimes upgrades are not all
they're cracked up to be...glad I'm a dummy and stay with the ol'
clunker. I upgraded my Kodak EasyShare (so I could more easily send
pictures of my Kitfox out to needy folks...heh, heh, heh, nice segue,
Lynn) and where I could send pictures out at 28KB, now it sends them
at 56KB...twice as long on the phone line, and why I rarely use it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, 593hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Nov 24, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Pertinent info regarding Mac operating systems.
>
> I opted to purchase a Dobo hard drive array for my Mac G5. After
> it came, I found that it didn't work on anything less than OS-4. I
> had something like Lynn had and since everything was working fine,
> I had ignored the upgrade reminders. I tried to find OS 4.?.?, but
> since Panther was out the 4 series upgrade was no longer
> available. So I went to Panther which I believe is OS 5.?.?
>
> CAUTION! Not all previous software will work with Panther. I lost
> my DVD Studio Pro. and it is no longer available as a stand alone
> title. It is only available as a bundled product for, Drum Roll
> Please, would you believe $1200.
>
> I love my Mac because of certain features that it has, but Mac
> owners be careful. As a new builder, $1200 can buy a lot of nice
> airplane parts. I have no advice on this issue. Any Mac owner can
> do his own research and decide for himself the risks of an
> operating system upgrade.
>
> As to the Drobo. It is a fine piece of equipment, but at least
> mine will crash at any power interuption and is absolutely not
> rebootable. The warning lights all come on indicating all disks
> full, and it required a new unformatted hard drive to allow it to
> boot. I can't afford a hundred bucks every time the power company
> sends a blip along it's lines.
>
> I am dealing with a Drobo crash as I write this and have an email
> request to a very nice lady for some help, but as of now, I think I
> spent a lot of money very foolishly.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Picture size
>
>
>>
>> I'm up to 10.2.6......I haven't checked to see how old that is.
>> There's probably newer...what IS the newest? As long as mine
>> works, I pretty much leave it alone. I'm more of a gearhead than
>> Machead.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
>> ignition system
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2008, at 1:20 AM, Steven Didier wrote:
>>
>>> <steve.didier@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> oh but there are more Mac users than you might realize! And if
>>> you are running the latest OS it is even easier than that with
>>> perfect results every time!
>>>
>>> Steve Didier
>>> C172
>>> Hope to be SuperSport builder
>>> duocore 2.3GHz iMac, 867 MHz TiPowerbook
>>> On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:31 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size/Mac OSX on Intel. |
I agree there are lots of options on software and operating systems, but the
Mac was purchased for video editing primarily and I doubt there is freeware
that can compet with Final Cut Pro, Avid or Adobe Premier Pro. If there is
I want to hear it.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Didier" <steve.didier@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Picture size/Mac OSX on Intel.
>
> What Paul said. I have running on a mixture of intel and ppc Macs at any
> given time, OSX 10.5.5 on either machine, using either Parallels or
> VMware WINXP or various flavors of linux Fedora, Ubuntu, Gentoo or
> Yellowdog. I dual boot Ubuntu and OSX on my TiPowerbook. I threw away
> Microsoft products because there is now literally every I need in the
> open source arena. Open Office or Neo Office is a full featured office
> suite that should satisfy all but the most demanding Excel macro heads.
> Crossover office is improving such that many Windows applications will
> run without Windows.
> And to upgrade to a major revision of OSX it has never cost me more than
> $129 and Safari etc have worked just fine as the upgrades have taken
> place.
> My point is that in all of this over the years I have never had an issue
> with virus's, trojan horses or other malware on these two machines or any
> other Mac in my extended family yet I have spent an inordinate amount of
> time fixing issues in the Windows pcs others in my family and friends
> circle own!
> Ultimately as with what we fly or build it is about choice!
>
> Steve Didier
> C172
> hope to be Kitfox builder
> On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:18 AM, Paul Franz wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, November 24, 2008 6:46 am, paul wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> There you go. That covers everybody, Macs & PCs
>>
>> And you can run Linux on either and all those tools you need are free.
>> Have you tried
>> Open Office? It's available for Windows and OSX as well as Linux. It's
>> as easy as
>> using the stick in your left hand and throttle with your right!
>>
>>> HMMM, I thot the Mac users were all using Windoz now that they come
>>> with OSX & Vista??? Ha.
>>
>> OSX is a Unix OS. But the change in Macs is the CPU which is now Intel.
>> Windows needs
>> the Intel CPU.
>>
>>> I miss my mac at times but the Windoz contents still my preference.
>>
>> Free up some partition space and you can run dual boot with another OS.
>> You might like
>> Linux. Especially the fact that the software is free and there is so
>> much of it.
>>
>> --
>> Paul A. Franz
>> Aircraft/Engine/Prop - Merlin GT/Rotax 914/NSI CAP
>> Bellevue WA
>> 425.241.1618 Cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tips for pulling the starter for repair on a 582. |
Well done
I considered this myself when my starter wouldnt. However I went the route of removing
the engine and replaced the weeping crankshaft oil seals when I was at
it
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| Subject: | Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22 |
Because one of the factors in determining TBO is reliability I think you are
safe in inferring the turbine is more reliable all other things being
equal... Some of those things are over revving the engine, and hot
starts... either of those will destroy the turbine in seconds. And the
effects are cumulative so have to be logged.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Franz
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choice- O-200 or EJ 22
On Sun, November 23, 2008 11:46 am, aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>
> this is fun.... ok ... can we agree that a turboprop is generally more
> reliable than a piston....
It's possibly a matter of semantics. It is true that the design life and
functional
life (TBO) is much higher for the turbine, turbojet or turboprop than for a
piston
engine. That doesn't imply anything to me about reliability. In other words,
if you
have engine A with a TBO of X hours and engine B with a TBO of 10X hours,
can you say
which one is more reliable? I don't think so.
--
Paul A. Franz
Aircraft/Engine/Prop - Merlin GT/Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size/Mac OSX on Intel. |
On Mon, November 24, 2008 12:50 pm, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
> I agree there are lots of options on software and operating systems, but the
> Mac was purchased for video editing primarily and I doubt there is freeware
> that can compet with Final Cut Pro, Avid or Adobe Premier Pro. If there is
> I want to hear it.
The software you mention is all first rate, for sure. I've not used Final Cut or
Avid
but I've used the Adobe Suite in Windows. In Linux with Gnome, I think Gimp is
pretty
good for image manipulation. I'm currently looking into something that will do
Vector
Graphics like Corel Draw or Adobe Illustrator but for Linux. Found Inkscape, has
fairly good reviews. As for Linux paint programs, there are Gogh and MyPaint. Both
are
still a bit primitive but look promising.
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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| Subject: | Re: Picture size/Mac OSX on Intel. |
Lowell, There are several that work as almost as well to just as well
and range from free to commercial (did you know that a good many of
the great animated movies over the last several years were done either
entirely with Linux or a mixture of Linux and OSX?) : MainConcept,
Kino and Cinelerra are the best consumer video editing tools that I'm
aware of.
There are over 20+ thousand applications to choose from in Linux not
all are in active development but those that are.... And one of the
best thing about it is the immediate response if you have a problem or
need some help. Forums such as this one are common in the Linux world
and the people are generally just as helpful!
Check 'em out they may not suit your needs as well as the expensive
proprietary ones you use but maybe...
Steve Didier
C172
On Nov 24, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> >
>
>
> On Mon, November 24, 2008 12:50 pm, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>> >
>>
>> I agree there are lots of options on software and operating
>> systems, but the
>> Mac was purchased for video editing primarily and I doubt there is
>> freeware
>> that can compet with Final Cut Pro, Avid or Adobe Premier Pro. If
>> there is
>> I want to hear it.
>
> The software you mention is all first rate, for sure. I've not used
> Final Cut or Avid
> but I've used the Adobe Suite in Windows. In Linux with Gnome, I
> think Gimp is pretty
> good for image manipulation. I'm currently looking into something
> that will do Vector
> Graphics like Corel Draw or Adobe Illustrator but for Linux. Found
> Inkscape, has
> fairly good reviews. As for Linux paint programs, there are Gogh and
> MyPaint. Both are
> still a bit primitive but look promising.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz, P.E.
> PAF Consulting Engineers
> Office 425.440.9505
> Cell 425.241.1618
>
>
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| Subject: | 582 Coolant routing |
Guy=2C I will call Paraflite and ask about their exhaust. Thanks for the in
fo. Have any of you 582 drivers had any experience with the Paraflite tuned
exhaust or any other tuned exhaust?
Do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> Date: Sun=2C 23 Nov 2008 21:10:06 -0800> T
o: kitfox-list@matronics.com> From: bnn@nethere.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-Li
<bnn@nethere.com>> > At 06:04 PM 11/23/2008=2C you wrote:> >Is this a diffe
rence between the blue and grey head 582?> > Yes=2C it's the primary differ
ence. When the thermostat closes the blue > head simply by-passes the radia
tor and continues to circulate flow > through the pump and cylinders. When
the thermostat closes on a grey > head all flow stops. I guess I should ass
ume you're going to ask if > it's necessary or desirable to change and my a
nswer will be no. The > great peril for the 582 is and was cold seizure=2C
where after a > low-throttle descent the thermostat is closed and the water
in > outside the engine is nice and cold. Suddenly you need full throttle
=2C > the engine heats=2C the thermostat opens=2C and all that nice cold wa
ter > dumps into the cylinders. This causes the cylinders to contract > fas
ter than the pistons and the engine seizes. The blue head > mitigates this
somewhat by mixing the incoming cold water with > circulating warm water. (
You could still cold seize if you had a lot > of really cold water in the r
adiator=2C though.) The answer for the > grey-headers is: DON'T DO THAT. Me
aning never do long descents > throttle off with the thermostat closed=2C (
water temp < 134F=2C) and > then put yourself into a situation where you'll
have to hammer the > throttle. Either descend throttle-on=2C or when you g
et to the bottom=2C > gingerly open the throttle=2C as you would during war
m-up=2C to about > 3000 rpm until the thermostat opens.> > >Also=2C what is
the brand name of the expansion chamber for the 582?> > Rotax. (Unless you
go after-market. See http://www.paraflite.net/muffler.htm)> > > > Guy Buch
anan> San Diego=2C CA> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done=2C thanks mostl
=====================> > >
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| Subject: | 582 Coolant routing |
Marco=2C I am rebuilding a Fitt shutter assembly presently to fit my twice
as tall radiator as his regular kit. Probably be a good idea to think of th
e shutters as similar to a carb heat function on the air cooleds. When you
cut power for decent close shutters same as putting on carb heat.
Pat Reilly
Mod3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2CIL
Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant routingTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Also=2C you can (and should) install Lowell's dandy rad shutter which=2C wh
en closed=2C will help keep water temps up during low-throttle descents.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1--- On Mon=2C 11/24/08=2C Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere
.com> wrote:
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant r
outingTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comDate: Monday=2C November 24=2C 2008=2C 1
At 06:04 PM 11/23/2008=2C you wrote:
> Is this a difference between the blue and grey head 582?
Yes=2C it's the primary difference. When the thermostat closes the blue hea
d
simply by-passes the radiator and continues to circulate flow through the p
ump
and cylinders. When the thermostat closes on a grey head all flow stops. I
guess
I should assume you're going to ask if it's necessary or desirable to
change and my answer will be no. The great peril for the 582 is and was col
d
seizure=2C where after a low-throttle descent the thermostat is closed and
the
water in outside the engine is nice and cold. Suddenly you need full thrott
le=2C
the engine heats=2C the thermostat opens=2C and all that nice cold water du
mps into
the cylinders. This causes the cylinders to contract faster than the piston
s and
the engine seizes. The blue head mitigates this somewhat by mixing the inco
ming
cold water with circulating warm water. (You could still cold seize if you
had a
lot of really cold water in the radiator=2C though.) The answer for the
grey-headers is: DON'T DO THAT. Meaning never do long descents throttle off
with the thermostat closed=2C (water temp < 134F=2C) and then put yourself
into a
situation where you'll have to hammer the throttle. Either descend
throttle-on=2C or when you get to the bottom=2C gingerly open the throttle
=2C as you
would during warm-up=2C to about 3000 rpm until the thermostat opens.
> Also=2C what is the brand name of the expansion chamber for the 582?
Rotax. (Unless you go after-market. See http://www.paraflite.net/muffler.ht
m)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego=2C CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done=2C thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | 582 Coolant routing |
Dave=2C Thanks for the advice offer. Wow=2C you have alot of Kitfox seat ti
me. Which model=2C options and engine have you got. Wish you lived a little
closer. Morris would be a good meeting point. I still have to get my lisce
nse. I flew an ultralite for 3 years 20 years ago and was taking lessons in
an Aeronca Champ a year ago until the club lost it's insurance so I haven'
t got any flying time in this year. What about the e-mail address...aeroba
tics? do you have experience with aerobatic manuvers?
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 58
2 Coolant routing> Date: Sun=2C 23 Nov 2008 22:28:51 -0500> From: aerobatic
lets keep in touch if I can help.... I have about 450 hours > behind mine
plus lots of good exp here from the group...> > I fly to Morris for sun am
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582 Drivers=2C I'm setting up the carb controls=2C should I have a control
for each enrichner or one that controls the 2 enrichners. Seems I might wan
t to enrich just one cylinder if that cylinder EGT is high due to a malfunc
tion in just that cylinder. Also=2C are those enricheners incremental or ju
st on or off? In addition has anyone attempted to use a good heavy duty pap
er shear to shear light gage aluminum or other metal?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
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| Subject: | Re: Bing enrichners |
Pat, the enrichers are designed to add a little fuel for starting a cold engine.
Use them like a choke. My kit came with a single cable that attaches to both
cables coming from the two carbs.
Mine have two settings on the lever that actuates the plungers. Full on to start
the engine and a lesser position to warm up. It only takes a few seconds at
warm up for the engine to start running smoothly.
If you have a primer you may not even want to hook the enrichers up.
Someone else will have to chime in about using them to cool one over heating EGT.
I'm not sure if having the control cables separate would be necessary.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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