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1. 12:32 AM - Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions. (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions. (815TL)
3. 05:04 AM - Re: Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions. (Dwight Purdy)
4. 06:24 AM - Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions. (815TL)
5. 11:29 AM - 582 Overhaul Results (LarryM)
6. 01:36 PM - light sport repairman course (Malcolm Brubaker)
7. 03:38 PM - Re: light sport repairman course (Bob Brennan)
8. 04:04 PM - Re: light sport repairman course (Roger Lee)
9. 04:24 PM - sight glass fuel indicator? (WurlyBird)
10. 05:57 PM - Re: sight glass fuel indicator? (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
11. 08:39 PM - Re: sight glass fuel indicator? (Tom Jones)
12. 10:00 PM - Trailering a Kitfox (John Allen)
13. 11:41 PM - Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions. (akflyer)
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions. |
akflyer wrote:
> Stay away from it. I got suckered into it, as did a buddy of mine.
>
> They are single ring pistons from a 583 snowmobile engine. At 3 hrs the rings
failed on akflyerbobs. We pulled the engine down and the rings had NO spring
left in them.
The eBay ad says they have kits for both 582 and 583. Maybe you got the wrong kit?
I tried expanding the photo in the eBay ad to see more detail of those pistons
and I couldn't be sure, how many ring lands there were.
Are the pistons supposed to be a forging? That might account for some of the reason
they are so expensive.
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions. |
akflyer wrote:
> Stay away from it. I got suckered into it, as did a buddy of mine.
>
> They are single ring pistons from a 583 snowmobile engine. At 3 hrs the rings
failed on akflyerbobs. We pulled the engine down and the rings had NO spring
left in them. They looked good when they went into the engine. The cylinders
were precision honed and the ring end gap was fine. After the break in and
a little over an hour in the air, I noticed a loss of power especially at takeoff.
I made a quick turn around the airport at less than half the pattern altitude
and got her back on the ground. I shut it down and jumped out and gave
the prop a spin by hand and I may as well have had a turbine in the nose, there
was virtually no compression.
Thanks for the advice. I am going to shoot him an e-mail and see if he can send
some closer pictures, and see if they are single ring, or doupble.
I noticed he does have diffrent kits for 582 snomobile, 582, and 582 aircraft.
I assume that there is some diffrence, although he could be selling all the same
thing, and just changing the price.
I will let you all know what I find out. If these are double ring, made for aircraft
582, they may be a good deal.
Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions. |
Leonard
Did you contact the seller and ask some questions?
Dwight Purdy
model II 503
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:19 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions.
>
> Stay away from it. I got suckered into it, as did a buddy of mine.
>
> They are single ring pistons from a 583 snowmobile engine. At 3 hrs the
> rings failed on akflyerbobs. We pulled the engine down and the rings had
> NO spring left in them. They looked good when they went into the engine.
> The cylinders were precision honed and the ring end gap was fine. After
> the break in and a little over an hour in the air, I noticed a loss of
> power especially at takeoff. I made a quick turn around the airport at
> less than half the pattern altitude and got her back on the ground. I
> shut it down and jumped out and gave the prop a spin by hand and I may as
> well have had a turbine in the nose, there was virtually no compression.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions. |
I just got a message back from the seller. He refered to them as "aerolites",
so I am not sure if that is a brand or what, as I can't seem to find any other
info on that brand name. Anyway, he said they make an aircraft version, and
a snowmobile version. The aircraft version is a single ring though.
Whay would an aftermarket company make a singel ring version?
Leonard, I am interested in more info. from you. Was this the exact same kit as
you got? Same seller? After you tore it back down, was the ring the problem?
Maybe the piston is good, but jsut needs a better ring?
At the price of this kit, it is 2 pistons, rings, and a whole gasket set, for about
the same price as just 1 piston with rings costs elswhere. Hard to pass
up a deal like that, but it is probably too good to be true.
Andrew
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| Subject: | 582 Overhaul Results |
After 71/2 yrs (300hr) on my 582, I decided to pull it down and look at it for
the first time. I can happily report that in all aspects, the engine spec'd within
new limits, or just outside new and well within wear limits. (Rotax repair
manual specs) The outer main bearings were a bit rough, and thus replaced.
I replaced 4 bearings (Rotax - airplane) ($314 delivered) and a gasket kit ($84
delivered - Mark Smith) for a total investment of $400.
That's 7 1/2 yrs. or $53/yr. I couldn't even come close to that on my Lycoming.
I'm not trying to start an argument, I just wanted to post facts. When
manufactures list TBO like 2000hrs or whatever, it doesn't mean that many hours
with no $$ spent, but just when the parts might be worn out. my .02
larry
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| Subject: | light sport repairman course |
is there anyone out there that has taken the course from rainbowI would lik
e to talk to them any info would be appreciated mal kf 2 582- michigan
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, 815TL <lawrenceaw@corning.com> wrote:
From: 815TL <lawrenceaw@corning.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions
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<lawrenceaw@corning.com>
Anyone have any opinions? Good deal, or stay away?
Andrew
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| Subject: | light sport repairman course |
I just got my ELSA repairman's certificate through Sportair, would that
help?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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Sent: 05 December 2008 4:36 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: light sport repairman course
is there anyone out there that has taken the course from rainbowI would like
to talk to them any info would be appreciated mal kf 2 582 michigan
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From: 815TL <lawrenceaw@corning.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions.
<lawrenceaw@corning.com>
Anyone have any opinions? Good deal, or stay away?
Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: light sport repairman course |
I went through the 3 week course at Rainbow. You can give me a call.
Roger Lee in Tucson, Az. 520-574-1080
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | sight glass fuel indicator? |
I am happy to announce that I have finally purchased a Kitfox III that will be
waiting for me when I get home from Afghanistan. My buddy that did the test flight
and inspection for me indicated that there were no fuel gauges on the wing
tanks, 6 gal variety. John McB has told me to check if there were holes that
were covered because he thinks there might have been some on that style fuel
tank but he had never seen an install done after assembly. For right now I
am guessing worst case and assuming there is not. Has anyone ever installed or
seen/heard of an installation of a sight glass or sight tube type fuel gauge
after the plane was assembled? Right now I am thinking that it should not be
too hard besides having to work partially through the fuel cap opening and ensuring
no debris remains in the tank. Am I completely wrong? Is there a good
kit or specific sealant for something like this? Any information will be a great
help. Thanks
James
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Prospective Kitfox buyer
Here for information on airframes and engines
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| Subject: | Re: sight glass fuel indicator? |
On Fri, December 5, 2008 4:23 pm, WurlyBird wrote:
>
> My buddy that did the test flight and
> inspection for me indicated that there were no fuel gauges on the wing tanks...
You might not need to go to the trouble of installing a sight glass on the wing
tanks.
The header tank may be large enough for a comfortable reserve. You might be able
to
see the fuel in a clear line coming from a wing tank and if the header tank holds
enough for your reserve requirement then that could be sufficient. You could also
install a low fuel alarm in the header tank. Some of the header tanks hold half
an
hour or more reserve.
You might also talk to the previous owner and find out what his procedure was.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: sight glass fuel indicator? |
> Has anyone ever installed or seen/heard of an installation of a sight glass or
sight tube type fuel gauge after the plane was assembled? Right now I am thinking
that it should not be too hard besides having to work partially through
the fuel cap opening and ensuring no debris remains in the tank. Am I completely
wrong? Is there a good kit or specific sealant for something like this? Any
information will be a great help. Thanks
>
> James
James, you are correct. The worst case is you will have to drill and tap the two
holes to install the site gage. The main Issue will be getting all the debris
out of the tank. A trick is to grease the drill bit so the debris stick to
it. An adapter on a shop vac would probably work but you may get the "Big Bang"
from fuel fumes.
Quarter inch polyurathane fuel line and brass fittings (pipe thread to hose barb).
Seal with a fuel proof non harding sealer.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Trailering a Kitfox |
Kitfoxkirk <aviateer@gmail.com> asks:
"I trailered my Kitfox about 300 miles. When folded the wings back out, I
noticed that from the flaperon vibrating on the horizontal stabilizer in the
folded position, it wore the aerothane off clear to the fabric. Any
suggestions on how to alleviate this in the future?"
Mine is a Speedster that came with a Skystar factory trailer and brackets. The
trailer is single axle with springs and a large toolbox. Two brackets go from
each front spar to the landing gear brackets. Two go from each rear strut to
the horizontal stabilizer. These secure and support the wings.
I tie the outer flaperon weights together with a bungee. This keeps the flaperons
immobile and clear of the horizontal stabilizer. I leave the stick forward,
elevators down. I put foam pipe wrap over the rudder and secure it to the
wing brackets with bungees, so that the rudder is turned fully to one side.
The tail is supported by a bracket that holds the aircraft on also. So do the
ramps, and a motorcycle tie on each landing gear. I only tow it a few miles,
but could go indefinitely like that, as everything is secure and nothing moves.
I have never covered the top, but would explore a cover held on with bungees with
pads under grommets and hooks, angled out, or tied on with cloth or ropes,
using bungees from each tie or rope to the landing gear brackets or trailer as
a tensioner to keep the rope or cloth tie tight to avoid flapping.
JA KF IV Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Rebuild kit questions, and ignition questions. |
They are SPI pistons. I used them in my snowmachine with good results so I rolled
the dice. I dont care what the seller says, such as "I have used them in
aircraft for 14 yrs blah blah blah". If you feel like rolling the dice it's your
butt and your plane, I just got through with a 2 yr rebuild on mine and I
dont feel like rebuilding it again cause I went cheap on the pistons, but it is
just my opinion and something I have observed first hand with my butt in the
seat doing the test flights for my buddy.
We put stock pistons in the hole and the ring gap was well within specs. The SPI
rings were not even strong enough to spring out and hit the cylinder all the
way around after a little under 3 hrs on them. They were fine when we first
put them in and we did not run the EGTs high or overheat the engine.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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