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1. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Slipping with Flaps (Rick)
2. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Slipping with Flaps (Bradley Webb)
3. 02:28 PM - Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (Lynn Matteson)
4. 03:24 PM - Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (patrick reilly)
5. 03:40 PM - Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (Tom Jones)
6. 04:13 PM - Re: CHT's (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
7. 04:28 PM - Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (Lynn Matteson)
8. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: CHT's (Lynn Matteson)
9. 04:59 PM - Re: Slipping with Flaps (J Rabon)
10. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
11. 06:04 PM - Re: Dead stick practice (akflyer)
12. 06:17 PM - Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (akflyer)
13. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (Lynn Matteson)
14. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (Lynn Matteson)
15. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (Lynn Matteson)
16. 08:42 PM - Re: Dead stick practice (JetPilot)
17. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
18. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: CHT's (Jim Crowder)
19. 09:11 PM - Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (akflyer)
20. 09:14 PM - Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic (akflyer)
21. 11:00 PM - Re: Re: Dead stick practice (Lowell Fitt)
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| Subject: | Re: Slipping with Flaps |
That must have been it. I was flying both the fox and a 172 and it must
have been the CFI that slapped my hand in the Cessna. Thanks
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: 2008-12-18 15:53
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Slipping with Flaps
Two words... Spam Cans!
Cessna advises in their POH not to do slips with full flaps as air
coming off the wings is unsettled passing over the tail of the plane.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Slipping with Flaps
Not sure where I heard or who told me or maybe I just read it, side
slips with flaps was not a good idea. I just never did them with flaps
for that reason. Maybe someone can refresh me on the why.
Rick
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Sent: 2008-12-17 09:56
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Slipping with Flaps
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Thanks Larry,
I just suspect that the Series 5/6/7 wing behaves differently than the
higher lift wing.
At full flaps on my 5, it takes a lot of forces to push the stick over
to slip and there is a lot of buffeting. This isn't there at the half
flaps point. I did put anther detent in at the 1/4 flap point when I
built my plane. I do use that often. It adds some lift but very little
drag.
Slips are fun and very useful.
Randy
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryM
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Slipping with Flaps
Randy,
i have a MK1V Avid Stol wing with a 582.
larry
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| Subject: | Re: Slipping with Flaps |
The C-172 POH for the older planes has this limitation for 40 degrees only.
There is no such limitation for the newer 172 models limited to 30 degree
flaps.
Bradley
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Slipping with Flaps
That must have been it. I was flying both the fox and a 172 and it must have
been the CFI that slapped my hand in the Cessna. Thanks
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: 2008-12-18 15:53
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Slipping with Flaps
Two words... Spam Cans!
Cessna advises in their POH not to do slips with full flaps as air coming
off the wings is unsettled passing over the tail of the plane.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Slipping with Flaps
Not sure where I heard or who told me or maybe I just read it, side
slips with flaps was not a good idea. I just never did them with flaps
for that reason. Maybe someone can refresh me on the why.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Sent: 2008-12-17 09:56
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Slipping with Flaps
--> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Thanks Larry,
I just suspect that the Series 5/6/7 wing behaves differently than the
higher lift wing.
At full flaps on my 5, it takes a lot of forces to push the stick over
to slip and there is a lot of buffeting. This isn't there at the half
flaps point. I did put anther detent in at the 1/4 flap point when I
built my plane. I do use that often. It adds some lift but very little
drag.
Slips are fun and very useful.
Randy
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryM
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Slipping with Flaps
Randy,
i have a MK1V Avid Stol wing with a 582.
larry
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| Subject: | Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
We (in lower, Lower Michigan) got about 5-11" of new snow today,
(added to the 3-4" last week) but the damn stuff didn't quit until
flying hours...for me....were over for the day. Plus, the driveway
into the hangar was too deep to negotiate, and the plow guy was not
available. Tomorrow will/should be better for getting my ski-equipped
Kitfox out and enjoy the snow-flying. If this stuff would just come
2-3" at a time, I could handle the driveway and parking (the car)
problems, but when it comes in "wholesale" amounts, it's just too
much...damn!
Oh well, I've got a fresh bottle of Baileys Irish Cream to help me
through the night, plenty of wood brought inside to feed the fire,
and plenty of projects (vacuum bagging and TIG-welding practicing to
be done for the next pair of skis) to keep me busy. And you guys have
got your Kitfox-building projects, so all is well. :)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
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| Subject: | Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
Lynn=2C Same here in Rockford. 10" today and I was cutting firewood. The di
fference is=2C I am studying for the written test. I will take it after Chr
istmas. I also need some welding practice. I can't mig weld except in the f
lat. Haven't practiced enough yet to get the right settings on the machine
or proper torch position yet. It is kind of like my painting experience=2C
I do it so infrequently that I am always starting over again.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lovely snow..
.damned snow! Off topic> Date: Fri=2C 19 Dec 2008 17:26:41 -0500> To: kitfo
ynnmatt@jps.net>> > We (in lower=2C Lower Michigan) got about 5-11" of new
snow today=2C > (added to the 3-4" last week) but the damn stuff didn't qui
t until > flying hours...for me....were over for the day. Plus=2C the drive
way > into the hangar was too deep to negotiate=2C and the plow guy was not
> available. Tomorrow will/should be better for getting my ski-equipped >
Kitfox out and enjoy the snow-flying. If this stuff would just come > 2-3"
at a time=2C I could handle the driveway and parking (the car) > problems
=2C but when it comes in "wholesale" amounts=2C it's just too > much...damn
!> Oh well=2C I've got a fresh bottle of Baileys Irish Cream to help me > t
hrough the night=2C plenty of wood brought inside to feed the fire=2C > and
plenty of projects (vacuum bagging and TIG-welding practicing to > be done
for the next pair of skis) to keep me busy. And you guys have > got your K
itfox-building projects=2C so all is well. :)> > Lynn Matteson> Kitfox IV S
peedster=2C taildragger> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 596+ hrs> Sensenich 62x46>
flying again after rebuild=2C and new Electroair direct-fire ignition > sy
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| Subject: | Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
Lynn,
At least you have skis so some fun to look foreword to. We have plenty of snow
in Central washing and more on the way. I wonder if I can take the skis off
my snowmobile and put them on my kitfox.
Merry Christmas to all, card attached.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Lynn FYI
yesterday I thought, for interest sake, that I'd fit my CHT probes above
the spark plug washer to see if I got similar results as you. (Previously
I just had mine sandwiched below the plug washer and the head.
My Temps dropped by about 30 deg F!
Previously my cruise CHT's were around 280-290 and now they're around 260.
Regards and Merry Christmas
Gary
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Kitfox-List: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic
We (in lower, Lower Michigan) got about 5-11" of new snow today,
(added to the 3-4" last week) but the damn stuff didn't quit until
flying hours...for me....were over for the day. Plus, the driveway
into the hangar was too deep to negotiate, and the plow guy was not
available. Tomorrow will/should be better for getting my ski-equipped
Kitfox out and enjoy the snow-flying. If this stuff would just come
2-3" at a time, I could handle the driveway and parking (the car)
problems, but when it comes in "wholesale" amounts, it's just too
much...damn!
Oh well, I've got a fresh bottle of Baileys Irish Cream to help me
through the night, plenty of wood brought inside to feed the fire,
and plenty of projects (vacuum bagging and TIG-welding practicing to
be done for the next pair of skis) to keep me busy. And you guys have
got your Kitfox-building projects, so all is well. :)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
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| Subject: | Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
We're supposed to get between 11" and 24" on the ground before
Christmas. And me with undersized skis...drat!
They say that practice is what makes makes a TIG weldor, and to a
lesser extent the MIG. I had to weld a little on a snow-thrower
yesterday, and it was a real effort not to use the TIG, but the MIG
laid the metal down where I needed it, and a lot faster too. Now I've
got the "big 4"...arc, gas, MIG, and TIG, so no excuses for not being
able to stick something together...except for practice. The other
three I can make a presentable weld, but the TIG is a bear to master.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 19, 2008, at 6:24 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Same here in Rockford. 10" today and I was cutting firewood.
> The difference is, I am studying for the written test. I will take
> it after Christmas. I also need some welding practice. I can't mig
> weld except in the flat. Haven't practiced enough yet to get the
> right settings on the machine or proper torch position yet. It is
> kind of like my painting experience, I do it so infrequently that I
> am always starting over again.
>
> do not archive
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic
> > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:26:41 -0500
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > We (in lower, Lower Michigan) got about 5-11" of new snow today,
> > (added to the 3-4" last week) but the damn stuff didn't quit until
> > flying hours...for me....were over for the day. Plus, the driveway
> > into the hangar was too deep to negotiate, and the plow guy was not
> > available. Tomorrow will/should be better for getting my ski-
> equipped
> > Kitfox out and enjoy the snow-flying. If this stuff would just come
> > 2-3" at a time, I could handle the driveway and parking (the car)
> > problems, but when it comes in "wholesale" amounts, it's just too
> > much...damn!
> > Oh well, I've got a fresh bottle of Baileys Irish Cream to help me
> > through the night, plenty of wood brought inside to feed the fire,
> > and plenty of projects (vacuum bagging and TIG-welding practicing to
> > be done for the next pair of skis) to keep me busy. And you guys
> have
> > got your Kitfox-building projects, so all is well. :)
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
> > Sensenich 62x46
> > flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> > system;
> > also building a new pair of snow skis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Yeah, apparently it doesn't take very much of a location change to
bring about different CHT numbers. And if you have the thermocouples
bent up...into the airstream...they go even lower. Mine were reading
in the mid 300's (location is right against the head, out of the
airstream) yesterday during flight. This is about 75 F higher than
from previous readings, positioned where the factory said to position
them.
Merry Christmas, Gary, and to all.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:12 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Lynn FYI
>
> yesterday I thought, for interest sake, that I'd fit my CHT probes
> above the spark plug washer to see if I got similar results as you.
> (Previously I just had mine sandwiched below the plug washer and
> the head.
>
> My Temps dropped by about 30 deg F!
>
> Previously my cruise CHT's were around 280-290 and now they're
> around 260.
>
> Regards and Merry Christmas
>
> Gary
>
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
>
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> addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of
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> arise as a result of the e-mail transmission.
> This year, instead of sending you a Christmas card in the mail, we
> have made a contribution to UNICEF Australia. We wish you a safe
> and happy Christmas".
>
>
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> 20/12/2008 09:12 AM
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> To
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> Subject
> Kitfox-List: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic
>
>
>
> We (in lower, Lower Michigan) got about 5-11" of new snow today,
> (added to the 3-4" last week) but the damn stuff didn't quit until
> flying hours...for me....were over for the day. Plus, the driveway
> into the hangar was too deep to negotiate, and the plow guy was not
> available. Tomorrow will/should be better for getting my ski-equipped
> Kitfox out and enjoy the snow-flying. If this stuff would just come
> 2-3" at a time, I could handle the driveway and parking (the car)
> problems, but when it comes in "wholesale" amounts, it's just too
> much...damn!
> Oh well, I've got a fresh bottle of Baileys Irish Cream to help me
> through the night, plenty of wood brought inside to feed the fire,
> and plenty of projects (vacuum bagging and TIG-welding practicing to
> be done for the next pair of skis) to keep me busy. And you guys have
> got your Kitfox-building projects, so all is well. :)
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> system;
> also building a new pair of snow skis
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slipping with Flaps |
Interesting that some Cessna models have the warning, some don't, even in
the same airframe.
Among the Cessna products which do not have the slip caution are:
* 1968 T-41C, this is a 172 with a 210hp IO-360 & fixed pitch prop
* late 70s R-172K, same with constant speed prop & 195 hp
* 78 C-182Q, 230hp
All of these have 40 degree flap capability.
Remember that Cessna just offers a caution, not a prohibition on slipping
with full flaps.
Jack Rabon
Florida
Here to learn before building
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Slipping with Flaps
Two words... Spam Cans!
Cessna advises in their POH not to do slips with full flaps as air coming
off the wings is unsettled passing over the tail of the plane.
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
I've had my plane on skis for almost 2 weeks=2C Flew about 3 hours between
yesterday and Wednesday. Temps were about +7 F both days so I wasn't sweat
ing anyway! We had about 12" of snow last weekend on top of the 6" or so t
hat was there allready. Supposed to get 4"-8" tomorrow. Only real problem
is the lakes are getting water coming up on top of the ice because the wei
ght of all the snow on it and that makes slush which is not good to land on
. I ruined a prop last winter when I taxied through slush that splashed up
and hit the prop blades. Well at least up here in Mn we allways have som
ething to complain about. LOL. Take care=2C Jim Chuk Avid MK IV Mn> Su
bject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic> From: nahsikh
s@elltel.net> Date: Fri=2C 19 Dec 2008 15:39:50 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matr
l.net>> > Lynn=2C> At least you have skis so some fun to look foreword to.
We have plenty of snow in Central washing and more on the way. I wonder if
I can take the skis off my snowmobile and put them on my kitfox.> > Merry C
hristmas to all=2C card attached.> > --------> Tom Jones> Classic IV> 503 R
otax=2C 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensburg=2C WA> > > > > Read this topic o
nline here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220208#220208>
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| Subject: | Re: Dead stick practice |
lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I'm still trying to figure you out. For a young buck with a few hours in
> your log book you sure have strong opinions you like to put out as FACTS. I
> can respect opinions, but personal attacks go beyond my personal ability to
> keep quiet. Frankly, I think the "poor judgement" is all yours in your
> posting style. I'd sure like to see you in a face to face discussions with
> some of the folks you like to diss. I can see it now, you sitting there
> with your 300 hours in a grown up ultralight facing a real pilot - 18,000
> hours in everything from Super Cubs and Pitts s2bs to B-777s, instructed in
> the military and for the airlines (Would you believe in real jets),
> currently a CFI and you telling him about airplanes
>
> Sheesh
>
> Lowell
>
> do not archive
> ---
Lowell,
Just read below and I think it may help you / all of us.
One day, long, long ago there was this Pilot who, surprisingly ........... was
not full of crap....
But it was a long time ago.... And it was just one day.
The End
sorry, couldn't resist, I will try harder to restrain myself in the future.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> We're supposed to get between 11" and 24" on the ground before
> Christmas. And me with undersized skis...drat!
> They say that practice is what makes makes a TIG weldor, and to a
> lesser extent the MIG. I had to weld a little on a snow-thrower
> yesterday, and it was a real effort not to use the TIG, but the MIG
> laid the metal down where I needed it, and a lot faster too. Now I've
> got the "big 4"...arc, gas, MIG, and TIG, so no excuses for not being
> able to stick something together...except for practice. The other
> three I can make a presentable weld, but the TIG is a bear to master.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> system;
> also building a new pair of snow skis
> do not archive
>
Lynn,
What tig unit do you have? are you using 1/16th or 1/8 tungsten? do you have
a foot pedal, or better yet a thumb wheel to control the heat? If you are using
1/8" it is a bit trickier to run without burning through. Keep the tungsten
VERY sharp. if you dip your wick, sand it sharp again. The easiest way it
to put it in the cordless drill, spin it up and hold it against a belt or disk
sander very lightly.
feeding the rod is the biggest issue most people have. They make a wire "pen" that
has a little roller wheel on it to feed the wire if you dont have the thumb
/ pointer finger trained to feed the wire.
Keep the tungsten protrusion limited and use a small cup. Most of the time I bet
my tungsten only sticks out 1/32 to maybe 1/16th from the cup.
For the airframe welding I use my buddies Miller econo tig unit and it works great,
but the thumb wheel addition was a must. He originally had a foot pedal,
but most time with planes you find yourself in a position that the foot pedal
is un-accesible.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
They probably wouldn't be large enough...or were you just kidding?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 19, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> At least you have skis so some fun to look foreword to. We have
> plenty of snow in Central washing and more on the way. I wonder if
> I can take the skis off my snowmobile and put them on my kitfox.
>
> Merry Christmas to all, card attached.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
I flew to my CFI' s house yesterday to do some work (I'm installing a
"Y"-shaped 150 control column in place of his 172 Cessna's "T"-shaped
control column, which requires lengthening the Y by about 5/8"...the
reason? Radio clearance in the center stack), and after a bit it
started to BR, so he suggested that I take it home or put it in his
hangar. I opted for the trip home...about 6 miles....in less than
ideal conditions. Made it fine. A half-hour later it was sun-shining
conditions. I flew later on for about an hour before it was time to
put it away. I went to some grass strips locally that I haven't been
into for a while. It was pretty flat lighting early on in the day,
and very hard to interpret the landing. I flew back over my CFI's
house and there was another plane...a Cub...on the ground with skis.
I landed and shot the breeze, then the other plane and I both left.
Pretty cool...both my CFI and this other guy are captains for AA
and..can't recall the other guy's airline...and both own and play
around (A&P/IA's) with small and large (Widgeons) planes in their
spare time. I'm lucky to be getting time to spend with this crowd and
getting the education that I am...damn! wish I was younger.
Did the blades break right away?...crack?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 19, 2008, at 8:10 PM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> I've had my plane on skis for almost 2 weeks, Flew about 3 hours
> between yesterday and Wednesday. Temps were about +7 F both days
> so I wasn't sweating anyway! We had about 12" of snow last weekend
> on top of the 6" or so that was there allready. Supposed to get
> 4"-8" tomorrow. Only real problem is the lakes are getting water
> coming up on top of the ice because the weight of all the snow on
> it and that makes slush which is not good to land on. I ruined a
> prop last winter when I taxied through slush that splashed up and
> hit the prop blades. Well at least up here in Mn we allways have
> something to complain about. LOL. Take care, Jim Chuk Avid MK
> IV Mn
>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic
> > From: nahsikhs@elltel.net
> > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:39:50 -0800
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Lynn,
> > At least you have skis so some fun to look foreword to. We have
> plenty of snow in Central washing and more on the way. I wonder if
> I can take the skis off my snowmobile and put them on my kitfox.
> >
> > Merry Christmas to all, card attached.
> >
> > --------
> > Tom Jones
> > Classic IV
> > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> > Ellensburg, WA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220208#220208
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
I'm using 1/16" right now, but just picked up some .040" ceriated
tungsten (suggested for aluminum), smaller cup, collets, and collet
bodies. I have the Miller Diversion 165 TIG machine...got it about 2
weeks ago, and I'm having trouble getting used to using the built-in
thumb wheel to control the amperage, so I ordered and got the foot
pedal. It's a lot easier now to control amperage, and now I can
concentrate on playing the torch correctly. Once I get the proper
torch action, and can consistently make good welds, I'll unplug the
foot control and try again using the thumb wheel for amp control.
It's hard for me...a fairly accomplished gas welder...to hold the TIG
torch, play it, and control the amps at the same time. Dipping the
rod into the puddle is kinda new, too. I'm used to melting the rod
with a gas torch, drop it in the puddle, and melting it in, and this
isn't the way the TIG instructions say to do it....practice continues.
I would have thought that a longer stick-out would be better...I'm
using 3/16" to 1/4"...according to the instructions. I'll try less
and see how that goes. Once I get the hang of the right stick-out,
amperage, torch action, torch angle, rod angle, and speed, I'll try
using the thumb wheel amp control again.
You say there's a rod or wire feeder? Does this attach to the torch,
or is it used with the other hand?
Regarding sharp tungstens....I got a little jar of sharpening
"crystals"...you get the tungsten hot and dip it into the jar,
rotating the torch, and shake off what adheres to the tungsten...it's
amazing, but it works...very pointed tungsten. Won't work for welding
aluminum though...makes it too sharp, according...again...to the
instructions, which call for a blunt tungsten for aluminum.
Geez, they just gave the weather forecast for lower Michigan....
11"-26" of snow on the ground by Monday, single-digits and sub-zero
wind chills for Sunday. That would be a warm forecast for Alaska, eh,
Leonard?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 19, 2008, at 9:16 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>> We're supposed to get between 11" and 24" on the ground before
>> Christmas. And me with undersized skis...drat!
>> They say that practice is what makes makes a TIG weldor, and to a
>> lesser extent the MIG. I had to weld a little on a snow-thrower
>> yesterday, and it was a real effort not to use the TIG, but the MIG
>> laid the metal down where I needed it, and a lot faster too. Now I've
>> got the "big 4"...arc, gas, MIG, and TIG, so no excuses for not being
>> able to stick something together...except for practice. The other
>> three I can make a presentable weld, but the TIG is a bear to master.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
>> system;
>> also building a new pair of snow skis
>> do not archive
>>
>
>
> Lynn,
>
> What tig unit do you have? are you using 1/16th or 1/8 tungsten?
> do you have a foot pedal, or better yet a thumb wheel to control
> the heat? If you are using 1/8" it is a bit trickier to run
> without burning through. Keep the tungsten VERY sharp. if you dip
> your wick, sand it sharp again. The easiest way it to put it in
> the cordless drill, spin it up and hold it against a belt or disk
> sander very lightly.
>
> feeding the rod is the biggest issue most people have. They make a
> wire "pen" that has a little roller wheel on it to feed the wire if
> you dont have the thumb / pointer finger trained to feed the wire.
>
> Keep the tungsten protrusion limited and use a small cup. Most of
> the time I bet my tungsten only sticks out 1/32 to maybe 1/16th
> from the cup.
>
> For the airframe welding I use my buddies Miller econo tig unit and
> it works great, but the thumb wheel addition was a must. He
> originally had a foot pedal, but most time with planes you find
> yourself in a position that the foot pedal is un-accesible.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis
> takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220233#220233
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dead stick practice |
Dick Maddux wrote:
>
> The military and flight schools have long given up actual dead stick landings
as too many aircraft were destroyed.
>
Dick,
The word dishonest was not the correct word to use, I was not trying to question
your ethics. The point I was trying to make was that yours was not a fair comparison,
and that is the terminology I should have used. I apologize for the
misunderstanding it caused. This seems to have eclipsed the very important
issue of practicing actual engine out landings. The engine failure statistics
for experimental aircraft are very high, and it is even more important for us
to be prepared for this emergency than even Cessna and other GA pilots.
The military flight schools have long given up on actual dead stick landings because
the modern military except for a few rare exceptions, fly turbine engined
airplanes. Turbine engine failures are extremely rare, and shutting down the
engines in flight in a turbine powered airplane in flight is so dangerous that
it is not an acceptable or practical training method.
Practicing deadstick landings in Kitfox aircraft does not in any compare to practicing
deadstick landings in high performance military aircraft. Kitfox airplanes
fly very well with no engine, and have no problem flying all the way to
touchdown without power. There is little difference between landing a Kitfox
deadstick, and landing a sailplane. The kitfox and the sailplane have about
the same landing speeds, and both airplanes fly and land just fine with no power.
At least in the Kitfox, you do have the option of restarting the engine
if you want to. Sailplane pilots do this every day with NO options like this.
It is very easy to say, " I saw a guy crash practicing deadstick landings, and
have come to the conclusion that it is a bad idea." The more intelligent and
thoughtful thing to do would be to look further into the issue, and consider how
many airplanes each year are needlessly are crashed, and how many people are
hurt in experimental airplanes because pilots were NOT trained adequately, and
not prepared for the day his engine quit. I have read of many crashes in our
class of airplanes because the pilot was not prepared for an engine failure.
Training accidents happen, that does not mean we should stop training.
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
Hi Lynn=2C After I landed=2C I taxied into about 3" of slush that I didn'
t see under about 10" of snow. When the slush hit the prop=2C it chipped o
ff some of the thin trailing edge off of one blade. I was at a fast idle w
hen it happened and as things started shaking I shut down right away. At a
ny rate it kind of ruined that day. Stay out of the slush! Take care=2C
Jim Chuk Avid MK IV Mn> > Did the blades break right away?...crack?> > L
ynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 5
96+ hrs> Sensenich 62x46> flying again after rebuild=2C and new Electroair
direct-fire ignition > system=3B> also building a new pair of snow skis> do
not archive> > > > On Dec 19=2C 2008=2C at 8:10 PM=2C Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wr
ote:> > > I've had my plane on skis for almost 2 weeks=2C Flew about 3 hour
s > > between yesterday and Wednesday. Temps were about +7 F both days > >
so I wasn't sweating anyway! We had about 12" of snow last weekend > > on t
op of the 6" or so that was there allready. Supposed to get > > 4"-8" tomor
row. Only real problem is the lakes are getting water > > coming up on top
of the ice because the weight of all the snow on > > it and that makes slus
h which is not good to land on. I ruined a > > prop last winter when I taxi
ed through slush that splashed up and > > hit the prop blades. Well at leas
t up here in Mn we allways have > > something to complain about. LOL. Take
care=2C Jim Chuk Avid MK > > IV Mn> >> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lovely
snow...damned snow! Off topic> > > From: nahsikhs@elltel.net> > > Date: Fr
i=2C 19 Dec 2008 15:39:50 -0800> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > >> >
> > > Lynn=2C> > > At least you have skis so some fun to look foreword to.
We have > > plenty of snow in Central washing and more on the way. I wonder
if > > I can take the skis off my snowmobile and put them on my kitfox.> >
>> > > Merry Christmas to all=2C card attached.> > >> > > --------> > > To
m Jones> > > Classic IV> > > 503 Rotax=2C 72 inch Two blade Warp> > > Ellen
sburg=2C WA> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Read this topic online here:> > >> > >
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Gary and Lynn,
As I remember Lynn's temp actually read higher with his new placement. Am I
right about that? I tapped the small holes between my plugs and plan to
fasten my sensors there via machine screws as Lynn did. I plan to leave one
sensor as a standard plug ring and mount if conventionally. I will look for
differences and even place it on an identical cylinder and then compare that
way.
My metal hangar is unheated and it has been soooo cooollldddd here. A week
ago it got to nearly 20 below zero. My fingers get so cold that when I drop
a washer or nut, I have great trouble picking it up off of the concrete
floor. Most days I still get four hours or so of work in, but I'm not too
productive. My son has now flown his RV8 four times. He has it in my
hangar. He is having radio problems. It is the only real problem he is
having. It is very noisy and cuts out on transmissions at times. He was
going up for a second time today and it quit transmitting completely. He
cut his gain settings way back from what the factory had them at and that
helped with the noise. We now suspect he may have two problems with it.
Before it always worked on the ground. Now it doesn't transmit at all. It
receives beautifully. The problem is he doesn't want to work on the radio,
he wants to fly.
Jim Crowder
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CHT's
Lynn FYI
yesterday I thought, for interest sake, that I'd fit my CHT probes above the
spark plug washer to see if I got similar results as you. (Previously I just
had mine sandwiched below the plug washer and the head.
My Temps dropped by about 30 deg F!
Previously my cruise CHT's were around 280-290 and now they're around 260.
Regards and Merry Christmas
Gary
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Kitfox-List: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic
We (in lower, Lower Michigan) got about 5-11" of new snow today,
(added to the 3-4" last week) but the damn stuff didn't quit until
flying hours...for me....were over for the day. Plus, the driveway
into the hangar was too deep to negotiate, and the plow guy was not
available. Tomorrow will/should be better for getting my ski-equipped
Kitfox out and enjoy the snow-flying. If this stuff would just come
2-3" at a time, I could handle the driveway and parking (the car)
problems, but when it comes in "wholesale" amounts, it's just too
much...damn!
Oh well, I've got a fresh bottle of Baileys Irish Cream to help me
through the night, plenty of wood brought inside to feed the fire,
and plenty of projects (vacuum bagging and TIG-welding practicing to
be done for the next pair of skis) to keep me busy. And you guys have
got your Kitfox-building projects, so all is well. :)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
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| Subject: | Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
http://products.esab.com/Templates/T041.asp?id=93098
It is called a tig pen, to help feed the wire if your having trouble with it.
If you are good at gas welding then feeding the wire should not be an issue for
you. I have never seen the "crystals" for sharpening tungsten. gonna have
to check into those! I am guessing it just removes the steel that you have melted
onto the tungsten and does not actually sharpen it if you stick the tip and
break it off.. worth checking into.
Naw, you guys have been having colder winters than we have for the last few years.
Here at work we hit 65 below ambient a few times last year, but I think it
never got more than 25 below at the house for more than a few days. It got
to -5 the other night at home. it is 30 above now and freezing rain....
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Lovely snow...damned snow! Off topic |
[quote="thesupe(at)hotmail.com"]Hi Lynn C After I landed C I taxied intoabout 3"
of slush that I didn't see under about 10" of snow. When the slush hit the prop
C it chipped off some of the thin trailing edge off of one blade. I was at
a fast idlewhen it happened and as things started shaking I shut down right away.
At any rate it kind of ruined that day. Stay out of the slush! Take care
C Jim Chuk Avid MK IV Mn
[quote]
When landing on a lake, you should come in and "drag" it. be like a wheel landing.
After "dragging" a set of track, go around and take a look at them from
the air. If the tracks are grey it is cause they are filling with water from
the over flow. Find another place to land.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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Mike brings up an interesting issue - engine failures in experimantal
airplanes. There are lots of airplanes in this catagory and lots of engine
types. Since this a Kitfox based forum - avid also and similar types, I
would like to pose the question:
How many engine outs resulting in forced landings have each of us had and
how many are we aware of with friends or local folks. To keep it relevant,
these have to be airplanes that have an Experimental Airworthiness
Certificate - not ultralights or powered parachutes, etc.
To begin, I can think of one, mine but technically the engine never quit. I
think I can recall one other from the list, but to avoid duplications of the
data, I will wait for that person to chime in if he wants to.
As in the aircraft Models, landing gear and engine survey of times past, I
would be willing to spreadsheet the data and make it available to the list.
My experience both personal and hearsay, can not justify Mikes statement
that "the engine failure statistics for experimantal airplanes are very
high".
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Dead stick practice
>
>
> Dick Maddux wrote:
>>
>> The military and flight schools have long given up actual dead stick
>> landings as too many aircraft were destroyed.
>>
>
>
> Dick,
>
> The word dishonest was not the correct word to use, I was not trying to
> question your ethics. The point I was trying to make was that yours was
> not a fair comparison, and that is the terminology I should have used. I
> apologize for the misunderstanding it caused. This seems to have
> eclipsed the very important issue of practicing actual engine out
> landings. The engine failure statistics for experimental aircraft are
> very high, and it is even more important for us to be prepared for this
> emergency than even Cessna and other GA pilots.
>
> The military flight schools have long given up on actual dead stick
> landings because the modern military except for a few rare exceptions, fly
> turbine engined airplanes. Turbine engine failures are extremely rare,
> and shutting down the engines in flight in a turbine powered airplane in
> flight is so dangerous that it is not an acceptable or practical training
> method.
>
> Practicing deadstick landings in Kitfox aircraft does not in any compare
> to practicing deadstick landings in high performance military aircraft.
> Kitfox airplanes fly very well with no engine, and have no problem flying
> all the way to touchdown without power. There is little difference
> between landing a Kitfox deadstick, and landing a sailplane. The kitfox
> and the sailplane have about the same landing speeds, and both airplanes
> fly and land just fine with no power. At least in the Kitfox, you do
> have the option of restarting the engine if you want to. Sailplane pilots
> do this every day with NO options like this.
>
> It is very easy to say, " I saw a guy crash practicing deadstick landings,
> and have come to the conclusion that it is a bad idea." The more
> intelligent and thoughtful thing to do would be to look further into the
> issue, and consider how many airplanes each year are needlessly are
> crashed, and how many people are hurt in experimental airplanes because
> pilots were NOT trained adequately, and not prepared for the day his
> engine quit. I have read of many crashes in our class of airplanes
> because the pilot was not prepared for an engine failure. Training
> accidents happen, that does not mean we should stop training.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220246#220246
>
>
>
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