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1. 02:03 AM - Re: Insurance (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
2. 03:15 AM - Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest (kelanie)
3. 04:02 AM - Re: Fw: test test test (Larry Huntley)
4. 04:07 AM - Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
5. 04:15 AM - Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest (Michel Verheughe)
6. 06:13 AM - Re: Insurance (Roger Lee)
7. 06:14 AM - Re: skis (akflyer)
8. 06:22 AM - Re: Everybody ground loops? (Lynn Matteson)
9. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: skis (Kitfoxkirk)
10. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: skis (patrick reilly)
11. 08:39 AM - Re: Everybody ground loops? (patrick reilly)
12. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Ground loops & Insurance (Lowell Fitt)
13. 09:13 AM - Re: Ground loops? (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
14. 09:13 AM - Re: Kitfox III Fiberglass Seat Pan Cracking (patrick reilly)
15. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Insurance (Michael Gibbs)
16. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest (Guy Buchanan)
17. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: skis (DeWayne Clifford)
18. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Ground loops & Insurance (Bob Brennan)
19. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Ground loops & Insurance (patrick reilly)
20. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: skis (Lynn Matteson)
21. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Ground loops & Insurance (Bob Brennan)
22. 10:38 AM - Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem (Randy Daughenbaugh)
23. 10:38 AM - Re: Everybody ground loops? (Lynn Matteson)
24. 10:42 AM - Re: Kitfox III Fiberglass Seat Pan Cracking (Lynn Matteson)
25. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: skis (Kitfoxkirk)
26. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: skis (fox5flyer)
27. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest as opposed to house arrest. (Noel Loveys)
28. 02:26 PM - Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topic (Lynn Matteson)
29. 02:34 PM - Re: Everybody ground loops? (Noel Loveys)
30. 03:26 PM - Re: water overflow bottle height (jridgway)
31. 03:28 PM - Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topi (akflyer)
32. 04:08 PM - Re: water overflow bottle height (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
33. 04:16 PM - Re: Ground loops? (Clint Bazzill)
34. 05:17 PM - Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topic (Noel Loveys)
35. 05:32 PM - Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topic (Noel Loveys)
36. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: water overflow bottle height (Noel Loveys)
37. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topi (Noel Loveys)
38. 06:02 PM - Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topic (Lynn Matteson)
39. 06:52 PM - Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topic (Lynn Matteson)
40. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topi (Lynn Matteson)
41. 07:11 PM - Re: Ground loops? (Lynn Matteson)
42. 07:39 PM - Re: Cardiac Arrest (Les Chambers)
43. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: skis (Kitfoxkirk)
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On Mon, December 22, 2008 7:58 pm, akflyer wrote:
> No insurance here... rather spend the money on gas and continue to push the little
> planes as far as I can (hopefully without breaking over the edge lol)
I can certainly understand that!
In the late 70's and 80's, hull insurance on a C-206 was 70% of the replacement
cost
when based in Fairbanks. Our company bought liability only and had strict rules
for
who could be a passenger which was pretty much no one that was not a company employee.
I have never had any insurance except liability coverage when that was required
at the
field where I hangared my plane. When I start flying the Merlin now under final
construction, I anticipate going to Canada so I will have to have liability insurance.
I think the money is better spent on maintenance, avionics and flight safety than
on
hull insurance.
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Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest |
If a person survives cardiac arrest, what are the mental deficits that can be expected?
Can a person regain 100% of brain function or is the brain irreparably
damaged? How long after cardiac arrest can a person be revived if you apply
a defibrillator...I mean how many minutes after the attack is there no chance
of bringing the victim back. For each minute, what is the percentage of immediate
recovery?
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| Subject: | Re: test test test |
Paul ,
If this came through the list, all is well. Thank you. Larry Huntley
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| Subject: | Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest |
On Tue, December 23, 2008 3:14 am, kelanie wrote:
>
> If a person survives cardiac arrest, what are the mental deficits that can be
> expected?
Posting medical questions on an aviation forum is obviously one of them.
> Can a person regain 100% of brain function or is the brain irreparably
> damaged?
The latter. But that comes from my experience with a Rotax 914.
> How long after cardiac arrest can a person be revived if you apply a
> defibrillator...I mean how many minutes after the attack is there no chance of
> bringing the victim back.
Does this happen during a ground loop? Check location of CHT sensors. Best practice
is
to dedicate a mounting point other than on the spark plug. If you apply them to
the
spark plug, they go between the plug and the washer.
This may only apply to two strokes like the 582. At least my 914 doesn't have/need
a
defibrillator.
> For each minute, what is the percentage of immediate
> recovery?
Would that be on skis? The word is longer skis give better control. More area is
definitely recommended for deep powder.
I'd say, you're ready for an annual or a condition inspection. You probably need
more
help than can be provided by the standard A&P even if they are instructor and
instrument rated.
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Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest |
> From: kelanie [lesleyjovan@gmail.com]
> If a person survives cardiac arrest, what are the mental deficits that can be
> expected?
I don't know why this comes on the Kitfox list but ... yes, one can survive a cardiac
arrest with no brain damages.
On the 27th of July, last summer, I suffered actually three consecutive cardiac
arrests with a total of five minutes technically death. Luckily, I was already
in the ambulance when it happened because a British survey that I read gave
me only 2 percent chances to survive.
I have now a implanted cardiac defibrillator, same model as Dick Cheney, I was
told, and I have no brain damages (okay, stop laughting, guys! :-) and feel in
better shape than before because now, I try to take care of myself and I bicycle
/ walk / jog about three-quarters every day.
The only problem is that I lost my driving license and pilot license.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as PAX
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I think if you own a $10K-$25K plane it is much easier to eat an accident's loss
at the personal level than if you own one that is $100K +. The risk out total
asset loss is just too high. The cost of a good part of todays SLSA's are
$90K+
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> While watching the Dave Fisher (thanks, Gary Algate) video of the KF on skis
>
>
>
> It would appear to me that there is a great deal of sliding friction and a lack
of
> flotation. The ski designs all appear to be fairly rigid. From my snow skiing
> experience, I would think that the skis might even be getting snow caking. It
would
> seem to me that they need to have more area from being longer, not wider and
if they
> were slightly flexible then with aileron control you could lean the plane into
a turn
> slightly and you would be able to turn.
>
> Wouldn't adding length and flexibility improve flotation, reduce friction and
greatly
> improve maneuverability?
>
> I know Lynn is building new skis and using vacuum bagging to build up the bases.
If it
> were designed as skis for powder, I'd think you'd want a length to width ratio
of
> about 25 with slightly wider front tips and a loading of about 1.0 lbs/in. So
that
> would mean for a 1200 lb aircraft with two skis, each ski would be designed for
600 lb
> load and would have 600 in. Given a length to width ratio of 25 that would be
mean
> each ski would be 4.9" wide and 120" long and be flexible enough so that the
tips
> could flex up going over ruts and ridges with a loading center about 50" from
the rear
> tip of the ski.
>
> Have skis of such dimensions been tried?
>
> 'Twas the nocturnal segment of the diurnal period
> preceding the annual Yuletide celebration, And
> throughout our place of residence,
> Kinetic activity was not in evidence among the
> possessors of this potential, including that
> species of domestic rodent known as Mus musculus.
> Hosiery was meticulously suspended from the forward
> edge of the woodburning caloric apparatus,
> Pursuant to our anticipatory pleasure regarding an
> imminent visitation from an eccentric
> philanthropist among whose folkloric appellations
> is the honorific title of St. Nicklaus ...
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
would be a neat trick trying to rig them and keeping the cables out ofthe prop.
Would be a bit silly to have 12 foot long ski's. If yer gonna do that, just
use full lotus floats.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Everybody ground loops? |
I'll edit my post my saying 1 g'loop in 500 hours sole, consisting of
1315 landings. My hour count is down due to nearly 2 months down with
engine repair. The one loop was caused by hurrying to turn around to
see why the police were gathering at the approach end to the
runway...it was a Piper low-wing that had overrun the runway and
collected some fence across the road. As the old saying goes..."ya
gotta keep flying it right up to the hangar"...and I didn't....no
damage except to Charley...(Pride). Insurance? Liability only.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
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| Subject: | Everybody ground loops? |
Lynn=2C Who do you have your liability insurance with? I'll need the same c
ome spring.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rock> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Everybody ground lo
ops?> Date: Tue=2C 23 Dec 2008 09:22:13 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.co
I'll edit my post my saying 1 g'loop in 500 hours sole=2C consisting of >
1315 landings. My hour count is down due to nearly 2 months down with > eng
ine repair. The one loop was caused by hurrying to turn around to > see why
the police were gathering at the approach end to the > runway...it was a P
iper low-wing that had overrun the runway and > collected some fence across
the road. As the old saying goes..."ya > gotta keep flying it right up to
the hangar"...and I didn't....no > damage except to Charley...(Pride). Insu
rance? Liability only.> > Lynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger
> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 596+ hrs> Sensenich 62x46> flying again after reb
uild=2C and new Electroair direct-fire ignition > system=3B> also building
===> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Ground loops & Insurance |
I had 909 hours before my forced landing - Model IV - with no ground loops.
And 100 hours in my training airplane C-180 and no ground loops there either
so my hand is up.
Regarding insureance. I carried $30,000 hull plus liability and over the 9
years I flew, I paid about $7,200 for the liability coverage. That $30,000
check minus the $100 deductable gave me another chance. I agree that the
loss of the airplane without coverage wouldn't have crippled us here at
home, but my hobby most certainly would have changed, as trying to resurrect
that amount for a new project, from budgeted retirement funds especially in
our new financial world, would have been impossible.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Ground loops? |
I have less than 20 hours/landings in tricycle gear aircraft. 0 for 2000+ landings
in kitfox and rv9. If you haven't done 3 touch and goes in that last (insert
your own number).....Practice Practice Practice. It is all fun.
One of the great debates centers around the tension of the tailwheel/rudder cables.
One side likes to have a little slack to reduce sensitivity, the other argument
is for more precise control. The first requires "dancing" on the pedals
while the latter responds to pressure. How one learned is generally the basis
for the bias.
John Kerr
Classic IV,912ul
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
I have never flown anything but a tail dragger and I think people spend way to
much time worrying about it. Learn to handle the plane on the ground with the
tail down then get the tail up and do some high speed taxi runs. If you can't
handle it on the ground you will get in serious trouble if you fly it.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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<DIV>I have less than 20 hours/landings in tricycle gear aircraft. 0 for
2000+ landings in kitfox and rv9. If you haven't done 3 touch and goes in
that last (insert your own number).....Practice Practice Practice. It
is all fun. </DIV>
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<DIV>One of the great debates centers around the tension of the tailwheel/rudder
cables. One side likes to have a little slack to reduce sensitivity, the
other argument is for more precise control. The first requires "dancing"
on the pedals while the latter responds to pressure. How one learned
is generally the basis for the bias.</DIV>
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<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
<DIV>Classic IV,912ul</DIV>
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<DIV>I have never flown anything but a tail dragger and I think people spend
way to much time worrying about it. Learn to handle the plane on the ground
with the tail down then get the tail up and do some high speed taxi
runs. If you can't handle it on the ground you will get in serious trouble
if you fly it. </DIV>
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| Subject: | Kitfox III Fiberglass Seat Pan Cracking |
Lowell=2C I know what you mean. When someone asks if I am retired. I ask th
em what retired means. I work from the time my feet hit the floor in the mo
rning until I go to bed at night. If they ask=2C "What do you do" the reply
is=2C "Whatever Joyce tells me to do. Joyce works me like a mule. But=2C I
am crazy not stupid." Like the old guy I met at the doctors office said=2C
"I'm retired. I get up in the morning without a damn thing to do. And=2C b
y the time I go to bed at night=2C I'm only half done." There is a secret t
o leading a productive life.......PRODUCE..... something anything=2C just p
roduce. I'll be trying to get out of the casket to build something=2C anyth
ing. Keep up the good work and designing KF options.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL > From: lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III Fiberglass Seat Pan Cracking> Date:
well Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>> > Yes=2C Pat=2C when I built my 1993 Mod
el IV the standard installation for the > seat pan was tiewraps. As I recal
l I put them about every six inches. I > used the ones that are about 9 inc
hes long. I rechecked the manual and it > calls for eight in front and nine
across the back. Keep in mind that the > tiewraps=2C the manual calls the
them zip ties=2C are to hold the pan down on > the tubing supports. The "C"
shaped lips keet it off the controls. I plan > to use the same method on t
he IV I am building now. I see no reason not to. > As I mentioned=2C the fa
ilures were due to the pan slipping off the forward > tube support due to a
redesign of the forward pan lip. Also the tiewraps > are replaced every an
nual as the seat pan is removed to inspect linkages > beneath it=2C so no a
ge issues there.> > Regarding the elevator trim kit. It is still on the bac
k burner pending a > completion of a current project. I am within a week of
finishing that - I > think - then I will get the tooling out and make up t
he kit parts and try > to determine a cost. Maybe the first week in January
for the results.> > Yes=2C retired folks no longer get weekends and holida
ys. I will probably > spend at least part of Christmas day in the hangar tr
ying to burn some holes > in some 4130 tubing or maybe if I am lucky=2C ben
ding some aluminum into a > trim tab.> > Lowell> > ----- Original Message -
---- > From: "patrick reilly" <patreilly43@hotmail.com>> To: "kitfox matron
ics" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>> Sent: Monday=2C December 22=2C 2008 8:06
PM> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III Fiberglass Seat Pan Cracking> > >
> Lowell=2C My Mod 3 seat pan has holes in it and on the frame cross member
s > that match up for rivets. You mention using tie wraps to attach pan to
> frame. Is that the normal method? I mounted my radiator with your shutter
s > today after combining the parts you sent to me to modify the shutters t
o > accomodate my taller radiator. Looks like they will work fine. I purcha
sed > the control cable you recommended. Any progress on the electric trim
kit > yet?> > Pat Reilly> Mod 3 582 Rebuild> Rocford=2C IL> From: lcfitt@sb
cglobal.net> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kit
fox III Fiberglass Seat Pan Cracking> Date: > Mon=2C 22 Dec 2008 10:54:32 -
l.net>> > Ken=2C> > My suggestion would be to > scuff sand the cracked edge
top and bottom and lay > a couple of layers of > fiberglass tape (top and
bottom) over the surface near > the edge. The top > (white) layer is gelcoa
t and make sure the scuff sanding > removes the > gelcoat in the affected a
reas. the edge would then be similar to > a foam > sandwich where the origi
nal glass and cracks would be like the foam > and > really non structural a
nd the layers of glass top and bottom would be > the > structural part. Als
o my opinion is that your repair would be for the > most > part to eliminat
e the noise and give some confidence that the seat will > > not crack strai
ght across. Fiber glass structures are not like plexiglass > > where a crac
k will always continue to propagate. Consider also that seat > > lockers we
re common options for small tools etc. These required cutting > > large hol
es in the seat bottoms which would seriously weaken the structure.> > > Reg
arding the seat pan failures in the past. I don't think there has ever > >
been a pan failure in a Model I through IV. The failures came after > Skyst
ar > added the trim panel in front of the seat and needed to change the > l
eading > edge of the seat from the tube grabbing "C" lip to the gentler > c
urved and > shorter 45=B0 lip to accommodate the trim panel. This is a > cl
assic example of > how a seemingly non structural design change to add a >
bit of eye appeal (and > weight) resulted in a serious safety issue. The >
failures were not > structural failures of the pan=2C but would come on a h
ard > landing or severe > turbulence when the seat would spring down under
the > pilot's weight and the > forward lip would slip off the bulkhead tube
. I am > not aware of a seat > failure from structural collapse. Also regar
ding the > old style=2C I know a > guy that has put over a thousand hours o
n two Model > IVs and has never tied > the seat pan to the airframe with th
e nylon > tiewraps. I have seen him in > "turn back" turbulance and tons of
off > airport landings with no incidences.> > Lowell Fitt> Cameron Park=2C
CA> Model > IV-1200 R-912 UL> Currently focusing on the Left Wing - almost
ready to > cover=2C fuselage as > well.> > ----- Original Message ----- >
From: "Ken > Harrison" <kenharrison@comporium.net>> To: "Kitfox List" > <ki
tfox-list@matronics.com>> Sent: Monday=2C December 22=2C 2008 7:11 AM> > Su
bject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III Fiberglass Seat Pan Cracking> > > What is >
the best way to keep the fiberglass seat from cracking? Mine has> very smal
l > cracks that are right at the outside edges both sides=2C basically> hal
f way > up the back. It makes a crackling sound every time I get in. I> hav
e > re-enforced the seat with some seat belt material underneath but was> >
wondering if anyone has a better solution.> > I am going to repair the > f
iberglass and thought I=B9d check to see if anyone> has dealt with this > p
roblem. I don=B9t want to make the fiberglass repair and> then just have it
> crack again in the same place.> > I=B9ve read about the seats failing an
d > jamming the controls...always in the> back of my > mind.=====
=============> > >
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>
Paul sez:
> I think the money is better spent on maintenance, avionics and
> flight safety than on
> hull insurance.
Everyone has there own financial circumstances to consider but, in my
case, I can tell you I would not be building another 'fox if it
weren't for the insurance payout on the previous one.
Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest |
At 03:14 AM 12/23/2008, you wrote:
>If a person survives cardiac arrest, what are the mental deficits
>that can be expected? Can a person regain 100% of brain function or
>is the brain irreparably damaged? How long after cardiac arrest can
>a person be revived if you apply a defibrillator...I mean how many
>minutes after the attack is there no chance of bringing the victim
>back. For each minute, what is the percentage of immediate recovery?
Do I really need to say that this is wildly off-topic? Please reply
off-line unless adequately humorous. (Thanks Paul.)
Guy Buchanan - Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar
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Kirk , they look very interesting .May I request a couple of close up
pictures .
DeWayne at kitfox@bresnan.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Kitfoxkirk
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: skis
Hello,
I designed and built these aluminum skis (see attached photos) with
small 6" plastic-rubber castor wheels attached. They are 12" wide and
48" long. I can land on snow or pavement, and they do very well in 12"
powder. The castors are semi hard rubber (I think they are 75 Durometer)
and they only stick through the ski about 1". So, the profile drag in
the powder is almost non-existent.
I can take more pictures if anyone is interested in this design.
Just my 2 cents.
Thanks,
Kirk
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:14 AM, akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:
<akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> While watching the Dave Fisher (thanks, Gary Algate) video of the
KF on skis
>
>
>
> It would appear to me that there is a great deal of sliding
friction and a lack of
> flotation. The ski designs all appear to be fairly rigid. From my
snow skiing
> experience, I would think that the skis might even be getting snow
caking. It would
> seem to me that they need to have more area from being longer, not
wider and if they
> were slightly flexible then with aileron control you could lean
the plane into a turn
> slightly and you would be able to turn.
>
> Wouldn't adding length and flexibility improve flotation, reduce
friction and greatly
> improve maneuverability?
>
> I know Lynn is building new skis and using vacuum bagging to build
up the bases. If it
> were designed as skis for powder, I'd think you'd want a length to
width ratio of
> about 25 with slightly wider front tips and a loading of about 1.0
lbs/in=EF=BD. So that
> would mean for a 1200 lb aircraft with two skis, each ski would be
designed for 600 lb
> load and would have 600 in=EF=BD. Given a length to width ratio
of 25 that would be mean
> each ski would be 4.9" wide and 120" long and be flexible enough
so that the tips
> could flex up going over ruts and ridges with a loading center
about 50" from the rear
> tip of the ski.
>
> Have skis of such dimensions been tried?
>
> 'Twas the nocturnal segment of the diurnal period
> preceding the annual Yuletide celebration, And
> throughout our place of residence,
> Kinetic activity was not in evidence among the
> possessors of this potential, including that
> species of domestic rodent known as Mus musculus.
> Hosiery was meticulously suspended from the forward
> edge of the woodburning caloric apparatus,
> Pursuant to our anticipatory pleasure regarding an
> imminent visitation from an eccentric
> philanthropist among whose folkloric appellations
> is the honorific title of St. Nicklaus ...
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
would be a neat trick trying to rig them and keeping the cables out
ofthe prop. Would be a bit silly to have 12 foot long ski's. If yer
gonna do that, just use full lotus floats.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes
over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220727#220727
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| Subject: | Re: Ground loops & Insurance |
I had about 3 "ground loops" during my training in the UK and 2 when I
started flying again here in the US. All less than 90* and all to the right
when braking. I finally came to the realisation it was the left brake fading
on a short stop and rebuilt the brakes - now no problems. So I guess that
would be a hands-up but not too high. I got real good at dancing on the
rudders though while trying to avoid those bad-brake-induced right turns,
and am still trying to brake(pun intended) the habit of always doing short
turns to the right.
I was going to go insurance-less until Lowell elaborated on his expenses
during his incident, especially the trip(s) to the hospital for
precautionary tests (which by-the-way Lowell might be good to recount here).
Having lived in the UK with the NHS (National Health Insurance) I had
forgotten how back-breaking (not pun intended, but what the heck) the
expenses can be as soon as that ambulance shows up. Also being on the
downslope of 50 I decided that neither turning the ambulance away nor
consuming a large chunk of retirement was an option, especially if
entertaining a passenger, so I now have minimum hull and liability
insurance, where "minimum" ($30k hull, $500k me, $100k passenger) is not
minimal in my opinion but in the insurance company's opinion.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: 23 December 2008 11:34 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ground loops & Insurance
I had 909 hours before my forced landing - Model IV - with no ground loops.
And 100 hours in my training airplane C-180 and no ground loops there either
so my hand is up.
Regarding insureance. I carried $30,000 hull plus liability and over the 9
years I flew, I paid about $7,200 for the liability coverage. That $30,000
check minus the $100 deductable gave me another chance. I agree that the
loss of the airplane without coverage wouldn't have crippled us here at
home, but my hobby most certainly would have changed, as trying to resurrect
that amount for a new project, from budgeted retirement funds especially in
our new financial world, would have been impossible.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Ground loops & Insurance |
Bob=2C Who do you insure with?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> From: matronics@bob.brennan.name> To: kitfox-list@matronics
.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Ground loops & Insurance> Date: Tue=2C
an" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>> > I had about 3 "ground loops" during my
training in the UK and 2 when I> started flying again here in the US. All l
ess than 90* and all to the right> when braking. I finally came to the real
isation it was the left brake fading> on a short stop and rebuilt the brake
s - now no problems. So I guess that> would be a hands-up but not too high.
I got real good at dancing on the> rudders though while trying to avoid th
ose bad-brake-induced right turns=2C> and am still trying to brake(pun inte
nded) the habit of always doing short> turns to the right.> > I was going t
o go insurance-less until Lowell elaborated on his expenses> during his inc
ident=2C especially the trip(s) to the hospital for> precautionary tests (w
hich by-the-way Lowell might be good to recount here).> Having lived in the
UK with the NHS (National Health Insurance) I had> forgotten how back-brea
king (not pun intended=2C but what the heck) the> expenses can be as soon a
s that ambulance shows up. Also being on the> downslope of 50 I decided tha
t neither turning the ambulance away nor> consuming a large chunk of retire
ment was an option=2C especially if> entertaining a passenger=2C so I now h
ave minimum hull and liability> insurance=2C where "minimum" ($30k hull=2C
$500k me=2C $100k passenger) is not> minimal in my opinion but in the insur
ance company's opinion.> > Bob Brennan - N717GB> ELSA Repairman=2C inspecti
on rated> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop> Wrights
ville Pa> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matr
onics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Low
ell Fitt> Sent: 23 December 2008 11:34 am> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> S
ubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ground loops & Insurance> > --> Kitfox-List me
ssage posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>> > I had 909 hours be
fore my forced landing - Model IV - with no ground loops. > And 100 hours i
n my training airplane C-180 and no ground loops there either> > so my hand
is up.> > Regarding insureance. I carried $30=2C000 hull plus liability an
d over the 9 > years I flew=2C I paid about $7=2C200 for the liability cove
rage. That $30=2C000 > check minus the $100 deductable gave me another chan
ce. I agree that the > loss of the airplane without coverage wouldn't have
crippled us here at > home=2C but my hobby most certainly would have change
d=2C as trying to resurrect> > that amount for a new project=2C from budget
ed retirement funds especially in > our new financial world=2C would have b
========================> _
===> > >
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Looks like 4 wheels total, and about 1152 sq. in. total of surface
area. Looks like the tail end is flat...any problem dragging it
backwards in snow? The bottom looks to be more than 1/4" thick...is it?
Good looking skis, Kirk.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 23, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Kitfoxkirk wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I designed and built these aluminum skis (see attached photos) with
> small 6" plastic-rubber castor wheels attached. They are 12" wide
> and 48" long. I can land on snow or pavement, and they do very well
> in 12" powder. The castors are semi hard rubber (I think they are
> 75 Durometer) and they only stick through the ski about 1". So, the
> profile drag in the powder is almost non-existent.
>
> I can take more pictures if anyone is interested in this design.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: Ground loops & Insurance |
Falcon, as do a lot of others on this list. I got the policy through the EAA
and was very happy with the personal service including several phone calls
answering my dumb questions.
http://www.eaa.org/insurance/
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: 23 December 2008 12:38 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Ground loops & Insurance
Bob, Who do you insure with?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
> From: matronics@bob.brennan.name
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Ground loops & Insurance
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:17:19 -0500
>
<matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> I had about 3 "ground loops" during my training in the UK and 2 when I
> started flying again here in the US. All less than 90* and all to the
right
> when braking. I finally came to the realisation it was the left brake
fading
> on a short stop and rebuilt the brakes - now no problems. So I guess that
> would be a hands-up but not too high. I got real good at dancing on the
> rudders though while trying to avoid those bad-brake-induced right turns,
> and am still trying to brake(pun intended) the habit of always doing short
> turns to the right.
>
> I was going to go insurance-less until Lowell elaborated on his expenses
> during his incident, especially the trip(s) to the hospital for
> precautionary tests (which by-the-way Lowell might be good to recount
here).
> Having lived in the UK with the NHS (National Health Insurance) I had
> forgotten how back-breaking (not pun intended, but what the heck) the
> expenses can be as soon as that ambulance shows up. Also being on the
> downslope of 50 I decided that neither turning the ambulance away nor
> consuming a large chunk of retirement was an option, especially if
> entertaining a passenger, so I now have minimum hull and liability
> insurance, where "minimum" ($30k hull, $500k me, $100k passenger) is not
> minimal in my opinion but in the insurance company's opinion.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> Sent: 23 December 2008 11:34 am
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ground loops & Insurance
>
>
> I had 909 hours before my forced landing - Model IV - with no ground
loops.
> And 100 hours in my training airplane C-180 and no ground loops there
either
>
> so my hand is up.
>
> Regarding insureance. I carried $30,000 hull plus liability and over the 9
> years I flew, I paid about $7,200 for the liability coverage. That $30,000
> check minus the $100 deductable gave me another chance. I agree that the
> loss of the airplane without coverage wouldn't have crippled us here at
> home, but my hobby most certainly would have changed, as trying to
resurrect
>
> that amount for a new project, from budgeted retirement funds especially
in
> our new financial world, would have been impossible.
>
> Lowell
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| Subject: | Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem |
Here is one solution from Wipaire.
Leonard says you need wide skis for floatation in deep powder. The problem
is that you get more friction with wide skis so they are not so good under
warm, packed conditions. The Wipaire skis are wide and narrow.
Look at the picture, I think it will be obvious.
Thanks to Deke for the encouragement and to Lynn for the 1 lb per sq inch
concept and some good pictures and to Leonard and others who have added
enlightenment. Good discussion!
Randy - Series 5/7 912S
Looking for a matched pair of snow boards.... My son suggested the ski
rental places at the end of the season.
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| Subject: | Re: Everybody ground loops? |
Avemco..interesting story....it was requested that all fliers in the
"Homebuilt Review" at Oshkosh in 2007 have insurance, and show proof
of it, so I hightailed it down to the friendly folks at the Avemco
booth, and signed up right then and there. The next morning, I showed
them proof of insurance (they were just going to ask, but not demand
proof, they later told me) and got ready to fly. That was when the
damned engine had flooded due to taxiing behind slower planes and my
carb wasn't liking that, and upon trying to restart after a long
wait, I couldn't get it to start and killed the battery, and couldn't
fly that year...bummer. But I had the insurance and that was a good
thing.
Now for the shameless plug for having an Electroair direct fire
ignition system...once I got the flooding sucked through the engine,
and I think the fuel mixture was "fireable", the battery was
groaning, and a Jabiru needs 300 rpm to excite their ignition. Now I
have the Electroair, and it needs to crank at a rate of only 80 rpm
to fire the ignition. I would've been in fat city if I had the
Electroair a year earlier.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 23, 2008, at 11:37 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Who do you have your liability insurance with? I'll need the
> same come spring.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rock
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III Fiberglass Seat Pan Cracking |
I figure I'll be in the casket thinking: "Now what in hell prompted
them to build this thing like they did? Damn, if only they had....."
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:13 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> I'll be trying to get out of the casket to build something, anything.
> do not archive
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
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Great looking skis, Kirk and good craftsmanship! Am I interpreting this
correctly that the entire ski rides on the little wheel in the center?
How does it do on a grass strip? Is that 1/2 plastic (UHMW) and where
did you find it? Ever thought of marketing them?
I'm impressed.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: Kitfoxkirk
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: skis
I will try to get some detailed pictures this weekend and send them
out.
Kirk
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:07 AM, DeWayne Clifford
<kitfox@bresnan.net> wrote:
Kirk , they look very interesting .May I request a couple of close
up pictures .
DeWayne at kitfox@bresnan.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Kitfoxkirk
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: skis
Hello,
I designed and built these aluminum skis (see attached photos)
with small 6" plastic-rubber castor wheels attached. They are 12" wide
and 48" long. I can land on snow or pavement, and they do very well in
12" powder. The castors are semi hard rubber (I think they are 75
Durometer) and they only stick through the ski about 1". So, the profile
drag in the powder is almost non-existent.
I can take more pictures if anyone is interested in this design.
Just my 2 cents.
Thanks,
Kirk
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:14 AM, akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:
<akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> While watching the Dave Fisher (thanks, Gary Algate) video of
the KF on skis
>
>
>
> It would appear to me that there is a great deal of sliding
friction and a lack of
> flotation. The ski designs all appear to be fairly rigid.
>From my snow skiing
> experience, I would think that the skis might even be getting
snow caking. It would
> seem to me that they need to have more area from being longer,
not wider and if they
> were slightly flexible then with aileron control you could
lean the plane into a turn
> slightly and you would be able to turn.
>
> Wouldn't adding length and flexibility improve flotation,
reduce friction and greatly
> improve maneuverability?
>
> I know Lynn is building new skis and using vacuum bagging to
build up the bases. If it
> were designed as skis for powder, I'd think you'd want a
length to width ratio of
> about 25 with slightly wider front tips and a loading of about
1.0 lbs/in=EF=BD. So that
> would mean for a 1200 lb aircraft with two skis, each ski
would be designed for 600 lb
> load and would have 600 in=EF=BD. Given a length to width
ratio of 25 that would be mean
> each ski would be 4.9" wide and 120" long and be flexible
enough so that the tips
> could flex up going over ruts and ridges with a loading center
about 50" from the rear
> tip of the ski.
>
> Have skis of such dimensions been tried?
>
> 'Twas the nocturnal segment of the diurnal period
> preceding the annual Yuletide celebration, And
> throughout our place of residence,
> Kinetic activity was not in evidence among the
> possessors of this potential, including that
> species of domestic rodent known as Mus musculus.
> Hosiery was meticulously suspended from the forward
> edge of the woodburning caloric apparatus,
> Pursuant to our anticipatory pleasure regarding an
> imminent visitation from an eccentric
> philanthropist among whose folkloric appellations
> is the honorific title of St. Nicklaus ...
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
would be a neat trick trying to rig them and keeping the cables
out ofthe prop. Would be a bit silly to have 12 foot long ski's. If
yer gonna do that, just use full lotus floats.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis
takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest as opposed to house arrest. |
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: (Off-topic) Cardiac arrest
At 03:14 AM 12/23/2008, you wrote:
If a person survives cardiac arrest, what are the mental deficits that can
be expected?
At least one good night's sleep compliments of some little white pills that
taste terrible! Other deficits may include a fear of good red meat!
Can a person regain 100% of brain function or is the brain irreparably
damaged?
Well if your brain functions at 100% for god's sake don't tell any one...
Most of us suffer along at something less than 10% efficiency.
How long after cardiac arrest can a person be revived if you apply a
defibrillator...
That depends on whether or not you are in the will!
I mean how many minutes after the attack is there no chance of bringing the
victim back.
Three days... If you are lucky you will be Irish... That means one less
drunk at the wake! If you are unlucky that one drunk less will be you.
For each minute, what is the percentage of immediate recovery?
Immediate recovery is no measured in percent ... Immediacy being time
should be measured in seconds Therefore the answer is... 60 Seconds
Do I really need to say that this is wildly off-topic? Please reply off-line
unless adequately humorous. (Thanks Paul.)
I agree hope my wild stab at humor will put this one into necrosis.
Merry Christmas
Do not archive
Me
Guy Buchanan - Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off |
topic
The second part of this response is OFF TOPIC, so bail out after the
ski part, if you wish....
Randy, I am SO glad that you posted this picture....on more than one
level (no pun intended...because the skis LOOK like there are two
different levels on the bottoms), and the two levels that I'd like to
address are the skis, of course, and the propellor. These are the
same skis that I photographed at Osh this year...the Wipaire Air
Glides. I did not get down to the floor level (there's that word
again) to inspect the bottoms, but I'm guessing that the bottoms are
pretty flat, that is, I don't think they are "stepped" like the photo
makes them appear. I think it's an optical illusion because those
skis are the hydraulically operated wheel skis, and the outer
"bottom" is shorter than the inner bottom. Throw in a little curve to
the bottoms, and you have a perfect illusion of a two tiered ski
bottom. Now I may be full of crap...it's happened before....but I
*think* this is what's going on here. I hope somebody has seen these
skis up close and can report exactly what the bottoms are shaped like.
****************
My second point is the propellor...and Noel will love this....I wish,
Randy, you hadn't cropped the top off so much, because you can see
both prop stripes in the picture, yet we don't even see the center of
the spinner. Both prop blades are lower than below center. How is
this possible? (and do you care?) It is NOT a three-bladed prop. You
would know that if you saw the whole advertisement (it's and ad for
the Aviat Husky). If you look at the whole picture, it looks like the
prop is bent downwards, like a drooping mustache. This is another
case of optical illusion, caused by shooting the picture with a slow
shutter speed (or a high engine speed) and a horizontal focal plane
shutter. What happens is the narrow slit that lets light into the
camera passes the right side of the prop which we'll say is at the 4
o'clock position when the slit passes it, and by the time it crosses
the film plane (or the digital screen whatever digital cameras do)
and gets to the opposite side of the propellor, the prop has rotated
to a different position (this side of the prop would have been at the
10 o'clock position when the right side was at 4 o'clock of course)
and the image is burned onto the film/digital screen, and appears as
though the prop is distorted, bent, whatever. I've found this image
fascinating ever since I first saw it. To see the whole image go to
http://www.aircraftowneronline.com/45/index.cfm
This image tells a lie, unlike the old saying, "the camera never
lies" : )
Sorry to get off in left field, Guy and Mike, and others, but this
stuff interests me...and Noel. We'll take it off line if anybody
wants to yak about it, or has other ideas about this picture.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 23, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>
>
> Here is one solution from Wipaire.
>
> Leonard says you need wide skis for floatation in deep powder. The
> problem
> is that you get more friction with wide skis so they are not so
> good under
> warm, packed conditions. The Wipaire skis are wide and narrow.
>
> Look at the picture, I think it will be obvious.
>
> Thanks to Deke for the encouragement and to Lynn for the 1 lb per
> sq inch
> concept and some good pictures and to Leonard and others who have
> added
> enlightenment. Good discussion!
>
> Randy - Series 5/7 912S
> Looking for a matched pair of snow boards.... My son suggested the
> ski
> rental places at the end of the season.
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| Subject: | Everybody ground loops? |
Whether or not you ground loop your plane depends on the type of flying you
do. If you are sgressive than the chances of a groundloop or engine out
will increase. If you fly well within your limits be prepared and if
nothing happens in your flying career you will know you did something right.
Someone once said having a good career is like having two bags One full of
luck, the other empty but labelled experience. The trick is to use common
sense to fill the experience bag before the luck runs out.
Noel Loveys
AME Intern, RPP
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 floats
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Everybody ground loops?
<paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
Hello,
I'm considering buying either a half share or a whole share in a completed
Fox (TD). I have no TD time and while becoming taildragger-proficient is
appealing to me, ground-looping one is *not*!
I am based at a towered field and, if nothing else, I sure don't want the
aggravation of an NTSB investigation and the impact on my insurance. I have
about 525 incident-and-accident-free hours now and I'd like to keep it that
way (almost all in Cessnas and the Cirrus SR22).
So.... assuming I get a GOOD TG endorsement from a GOOD instructor, and GOOD
training in the Kitfox, honestly, should I _seriously_ expect to ground-loop
it at *some* point?
How about this - everybody who's got 50, 100, 200, 500, etc. hours in
Kitfoxes while never looping raise your hand! :)
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| Subject: | Re: water overflow bottle height |
After the first complete heat/cool cycle should the return line always have water
in it? If so, how is this water held there (slight vacuum?)? I would think
it would eventually drain back down into the recovery bottle since it is 6 inches
below the radiator cap.
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off |
topi
Lynn,
I will try and get you pics of the ski's tomorrow, I think they have a few of them
out at the airport.
You are thinking way too much on the shape of the bottoms and how they actuate.
It is much simpler, unless I am way off in left field ( I spend alot of time
there these days) and you lost me on what you were trying to describe.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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On Tue, December 23, 2008 3:25 pm, jridgway wrote:
>
> After the first complete heat/cool cycle should the return line always have water
in
> it? If so, how is this water held there (slight vacuum?)? I would think it would
> eventually drain back down into the recovery bottle since it is 6 inches below
the
> radiator cap.
It's a syphon. Overflow tube is flooded so unless there is a leak in the system,
no
air will get in and the overflow tube remains full.
It might take a few warm up and cool down cycles to complete void all the entrained
air. Should be less and less each time. There is some expansion and contraction
going
on while the engine is running too since you are changing power settings and the
water
temperature in the radiator is changing temperature so it is expanding and contracting
with changes in power setting. Since the pressure in the expansion tank is atmospheric
at least at the upper surface, the entrained air will escape there faster than
it will
under pressure in the circulating part of the cooling system.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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HAVING LOOSE RUDDER PEDALS IN YOUR AIRPLANE=2C IS LIKE HAVING LOOSE STEERI
NG IN YOUR CAR. NOT A GOOD IDEA.
CLINT
From: kerrjohna@comcast.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox
-List: Ground loops?Date: Tue=2C 23 Dec 2008 17:12:24 +0000
I have less than 20 hours/landings in tricycle gear aircraft. 0 for 2000+
landings in kitfox and rv9. If you haven't done 3 touch and goes in that l
ast (insert your own number).....Practice Practice Practice. It is all fun
.
One of the great debates centers around the tension of the tailwheel/rudder
cables. One side likes to have a little slack to reduce sensitivity=2C th
e other argument is for more precise control. The first requires "dancing"
on the pedals while the latter responds to pressure. How one learned is g
enerally the basis for the bias.
John Kerr
Classic IV=2C912ul
-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Dee Young" <henrysfor
k1@msn.com>
I have never flown anything but a tail dragger and I think people spend way
to much time worrying about it. Learn to handle the plane on the ground wi
th the tail down then get the tail up and do some high speed taxi runs. If
you can't handle it on the ground you will get in serious trouble if you fl
y it.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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topic
My only answer to this is Lynn is spot on and I spent over twenty years as
the biggest liar I know with a camera. Even today I have to be careful when
taking pictures to illustrate something It can be too easy to make the
picture show something that isn't there.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly
off topic
The second part of this response is OFF TOPIC, so bail out after the
ski part, if you wish....
Randy, I am SO glad that you posted this picture....on more than one
level (no pun intended...because the skis LOOK like there are two
different levels on the bottoms), and the two levels that I'd like to
address are the skis, of course, and the propellor. These are the
same skis that I photographed at Osh this year...the Wipaire Air
Glides. I did not get down to the floor level (there's that word
again) to inspect the bottoms, but I'm guessing that the bottoms are
pretty flat, that is, I don't think they are "stepped" like the photo
makes them appear. I think it's an optical illusion because those
skis are the hydraulically operated wheel skis, and the outer
"bottom" is shorter than the inner bottom. Throw in a little curve to
the bottoms, and you have a perfect illusion of a two tiered ski
bottom. Now I may be full of crap...it's happened before....but I
*think* this is what's going on here. I hope somebody has seen these
skis up close and can report exactly what the bottoms are shaped like.
****************
My second point is the propellor...and Noel will love this....I wish,
Randy, you hadn't cropped the top off so much, because you can see
both prop stripes in the picture, yet we don't even see the center of
the spinner. Both prop blades are lower than below center. How is
this possible? (and do you care?) It is NOT a three-bladed prop. You
would know that if you saw the whole advertisement (it's and ad for
the Aviat Husky). If you look at the whole picture, it looks like the
prop is bent downwards, like a drooping mustache. This is another
case of optical illusion, caused by shooting the picture with a slow
shutter speed (or a high engine speed) and a horizontal focal plane
shutter. What happens is the narrow slit that lets light into the
camera passes the right side of the prop which we'll say is at the 4
o'clock position when the slit passes it, and by the time it crosses
the film plane (or the digital screen whatever digital cameras do)
and gets to the opposite side of the propellor, the prop has rotated
to a different position (this side of the prop would have been at the
10 o'clock position when the right side was at 4 o'clock of course)
and the image is burned onto the film/digital screen, and appears as
though the prop is distorted, bent, whatever. I've found this image
fascinating ever since I first saw it. To see the whole image go to
http://www.aircraftowneronline.com/45/index.cfm
This image tells a lie, unlike the old saying, "the camera never
lies" : )
Sorry to get off in left field, Guy and Mike, and others, but this
stuff interests me...and Noel. We'll take it off line if anybody
wants to yak about it, or has other ideas about this picture.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 23, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>
>
> Here is one solution from Wipaire.
>
> Leonard says you need wide skis for floatation in deep powder. The
> problem
> is that you get more friction with wide skis so they are not so
> good under
> warm, packed conditions. The Wipaire skis are wide and narrow.
>
> Look at the picture, I think it will be obvious.
>
> Thanks to Deke for the encouragement and to Lynn for the 1 lb per
> sq inch
> concept and some good pictures and to Leonard and others who have
> added
> enlightenment. Good discussion!
>
> Randy - Series 5/7 912S
> Looking for a matched pair of snow boards.... My son suggested the
> ski
> rental places at the end of the season.
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I just had another look at that picture and something comes to mind. The
step up and the wheels are on the outboard part of the skis. That would put
quite a twist on the skis on hard pack snow. Also the wheels would have to
drop down further to allow the inboard part of the skis to lift off the
runway... If I was going to try to design a stepped ski, I'm not, I would
have the low part of the step under the wheel so there would be any undue
twisting of the ski on hard snow and I would have the wheel protrude through
the low step so it wouldn't have to penetrate so far. Doing that would mean
that I would have to put the wide step part of the ski outboard of the
wheels to stop the skis from tripping in a turn. Outboard would also give
you something to step on in all that deep powder.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly
off topic
The second part of this response is OFF TOPIC, so bail out after the
ski part, if you wish....
Randy, I am SO glad that you posted this picture....on more than one
level (no pun intended...because the skis LOOK like there are two
different levels on the bottoms), and the two levels that I'd like to
address are the skis, of course, and the propellor. These are the
same skis that I photographed at Osh this year...the Wipaire Air
Glides. I did not get down to the floor level (there's that word
again) to inspect the bottoms, but I'm guessing that the bottoms are
pretty flat, that is, I don't think they are "stepped" like the photo
makes them appear. I think it's an optical illusion because those
skis are the hydraulically operated wheel skis, and the outer
"bottom" is shorter than the inner bottom. Throw in a little curve to
the bottoms, and you have a perfect illusion of a two tiered ski
bottom. Now I may be full of crap...it's happened before....but I
*think* this is what's going on here. I hope somebody has seen these
skis up close and can report exactly what the bottoms are shaped like.
****************
My second point is the propellor...and Noel will love this....I wish,
Randy, you hadn't cropped the top off so much, because you can see
both prop stripes in the picture, yet we don't even see the center of
the spinner. Both prop blades are lower than below center. How is
this possible? (and do you care?) It is NOT a three-bladed prop. You
would know that if you saw the whole advertisement (it's and ad for
the Aviat Husky). If you look at the whole picture, it looks like the
prop is bent downwards, like a drooping mustache. This is another
case of optical illusion, caused by shooting the picture with a slow
shutter speed (or a high engine speed) and a horizontal focal plane
shutter. What happens is the narrow slit that lets light into the
camera passes the right side of the prop which we'll say is at the 4
o'clock position when the slit passes it, and by the time it crosses
the film plane (or the digital screen whatever digital cameras do)
and gets to the opposite side of the propellor, the prop has rotated
to a different position (this side of the prop would have been at the
10 o'clock position when the right side was at 4 o'clock of course)
and the image is burned onto the film/digital screen, and appears as
though the prop is distorted, bent, whatever. I've found this image
fascinating ever since I first saw it. To see the whole image go to
http://www.aircraftowneronline.com/45/index.cfm
This image tells a lie, unlike the old saying, "the camera never
lies" : )
Sorry to get off in left field, Guy and Mike, and others, but this
stuff interests me...and Noel. We'll take it off line if anybody
wants to yak about it, or has other ideas about this picture.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 23, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>
>
> Here is one solution from Wipaire.
>
> Leonard says you need wide skis for floatation in deep powder. The
> problem
> is that you get more friction with wide skis so they are not so
> good under
> warm, packed conditions. The Wipaire skis are wide and narrow.
>
> Look at the picture, I think it will be obvious.
>
> Thanks to Deke for the encouragement and to Lynn for the 1 lb per
> sq inch
> concept and some good pictures and to Leonard and others who have
> added
> enlightenment. Good discussion!
>
> Randy - Series 5/7 912S
> Looking for a matched pair of snow boards.... My son suggested the
> ski
> rental places at the end of the season.
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| Subject: | Re: water overflow bottle height |
No vacuum... the cooling system on the high pressure side of the rad cap is
closed so like when you put a finger over a straw nothing will come out.
Remember also the bottom of the straw, in this instance, is always under the
level of the coolant so there should be no way for any air to get in there.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jridgway
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: water overflow bottle height
After the first complete heat/cool cycle should the return line always have
water in it? If so, how is this water held there (slight vacuum?)? I would
think it would eventually drain back down into the recovery bottle since it
is 6 inches below the radiator cap.
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly |
off topi
Leonard:
If you can get some profile pics of the skis front on, side on and top down.
This could be interesting. Also ask a few of the guys who fly them what
they think.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly
off topi
Lynn,
I will try and get you pics of the ski's tomorrow, I think they have a few
of them out at the airport.
You are thinking way too much on the shape of the bottoms and how they
actuate. It is much simpler, unless I am way off in left field ( I spend
alot of time there these days) and you lost me on what you were trying to
describe.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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There is a very famous picture of an old race car that was taken as
the car went by. The cameraman panned with the car and he was using a
vertical-shutter camera. As he panned with the race car...using a
slightly faster or slower pan speed as compared to the car....a
telephone pole in the background slants one way while the rear tire
on the car goes oval shaped, and is slanted the other way...very
unusual.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
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On Dec 23, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> My only answer to this is Lynn is spot on and I spent over twenty
> years as
> the biggest liar I know with a camera. Even today I have to be
> careful when
> taking pictures to illustrate something It can be too easy to make
> the
> picture show something that isn't there.
>
> Noel
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off |
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Noel-
I don't think it IS a step at all...see my other post for how to make
a paper shape and I think you'll agree that the "step" MIGHT be an
optical illusion. Let me know what you think after making the "paper
ski."
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
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On Dec 23, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> I just had another look at that picture and something comes to
> mind. The
> step up and the wheels are on the outboard part of the skis. That
> would put
> quite a twist on the skis on hard pack snow. Also the wheels would
> have to
> drop down further to allow the inboard part of the skis to lift
> off the
> runway... If I was going to try to design a stepped ski, I'm not,
> I would
> have the low part of the step under the wheel so there would be any
> undue
> twisting of the ski on hard snow and I would have the wheel
> protrude through
> the low step so it wouldn't have to penetrate so far. Doing that
> would mean
> that I would have to put the wide step part of the ski outboard of the
> wheels to stop the skis from tripping in a turn. Outboard would
> also give
> you something to step on in all that deep powder.
>
> Noel
>
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off topi
What I was trying to describe was the shape of the bottom of those
Wipaire Air Glide skis which (in the Aviat Husky picture on the cover
of Aircraft Owner http://www.aircraftowneronline.com/45/index.cfm
(or the picture that Randy posted)) seem to have a stepped bottom.
That is, it appears to have the outer half (from side-to-side) raised
higher than the inner half. I think this is a trick of the camera
angle. Try this: take a piece of paper and draw a square with a
pencil on it. Make the square about 1" on all sides. Now draw a
rectangle on the lower left side of the square. The rectangle should
be about 1 - 1/2" long and attached to the square. You're trying to
make it look roughly like the footprint of the ski pictured below:
Now cut out this shape, and curl the paper slightly in the long
dimension so that it becomes concave like the top of the ski. It
might help if you draw the wear bars onto the bottom of the ski like
the Husky picture shows. Now hold the paper ski up in front of you,
and closing one eye (so you eliminate the 3-dimensional aspect...this
is what the camera does after all) look at the very front of the
ski...the wide part....head on, just like in the *airplane's* left
ski in the Husky ad. Now rotate it slowly upwards as if the plane it
was on was taking off/rotating right toward you. At a very slight
angle above horizontal, you will perceive what appears to be a step
on the bottom, where the side where the wheel would be (the outside
of the ski) looks like it is raised above the inner half of the ski
bottom. I maintain that this isn't a step on the bottom, but an
illusion...like the "bent" propellor in the Husky picture.
I'm not really thinking that they SHOULD be stepped
On Dec 23, 2008, at 6:27 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> Lynn,
>
> I will try and get you pics of the ski's tomorrow, I think they
> have a few of them out at the airport.
>
> You are thinking way too much on the shape of the bottoms and how
> they actuate. It is much simpler, unless I am way off in left
> field ( I spend alot of time there these days) and you lost me on
> what you were trying to describe.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis
> takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220839#220839
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ground loops? |
Clint-
I don't think you can have loose rudder pedals in a Kitfox, because
of the return spring that go from the pedals to the firewall...at
least in my IV they do. The looseness that most people argue over is
the linkage from the rudder horns to the steering arms on the
tailwheel assembly. Mine are loose and I love 'em like that, and
again, I have had only one ground loop in 1315 landings (and that was
a hurry to get turned around) in 500 hours of solo flight in my
Kitfox since I learned to fly in this same Kitfox, at age 69. I don't
even know whether I'm dancing on the pedals or what...it just comes
natural, and I don't even think about it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
>
> HAVING LOOSE RUDDER PEDALS IN YOUR AIRPLANE, IS LIKE HAVING LOOSE
> STEERING IN YOUR CAR. NOT A GOOD IDEA.
>
> CLINT
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cardiac Arrest |
Michel,
Maybe you now need to take up this Norwegian flying activity.
Have you ever seen any of this in person?
Would be good training for those worried about ground loops.
http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1778399&server=vimeo.com&show_title=1&show_byline=1&show_portrait=0&color=&fullscreen=1
Les Chambers
CL-IV
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: kelanie [lesleyjovan@gmail.com]
>> If a person survives cardiac arrest, what are the mental deficits that can be
>> expected?
>>
>
> I don't know why this comes on the Kitfox list but ... yes, one can survive a
cardiac arrest with no brain damages.
>
>
>
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