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1. 01:41 AM - Re: ski pictures (Lynn Matteson)
2. 01:41 AM - Re: UHMW-PE (Lynn Matteson)
3. 02:35 AM - Re: UHMW-PE (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
4. 05:10 AM - Sale KF IV/1050 (Christoph Graf)
5. 07:29 AM - Re: UHMW-PE (Lynn Matteson)
6. 08:54 AM - Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topi (akflyer)
7. 08:59 AM - Re: UHMW-PE (R.D.(Ron) Leclerc)
8. 09:01 AM - Re: Happy Holidays (off topic) (akflyer)
9. 09:08 AM - Re: Cardiac Arrest (akflyer)
10. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Happy Holidays (off topic) (Lynn Matteson)
11. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topi (Lynn Matteson)
12. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topi (Lynn Matteson)
13. 11:24 AM - Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topic (R.D.(Ron) Leclerc)
14. 12:02 PM - Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topic (Zimmermans)
15. 01:10 PM - Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topic (Lynn Matteson)
16. 01:15 PM - Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topic (Lynn Matteson)
17. 04:59 PM - 582 RPM question. (815TL)
18. 05:30 PM - Re: 582 RPM question. (John W. Hart)
19. 07:25 PM - Re: 582 RPM question. (aerobatics@aol.com)
20. 07:38 PM - Seasons Greetings (jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com)
21. 08:00 PM - Re: water overflow bottle height (jridgway)
22. 08:26 PM - Main Jets on 582 (jridgway)
23. 09:40 PM - Re: 582 RPM question. (JC Propeller Design)
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| Subject: | Re: ski pictures |
Hi Jim-
Paul Franz mentioned.....
Ultra Poly HVOS
High Visibility Orange with Silicone added
Crosslinked for enhanced abrasion resistance and lower
coefficient of friction.
....and this really sounds exciting to me. I've sent out emails
requesting pricing and hope to hear from them on Monday. Jeez, the
fact that it comes colored orange is a plus, as my plane is orange!
Pretty puny excuse for using it but it sounds like just the ticket
for skis. If this stuff is what they say it is, I may have to abandon
the idea of plywood bottoms with carbon fiber, or fiberglass coating,
etc. My present skis are UHMW, and I just bought HDPE for a test,
knowing that the UHMW was less draggy, but the HDPE was half the
price. For a test, I didn't care what the friction coefficient was, I
just wanted to test the design.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 24, 2008, at 11:20 PM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> Hi Lynn, Can't say that I have, although perhaps I did end up with
> some without realizing it. I bought a 4'X10'X1/4" sheet from a
> local supplier. Someone else picked it up for me and although it
> seems a lot like the UHMW, it doesn't slide as well as the UHMW
> does. It did work though, I used it on 3 different pairs of skis I
> built. I really noticed how it dragged when I was takeing off from
> a lake last spring with my 220 lb son. The snow was melting and
> sticky, and I was beginning to think we weren't going to get off
> the lake, and then we had to clear a hill with tall trees. We made
> it though, but this new set of skis are 3" narrower and have the
> white UHMW and they slide better than the old ones. I put 4 more
> landings on these skis today, it was about +5 F and I flew for a
> little over an hour. Take care, Jim Chuk Avid MK IV Mn
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ski pictures
> > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:23:00 -0500
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Jim-
> > I just bought 3/16" HDPE for my temporary ski bottoms. When I've
> > proved the design, I may or may not go with the laminated ply
> bottoms.
> > The HDPE is half the cost of UHMW, but a little more friction, I'm
> > told. Have you heard of it?
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
> > Sensenich 62x46
> > flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> > system;
> > also building a new pair of snow skis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 24, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all, I suppose I should post pics of my ski design also, they
> > > are just straight skis, no wheels. I've made 6 sets like this for
> > > different planes. If anyone is interested, I would be glad to give
> > > details on their construction. Bottoms are 3/16 UHMW. Take care,
> > > and enjoy winter!! Jim Chuk Avid MK IV flying, Kitfox 4
> > > building (still) Mn
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Thanks Paul-
I just looked at those sites and emailed them for more info. The HVOS
sounds like just the ticket.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 24, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Wed, December 24, 2008 2:43 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>>
>> I think the ones that popped on my skis was due to the head being
>> pulled...like an umbrella in a windstorm. I used aluminum rivets
>> because I didn't want to use the much stronger steel, which would
>> have crushed the UHMW..
>
> There are a number of UHMW formulations. I think the one you want
> to use is called:
>
> Ultra Poly HVOS
> High Visibility Orange with Silicone added
> Crosslinked for enhances abrasion resistance and lower
> coefficient of friction.
>
> I'm not sure, but Ultra Poly HVOS might be a product name specific
> to UltraPoly Brand.
> <http://www.ultrapoly.com/Pages/pr_reference.html>
>
> I think Crown Plastics is one of the bigger manufacturers. You can
> phone them and find
> more out about the blends they've concocted.
> <http://www.crownplastics.com/FAQ.htm>
>
> I think the snoboards with the orange bottoms are the Ultra Poly
> HVOS. They are really
> slick, tough and resist abrasion from accidental rock strikes and
> gravel.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
>
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On Thu, December 25, 2008 1:41 am, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Thanks Paul-
>
> I just looked at those sites and emailed them for more info. The HVOS
> sounds like just the ticket.
You're welcome! :}}
Did you see some of the blends with epoxy? You can then bond layers to it or bond
it
to a foam core. You might ask them about bonding to the HVOS.
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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I don't think at this point that I need to or want to bond anything
to it, but I'm not done "imagineering" either. : )
Right now I'm heading out to the shop to do some tubing bending.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 25, 2008, at 5:33 AM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
>
> On Thu, December 25, 2008 1:41 am, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Paul-
>>
>> I just looked at those sites and emailed them for more info. The HVOS
>> sounds like just the ticket.
>
> You're welcome! :}}
>
> Did you see some of the blends with epoxy? You can then bond layers
> to it or bond it
> to a foam core. You might ask them about bonding to the HVOS.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz, P.E.
> PAF Consulting Engineers
> Office 425.440.9505
> Cell 425.241.1618
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off |
topi
rjdaugh wrote:
> Man, I am anxious to see the actual ski or have someone describe them or
> provide more pictures.
>
> I still think that they are made for two levels of support. I will give you
> the prop as optical illusion, but the shape of the tips of the skis says
> that they are not symmetrical. I think that that is because of the two
> levels.
>
> Randy - Assuming I am correct until proven wrong....
>
> --
The ski bottoms are NOT stepped, they are flat. I was going to get pics for you
guys yesterday, but the hangar was locked up tight and the guy is on vacation
in Hawaii.
Me thinks the pic is playing tricks on you guys lol.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221066#221066
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Holidays (off topic) |
Merry Christmas everyone! off to do a little ski flying before the outlaws show
up and trash the house again this year lol
Guy, thanks for letting a little fun slide, it (fun), for most of us, makes the
list alot better place to be!
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221069#221069
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| Subject: | Re: Cardiac Arrest |
Float Flyr wrote:
> The link wouldn't work for me.
>
> Noel
>
> --
The link worked for me, it is the guys going to Norway to fly the wing suits.
That would be about as close to heaven as I am likely to get.
That was one cool video.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221072#221072
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Holidays (off topic) |
Same here, Lenny, ski flyin' it is!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 25, 2008, at 11:59 AM, akflyer wrote:
>
> Merry Christmas everyone! off to do a little ski flying before the
> outlaws show up and trash the house again this year lol
>
> Guy, thanks for letting a little fun slide, it (fun), for most of
> us, makes the list alot better place to be!
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis
> takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221069#221069
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly |
off topi
The mind is a terrible thing to have tricks played on it.... : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 25, 2008, at 11:53 AM, akflyer wrote:
>
>
> rjdaugh wrote:
>> Man, I am anxious to see the actual ski or have someone describe
>> them or
>> provide more pictures.
>>
>> I still think that they are made for two levels of support. I
>> will give you
>> the prop as optical illusion, but the shape of the tips of the
>> skis says
>> that they are not symmetrical. I think that that is because of
>> the two
>> levels.
>>
>> Randy - Assuming I am correct until proven wrong....
>>
>> --
>
>
> The ski bottoms are NOT stepped, they are flat. I was going to get
> pics for you guys yesterday, but the hangar was locked up tight and
> the guy is on vacation in Hawaii.
> Me thinks the pic is playing tricks on you guys lol.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis
> takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221066#221066
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly |
off topi
Not to gloat, but we weren't ALL tricked by the picture, were we? : )
Two optical illusions in one picture...Houdini would have been
proud...or Ansel Adams....
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 25, 2008, at 11:53 AM, akflyer wrote:
>
>
> rjdaugh wrote:
>> Man, I am anxious to see the actual ski or have someone describe
>> them or
>> provide more pictures.
>>
>> I still think that they are made for two levels of support. I
>> will give you
>> the prop as optical illusion, but the shape of the tips of the
>> skis says
>> that they are not symmetrical. I think that that is because of
>> the two
>> levels.
>>
>> Randy - Assuming I am correct until proven wrong....
>>
>> --
>
>
> The ski bottoms are NOT stepped, they are flat. I was going to get
> pics for you guys yesterday, but the hangar was locked up tight and
> the guy is on vacation in Hawaii.
> Me thinks the pic is playing tricks on you guys lol.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis
> takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221066#221066
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off |
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off |
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If your Federal skis don't have the hole in the pedestal at an angle then
they are made for an Ercoupe. I have seen several airplanes with 2 left or 2
right skis on them. Also left and rights put on backwards. On Federals the
tag is on the low or outside side of the ski pedestal. I have a set of the
Federal 1400's on my Champ. They are shorter and wider than the old 1500's.
I have had both and like the short wide ones better.
Series 5, 0-200 under construction.
Lake Elmo MN.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly
off topic
Are you sure the axle mount is not tilted, Noel? I have an author's
write-up for mounting Federal skis A-1500A through A-2000A, and in it
is the mention:
"How many ski fliers using Federal skis know that there is a right
and a left ski? I was always under the impression that the skis were
interchangeable from side to side. This is definitely not true!"
It goes on to say (and this is written on a drawing from Federal
Instructions):
"Inspect your ski pedestals carefully to determine the left and right
ski. The high side of the pedestal cross tube is always placed on the
inside."
In looking at the drawings of the Federal skis, Noel, there is
definitely a high and a low side, just like your skis appear to have.
I'm not saying that yours do, but it might be worth looking at again.
After all, there might be some compensation for camber built into
your skis....Federal seems to have done that in the ski that these
instructions pertain to. Another caption reads:
"To compensate for the camber of the landing gear, Federal Skis are
made Left and Right. The high side of the pedestal cross tube must be
placed on the inside of the gear."
If your axle aren't tilted, it appears that the ski was built so that
a tilted axle insert could be done.
Noel: I really like the reversing inserts! That's a neat idea.
Definitely want those puppies off, when you go forward!
The whole email came into me at 170KB, Noel, and thanks for shooting
them.
****************
There was just a knock on my door and it was the UPS guy with all my
new ski material...chrome-moly, cables, shock cord, thimbles,
shackles, etc. Even got a book on operating a plane on floats and
skis. Man, I ordered that stuff (Aircraft Spruce) on Monday, and it's
here already...man, Santa Claus is a helluva guy! YEEEE-HAWWWW!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 24, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Lynn all this talk of photography is like getting a kick in the
> duff. So aI went out ant ook a few "snaps" of my skis The very
> first one has a perspective that makes the axel look tilted, its
> not. Thge reverse inserts may give you a few ideas.
>
> Picture 1. These skis are no doubt foam cored as they are quite
> stiff and weigh a lot less than the wheel and tire they replace.
>
> Picture 2. This is the picture I mentioned with the perspective
> shift on the axel.
>
> Picture 3. This angle shows the axel is straight and it also shows
> the two thin Teflon plastic runners on the bottom of the ski.
> Notice no whear bars as the skis are not to be used on bare pavement.
>
> Picture 4.Ski right side up reversing insert upside down.
>
> Picture 5.Reversing insert in place on ski. Insert is held in p
> [lace by a cmall bungee that goes through the I screw and around
> the axel. ( retainer is not in palce.
>
> Picture 6.
> Rear view of the ski with the reversing insert in place
>
> Picture 7. This angle shows why the reversing inserts should be
> removed before forward taxiing let alone flight.
>
> Picture 8. Insert in place taken bottom up from the rear.
>
> All these pictures were almost 2M in size I crop0ped and reduced
> them for E-mail
>
> What I tried to hide is except for a small drift there really isnt
> that much snow around here... Certainly not enough to think about
> landing in bogs on skis. No sign of ice this month.. I have an
> ocean of water outside my door.
>
> Re the length of the skis Longer will get you on top of the snow
> faster, as there is less frontal area to plough per sq inch of
> loading area... but they will also help keep you straight... this
> is great until you want to turn. Wider skis will give more lift on
> the snow but with the wide frontal area will be harder to get to
> lift you to the top of the snow. Wider skis wont hold your plane
> as straight as longer skis.. Its all a matter of compromise.
>
> When I was in high school I used to ski on a set of head 215
> downhill racing skis. Speed and stability were no problem...
> Turning was! Today the average ski is a lot shorter ability to do
> fast turns is increased but some of the stability especially in
> powder snow is gone.
>
> Sorry if the whole e-mail is a bit on the large size for dialup I
> think its less than MB.
>
> Three guesses how I like to fly ( the first two dont count)
>
> Merry Christmas
>
>
> Noel Loveys
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off |
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Thanks, for the photos, Ron, absolutely clear....brings back the days
of flying RC across the road on the lake when it froze over. I can
still see my Astro Hog (on skis) banking left and auguring in, as it
either got out of range, or batteries failed...RIP, ol' Hog....man,
that was a fun airplane. :)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
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On Dec 25, 2008, at 2:24 PM, R.D.(Ron) Leclerc wrote:
> You are right Lynn...
>
> There is a left and a right ski. We used to do that when we were
> building skis for our RC models. The pedestal was always higher on
> the inside and canted the ski up about 10 degrees on the outside
> edge. In the enclosed photos from my 15 lb Beaver the skis are 3"
> wide and 14" long. I used 1/8" plywood and sanded to nothing on the
> outside edge of the pedestal. Also used a 1/8" x 1/8" spruce spine
> on the bottom for directional control. My tail ski was 3" long and
> 1-1/2" wide with the 1/8 x 1/8 spine also...
>
> Hope these photos are clear enough...
>
> R.D.(Ron) Leclerc
> CH701 Plans(Scrap) Builder #7-6699
> Porsche Power Geared Redrive
> Winnipeg, MB Canada
> infow@mts.net
> 12/25/2008 1:03:34 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off |
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Interesting...thanks for the input, "Zim". This is good stuff to
know...I wonder why the Federal people didn't mark the skis left and
right. I had a Fed 1500 at home here and I cleaned off the data plate
(which was at the rear of the ski) and could not determine any L or R
designation. Maybe I didn't know what I was looking for....OR they
were for a 'coupe, like you said. ....no, these were slanted, so that
can't be.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Dec 25, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Zimmermans wrote:
>
> If your Federal skis don't have the hole in the pedestal at an
> angle then they are made for an Ercoupe. I have seen several
> airplanes with 2 left or 2 right skis on them. Also left and rights
> put on backwards. On Federals the tag is on the low or outside side
> of the ski pedestal. I have a set of the Federal 1400's on my
> Champ. They are shorter and wider than the old 1500's. I have had
> both and like the short wide ones better.
> Series 5, 0-200 under construction.
> Lake Elmo MN.
>
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| Subject: | 582 RPM question. |
Just a quick question about 582 RPMs. I ran the engine up today, keeping it lubed
up. My instructor and I plan to start flying the first or second weekend
of Jan. weather permitting.
After warm up, I ran the power up the full throttle for 30 seconds or so. The
tach. is labeled on the glass with a green and red arc sticker. It looks like
it was hand put on by the last owner. Anyway, red starts about 6200. At full
throttle, on the ground, it was making about 5800-5900. The engine ran well,
and did not hiccup at all.
I know that in cruise it will unload a little, and have a little higher RPM over
a static test, but I was just wondering if those RPMs were OK, or off the mark,
seeing that the max of the 582 is somewhere around 6800.
The setup is a 582 gray head, with dual Bing 54 carbs., C gearbox, (not sure of
ratio), and a 3 blade Warp Drive. Running about full rich, as the on EGT was
around 1150+. Cool 25*F, at 1700MSL.
Does the pitch of the prop make much of a difference in RPM?
Andrew
Kitfox II, 815TL, Rotax 582C, Warp Drive
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| Subject: | 582 RPM question. |
Yes. A prop, depending on the pitch, can produce full throttle static RPM
well below redline, regardless of the engine it is mounted on.
John Hart
KF IV, NSI Subaru
Wilburton, OK
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Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 RPM question.
Just a quick question about 582 RPMs. I ran the engine up today, keeping it
lubed up. My instructor and I plan to start flying the first or second
weekend of Jan. weather permitting.
After warm up, I ran the power up the full throttle for 30 seconds or so.
The tach. is labeled on the glass with a green and red arc sticker. It
looks like it was hand put on by the last owner. Anyway, red starts about
6200. At full throttle, on the ground, it was making about 5800-5900. The
engine ran well, and did not hiccup at all.
I know that in cruise it will unload a little, and have a little higher RPM
over a static test, but I was just wondering if those RPMs were OK, or off
the mark, seeing that the max of the 582 is somewhere around 6800.
The setup is a 582 gray head, with dual Bing 54 carbs., C gearbox, (not sure
of ratio), and a 3 blade Warp Drive. Running about full rich, as the on EGT
was around 1150+. Cool 25*F, at 1700MSL.
Does the pitch of the prop make much of a difference in RPM?
Andrew
Kitfox II, 815TL, Rotax 582C, Warp Drive
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| Subject: | 582 RPM question. |
there can be a lot of debate .... I finally had a long talk with the
folks at Lockwood and my wot at climb was 6200 and wot on ground was
about 6000 ... they said I was giving up a lot of power and in fact
harder on the engine.... they told at least 6600 wot during best rate
of climb ( 55 mph) 6800 is better. Well I took a bit of pitch out
and get 6600 or a bit more wot at 55 and it definitely better. TT on
that engine 438 hrs. IVO prop 3 blade
I think some folks think lower rpm is kinder to a 2 stroke when in fact
it may not be ..let her run like its tuned to enjoy!
Dave
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| Subject: | Seasons Greetings |
Good evening to some and morning to others. We wanted to take this
oportunity to wish everyone a Very Merry Christmas and hope that you
have a safe holiday season.
>From December 25th thru January 4th Kitfox Aircraft is closed so that we
can all spend time with our families.
The New Year is going to start off with some exciting news for our 25th
anniversary and some of it may leak here first.
Thank you for all your support and friendship.
John McBean
Kitfox Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: water overflow bottle height |
thanks all....
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| Subject: | Main Jets on 582 |
Have a quick question. I am running a EGT of about 1000 with my 165 jets that we
included with the KF3/Rotax 582 I just purchased. The previous owner also provided
a spare set of 160 mail jets. It looks likes from the Rotax documentation
that given the TEMP and ALT here this time of year the 160 should work better.
KF is a little 'piggy/running rich' now.
Question 1) Will going from a 165 to a 160 likely lean the engine out some so I
can get a little performance out of it and get closer to a 1100 EGT?
Question 2) When I remove the lower bowl what parts will drop out? 2 floats, fuel
stabilizer, float arm? Can I just them replace the 165 jets with the 160 jets
while the carb is still on the aircraft? Will I likely have to tweak the carbs?
This looks like a 1 minute job. Any potential problems/issues?
thanks..jack
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM question. |
Maybe the 6200 is real 6800 calibrated RPM!?
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: "815TL" <lawrenceaw@corning.com>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 RPM question.
>
> Just a quick question about 582 RPMs. I ran the engine up today, keeping
> it lubed up. My instructor and I plan to start flying the first or second
> weekend of Jan. weather permitting.
>
> After warm up, I ran the power up the full throttle for 30 seconds or so.
> The tach. is labeled on the glass with a green and red arc sticker. It
> looks like it was hand put on by the last owner. Anyway, red starts about
> 6200. At full throttle, on the ground, it was making about 5800-5900.
> The engine ran well, and did not hiccup at all.
>
> I know that in cruise it will unload a little, and have a little higher
> RPM over a static test, but I was just wondering if those RPMs were OK, or
> off the mark, seeing that the max of the 582 is somewhere around 6800.
>
> The setup is a 582 gray head, with dual Bing 54 carbs., C gearbox, (not
> sure of ratio), and a 3 blade Warp Drive. Running about full rich, as the
> on EGT was around 1150+. Cool 25*F, at 1700MSL.
>
> Does the pitch of the prop make much of a difference in RPM?
>
> Andrew
> Kitfox II, 815TL, Rotax 582C, Warp Drive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221137#221137
>
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