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1. 05:08 AM - Bob Brennan (Malcolm Brubaker)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License (Bob Brennan)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Cardiac Arrest (Noel Loveys)
4. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topi (Noel Loveys)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Brake Problems (patrick reilly)
6. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License (Pete Christensen)
7. 07:42 AM - Re: 582 RPM question. (Noel Loveys)
8. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: 582 RPM question. (Noel Loveys)
9. 08:10 AM - Re: Kitfox-list: List Nazis (Noel Loveys)
10. 08:11 AM - Re: Kitfox-list: List Nazis (Noel Loveys)
11. 08:43 AM - Re: Engine Mount Fabrication (patrick reilly)
12. 09:03 AM - Re: 582 RPM question. (patrick reilly)
13. 09:46 AM - Skis, who needs skis (Aaron Gustafson)
14. 10:01 AM - Re: Brake Problems (SkySteve)
15. 10:01 AM - Re: 582 RPM question. (815TL)
16. 10:33 AM - Re: 582 RPM question. (Noel Loveys)
17. 10:44 AM - Re: Skis, who needs skis (Noel Loveys)
18. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: 582 RPM question. (Noel Loveys)
19. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topi (Lynn Matteson)
20. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Brake Problems (Lowell Fitt)
21. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly off topi (Noel Loveys)
22. 02:54 PM - Re: Skis, who needs skis (Cudnohufsky's)
23. 05:02 PM - Landing gear (Lowell Fitt)
24. 05:07 PM - Re: dead stick landings (Lowell Fitt)
25. 05:09 PM - Landing gear (Lowell Fitt)
26. 05:37 PM - Re: Skis, who needs skis (Lynn Matteson)
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I would like to talk to you about your repairman ticket- roger lee was ve
ry helpful- please contact me off line- brubakermal@yahoo.com- w a ph
# I will call you-- mal- michigan
--- On Fri, 12/26/08, Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name> wrote:
From: Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License
<matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Roger,
I need to find a personal physician who knows the complete requirements of
a
class 3 airman's medical certificate then, and in my experience those are
AMEs in the first place. But I do appreciate your point. And as Guy pointed
out - does the FAA allow an AME to do a "pre-test"? I was extremely
lucky in
the UK to have a CFI who gave me a pre-GFT (General Flight Test) before a
chargeable one. He said if I pass the pre-test I wouldn't need to redo it.
I
had several pre-tests... but was only charged once.
BTW what is the point of the drop-your-shorts and turn-you-head-and-cough
part of the class 3 exam?? If I didn't have 'em I wouldn't have
become a
pilot in the first place! And is a full rectal exam (optional I was told, I
opted NOT!) really necessary to be a pilot? Again, it's obvious you have to
have one to be one...
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee
Sent: 26 December 2008 11:01 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License
<ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Hi Bob,
You are right in your statements. One way some pilots check to see if they
will fail the flight medical is to take advantage of your personal medical
insurance free physical by your personal doctor. Most insurance companies
offer one free physical per year for you and your wife. Use it. If you
pass that one ok then you can go get your PPL medical. If you know you
can't
pass then don't get the PPL medical and start flying LSA. It's not a
perfect
system, but is all we have.
You are right that if you lose your PPL medical then you would have to get
it back before going to the LSA license.
Once we get past 21 years of age it's all down hill. [Crying or Very sad]
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License |
Hi Richard,
Thanks for all the great advice, I'm sure there are others on the list that
can benefit from it as well. As summary to this discussion I think it is
imperative for us pilots to be very aware of our own medical situation and
most of all realistic about it. Second most important is to find a caring
AME and hopefully a fair FAA official to deal with, we are all different and
should be judged by our true condition, which takes time and effort on their
part to understand, rather than the sum of the checkboxes on an FAA form.
Which is the main reason for my post - to make sure we are all aware of the
consequences of failing an FAA medical exam.
For my own part - no I do not self-medicate with aspirin, I only used it for
one week in order to quickly reduce my blood pressure for a doctor's visit.
I have hereditary high blood pressure but keep it in check with good diet
and exercise, I am loathe to fall back on prescribed meds. Aspirin is a
blood thinner, it was prescribed to my mother for many years and it does
work when taken in moderation. My elevated level was temporary due to
extreme stress which is why I don't feel I "cheated" to lower my level
artificially in order to gain access to the gym where I could lower it
properly.
To bring it back on topic - it seems we also need to be cautious and even
sometimes devious to get around these silly rules, and don't assume that
being honest on a form will trigger a "please explain in more detail"
response and a careful review of the circumstances. Cynical? Maybe, but
practical under the circumstances I believe.
Also - yes I am a member of AOPA and the EAA and have been pleased with the
help I have received. The problem is in knowing in advance what advice to
seek, in all cases so far I have gone to them because I tried first to deal
with the FAA and was rejected for reasons I hadn't anticipated, then AOPA or
the EAA will step in to try to get somebody's attention to correct what
should never have been a problem in the first place. Now I try to educate
myself in advance and avoid the many pitfalls, and share that experience
where possible, as many on this list do on a regular basis. A smart man
learns from his mistakes, a wise man learns from the mistakes of others and
avoids making the mistakes in the first place!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weiss Richard
Sent: 26 December 2008 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License
Bob,
As a GA and airline pilot, I've had a special issuance (1st class) for over
20 years and high blood pressure to boot. The FAA has made it very easy for
a pilot to get BP meds because they realized guys were avoiding medical
treatment of this disease out of fear of losing their certificate. The
consequences of not taking the meds were too dangerous. Almost any BP med
is now on the FAA approved list. They only ask for a pilot to ascertain any
side effects and ensure they don't affect flying. (By the way, the same
goes for sleep apnea. It's not that difficult to regain certification, just
$$, don't ask how I know this:-)
I understand the salt, fat reduction, and the exercise regimen you
discussed, and that's great, but I've never heard any doctor recommend
aspirin 3 times a day to reduce BP. The side effects of aspirin are
serious; internal bleeding, gastric disorders, etc. I hope you're not still
doing that.
As for Sport Pilot, the feds were backed into a corner. Sport Pilot was
supported by the industry and touted by the FAA as a cost reduction to get
more people into flying, not as means for us old guys to skirt medical
certification conditions. Thus, if you know you have a disqualifying
condition, and the FAA doesn't, what can they do? However, once they know,
what can they do? Now you and they both know your condition and they
can't legally, turn their back to it, as the rule is currently written.
Also. it's not likely the rule will change due to the time, cost, and other
problems involved in fixing it. It's sad it can't be fixed, but it is what
it is.
I would recommend establishing a good relationship with your AME and get a
physical by him or her in advance,maybe 'within minutes':-) of the flight
physical. If you pass fine, if it doesn't, stop there. If the problem is
such that immediate action is required then so be it. Better to live and
not fly. Go get healed, come back and try again. The relationship 'thing'
can't be overemphasized. Most AME's want you to fly and come back
frequently for more flight physicals. They also want you to be safe. Most
will always work with you, if not, FIRE him and go find another.
If you're a member, you can always call the EAA board of medical advisors
with your questions. They will give you an unbiased answer and you can do
this without fear of repercussion. The same is true for AOPA. Use these
folks, as they are there for you. Heck, your dues are paying for this
service.
Just my two cents.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL )
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Dec 26, 2008, at 10:55 AM, Bob Brennan wrote:
So I cut out all salt and fat, took
aspirin 3 times a day for a week, and went to my doctor to get a certified
reading within their limits.
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| Subject: | Re: Cardiac Arrest |
I think the problem was in the Internet explorer... It opened fine with
Fire fox. Might have known it would take a fox to see that one!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cardiac Arrest
Float Flyr wrote:
> The link wouldn't work for me.
>
> Noel
>
> --
The link worked for me, it is the guys going to Norway to fly the wing
suits. That would be about as close to heaven as I am likely to get.
That was one cool video.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly |
off topi
Funny you mention Ansel Adams... Wasn't he the one who developed zone IV
and using longer lenses to try to get absloutly true representations :-)
Me I love to lie with the camera.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow"
problem...partly off topi
Not to gloat, but we weren't ALL tricked by the picture, were we? : )
Two optical illusions in one picture...Houdini would have been
proud...or Ansel Adams....
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 25, 2008, at 11:53 AM, akflyer wrote:
>
>
> rjdaugh wrote:
>> Man, I am anxious to see the actual ski or have someone describe
>> them or
>> provide more pictures.
>>
>> I still think that they are made for two levels of support. I
>> will give you
>> the prop as optical illusion, but the shape of the tips of the
>> skis says
>> that they are not symmetrical. I think that that is because of
>> the two
>> levels.
>>
>> Randy - Assuming I am correct until proven wrong....
>>
>> --
>
>
> The ski bottoms are NOT stepped, they are flat. I was going to get
> pics for you guys yesterday, but the hangar was locked up tight and
> the guy is on vacation in Hawaii.
> Me thinks the pic is playing tricks on you guys lol.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis
> takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221066#221066
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Problems |
What "Funny lock up problem"? And what about using a GRAY ALUMINUM looking
one and a GOLD ANODIZED one?
Pat REilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake Problems> From: jridgway@ac
ademicplanet.com> Date: Fri=2C 26 Dec 2008 23:45:39 -0800> To: kitfox-list@
ademicplanet.com>> > Their was a funny hydraulic 'lock up' problem when you
used dual MATCO brakes. Make sure you do not have the old GRAY IRON lookin
g kind. This problem was fixed with the newer GOLD ANODIZED version.> > > >
> Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.ph
===> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License |
My first physical after I moved to Hell Paso, TX in the late 70's was an in
teresting experience.- I was told to go to Dr.XYZ because he never failed
anyone.- Since I was new to the area I did.- The office was in a house
and when I walked up to the receptionist desk and stated that I was there
for an FAA physical I heard a parot in the next room say, "I'm here for an
FAA physical."- Shortly thereafter I was led into the "parot" room and th
e only one in there was the Dr.- "Oops."- He checked me over and said I
had high blood pressure and gave me some blood pressure pills and told me
not to tell anyone.- I passed.-
I was not diagnosed with high blood pressure again until 2002 but did not t
ake another FAA physical until 2007.- I was totally honest on the paperwo
rk and checked that I was taking high blood pressure medicine and that I ha
ve glaucoma.- The physician had me get some more paperwork from my Dr's a
nd sent it in to the FAA.- They sent me back- some more paperwork to ta
ke to my Dr's.- I got a letter that I'm on some sort of probation for 6 y
ears essentially saying that I have to jump through hoops every physical.
- Well, I guess I'll just fly light sport from now on and avoid the hassl
e.
Pete
Kitfox III 912
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| Subject: | 582 RPM question. |
I'm not an expert on this but I will pass along what a Rotax repair centre
suggested to me.
On wheels or skis for a Kitfox tie the tail down (static) and set your prop
pitch for 6200 rpm this will give you lots of power for takeoff and good
cruise ability.
On floats set your static rpm at 6400. This will give you a full 6800 rpm
in the lift off and initial climb. Cruise speed will drop some but remember
you are dragging floats so there is no way it will be as fast.
I actually installed an IVO IFA on my plane. We don't have Sport here in
Canada so the IFA is a non issue here. I set my pitch for 6800 in the climb
before landing so the prop was ready for a go around as well as my next take
off. Before levelling off I would reset my prop to 6600 in the climb and
leave it there for my entire cruise. Of course I also made adjustments in
the throttle so after setting my prop for cruise I'd throttle back to around
5800 rpm.
Because the two stroke engine can run very lean when the prop is unloaded
and the carbs will make the engine run rich while idling I don't do long
descents. I pull the throttle right back to the idle to descend I run the
engine at cruise rpm under load every 45 seconds or so just to keep the rad
from cooling down too much. This means my descents are sort of like steps
down from the sky.
Noel Loveys
AME Intern, RPP
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 floats
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
aerobatics@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 RPM question.
there can be a lot of debate .... I finally had a long talk with the
folks at Lockwood and my wot at climb was 6200 and wot on ground was
about 6000 ... they said I was giving up a lot of power and in fact
harder on the engine.... they told at least 6600 wot during best rate
of climb ( 55 mph) 6800 is better. Well I took a bit of pitch out
and get 6600 or a bit more wot at 55 and it definitely better. TT on
that engine 438 hrs. IVO prop 3 blade
I think some folks think lower rpm is kinder to a 2 stroke when in fact
it may not be ..let her run like its tuned to enjoy!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM question. |
Get a Tiny Tach for two stroke. No moving parts and very accurate... The
tach (Kitfox) that came on my plane was reading 20% high across the full
arc! It's a wonder I was able to drag the plane into the air on floats.
3000 feet was my maximum altitude. The one saving grace of the old tach was
the prop was a wooden one over ten years time-exed. I'm pretty sure if I
tried to run that old prop at full rpm I would have had a departure.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 815TL
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 9:47 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 RPM question.
Thank you guys. It could be that the tach. is off. Is there a way to test
it, and calibrate it. I know that as of October that the plane was flying
well, as that is the last time that Larry Huntley flew it. Nothing has
really changed motor wise since then, except for repair of the starter.
Andrew
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| Subject: | Kitfox-list: List Nazis |
Funny thing... I thought you were referring to yourself J
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox-list: List Nazis
All,
Deke, one
of the original moderators, thought some of you might have thought I
categorized him as a "List Nazi" in my "Happy
Holidays" post. Nope, I was only referring to Mike and I, in our
current administration. Deke is not, and never was, a "List
Nazi".
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan - Kitfox List ModeratorSan Diego, CA
K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar
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| Subject: | Kitfox-list: List Nazis |
I'll second that motion.... especially the raise and the nog!
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weiss Richard
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox-list: List Nazis
Guy,
You're running one of the best lists ever. The last thing you (or Mike)
are, are list nazi's. It's time to chill out and have a double enhanced
eggnog shooter:-)
It's been great, having you do, what you do, so well. (Time to break into
song here.) No apologies necessary - in fact give yourselves a 100% raise.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Dec 26, 2008, at 10:14 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
All,
Deke, one
of the original moderators, thought some of you might have thought I
categorized him as a "List Nazi" in my "Happy
Holidays" post. Nope, I was only referring to Mike and I, in our
current administration. Deke is not, and never was, a "List
Nazi".
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan - Kitfox List ModeratorSan Diego, CA
K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
100% and flying thanks mostly to Bob Ducar
matronics.com/contribution
tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
cs.com
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| Subject: | Engine Mount Fabrication |
Bradley=2C Would you mind elaborating on your method of joining tubing with
out "fishmouthing" ( I assume that is the samething as tube notching).
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL> From: bmwebb@cox.net> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subjec
t: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine Mount Fabrication> Date: Fri=2C 26 Dec 2008 22:2
.net>> > Hey Lowell=2C> When I mounted my Geo to the M2=2C I went and bough
t a laser level from Home> Depot. I can't imagine doing this without this m
agical tool.> > Basically=2C I mounted the engine with 2 degrees right thru
st and 2 down. This> works very well in flight.> > The vertical down thrust
is easy - put a magnetic degree level on the prop> flange. I hung my engin
e from an engine hoist=2C and adjusted the straps to> get it tilted down.>
> The horizontal right thrust is harder=2C in that it requires public math.
Se> here: http://www.gsal.org/tools/offset_calc.htm> > This calculator wil
l tell you how far LEFT to move the back of the engine to> get the prop fla
nge centered with right thrust. It's just basic trig=2C but> the web app is
easier for those of us who slept through high school.> > Once set=2C build
up your mount webing=2C and tack weld as you go. Actually=2C the> hardest
part was checking the alignment 10=2C000 times as I was going. The> laser l
evel is pure magic for this. I found a way to build up the mount> without h
aving to fishmouth the tubing. This saved tons of time=2C and is> holding u
p very well in use. In fact=2C I dare say my method of joining tubes> is st
ronger.> > Basically=2C Just hang the engine where you want it=2C and start
fitting up> tubing=2C one piece at a time.> > I hope this answers your que
stion=2C> Bradley> > > -----Original Message-----> > From: owner-kitfox-lis
t-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-> > server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt> > Sent: Friday=2C December 26=2C 2008 1:36 PM> >
bal.net>> > > > A little change of pace here.> > > > For those who have put
alternative engines in their Kitfoxes or other> > airplanes=2C I am curiou
s about the techniques for fabricating the engine> > mount. I know there ar
e thrust offset angles etc. but how do you convert> > this into an actual e
ngine mount.? I am thinking of a mount for a Rotax> > 912> > to a Model IV
Kitfox that will allow a more desirable location for the oil> > tank.> > >
> I'd appreciate any help.> > > > Lowell Fitt> > Cameron Park=2C CA> > Mode
l IV-1200 R-912 UL> > Currently focusing on the Cockpit controlled rudder t
=> > >
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| Subject: | 582 RPM question. |
Noel=2C Did you ever consider shutters on the radiator=2C like Lowell Fitts
sells=2C to keep your water temp up durning decent? I bought a set from hi
m. I had to get extra parts=2C my radiator is larger than the original stoc
k one=2C and modify mine to fit. I can't comment on how they work on decent
at idle yet=2C but plenty of others have his shutters on their plane and c
an tell us.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
> From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Ki
tfox-List: 582 RPM question.> Date: Sat=2C 27 Dec 2008 12:12:02 -0330> > --
not an expert on this but I will pass along what a Rotax repair centre> su
ggested to me.> > On wheels or skis for a Kitfox tie the tail down (static)
and set your prop> pitch for 6200 rpm this will give you lots of power for
takeoff and good> cruise ability.> On floats set your static rpm at 6400.
This will give you a full 6800 rpm> in the lift off and initial climb. Crui
se speed will drop some but remember> you are dragging floats so there is n
o way it will be as fast.> > I actually installed an IVO IFA on my plane. W
e don't have Sport here in> Canada so the IFA is a non issue here. I set my
pitch for 6800 in the climb> before landing so the prop was ready for a go
around as well as my next take> off. Before levelling off I would reset my
prop to 6600 in the climb and> leave it there for my entire cruise. Of cou
rse I also made adjustments in> the throttle so after setting my prop for c
ruise I'd throttle back to around> 5800 rpm.> > Because the two stroke engi
ne can run very lean when the prop is unloaded> and the carbs will make the
engine run rich while idling I don't do long> descents. I pull the throttl
e right back to the idle to descend I run the> engine at cruise rpm under l
oad every 45 seconds or so just to keep the rad> from cooling down too much
. This means my descents are sort of like steps> down from the sky. > > > N
oel Loveys> AME Intern=2C RPP> Kitfox III-A> Aerocet 1100 floats> > > > ---
--Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> [mai
lto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of> aerobatics@aol.co
m> Sent: Thursday=2C December 25=2C 2008 11:54 PM> To: kitfox-list@matronic
s.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 RPM question.> > --> Kitfox-List messa
ge posted by: aerobatics@aol.com> > there can be a lot of debate .... I fin
ally had a long talk with the > folks at Lockwood and my wot at climb was 6
200 and wot on ground was > about 6000 ... they said I was giving up a lot
of power and in fact > harder on the engine.... they told at least 6600 wot
during best rate > of climb ( 55 mph) 6800 is better. Well I took a bit of
pitch out > and get 6600 or a bit more wot at 55 and it definitely better.
TT on > that engine 438 hrs. IVO prop 3 blade> > I think some folks think
lower rpm is kinder to a 2 stroke when in fact > it may not be ..let her ru
=====> > >
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| Subject: | Skis, who needs skis |
A picture from a couple years ago on the lake
http://www.eaa439.org/photos/index.htm
Aaron Gustafson I did have skis also
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Problems |
I do have the gold anodized ones. They are still not right, but I have learned
to deal with them. I must hold the left brake while depressing the right brake
or I do not get braking action on the right brake.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM question. |
Thanks again everyone for all the info. It sounds like the Tiny Tach is the way
to go, and they are fairly inexpensive. Should I just remove the old tach and
put this in place, or run both? Are they accurate enough to, just run it alone?
First few flights, I will probably just leave it as is, and see how everything
goes, then move on to the Tiny Tach and adjusting the prop pirch.
Andrew
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| Subject: | 582 RPM question. |
I considered something similar.. Building a scoop with a shutter/bypass on
it.
So far over cooling hasn't been a problem... neither has overheating. I'm
in the process now of installing a 912 in the plane and I'm planning on
using the same radiator and if necessary I'll be adding the scoop.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 RPM question.
Noel, Did you ever consider shutters on the radiator, like Lowell Fitts
sells, to keep your water temp up durning decent? I bought a set from him. I
had to get extra parts, my radiator is larger than the original stock one,
and modify mine to fit. I can't comment on how they work on decent at idle
yet, but plenty of others have his shutters on their plane and can tell us.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
> From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 RPM question.
> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:12:02 -0330
>
>
> I'm not an expert on this but I will pass along what a Rotax repair centre
> suggested to me.
>
> On wheels or skis for a Kitfox tie the tail down (static) and set your
prop
> pitch for 6200 rpm this will give you lots of power for takeoff and good
> cruise ability.
> On floats set your static rpm at 6400. This will give you a full 6800 rpm
> in the lift off and initial climb. Cruise speed will drop some but
remember
> you are dragging floats so there is no way it will be as fast.
>
> I actually installed an IVO IFA on my plane. We don't have Sport here in
> Canada so the IFA is a non issue here. I set my pitch for 6800 in the
climb
> before landing so the prop was ready for a go around as well as my next
take
> off. Before levelling off I would reset my prop to 6600 in the climb and
> leave it there for my entire cruise. Of course I also made adjustments in
> the throttle so after setting my prop for cruise I'd throttle back to
around
> 5800 rpm.
>
> Because the two stroke engine can run very lean when the prop is unloaded
> and the carbs will make the engine run rich while idling I don't do long
> descents. I pull the throttle right back to the idle to descend I run the
> engine at cruise rpm under load every 45 seconds or so just to keep the
rad
> from cooling down too much. This means my descents are sort of like steps
> down from the sky.
>
>
> Noel Loveys
> AME Intern, RPP
> Kitfox III-A
> Aerocet 1100 floats
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> aerobatics@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 11:54 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 RPM question.
>
>
> there can be a lot of debate .... I finally had a long talk with the
> folks at Lockwood and my wot at climb was 6200 and wot on ground was
> about 6000 ... they said I was giving up a lot of power and in fact
> harder on the engine.... they told at least 6600 wot during best rate
> of climb ( 55 mph) 6800 is better. Well I took a bit of pitch out
> and get 6600 or a bit more wot at 55 and it definitely better. TT on
> that engine 438 hrs. IVO prop 3 blade
>
> I think some folks think lower rpm is kinder to a 2 stroke when in fact
> it may not be ..let her run like its tuned to enjoy!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>=====================
>==
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Skis, who needs skis |
Silly que4stion but did any one actually drill that ice to check how thick
it was?? How thick was it?/ It looks pretty black/thin to me.
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gustafson
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skis, who needs skis
A picture from a couple years ago on the lake
http://www.eaa439.org/photos/index.htm
Aaron Gustafson I did have skis also
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM question. |
This is just my personal preference but I run both...
There is a reason for that. The digital gives a very accurate reading of the
rpm at a point in time but you have to follow the numbers to establish a
trend like is the engine speeding up slightly or slowing down slightly...
The analog. original tach. reads the trends very well so I use it for that
and just ignore the numbers on the face. The very best would be a digital
tach with a line representing trend like a lot of cars have in thier digital
dashboards.
A word of advice; when you wrap the spark plug leads for the Tiny Tach, be
sure to wrap both plug leads for one cylinder so the tach will still work
when you do your mag tests.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 815TL
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 2:31 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 RPM question.
Thanks again everyone for all the info. It sounds like the Tiny Tach is the
way to go, and they are fairly inexpensive. Should I just remove the old
tach and put this in place, or run both? Are they accurate enough to, just
run it alone?
First few flights, I will probably just leave it as is, and see how
everything goes, then move on to the Tiny Tach and adjusting the prop pirch.
Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly |
off topi
Yup...pretty sure he developed (no pun) the Zone System, but not sure
about the longer lens thing. He was big on large format...4x5, 8x10,
etc., and maybe even 11x16.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:10 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Funny you mention Ansel Adams... Wasn't he the one who developed
> zone IV
> and using longer lenses to try to get absloutly true
> representations :-)
>
> Me I love to lie with the camera.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 2:08 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow"
> problem...partly off topi
>
>
> Not to gloat, but we weren't ALL tricked by the picture, were we? : )
> Two optical illusions in one picture...Houdini would have been
> proud...or Ansel Adams....
>
> Lynn Matteson
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Problems |
Pat,
In the early days the Matco brakes - if passenger and pilot brakes were both
installed - would lock up if the passenger touched his brakes at the same
time the pilot applied the brakes. It would require exiting the airplane
and bleeding off a bit of pressure at the bleed nipple on the caliper. Big
bother. It was one of the reasons I never had passenger side brakes. It
did become a slight issue a couple of times as my airplane was loaned for
checkrides and the check pilot found himself with no brakes on his side.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "patrick reilly" <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake Problems
What "Funny lock up problem"? And what about using a GRAY ALUMINUM looking
one and a GOLD ANODIZED one?
Pat REilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake Problems> From:
jridgway@academicplanet.com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:45:39 -0800> To:
<jridgway@academicplanet.com>> > Their was a funny hydraulic 'lock up'
problem when you used dual MATCO brakes. Make sure you do not have the old
GRAY IRON looking kind. This problem was fixed with the newer GOLD ANODIZED
version.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> >
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.ph===> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow" problem...partly |
off topi
Part of using the technical camera was to eliminate perspective problems.
Pun intended :-)
Being a proud Canuk I'm supposed to support Freeman Patterson as greatest
scenic photographer ever. Addams is awesome though and in B&W he's miles
ahead of everyone. Except for national pride he'd get my vote.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow"
problem...partly off topi
Yup...pretty sure he developed (no pun) the Zone System, but not sure
about the longer lens thing. He was big on large format...4x5, 8x10,
etc., and maybe even 11x16.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:10 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Funny you mention Ansel Adams... Wasn't he the one who developed
> zone IV
> and using longer lenses to try to get absloutly true
> representations :-)
>
> Me I love to lie with the camera.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 2:08 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Skis - Solve the "Wide or Narrow"
> problem...partly off topi
>
>
> Not to gloat, but we weren't ALL tricked by the picture, were we? : )
> Two optical illusions in one picture...Houdini would have been
> proud...or Ansel Adams....
>
> Lynn Matteson
>
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| Subject: | Skis, who needs skis |
Noel,
I can answer that question for Aaron, I was the guy flying the Kitfox, Aaron
was in the Yellow and Blue Kolb and our friend Scott was in the White Kolb.
We did not have to drill the ice, it was over a foot thick with trucks and
fishing shacks already on it, that year we had hardly any snow just cold up
until then. Landing was a new experience because the ice was as slick as it
looks.
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912ul IFA
Northern Michigan
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis, who needs skis
Silly que4stion but did any one actually drill that ice to check how thick
it was?? How thick was it?/ It looks pretty black/thin to me.
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gustafson
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skis, who needs skis
A picture from a couple years ago on the lake
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Dick,
I have finished the gear, but have not yet welded on the fairing tabs. I
mounted them on my fuselage for the purpose of checking wheel alignment.
Together they check in a fraction of a degree toed out which is what we
wanted.
I wanted to run something else past you before I do and I hesitate doing it.
The gear assembly bare naked will be priced just a tad under John McBeans,
somewhere in the high $1,300 to low $1,400 range. There is a lot of work
with the tabs and fairings. We are planning on a $250 add on for that.
Would you be willing to split the difference - $125 for the tabs and fairing
materials in addion to the $1,000 for the gear? I will hold off starting
the welding until I hear from you.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <Catz631@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:47 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine out in experimental aircraft
> Lowell if you decide to make a spreadsheet for experimentals( other
> aircraft
> not included) you can count me in for two engine failures. One was in a
> "Der
> Jaeger"(biplane) that one I put back on the runway with no damage. The
> other
> was a Pitts which I ended up putting upside down in a field (it was
> destroyed)
> Both happened on take off.
> Dick Maddux
> Fox 4
> Pensacola ,Fl
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> easy
> steps!
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>
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| Subject: | Re: dead stick landings |
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:16 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: dead stick landings
my 2 cents,
surely dont want to offend anyone but here is my 2 cents worth. i
definitely support the practice of engine out conditions and landings with
the engine at idle. in my mind the practice of picking out the landing spot
and managing altitude is the critical part of a successful emergency
landing. the actual touchdown we all practice at least once for each take
off. it seems that the major selling point of the engine off advocates is
that the airplane handles differently. it sinks a little less i have read.
that being the case it still isn't logical in my mind to practice engine out
conditions with engine at idle solo and with 1/4 tanks rather than at gross
wt. because the former performs better.
the long and short of this is that the engine may not restart and you may
have put yourself in an emergency.
a quick story that has nothing to do with anything.... a friend who is
a cfi with 6000 hrs instructing used to practice minimum controllable
airspeed with the critical engine out in twins with his students. the
exercise was over when the airspeed dropped to a point where the airplane
started to yaw and controls lost effectiveness. one day a little turbulence
hit the plane at the end of the exercise. the airplane was instantly
inverted and in a steep dive. he is still my friend so obviously recovered .
he doesnt take that exercise quite as far since that happened. he doesnt
think the benefit is worth the risk
i have never had an engine quit in flight but i sure have had then not
start when i wanted them to.
bob noffs
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To the list. My face is red and I am sorry for the previous post. It was
to have gone to Dick off list.
Sorry.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Skis, who needs skis |
I can relate to slick ice....the first year I moved back to Michigan,
we had a really fast freeze, and the ice was absolutely clear except
for a few bubbles and some cracks that let you determine its
thickness...about 4". I got my skates on and was tentatively skating
around, and it was the weirdest feeling I've ever had...the brain
reacted to the vision of ice so clear that the feeling was that you
were walking/skating on water. My brain said this isn't possible, and
it told me to get the hell out of there. It took a while to overcome
this feeling. You could see bottles, cans, leaves, an old tire, all
the stuff that is always there, but crystal clear...not as seen in
the summer through the murk. For over 40 years I've skated on
artificial ice, and that is always translucent. That's why this was
such a mind boggler.
Who said old guys always need to tell stories? : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Dec 27, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
> Noel,
>
> I can answer that question for Aaron, I was the guy flying the
> Kitfox, Aaron was in the Yellow and Blue Kolb and our friend Scott
> was in the White Kolb. We did not have to drill the ice, it was
> over a foot thick with trucks and fishing shacks already on it,
> that year we had hardly any snow just cold up until then. Landing
> was a new experience because the ice was as slick as it looks.
>
>
> Lloyd Cudnohufsky
>
> Model 5 912ul IFA
>
> Northern Michigan
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 12:42 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skis, who needs skis
>
>
> Silly que4stion but did any one actually drill that ice to check
> how thick it was?? How thick was it?/ It looks pretty black/thin
> to me.
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gustafson
> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 2:15 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Skis, who needs skis
>
>
> A picture from a couple years ago on the lake
>
>
> http://www.eaa439.org/photos/index.htm
>
>
> Aaron Gustafson I did have skis also
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/
> Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums.matronics.com http://
> www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?
> Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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