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1. 02:03 AM - Re: First Flight - finally (Lynn Matteson)
2. 02:19 AM - Re: First Flight - finally (Lynn Matteson)
3. 06:02 AM - Tail wheel spring (Weiss Richard)
4. 08:02 AM - Re: First Flight - finally (Lowell Fitt)
5. 08:57 AM - Re: Converting a Series 5 Vixen to tail dragger (earnestj0)
6. 04:01 PM - 582 Exhaust wrap (Pat Reilly)
7. 04:15 PM - Re: 582 Exhaust wrap (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
8. 04:35 PM - Re: 582 Exhaust wrap (patrick reilly)
9. 04:42 PM - Re: 582 Exhaust wrap (Roger Lee)
10. 04:47 PM - Re: First Flight - finally (Michael Logan)
11. 04:49 PM - Re: 582 Exhaust wrap (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
12. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: 582 Exhaust wrap (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
13. 04:54 PM - Re: 582 Exhaust wrap (Michael Logan)
14. 06:38 PM - Re: 582 Exhaust wrap (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
15. 07:05 PM - Re: First Flight - finally (Weiss Richard)
16. 07:06 PM - Re: First Flight - finally (Weiss Richard)
17. 07:21 PM - Trailering a Kitfox (John Allen)
18. 07:24 PM - Re: First Flight - finally (Cudnohufsky's)
19. 08:32 PM - Re: Re: 582 Exhaust wrap (patrick reilly)
20. 09:29 PM - Re: Re: 582 Exhaust wrap (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - finally |
Good show, Rick.....I'd have been through 3 wives/girlfriends in that
amount of time. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
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On Jan 4, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Weiss Richard wrote:
> All,
>
> Well, today was as near perfect as it gets. Winds calm,
> temperature about 70 (sorry about that to everyone north of Daytona
> Beach), sky was high thin for the most part, so I decided, after 14
> years and 9 months of building time, it was time to get this bird
> in the air. After reading about everyone's first flight posts, I
> guess I was the only guy to ever be nervous flying their machine
> for the first time. Like everyone here knows, the ground roll was
> quick and short. The liftoff smooth and wow, this airplane flies
> great. I would like to tell you how fast I was going, but my
> airspeed indicator never worked (along with a few other minor
> things). It made for a few interesting moments, but attitude
> flying worked good, until the condensation on my windscreen made
> everything ahead invisible. Fortunately the side windows stayed
> clear. The windscreen cleared up after about a minute. I leveled
> at 1000 feet and did some turns, slow flight, and played for about
> 10 more minutes then headed back for a landing. It all went smooth
> considering I held used half flaps (11 degrees) and extra speed,
> just to be on the safe side. I would like to say it was a perfect
> landing, but it did a small 'skip' before rolling to turnoff
> speed. That had to be the best half hour of flying fun in a long
> time.
>
> Thanks to everyone on this list for all of your help over all these
> years. I hope I can pay it forward some time. There are a lot of
> others to thank for all their help and they know who they are.
> However, I want to especially thank my former girlfriend, now wife,
> for all 14 years and 9 months of patience and support. She is the
> greatest!!!!
>
> Rick Weiss
> N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
> SkyStar S/N 1
> Port Orange, FL
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - finally |
You won't regret getting the 3-leaf spring from John, Gary.
Man, this litigious society we have "developed" really pisses me
off! I only tell potential suppliers of stuff for my plane that it's
for a plane as a last resort, and then usually when they've all but
told me that they don't have the part, material, whatever. Sometimes
I'm surprised when they say "Have you tried...such and such?"
When buying material for my ski bottoms, and the supplier wrings the
information out of me, some of 'em say, "oh that doesn't bother me"
but most will run to hide behind the skirts of their lawyers.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
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On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:02 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> I'm a bit disillusioned at the moment as after breaking a leaf in
> my tail spring I have wasted hours trying to source a replacement
> in Australia or getting one manufactured. As soon as the local
> spring manufacturer saw it they recognized it as being off a
> plane and refuse to make one for me!
>
> John at Kitfox LLC is going to send one to me but the freight will
> probably end up costing me more than the price of the spring itself
> and I am still going to be grounded for the next week.
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 Jab 2200
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| Subject: | Tail wheel spring |
On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:02 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
> John at Kitfox LLC is going to send one to me but the freight will
> probably end up costing me more than the price of the spring itself
> and I am still going to be grounded for the next week.
Gary,
I'm guessing that this the best way to go. The overall cost may be a
better bargain than experimenting on heat treating and having another
spring break. I know about the freight charges. My overflow
container was $33 and the overnight FedEx charge was $47. Go figure.
I'm sure being over seas will make the charges really high, but your
choices seem limited. Don't be too down - it's only money:-)
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - finally |
Rick,
Thanks for the update and congratulations. The airplane looks nice. Hope to
be joining you soon.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Currently focusing on the Left Wing cover soon.
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight - finally
Thanks for the info on your plane Richard. I always enjoy hearing about
first flights and seeing how people set up their planes.
Your plane looks and sounds great.
I'm a bit disillusioned at the moment as after breaking a leaf in my tail
spring I have wasted hours trying to source a replacement in Australia or
getting one manufactured. As soon as the local spring manufacturer saw it
they recognized it as being off a plane and refuse to make one for me!
John at Kitfox LLC is going to send one to me but the freight will
probably end up costing me more than the price of the spring itself and I
am still going to be grounded for the next week.
I found a supplier who will sell me the material (SUP 9) - 6 Mtr for $20 -
but I am at a bit of a loss as to whether it has to be heat-treated after
its bent. I have experimented before with hardening steel at home and it
either comes out like putty, or glass.......
The joys of experimental flying and I swear I never landed
hard.....................................
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Converting a Series 5 Vixen to tail dragger |
I don't know of any one that has done that, but would be interested in the conversion
myself. I intend on flying into the back country this summer with my Vixen,
but some of the strips in Idaho are not good for the smaller wheels. I
do know that John McBean has flown into much of the backcountry with a tri gear
and said it worked well.
Ted Jacques
McCall Idaho
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| Subject: | 582 Exhaust wrap |
Kitfoxers, I know I have seen the pros and cons of wrapping the exhaust
with fiber glass exhaust insulating tape to reduce engine compartment
temps. But, I wanted to hear from someone with personal experience pro
or con that wrapped an exhaust on a 582. I have wrapped the down pipe
and am considering blanketing the muffler also. I have used the fiber
glass tape wrap on a street rod with good result.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Exhaust wrap |
One thing you should consider is that the exhaust system on a two stroke
engine also serves as a conductor to radiate heat away from the engine
block. Sometimes restricting the heat can lead to additional problems.
I have seen a large number of 582 installations in Kitfox aircrafts
(including my last plane) and the engine compartment heat generated by the
exhaust was never a real problem
Regards
Gary
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Kitfoxers, I know I have seen the pros and cons of wrapping the exhaust
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con that wrapped an exhaust on a 582. I have wrapped the down pipe and am
considering blanketing the muffler also. I have used the fiber glass tape
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| Subject: | 582 Exhaust wrap |
Gary=2C OK thanks for info. My heater hoses run within a couple inches of t
he down pipe and muffler. I hope there is enough space between them and the
muffler.Pat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL
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u should consider is that the exhaust system on a two stroke engine also se
rves as a conductor to radiate heat away from the engine block. Sometimes r
estricting the heat can lead to additional problems. I have seen a large nu
mber of 582 installations in Kitfox aircrafts (including my last plane) and
the engine compartment heat generated by the exhaust was never a real prob
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Exhaust wrap |
Hi Pat,
I have a Flight Design CTSW. I have a 912ULS. I have a wrapped exhaust and so do
quite a few other CT owners and it is fleet approved. My exhaust have been wrapped
for 250 hrs. I wrapped my exhaust from the exhaust port down to the top
of the muffler. It covers the knuckle just above the muffler. This helps keep
any blow-by exhaust from blowing where I don't want it if it leaks and it keeps
the radiated heat off any wires or hoses. It cuts down on the internal cowling
temps to all the parts and when I pull the cowling off after a flight I can
put my hand on the exhaust and not get burned. Proper tension on the exhaust
springs is a must and really helps here. Our exhaust system is stainless steel
and carbonization from higher temps is not the same problem as it is with just
plain steel exhaust pipes. One thing to remember is not to over do the wrap.
You only over lap the edges by about 3/8"-1/2" with the 2" wide wrap.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | First Flight - finally |
It is about time Rick, especially since you have serial number one. I could
have sworn you had a nose dragger, did you change it?
Congratulations on the nice flight and hope you have many more to come.
Why don't you fly back north to Dogwood Airpark and convince my wife of how
nice it is at your airpark in the land of warmth in the winter. I had to
insulate the hangar just to make it tolerable in the winter time. Growing
up in Georgia, I like the heat a lot better than the cold.
Mike Logan
Series 5
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Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight - finally
All,
Well, today was as near perfect as it gets. Winds calm, temperature about
70 (sorry about that to everyone north of Daytona Beach), sky was high thin
for the most part, so I decided, after 14 years and 9 months of building
time, it was time to get this bird in the air. After reading about
everyone's first flight posts, I guess I was the only guy to ever be nervous
flying their machine for the first time. Like everyone here knows, the
ground roll was quick and short. The liftoff smooth and wow, this airplane
flies great. I would like to tell you how fast I was going, but my airspeed
indicator never worked (along with a few other minor things). It made for
a few interesting moments, but attitude flying worked good, until the
condensation on my windscreen made everything ahead invisible. Fortunately
the side windows stayed clear. The windscreen cleared up after about a
minute. I leveled at 1000 feet and did some turns, slow flight, and played
for about 10 more minutes then headed back for a landing. It all went
smooth considering I held used half flaps (11 degrees) and extra speed, just
to be on the safe side. I would like to say it was a perfect landing, but
it did a small 'skip' before rolling to turnoff speed. That had to be the
best half hour of flying fun in a long time.
Thanks to everyone on this list for all of your help over all these years.
I hope I can pay it forward some time. There are a lot of others to thank
for all their help and they know who they are. However, I want to
especially thank my former girlfriend, now wife, for all 14 years and 9
months of patience and support. She is the greatest!!!!
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
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| Subject: | 582 Exhaust wrap |
Pat
There would be no problem in wrapping that particular area of the pipe if
you have a concern but I would keep it to the minimum. You can also
consider a heat shield (piece of stainless steel) spaced about 1/2" away
from the exhaust and as long as there is some air flow between the shield
and the pipe you will be amazed at how this reduces heat radiation.
Hope this helps
Regards
Gary
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Gary, OK thanks for info. My heater hoses run within a couple inches of
the down pipe and muffler. I hope there is enough space between them and
the muffler.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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From: gary.algate@sandvik.com
One thing you should consider is that the exhaust system on a two stroke
engine also serves as a conductor to radiate heat away from the engine
block. Sometimes restricting the heat can lead to additional problems.
I have seen a large number of 582 installations in Kitfox aircrafts
(including my last plane) and the engine compartment heat generated by the
exhaust was never a real problem
Regards
Gary
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considering blanketing the muffler also. I have used the fiber glass tape
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Exhaust wrap |
Roger
I agree with your post and wasn't suggesting wrap couldn't be used - it's
just that wrapping the entire muffler and pipe will retain a lot of latent
heat in the engine -
Regards
Gary
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Hi Pat,
I have a Flight Design CTSW. I have a 912ULS. I have a wrapped exhaust and
so do quite a few other CT owners and it is fleet approved. My exhaust
have been wrapped for 250 hrs. I wrapped my exhaust from the exhaust port
down to the top of the muffler. It covers the knuckle just above the
muffler. This helps keep any blow-by exhaust from blowing where I don't
want it if it leaks and it keeps the radiated heat off any wires or hoses.
It cuts down on the internal cowling temps to all the parts and when I
pull the cowling off after a flight I can put my hand on the exhaust and
not get burned. Proper tension on the exhaust springs is a must and really
helps here. Our exhaust system is stainless steel and carbonization from
higher temps is not the same problem as it is with just plain steel
exhaust pipes. One thing to remember is not to over do the wrap. You only
over lap the edges by about 3/8"-1/2" with the 2" wide wrap.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | 582 Exhaust wrap |
My wife wrapped the exhaust on her 912 Pulsar and a crack developed
underneath which we were not able to detect until too late. She is lucky to
be alive.
Mike Logan
Series 5
956ML
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Reilly
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Exhaust wrap
Kitfoxers, I know I have seen the pros and cons of wrapping the exhaust with
fiber glass exhaust insulating tape to reduce engine compartment temps. But,
I wanted to hear from someone with personal experience pro or con that
wrapped an exhaust on a 582. I have wrapped the down pipe and am considering
blanketing the muffler also. I have used the fiber glass tape wrap on a
street rod with good result.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | RE: 582 Exhaust wrap |
On Mon, January 5, 2009 4:34 pm, patrick reilly wrote:
>
> Gary, OK thanks for info. My heater hoses run within a couple inches of the down
pipe
> and muffler. I hope there is enough space between them and the muffler.Pat ReillyMod
3
A reflector shield that has air blowing across it is very effective since radiative
heat transfer is proportional to the 4th power of delta T. The temperature of the
shield will be far lower than the exhaust and hence the heat transfer to the surface
of the heater hoses will be significantly reduced.
I'd have some worries about pin hole exhaust leaks forming into the fiberglass
wrap
that would convey some oil residue present in two stroke exhaust and eventually
becoming a fire hazard.
So, my feeling is fabricate some aluminum shields that are attached to the exhaust
with SS clamps where protection is desired.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - finally |
Lowell,
LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
Do Not Archive
On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Rick,
>
> Thanks for the update and congratulations. The airplane looks nice.
> Hope to be joining you soon.
>
> Lowell Fitt
> Cameron Park, CA
> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
> Currently focusing on the Left Wing cover soon.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <gary.algate@sandvik.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight - finally
>
>
> Thanks for the info on your plane Richard. I always enjoy hearing
> about
> first flights and seeing how people set up their planes.
>
> Your plane looks and sounds great.
>
> I'm a bit disillusioned at the moment as after breaking a leaf in my
> tail
> spring I have wasted hours trying to source a replacement in
> Australia or
> getting one manufactured. As soon as the local spring manufacturer
> saw it
> they recognized it as being off a plane and refuse to make one for
> me!
>
> John at Kitfox LLC is going to send one to me but the freight will
> probably end up costing me more than the price of the spring itself
> and I
> am still going to be grounded for the next week.
>
> I found a supplier who will sell me the material (SUP 9) - 6 Mtr for
> $20 -
> but I am at a bit of a loss as to whether it has to be heat-treated
> after
> its bent. I have experimented before with hardening steel at home
> and it
> either comes out like putty, or glass.......
>
> The joys of experimental flying and I swear I never landed
> hard.....................................
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 Jab 2200
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - finally |
Mike,
Thanks for the congrats. It is serial number 1 and it's always been a
taildragger. I did want a nose dragger so I started my next project,
an RV-7A. It's lots of fun so far.
Come on down to Spruce Creek while ya'll are having a 'wintery mix'.
Today was 80, but it's not always that warm. But no matter how bad it
gets here, it's always better than up there.
Show your wife our Fly-in. For the best look, Google us at Spruce
Creek Fly In or come down and visit.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Jan 5, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Michael Logan wrote:
>
> Congratulations on the nice flight and hope you have many more to
> come.
>
> Why don't you fly back north to Dogwood Airpark and convince my wife
> of how nice it is at your airpark in the land of warmth in the
> winter. I had to insulate the hangar just to make it tolerable in
> the winter time. Growing up in Georgia, I like the heat a lot
> better than the cold.
>
> Mike Logan
> Series 5
>
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| Subject: | Trailering a Kitfox |
This is to respond to 4 questions that have been asked about trailering a Kitfox.
This applies to a Model IV.
1. Forward or backward?
2. Tail raised or down?
3. How to prevent flaperons from damaging vertical stab.
4. How to protect control surfaces from fluttering.
My trailer was made by Skystar, which had just bought Kitfox during the time the
kit was produced. So I suppose someone at Kitfox put some thought into it.
It is designed to haul the plane with the tail forward, wings level.
It goes onto the trailer tail first, pulled by a winch line on the tailwheel.
The tailwheel follows a ramp up to near the front of the trailer, mains up steeper
ramps when the plane is nearly on. To design for hauling forward would be
difficult without unhitching the trailer.
Once on, the tail is raised onto a solid block support that bolts onto the tail.
That would seem to be enough to hold the plane securely without redundancy.
The winch line is left on, as additional security, with the main wheels tight
against their rear supports. The mainwheel ramps are then fastened up tight
against the front of the main wheels. There are also 2 angle iron plates to
prevent side-to-side movement of the tires. The aircraft is immobile on the trailer.
I also use motorcycle tiedowns over each side of the main gear (Grove),
one on each side to the loops provided on the trailer.
Next, I fold the wings, which is easy for one person in the level position. I
usually have burned the fuel down to < 1/2 tanks before putting the plane away
(a good excuse for more flying, if nothing else). The tops of the wing struts
are attached to tubing braces that bolt to the vertical stab. I also tie the
flaperons together with a bungee as a redundancy and to prevent them from touching
the vertical stab (which they clear when immobilized). Braces also attach
from the front spars to the extra landing gear mounting tabs.
I leave the elevators down, where gravity (and maybe wind) holds them. I put foam
pipe wrap on the rudder and run several bungees from one tubing brace around
the foam on the rudder, to the other brace, and push the rudder fully deflected
to one side. This is necessary to keep it from flapping in the breeze.
I have never towed long distances, as my hanger/barn is only about 4 miles away,
but it tows fine locally this way at legal speeds, including across a bumpy
railroad track. I am sure there are many ways to tow (and I have towed/hauled
other planes other ways), but my method is mostly influenced by the design of
the Skystar trailer. It is very stable and secure this way. I normally use
a Jeep to tow it, which does block some wind, but have used a pickup, also.
JA KF IV Speedster @ O70
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| Subject: | First Flight - finally |
Rick,
Congratulations on a safe and successful first flight!
Lloyd C
Mod 5 912ul IVO IFA
Shooting for a Spring 1st Flight
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weiss Richard
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:56 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight - finally
All,
Well, today was as near perfect as it gets. Winds calm, temperature about
70 (sorry about that to everyone north of Daytona Beach), sky was high thin
for the most part, so I decided, after 14 years and 9 months of building
time, it was time to get this bird in the air. After reading about
everyone's first flight posts, I guess I was the only guy to ever be nervous
flying their machine for the first time. Like everyone here knows, the
ground roll was quick and short. The liftoff smooth and wow, this airplane
flies great. I would like to tell you how fast I was going, but my airspeed
indicator never worked (along with a few other minor things). It made for
a few interesting moments, but attitude flying worked good, until the
condensation on my windscreen made everything ahead invisible. Fortunately
the side windows stayed clear. The windscreen cleared up after about a
minute. I leveled at 1000 feet and did some turns, slow flight, and played
for about 10 more minutes then headed back for a landing. It all went
smooth considering I held used half flaps (11 degrees) and extra speed, just
to be on the safe side. I would like to say it was a perfect landing, but
it did a small 'skip' before rolling to turnoff speed. That had to be the
best half hour of flying fun in a long time.
Thanks to everyone on this list for all of your help over all these years.
I hope I can pay it forward some time. There are a lot of others to thank
for all their help and they know who they are. However, I want to
especially thank my former girlfriend, now wife, for all 14 years and 9
months of patience and support. She is the greatest!!!!
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
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| Subject: | RE: 582 Exhaust wrap |
Paul=2C Not too sure what the 4th power of delta T is=2C but I got the idea
. Thanks for the info. I think SS shields would be better idea than wrap.Pa
t ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> Date: Mon=2C 5 Jan 2009 18:36:50 -
0800> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: 582 Exhaust wrap> From: paul@eucleides.com>
Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>> > On Mon=2C January 5=2C 2009 4:34
pm=2C patrick reilly wrote:> >> > Gary=2C OK thanks for info. My heater ho
ses run within a couple inches of the down pipe> > and muffler. I hope ther
e is enough space between them and the muffler.Pat ReillyMod 3> > A reflect
or shield that has air blowing across it is very effective since radiative>
heat transfer is proportional to the 4th power of delta T. The temperature
of the> shield will be far lower than the exhaust and hence the heat trans
fer to the surface> of the heater hoses will be significantly reduced.> > I
'd have some worries about pin hole exhaust leaks forming into the fibergla
ss wrap> that would convey some oil residue present in two stroke exhaust a
nd eventually> becoming a fire hazard.> > So=2C my feeling is fabricate som
e aluminum shields that are attached to the exhaust> with SS clamps where p
rotection is desired.> > -- > Paul A. Franz> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/
Merlin GT> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP> Bellevue WA> 425.241.1618 Cell>
================> > >
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| Subject: | RE: 582 Exhaust wrap |
On Mon, January 5, 2009 8:31 pm, patrick reilly wrote:
>
> Paul, Not too sure what the 4th power of delta T is, but I got the idea. Thanks
for
> the info. I think SS shields would be better idea than wrap.
Delta T means temperature difference. Here it would mean the temperature difference
between the exhaust and the heater hoses. The 4th power would mean that temperature
difference raised to the 4th power. In other words if the absolute temperature
difference is double, then the amount of heat transferred is 16 times as much.
It's
much worse than that though. Lets say the temperature of the exhaust pipe is 1100
F
and the water hose surface is 250 F without a shield and with a shield the outer
temperature of the shield is 400 F then the heat transfer reduction is the ratio
of
the absolute temperature differences raised to the 4th power:
((1100 - 250 + 459) / (400 - 250 + 459)) ** 4 = 21.3 times as much heat transfer
to
the hoses without the shield as with the shield. (The 459 converts F to R - Rankine,
absolute temperature)
Note this simplified model doesn't take into consideration geometry effects but
they
would only make this difference even larger since radiation from a cylinder is
inversely proportional to the square of the radius. I picked numbers to for
illustration purposes, and probably with a shield the surface of the water hoses
would
be even less than 250 F.
I think I would use shields made of some soft and malleable aluminum alloy clamping
them with SS hose clamps, keeping the space between the shield and the exhaust
pipe
sufficient to get good airflow. The aluminum would weigh less and if you use big
radii
on the bends and cuts this will resist cracking better than using SS. I would use
3/32" sheet in 6 in sections bent to wrap at about 3/4" greater radius than the
exhaust pipe with three bent down 3/4" U-shaped tabs on each end to clamp the shield
to the pipe where the shield goes around at least 180 of the exhaust pipe.
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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