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1. 02:36 AM - Re: Flight Simulator (Michel Verheughe)
2. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: sight glass fuel indicator? (Lynn Matteson)
3. 06:37 AM - Fuel flow indicator (fox5flyer)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox (Chuck Popenoe)
5. 07:34 AM - Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox (Bob Brennan)
6. 07:46 AM - Re: First Flight - finally (Patrick Best)
7. 08:23 AM - Re: Trailering a Kitfox (earnestj0)
8. 09:05 AM - Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox (Noel Loveys)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: Fuel flow indicator/skis almost done (Lynn Matteson)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox (Lynn Matteson)
11. 10:39 AM - Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox (n85ae)
12. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: Flight Simulator (Bob Brennan)
13. 11:46 AM - Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox (floran higgins)
14. 12:05 PM - Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox (Bob Brennan)
15. 12:48 PM - Re: First Flight - finally (Paul Morel)
16. 04:14 PM - Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox (akflyer)
17. 04:20 PM - Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox (floran higgins)
18. 04:55 PM - Re: Flight Simulator (akflyer)
19. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox (floran higgins)
20. 07:17 PM - Towbar (Jim Feldmann)
21. 09:17 PM - Re: First Flight - finally (Weiss Richard)
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulator |
> From: Bob Brennan [matronics@bob.brennan.name]
> Thanks Michel, that is a glowing endorsement for X-plane. Now can you fold
> the wings on your Kitfox model and trailer it backwards at different angles?
> (just kidding!)
Actually, you could. Variable geometry wings is provided. And that's the fun of
X-Plane; make all kind of crazy craft.
In 2001, with my group of virtual X-Plane pilots, I made a landsailer. (Well, actually,
I made a sailboat first, ... then moved on land! :-)
Then I organized online races. To explain how to "fly" those craft, I made a web
page:
http://home.online.no/~michel/esp/Landsailer/training.html
Funny, isn't it? It gets even funnier when you get on mountainous terrain and gravity
fights the airfoil effect.
And if you're really into weird stuff, you can try the same but using Mars atmosphere!
In fact ... you can make your own atmosphere.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: sight glass fuel indicator? |
Thanks, Paul....depth of snow? Just kidding....the F210 sounds like a
good "hole filler" for that hole in my panel where my fuel pressure
gauge used to reside (now that I've gone to gravity fuel feed)...and
beneficial, too. I may have to get one.
I would think that the F210 would work with gravity fuel flow...why
wouldn't it?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
almost done with building a new pair of snow skis
On Jan 7, 2009, at 11:42 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
>
> Depth Display
>
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel flow indicator |
It should work just fine, Lynn. The sender measures the flow through the
line. Once you become accustomed to having a fuel flow gauge, you'll never
have another airplane without one.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
Lynn scribbled:
> I would think that the F210 would work with gravity fuel flow...why
> wouldn't it?
> Lynn Matteson
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox |
Bob-
I welded up the trailer in my driveway specifically to fit the Avid --
it is a single axle with minimal spring stiffness --2 leaves. I live on
the outskirts of Wash. DC and have to trailer the bird some 50 miles
each way to Frederick Muni each time I fly to get out of the ADIZ. The
mains are secured with tire chains and the tailwheel is secured with a
specially welded up clamp. I have recently added supports for the
empennage which fasten iinto the cross tubes for towing on its own
wheels which takes all of the weight off of the tail spring. I will
attach a couple of photos, but the trailer details can best be seen
posted on the Avid Flyer list under Pops' Avid A.
Actually, while trailering, the wingtips are right behind the car's rear
window, and their movement can be observed easily. The struts that hold
the wings in the folded position will keep the wings from swinging out,
but do little to restrain their up/down movement. This is why I added
the struts down to the cross tubes to triangulate that support location.
Without the added struts, the tips would move up and down on rough
roads. Presently, the tips are absolutely fixed and no movement is
possible. Other than truck vortices, I have never observed any wind
generated movement since adding the braces.
I haven't used the front spar braces, as I don't think that do much with
my triangulated wing support taking the load. My attach point failure
occurred some 7-8 years ago, and I did a lot of thinking then to make
changes to prevent it from ever occurring again.
Pops
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| Subject: | Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox |
Hey Pops,
I really envy you guys that can make your own trailer just by "weldin'
somethin' up". I especially like the way you have mounted the lights and
license plate on the bottom side of the ramps, which are the back side of
the trailer whilst towing. Very clever. Did you have to get a VIN for the
trailer where you live?
I can't quite make out the added support struts in this picture, could you
point me to the Avid Flyer list so I can have a look at the other pictures
please?
bob
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Popenoe
Sent: 08 January 2009 9:49 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox
Bob-
I welded up the trailer in my driveway specifically to fit the Avid -- it is
a single axle with minimal spring stiffness --2 leaves. I live on the
outskirts of Wash. DC and have to trailer the bird some 50 miles each way to
Frederick Muni each time I fly to get out of the ADIZ. The mains are secured
with tire chains and the tailwheel is secured with a specially welded up
clamp. I have recently added supports for the empennage which fasten iinto
the cross tubes for towing on its own wheels which takes all of the weight
off of the tail spring. I will attach a couple of photos, but the trailer
details can best be seen posted on the Avid Flyer list under Pops' Avid A.
Actually, while trailering, the wingtips are right behind the car's rear
window, and their movement can be observed easily. The struts that hold the
wings in the folded position will keep the wings from swinging out, but do
little to restrain their up/down movement. This is why I added the struts
down to the cross tubes to triangulate that support location. Without the
added struts, the tips would move up and down on rough roads. Presently, the
tips are absolutely fixed and no movement is possible. Other than truck
vortices, I have never observed any wind generated movement since adding the
braces.
I haven't used the front spar braces, as I don't think that do much with my
triangulated wing support taking the load. My attach point failure occurred
some 7-8 years ago, and I did a lot of thinking then to make changes to
prevent it from ever occurring again.
Pops
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| Subject: | First Flight - finally |
Thanks for your responses to my question!
It makes good training sense too.
-PB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: January 7, 2009 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight - finally
I agree....at one point in my training (in my Kitfox) my instructor reached over
and covered the ASI, and told me to land, which I did because by then it was
registered in the seat of my pants just how the plane should feel when it is
at the right speed to land.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Jan 7, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Weiss Richard wrote:
>
> On Jan 6, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Patrick Best wrote:
>
>> So you continued to fly test manoeuvres despite a lack of airspeed
>> indication?
>
> Yes. The maneuvers were necessary to return to the airport and land
> anyway. (Turns, slow flight, etc.)
>
> Lack of an airspeed indicator is not the end of the world. Just had
> to look outside at the wingtip and see the angle it made with the
> horizon. Also, your senses come into play. Air noise levels, seat of
> the pants, visual cues, engine sound, etc. It really was a non issue.
>
> You're in the air, flying fine, and you know you have to return to
> earth. What would you do differently?
>
> Rick Weiss
> N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
> SkyStar S/N 1
> Port Orange, FL
>
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a Kitfox |
Hi All, Good discussion of trailering. I modified a boat trailer also to tow
my Vixen. I live about 2 miles from the airport and keep the plane mostly in
my garage. I also have towed it from California and to North Idaho several times
at 60-65 mpg with no problems at all. It is of course braced with the towing
kit from Kitfox and is supported just in front of the makeshift tail wheel
(homemade) at the tube going into the fuse. I can get the fox off and on the
trailer by myself and ready to fly in about 30 minutes. The wings are at about
a 10-15 degree angle, but I do tow with a pickup with a cap, so not much wind
hits the wing tips. Sorry I don't have any pictures at this time, but will
post some later (Plane trapped in a hangar with snow presently). Thanks for
all the good discussions.
Ted
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| Subject: | Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox |
On my trailer I folded the ramps all the way back to touch the tires and
them in place. A good cou0poe of good size blocks to guide the wheels in
place and the ramps to lock them down is all the front end ever needs.
Now I have a welder I'm thinking of welding up a ramp to take my tail wheel.
But I'll design an empennage support into it. I'll probably still tie the
tail wheel three ways for security. All I have to do is figure out when
I'll have the plane off floats again.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Popenoe
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox
Bob-
I welded up the trailer in my driveway specifically to fit the Avid -- it is
a single axle with minimal spring stiffness --2 leaves. I live on the
outskirts of Wash. DC and have to trailer the bird some 50 miles each way to
Frederick Muni each time I fly to get out of the ADIZ. The mains are secured
with tire chains and the tailwheel is secured with a specially welded up
clamp. I have recently added supports for the empennage which fasten iinto
the cross tubes for towing on its own wheels which takes all of the weight
off of the tail spring. I will attach a couple of photos, but the trailer
details can best be seen posted on the Avid Flyer list under Pops' Avid A.
Actually, while trailering, the wingtips are right behind the car's rear
window, and their movement can be observed easily. The struts that hold the
wings in the folded position will keep the wings from swinging out, but do
little to restrain their up/down movement. This is why I added the struts
down to the cross tubes to triangulate that support location. Without the
added struts, the tips would move up and down on rough roads. Presently, the
tips are absolutely fixed and no movement is possible. Other than truck
vortices, I have never observed any wind generated movement since adding the
braces.
I haven't used the front spar braces, as I don't think that do much with my
triangulated wing support taking the load. My attach point failure occurred
some 7-8 years ago, and I did a lot of thinking then to make changes to
prevent it from ever occurring again.
Pops
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow indicator/skis almost done |
We'll see in 5-10 working days....it has been ordered. I'll install
it on the first warm day after it arrives.
By the way, Deke, and any interested parties, I'm cutting the bottoms
for my skis right now, and they should go on in a few days. Most all
the welding is done, but I still have to add some outrigger tabs to
secure the HDPE bottoms. The weather calls for several different snow
events, so maybe we'll get what the skis need. Sorry about that,
Deke. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Jan 8, 2009, at 9:35 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> It should work just fine, Lynn. The sender measures the flow
> through the line. Once you become accustomed to having a fuel
> flow gauge, you'll never have another airplane without one.
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
> Lynn scribbled:
>> I would think that the F210 would work with gravity fuel
>> flow...why wouldn't it?
>> Lynn Matteson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox |
I made ramps for the mains, which hinge down, and are pinned in place
when the plane is on board. I built a separate ramp for the
tailwheel, and it is pinned to the trailer when not in use. To load,
I pin the ramp in place attaching it to the center channel, then
winch the tailwheel up the center ramp and toward the front of the
trailer.
One word of warning: I built my trailer while I was waiting for my
engine to arrive. I thought I was making a trailer that would be
suitable for various width planes, but with the engine installed, the
landing gear got a little wider, and barely fits now...about a 1/4"
to spare on the outside of each tire.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
On Jan 8, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> On my trailer I folded the ramps all the way back to touch the
> tires and them in place. A good cou0poe of good size blocks to
> guide the wheels in place and the ramps to lock them down is all
> the front end ever needs.
>
>
> Now I have a welder I=92m thinking of welding up a ramp to take my
> tail wheel. But I=92ll design an empennage support into it. I=92ll
> probably still tie the tail wheel three ways for security. All I
> have to do is figure out when I=92ll have the plane off floats again.
>
>
> Noel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox |
matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote:
>
> I really envy you guys that can make your own trailer just by "weldin' somethin'
up". I especially like the way you have mounted the lights and license
plate on the bottom side of the ramps, which are the back side of the trailer
whilst towing. Very clever. Did you have to get a VIN for the trailer where
you live?
>
I bought a Mig welder, chop saw, and an angle grinder when I needed a
trailer. I've built two now. It's dead simple, and kind of like making stuff
with a big hot glue gun. Of course I spent a lot of evenings practicing
welding after I got the welder first. :)
Registration in Illinois, is as easy as walking in the sec state office filling
out a homebuilt trailer form, writing a check, and leaving. Last one I
think I was in and out in less than 10 minutes.
Regards, Jeff
Kitfox 5, IO-240B
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulator |
Problem solved!
The "expert" from M$ spent about a half hour with me on the phone and had no
idea what was wrong except that he thought it must be the video card
installation. I was promised another "escalation" but that won't be
necessary now.
I called the good people at BFG Nvidea and described my setup - the tech
said immediately that the motherboard chipset I was replacing and the card I
bought both run on the PCI bus, and that 2-3 frames per second was the best
I could expect over a PCI bus. We explored a bit and found I have PCI
express (never heard of it!) available so I returned the PCI card for a PCIe
card, more features and $40 cheaper(!), and installed it.
Now at default settings I get 30 fps and at Ulta-high and everything turned
on I get a hardly noticeable drop to 15 fps. Finally, I can fly!
Thanks to all who chipped in to help and hopefully this will help anyone
else wanting to use FSX - be sure your PC supports PCI "express"
Can't wait to try X-Plane on the new card!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: 07 January 2009 6:32 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flight Simulator
I was referring to your RAM sticks... Sometimes different sizes and speeds
of chips appear magically in the ram slots. Having different sizes ,speeds
etc can slow down a computer.
Perhaps you should run the possibility of removing the onboard video from
control panel past the people at Micro Soft... It is possible the onboard
and the NVidia are having a tug of war for every frame.
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox |
There is a local pilot that trailered an Avid down from Alaska.
He did not use the support tubes from the leading edge spar to the lower
wing strut attachment.
He completely destroyed the fuselage center section where the rear strut
attaches.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Popenoe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox
Bob-
I welded up the trailer in my driveway specifically to fit the Avid --
it is a single axle with minimal spring stiffness --2 leaves. I live on
the outskirts of Wash. DC and have to trailer the bird some 50 miles
each way to Frederick Muni each time I fly to get out of the ADIZ. The
mains are secured with tire chains and the tailwheel is secured with a
specially welded up clamp. I have recently added supports for the
empennage which fasten iinto the cross tubes for towing on its own
wheels which takes all of the weight off of the tail spring. I will
attach a couple of photos, but the trailer details can best be seen
posted on the Avid Flyer list under Pops' Avid A.
Actually, while trailering, the wingtips are right behind the car's
rear window, and their movement can be observed easily. The struts that
hold the wings in the folded position will keep the wings from swinging
out, but do little to restrain their up/down movement. This is why I
added the struts down to the cross tubes to triangulate that support
location. Without the added struts, the tips would move up and down on
rough roads. Presently, the tips are absolutely fixed and no movement is
possible. Other than truck vortices, I have never observed any wind
generated movement since adding the braces.
I haven't used the front spar braces, as I don't think that do much
with my triangulated wing support taking the load. My attach point
failure occurred some 7-8 years ago, and I did a lot of thinking then to
make changes to prevent it from ever occurring again.
Pops
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| Subject: | Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox |
Floran,
Could you elaborate on "completely destroyed" and give any details as to how
the plane was being trailered? I think everyone on this list agrees you can
seriously damage a Kitfox by trailering it, we just don't agree on the
details of how *not* to damage it. Any and all real information is welcome
here.
Thanks,
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of floran higgins
Sent: 08 January 2009 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox
There is a local pilot that trailered an Avid down from Alaska.
He did not use the support tubes from the leading edge spar to the lower
wing strut attachment.
He completely destroyed the fuselage center section where the rear strut
attaches.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Popenoe <mailto:cpops@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox
Bob-
I welded up the trailer in my driveway specifically to fit the Avid -- it is
a single axle with minimal spring stiffness --2 leaves. I live on the
outskirts of Wash. DC and have to trailer the bird some 50 miles each way to
Frederick Muni each time I fly to get out of the ADIZ. The mains are secured
with tire chains and the tailwheel is secured with a specially welded up
clamp. I have recently added supports for the empennage which fasten iinto
the cross tubes for towing on its own wheels which takes all of the weight
off of the tail spring. I will attach a couple of photos, but the trailer
details can best be seen posted on the Avid Flyer list under Pops' Avid A.
Actually, while trailering, the wingtips are right behind the car's rear
window, and their movement can be observed easily. The struts that hold the
wings in the folded position will keep the wings from swinging out, but do
little to restrain their up/down movement. This is why I added the struts
down to the cross tubes to triangulate that support location. Without the
added struts, the tips would move up and down on rough roads. Presently, the
tips are absolutely fixed and no movement is possible. Other than truck
vortices, I have never observed any wind generated movement since adding the
braces.
I haven't used the front spar braces, as I don't think that do much with my
triangulated wing support taking the load. My attach point failure occurred
some 7-8 years ago, and I did a lot of thinking then to make changes to
prevent it from ever occurring again.
Pops
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - finally |
Rick
Nice job! I really like the paint scheme. Reminds me of an airline I
used to work for ;-)
Paul Morel
912 Speedster
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Crowder
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:34 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: First Flight - finally
Rick,
Congratulations on a great first flight. That condensation on the
windscreen would have given me a scare. I've had that happen in cars
when passengers had wet clothes and outside temps were low. As to your
weight, I piled everything not installed on board my Fox as close as
possible to where it will be installed and weighed my Model 5 a couple
of weeks ago, and my weight came out very close to yours. When I read
yours, I looked on my desk to check mine, but my weight and balance
calculation is apparently at the hangar. In any case my memory tells me
we are probably within ten pounds.
It sounds like you took everything in stride and pulled it off
wonderfully. Great going.
Jim Crowder
Model 5
Installing 3300A Jabiru
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weiss
Richard
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:56 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight - finally
All,
Well, today was as near perfect as it gets. Winds calm, temperature
about 70 (sorry about that to everyone north of Daytona Beach), sky was
high thin for the most part, so I decided, after 14 years and 9 months
of building time, it was time to get this bird in the air. After
reading about everyone's first flight posts, I guess I was the only guy
to ever be nervous flying their machine for the first time. Like
everyone here knows, the ground roll was quick and short. The liftoff
smooth and wow, this airplane flies great. I would like to tell you how
fast I was going, but my airspeed indicator never worked (along with a
few other minor things). It made for a few interesting moments, but
attitude flying worked good, until the condensation on my windscreen
made everything ahead invisible. Fortunately the side windows stayed
clear. The windscreen cleared up after about a minute. I leveled at
1000 feet and did some turns, slow flight, and played for about 10 more
minutes then headed back for a landing. It all went smooth considering
I held used half flaps (11 degrees) and extra speed, just to be on the
safe side. I would like to say it was a perfect landing, but it did a
small 'skip' before rolling to turnoff speed. That had to be the best
half hour of flying fun in a long time.
Thanks to everyone on this list for all of your help over all these
years. I hope I can pay it forward some time. There are a lot of
others to thank for all their help and they know who they are. However,
I want to especially thank my former girlfriend, now wife, for all 14
years and 9 months of patience and support. She is the greatest!!!!
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox |
hmm.. My brother trailered his from OK to AK and didnt hurt anything. He had the
trailer loaded down pretty good so the suspension was actually working to some
degree. I think alot of issues are trailering long distances on an equipment
trailer that is rated for 8-10,000# and only putting 600# on it. All the
shock goes straight to the plane.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox |
I don't have any infromation on what kind of a trailer he used or how he
had it tied down.
The rear carry through structure that the rear spar attaches to was
completely tore apart. They have been working to repair it for over two
years and arn't complety finished yet.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912 ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Brennan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox
Floran,
Could you elaborate on "completely destroyed" and give any details as
to how the plane was being trailered? I think everyone on this list
agrees you can seriously damage a Kitfox by trailering it, we just don't
agree on the details of how *not* to damage it. Any and all real
information is welcome here.
Thanks,
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of floran
higgins
Sent: 08 January 2009 2:43 pm
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox
There is a local pilot that trailered an Avid down from Alaska.
He did not use the support tubes from the leading edge spar to the
lower wing strut attachment.
He completely destroyed the fuselage center section where the rear
strut attaches.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Popenoe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox
Bob-
I welded up the trailer in my driveway specifically to fit the Avid
-- it is a single axle with minimal spring stiffness --2 leaves. I live
on the outskirts of Wash. DC and have to trailer the bird some 50 miles
each way to Frederick Muni each time I fly to get out of the ADIZ. The
mains are secured with tire chains and the tailwheel is secured with a
specially welded up clamp. I have recently added supports for the
empennage which fasten iinto the cross tubes for towing on its own
wheels which takes all of the weight off of the tail spring. I will
attach a couple of photos, but the trailer details can best be seen
posted on the Avid Flyer list under Pops' Avid A.
Actually, while trailering, the wingtips are right behind the car's
rear window, and their movement can be observed easily. The struts that
hold the wings in the folded position will keep the wings from swinging
out, but do little to restrain their up/down movement. This is why I
added the struts down to the cross tubes to triangulate that support
location. Without the added struts, the tips would move up and down on
rough roads. Presently, the tips are absolutely fixed and no movement is
possible. Other than truck vortices, I have never observed any wind
generated movement since adding the braces.
I haven't used the front spar braces, as I don't think that do much
with my triangulated wing support taking the load. My attach point
failure occurred some 7-8 years ago, and I did a lot of thinking then to
make changes to prevent it from ever occurring again.
Pops
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulator |
[quote="patreilly43(at)hotmail.co"]Lenoard C I am considering buying the MS2004
Simulator on recommendation of a friend. He said it takes a very powerful computer
to run the X and he says his 2004 suits him just fine. Are you satisfied
with yours? What joy stick would you recommend and someone mentioned rudder pedals.
I didn't know you could use rudder pedals with a simulator. Of course the
last simulator I tried was on a Tandy computer.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flight Simulator
> From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed C 7 Jan 2009 16:42:20 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I have 2004 also. Whats your question and I MAY be of some use lol..
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223457#223457
>
>
>
> ======================
>
>
>
>
>
> > [b]
>
I did not see much difference in the flight models betweenthe two. The most notable
difference is in the scenery. FS 2004 (or FS9) will suit most peopel who
just want to fly and not look at the scenery.. If I want to see what the country
side really looks like I jump in the plane. The scenery for my area of Alaska
has not improved much since the old sim on apple computers showing stick
figures for trees.
I use the Saitec X52 joy stick and throttle and CH pro USB rudder pedals.
You can get a yoke and throttle set up for about the same price as the X52, and
you dont have to try and remember what you programed all the little buttons for.
I prefer a stick to the yolk, but that is just personal preference.
Some people have gone totaly nutts with flight siming, and have built scale F16
cockpits that you sit in and have all instruments functioning right down to the
G suit and helmet.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox |
I think that this fellows problem was caused because he did not have the
brace on the leading edge spars.
I trailered my speedster from Victorville Ca. to Helena, Mt. on a 20 ft
snowmobile trailer. I had everything properly braced and tied down and
didn't have any problems.
Floran Higgins
Speedster 912 ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox
>
> hmm.. My brother trailered his from OK to AK and didnt hurt anything. He
> had the trailer loaded down pretty good so the suspension was actually
> working to some degree. I think alot of issues are trailering long
> distances on an equipment trailer that is rated for 8-10,000# and only
> putting 600# on it. All the shock goes straight to the plane.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=223619#223619
>
>
>
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I have the complete Kitfox factory towbar setup, with all braces and clip-on tail-lights.
I will never use it. If you can, make me a reasonable offer. The
towbar is in Florida, the rest of the package will be shipped from California.
--------
Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner
1994 Kitfox Speedster / 912
Flying
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - finally |
Paul,
Thanks. If your airliner had a widget in the logo, you win the
prize. Glad you noticed. It took a few weeks to do.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Jan 8, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Paul Morel wrote:
> Rick
> Nice job! I really like the paint scheme. Reminds me of an airline
> I used to work for ;-)
> Paul Morel
> 912 Speedster
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